From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #421 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 421 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Linda Thompson tour/article in today's paper [NJC] [Richard Goldman <] ALERT!!!! Re: Linda Thompson tour/article in today's paper [NJC] [Richard] Re: chat njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Linda Thompson tour/article in today's paper [NJC] [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: New Y0rk Tendaberry NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Seasonal Joni [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: Seasonal Joni [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Carly -njc [Bruce Kimerer ] NJC standards thread story [James Phillips ] Re: joni only - self absorption [Engwall57@aol.com] new joni traditions ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Carly -njc [colin ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Pazfest CDs [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but not much) [BigWaltin] Quick question about Joni books on Amazon.com [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] 31 Blue Years ["J.David Sapp" ] Bush DISGUSTS me!!!(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Seasonal Joni [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but n... [FMYF] re: powering up the "electricity" thread ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Seasonal ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) [David Sadowski ] Re: new joni traditions ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) [dsk ] Re: Fixin' Transcriptions [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] the joys of baseball NJC [dsk ] Re: the joys of baseball NJC ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: the joys of baseball NJC ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: the joys of baseball NJC [colin ] Re: the joys of baseball NJC [vince ] Re: the joys of baseball NJC [dsk ] Re: the joys of baseball [vince ] Apologies to Joni Onlies [vince ] Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: the joys of baseball NJC [colin ] Re: the joys of baseball NJC [colin ] Re: the joys of baseball [colin ] miscellaneous music morsels [anne@sandstrom.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:51:23 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Linda Thompson tour/article in today's paper [NJC] If I were you, I wouldn't miss this show for almost anything. Linda is a such a treasure, her voice, her sensibility, her love, her sweetness... all shine through her voice and song. Teddy's opening set, divine. And to see her between both her kids, singing for so long, so much music... I am not 'giving away' anything about the show, because you HAVE to go. It was up there in the top 10 (or maybe 5) of all-time music shows I have been to, even with their 'spare' budget and touring (they DO have a bus though ...), it was simply super-fabulous. And of course meeting and talking to her and Teddy afterwards was delicious. She will be on KCRW in YOUR town in the morning: 11:15 AM Pacific Time (which STREAMS on the web at http://www.kcrw.org LIVE ) on Morning Becomes Ecclectic, which is why they left SF so early (1 am here) and are driving all into Morning Becomes Rush Hour Clog Up, to be sure and get to the station early. Enjoy! Richard At 6:49 PM -0700 10/10/02, kakki wrote: >Wow thanks Richard! > >I have a client event tomorrow night ;-( but maybe I can catch it anyway >since most of the shows here start real late! > >Kakki > >NP: Bryan Thomas Band - Black Crow live at Pazfest - oh my GAWD! > >> kakki, >> The Troupador show Friday (tomorrow!) is *so* *NOT* soldout! >> Go! >> Get your tickets on TicketMaster: >> Here's the link. >> >https://ticketing.ticketmaster.com/cgi/purchasePage.asp?event_id=900351CDB80 >8F55&artistid=835681&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=52 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:12:10 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: ALERT!!!! Re: Linda Thompson tour/article in today's paper [NJC] WHOA! THe show at the Troupador isn't until SATURDAY night ..... *NOT* Friday. My bad! ....... Saturday October 12!! and on Sunday Santa Monica, CA McCabe's Guitar Shop Sorry for the confusion and HOPE YOU CAN GO! Richard .... At 6:49 PM -0700 10/10/02, kakki wrote: >Wow thanks Richard! > >I have a client event tomorrow night ;-( but maybe I can catch it anyway >since most of the shows here start real late! > >Kakki > >NP: Bryan Thomas Band - Black Crow live at Pazfest - oh my GAWD! > >> kakki, >> The Troupador show Friday (tomorrow!) is *so* *NOT* soldout! >> Go! >> Get your tickets on TicketMaster: >> Here's the link. >> >https://ticketing.ticketmaster.com/cgi/purchasePage.asp?event_id=900351CDB80 >8F55&artistid=835681&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=52 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:23:27 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: chat njc In a message dated 10/10/02 11:55:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Rose? Rose who? > now I'm feeling even more depressed perhaps I should run away from home and join the Greasy Lake (Bruce forum), but they already have a Rosey. waaaahhhh....... ~rose stuck in the swamps of Jersey with them post Bruce tailgate party blues ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:59:21 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Linda Thompson tour/article in today's paper [NJC] November 10th is in my diary; I was umming and ah-ing as to whether to go, but then I thought sod it, I'll be kicking myself for the rest of my days if I don't go. I was certainly reassured when I heard the album - her voice sounds amazingly strong considering what she's been through. Azeem in London NP: Beth Orton - Daybreaker - Like her last album, this starts off fantastically, dips a bit in the middle, then delivers a big sucker punch with the last song ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:32:57 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: New Y0rk Tendaberry NJC Actually, I was talking about Laura Nyro's cover of "Up on the Roof" and not Joni MItchell. But, I can't really see his music superior,,well, Fire and Rain is quite powerful, as we all no, but I wasnt trashing Mr. Taylor mind you. I just didnt like his version of the aforementioned song. That is all. BLair NP:My Secret Place-Our lady of Mitchell >Blair wrote: > > I had heard James Tayler's version, > > that I thought was lame. > >I thought it was incomparable and find some of Taylor's music superior to >much of Mitchell's. > >mack _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:25:33 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: Seasonal Joni hi everyone. i love this thread. my strangest seasonal joni association is "hejira," which for me will always be a *summer* album. i know, i know, despite the wintry cover and the chilly emotional tone and "thaw out or freeze"...but i discovered hejira right when i needed it, which happened to be the beginning of a long, hot, airconditionerless summer in brooklyn--when i'd left a man i had been living with for a while and moved, heartbroken, to a great apartment in a wonderful old school brooklyn neighborhood, fort greene. hejira got me to come out swinging again--i would play it on my crappy discman as i walked through fort greene park, and on the D/Q train stuck over the manhattan bridge, and on my tiny player in the kitchen, as i figured out all the joys of cooking for one again! "song for sharon," especially, that new york song, was like a gift joni had wrapped up and sent to me--honestly!--RIGHT when i needed it. so, despite all the iceskating visuals, for me hejira will always conjure summer--and brooklyn. and a tough but strengthening time. actually, though, because hejira was written on a long, lone cross country road trip--maybe i'm justified in the summer association-- don't know when joni took hers, but all of my own long road trips have come in the summer (and, of course, were ALSO airconditioner-less!) - -- emily, in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:46:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Joni <> Great post, Emily...(don't worry, I'll not make any 'Emily Post' remarks! ; ~D) Hejira covers all 4 seasons for me...Four Seasons in 1 day, if you will: She doesn't specifically reference seasons - except for the skaters on Wollman Rink - and the June calendar in that service station (and you don't really know if it's current) - and those beautiful "white flags of winter chimneys", but lordy the images are SO vivid in these songs, they evoke feelings of spring/summer/fall/winter...one of the many reasons why there's never been another record like this one for me. By anyone. Ever. Bob NP: Elvis Costello/Brian Eno, "My Dark Life" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I was 16 years old, a teenager with an unusual musical bent that liked rock n roll, blues rock, soul and folk. I was at an older friend (he was in his 60's maybe I'll touch on this in my website sometime or another) of mine's house who had *a lot* of cd's lp's etc. I was over there visiting and he happened to play something I never heard that made my ears perk up. I *had to know* what was playing, as it was wonderful. To my suprise, it was Natalie Cole's just released album "Unforgettable". I knew who Natalie was, but never heard her sing that kind of music before. I told him how I liked it, that it was a good different. He then played one of Linda Ronstadt's album of standards, and I was hooked. Well then the first album that I bought was not those, but Rickie Lee Jones' 1991 release Pop Pop. Soon after that I ordered an import cd of her Girl at her volcano album. I finally recently bought Natalie's Unforgettable cd (I had bought Take a look and her other 90's albums save for the Holly and Ivy album which I plan on getting tonight). It took my back to that pleasent discovery I made. James "We come to the river, we'll walk away from all this now, We come to the water, we'll walk away from all this now" Rickie Lee Jones "Flying Cowboys" http://www.geocities.com/thebleachboi/home.html - ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:10:03 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption To me listening to only Joni would be like living off a diet of only pate de foi gras (spelling) and chocolate eclairs. What I like is reading interviews with her to see what music she listens to and then checking it out. I was pleasantly surprised in one interview to see a lot of songs listed that I also liked. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:10:20 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: new joni traditions >Subject: Seasonal Joni Selections >For me, Miles of Aisles is the perfect first day of spring album. Driving >around in the car, with the windows down, and MOA cranked to the max - > >it's an annual ritual for me >Jack This is beautiful Jack. . . I love the idea of starting some new and meaningful traditions. . . especially those centered around the eqinox and solstices. (many of the present traditions don't always cut it enough for me.) But I could go for this one, first day of spring. . . Remind me. And then maybe we can all do it. . . roll down our windows . . . play Miles of Aisles. . . it could be like some kind of harmonic convergence. . . :) Even joni friends in different parts of the world can roll down their windows on March 20 or 21 (?) . . sorry if it may be cold. . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:30:41 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Carly -njc Carly has anew album out shortly of Xmas songs. and also a new Anthology form Rhino. Her last album, The Bedroom Tapes is now back in her ownership after her fight with Arista. It will be re released as a double cd and called When Manhatten Was A Maiden which was the original title till arista forced 'The Bedroom Tapes' upon her. There was recently a 2 hour interview with on Radio 2. I was appaled how the new cheeeses at Arista treated her. It seems she will now relaese her own work. Hope a new self penned album will not be too far awya. Her voice is still amazing. I always thought when young that it sounded much older. Now it seems to fit. It covers a range I ceratinly can't-she often sings far deepr notes than i can hit. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:23:41 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:45:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: song to a seagull >song to a >seagull.. >maybe its will always have a special hold on me as it was my first >introduction to joni...many power of moons ago when i was a young >girl...i >think it is also a perfect summer changing to autumn album... Kate. . . it sounds like you might be starting the summer into fall tradition. . . (which you posted first, and I inadvertantly left this out of my first seasonal traditon remark. . . scuse me, a little disheveled in my reading here). Let's listen to STAS every summer into fall equinox. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:30:05 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: Pazfest CDs Michael, the Pazfest CDs have arrived! In fact they arrived incredibly early, I think you sent them on Saturday and they were here in London waiting for me on Wednesday when I came home from work. I did not have time to listen that day so I listened yesterday and I LOVE them! Even my teenage son was intrigued! (To Joni-onlies: these are Joni covers so this is Joni content, right? Do tell me if I'm wrong!) I really admire each and every person on the recording, but just to mention a few: Jack Neilson - pity only one song but a great reminder what a beautiful voice the man has - I feel so proud he joined us at Jonifest! Kim Prevost/Bill Salley: I love that jazzy version of BSN! Denise Marie Band: great, just great! (but then I want to say that about everybody else too...) you, Michael, with your pals, doing beautiful talented versions of some of my favourite songs (Amelia, Hejira)! Bryan Thomas - well what can I say? I'm still drooling since Blue Moon - I hope his wife remembers the deal I did with her! (just appreciating talent, of course :-) ) In other words: thank you so much for this wonderful CD set! And congratulations to Frida for the excellent artwork! Rushing home now to listen again! Lieve. _____________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:06:50 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but not much) Hi, Bob (and all), My "easy reading" version of comfort food is to read usually re-read) one of Robert M. Parker's "Spenser" (detective) novels. (If you're not immediately familiar with the books, he's a fun, quick read, and the characters feel like family after 30 years of these books; also, in the '80's there was a TV show named "Spenser for Hire" starring Robert Urich, if anyone cares or remembers; also, if there are Jonilistas who are also Trekkies, Avery Brooks played Hawk. Anyhoo, Spenser is always quoting Shakespeare, Shelley, Byron, you name it, but at one point in Sudden Mischief [itself a literary reference to *Edmund* Spenser's "The Fairie Queen" (ahem), in which someone says "Be well aware," quoth then the Ladie milde,/"Least suddaine mischiefe ye too rash provoke"], Spenser mutters "Don't it always seem to go." Surely seems like a Joni reference to me, but I don't know whether the expression originated with her, or whether she merely made it popular (anybody know?). I also know that Janet Jackson used a loop of Joni's original Big Yellow Taxi, with her permission, in a song a coupla years back. So, in case you want it, Smurph, there it is. On page 185 of Parker's "Sudden Mischief", published by G. P. Putnams's Sons, New York, Copyright 1998 by Robert B. Parker. Ciao, Smurfino, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:15:19 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Quick question about Joni books on Amazon.com Hi again, gang Someone gave me a gift certificate for amazon.com a while back, so naturally i went there, and found a fair amount of Joni stuff -- but there was a confusing thing -- I want to buy that book which has all of her lyrics and poetry -- but there were two listed with similar names, one dated 1997, which I suspect is the real deal, and one dated 1999, which I suspect isn't. Should I go with the '97 dealy? What might the the '99 book be? A typo? A rip-off/illegal copy? Or was there an updated version published after TtT came out? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:35:43 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: 31 Blue Years brian - i always heard this metaphorically, i.e. marry, not in a legal sense, me or hold me here (anchor me) or let me go (or let me sail away). giving her paramour the power to decide. stunnig songwriting. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:25:26 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Bush DISGUSTS me!!!(NJC) I don't know if I have ever had such negative feelings towards any person in my life...Hate is not in my vocabulary and I think it's a terrible word to use about another person but it comes close to my feelings about Bush.I try to be open minded and I like most people,but Bush is just dispicable.If we go to war with Iraq it will cause ALOT more problems then it solves. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:37:07 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Joni Thanks for sharing your beautiful Hejira memories. I Have similar feelings about Hejira--side 1 is very much a winter theme, and side two is all about spring and summer. And Song for Sharon is a New York classic to me (same for Harry's House). Spring Along the Ditches, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:46:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but n... Big Walt writes: > "Don't it always seem to go." Surely seems like a Joni > reference to me, but I don't know whether the expression originated with > her, > or whether she merely made it popular (anybody know?). I have heard the expression "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till you have to drag it up three flights of stairs." but that was probably after Joni :~) Jimmy Time flies like an eagle. Fruit flies like a banana. - -- Groucho Marx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:54:35 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: powering up the "electricity" thread Susan wrote: <> I received a few replies at the time, but they were all off the list. Come on you guys! Don't be so shy! :) << I am still interested in hearing if others hear Joni in other artists as well and pointing out those similarities.>> Disclaimer: The following is pure speculation on my part. As a child, I was forced to listen to John Denver because my father was an obsessed fan (what's that?). I used to think whoever wrote "The Wedding Song" copied the melody from Denver's "Rhymes and Reasons". It wasn't until I discovered Joni Mitchell some years later that I realized "Cactus Tree" also has similar melody. "Cactus Tree" was written a year before "Rhymes and Reasons". Coincidence? Time of Man? Or did Denver think he could get away with this, thinking Joni as a woman would never make it bigtime? Shame on me for thinking this. After looking at the lyrics again, I now think he wrote this song for Joni. 'So you speak to me of sadness and the coming of the winter' - (Joni's early work was indeed sad and many songs were about the winter like "Urge for Going", "Winter Lady", etc..) 'Fear that is within you now that seems to never end' - (Joni's 'fear is like a wilderland' from "I Think I Understand") 'And the dreams that have escaped you' - (Joni's 'my dreams with the seagulls fly out of reach, out of cry') 'Though the cities start to crumble and the towers fall around us' -(Joni's 'But sand castles crumble') I've noticed other similarities in Denver's early works like "Sunshine On My Shoulders" - the melody for these particular title lyrics go up and down like Joni's 'with sun on my shoulders'. Also with Denver's "Eagle and the Hawk" 'and all who believe in me share in the freedom I feel when I fly' compared to Joni's 'share in the freedom of all flying things'. There are others, but this is just from the top of my head. Phoebe Snow's "Poetry Man" makes me think of Joni's "He Comes For Conversation". Fleetwood Mac's "Tell Me Lies" makes me think of Joni's "The Last Time I Saw Richard". I've also heard similarities in Heart and Steven Tyler's work, but the songs escape my memory right now. What about the reverse? Can anyone think of any songs Joni has written that might parallel an earlier song by another artist? I've always wondered if "Borderline" was inspired by David Crosby's "Tracks in the Dust" (great song) and if Crosby is her 'opinionated friend'? Mia NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers -"Falling Into Grace" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:54:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Quick question about Joni books on Amazon.com <> Yes, Walt, the book was re-released in a revised printing after TTT to add those lyrics. Hopefully they will have to revise it again after her next release of NEW SONGS! :~) The real pisser was that the JMDL sent them lots of corrections, and they didn't make any of them! Bob NP: Gene Allison, "Reap What You Sow" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Anyway, to answer your question, the most BLATANT one would have to be the parallel between her "Wizard Of Is" and Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne". Much more than just similar! I've also heard "Shiny Toys" as a parallel/influenced by "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da" from the Police, which she admitted to loving at the time. Has the same shuffle syncopated sound and guitar textures, to my ears anyway. Bob NP: Jimmie Liggins, "Boogie Woogie King" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Erica _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:30:29 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Re: Seasonal Ken wrote: Any other listers care to weigh in with their seasonal or environmental associations? FTR is all summer to me, for a couple reasons. When my daughter was first born (in a New England June heatwave) the only way she would sleep was if I had her in the sling and paced around the front lawn singing "For The Roses", it's forever branded into my memory like that. But in general the entire album is summery to me, Barangrill, See You Sometime, Judgement of the Moon and Stars, all remind me of warm breezes thru summer screen doors, twilights at 8pm and open blue skies. Hejira, all winter, I think I am influenced by the cover motif and the serveral references to winter made in the lyrics. But the whole feeling of the album is winter, several songs make me think of shifting pond ice, frosted rooftops, silent snowfalls. Coyote is like the beginning of winter, being in denial of the cold's decent and wanting one last hoorah..all the songs that follow are the dead of winter, until Refuge, the entire song is like the feeling of spring on the horizon, the trickling of melting snow forming tiny streams. Ok enough out of me! I could go on, I am a big association person, songs and memories go hand in hand, they always bring me back to somewhere or someone. Erica NP: Talk To Me _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:30:25 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) Thank you, Erica, and all of you who have contacted me and are thinking of me during this strangest of times. I'm handling it okay, I think, not panicking but staying vigilant and watching rooftops and thickets of trees when I drive. My cell phone is within immediate reach so I can call 911 if I see something. I haven't loaded my pistol although I do still think about it, realizing of course that it won't do me much good if the guy is 100 yards away with something that shoots .223 rounds with such great accuracy and velocity. I run/walk two days a week in my neighborhood but have taken Connecticut Avenue off my route since it's a main road and that seems to be one of the hunter's favorite playgrounds. It's VERY weird to watch the national coverage of this and see "my" gas stations, stores, and streets flickering on the television. It's also distressing as hell, because all of this is interesting tabloid fodder for the rest of the country and the world, but this is MY community, my backyard, and these are my neighbors. I'm angry that the media plays with it like they do - was it Tuesday night that Dateline NBC did a whole hour called "Seven Days of Terror"? Surreal fuel for this madman's fire. Thanks, NBC. Thanks to all of the media. Thanks a whole fucking lot. Nevertheless, I'm not going live my everyday life in fear. If I do that, the sniper wins. So I'll alter my routine a little bit and trust and hope that he'll make an error and be caught soon. Every new shooting does increase the anxiety of everyone who lives here, but what else can we do? Love to all of you ... Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:59:32 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) Keep your chin up kid... none of us can live in fear. A guy like this secretly wants to get caught, and he will keep taking more and more chances until he does get caught. Given the guy's m.o., I would hope that the cops will use surveillance camera information and massive stakeouts of gas stations to catch the guy. Easiest way to catch him is gonna be the vehicle. Seems like he's got some vendetta against gas stations. Could be he worked at one... I'm sure the FBI is doing lots of profiling and statistical analysis to narrow down the search... figure out who this guy might be, where he lives, etc. My guess is they'll either catch or kill the guy if he keeps this up. Lori Fye wrote: >Thank you, Erica, and all of you who have contacted me and are thinking >of me during this strangest of times. > >I'm handling it okay, I think, not panicking but staying vigilant and >watching rooftops and thickets of trees when I drive. My cell phone is >within immediate reach so I can call 911 if I see something. I haven't >loaded my pistol although I do still think about it, realizing of >course that it won't do me much good if the guy is 100 yards away with >something that shoots .223 rounds with such great accuracy and velocity. > >I run/walk two days a week in my neighborhood but have taken >Connecticut Avenue off my route since it's a main road and that seems >to be one of the hunter's favorite playgrounds. > >It's VERY weird to watch the national coverage of this and see "my" gas >stations, stores, and streets flickering on the television. It's also >distressing as hell, because all of this is interesting tabloid fodder >for the rest of the country and the world, but this is MY community, my >backyard, and these are my neighbors. I'm angry that the media plays >with it like they do - was it Tuesday night that Dateline NBC did a >whole hour called "Seven Days of Terror"? Surreal fuel for this >madman's fire. Thanks, NBC. Thanks to all of the media. Thanks a >whole fucking lot. > >Nevertheless, I'm not going live my everyday life in fear. If I do >that, the sniper wins. So I'll alter my routine a little bit and trust >and hope that he'll make an error and be caught soon. Every new >shooting does increase the anxiety of everyone who lives here, but what >else can we do? > >Love to all of you ... >Lori > >~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:24:24 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: new joni traditions > it could be like some kind of harmonic convergence. . . Or a "harmony convergence" with a lot of out of tune voices ... : ) ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:27:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) Lori Fye wrote: > > I'm handling it okay, I think, not panicking but staying vigilant and > watching rooftops and thickets of trees when I drive. It's not unlike living in New York City now, where things you once did easily are now major causes of stress. Something simple where you are, like filling up at a gas station, which people have to do often since they drive so much, becomes a big deal. When? Where? Here, it's things like, is that stalled subway a mechanical failure or has a bomb exploded? And, if I can't ride the subway to work, do I really want to get on a crowded bus? Or even be in a taxi behind a crowded bus? It's hard to explain to people not here what it's like day to day, and how many more little decisions need to be made, and how there's always a sense that something might happen at any moment. And, in spite of all that, trying to get on with life as though all's ok. > It's VERY weird to watch the national coverage of this and see "my" gas > stations, stores, and streets flickering on the television. It's also > distressing as hell, because all of this is interesting tabloid fodder > for the rest of the country and the world, but this is MY community, my > backyard, and these are my neighbors. Yes, I can imagine the distress. It's also my family, now that he's gotten into Virginia. Waking up this morning to radio reports of another shooting in Fredericksburg was not pleasant. I was just there this past weekend visiting my parents, and 9:30 in the morning is exactly the time my father would be out and about. Other family members are in Manassas. So far everyone's safe. > I'm angry that the media plays > with it like they do - was it Tuesday night that Dateline NBC did a > whole hour called "Seven Days of Terror"? Surreal fuel for this > madman's fire. Thanks, NBC. Thanks to all of the media. Thanks a > whole fucking lot. I was thinking exactly the same thing as I watched CNN last night. What power this psycho must be feeling to be talked about with such enthusiasm and interest! It's sickening, all of it, and I hope the media tones it down soon. > Nevertheless, I'm not going live my everyday life in fear. Yes, I know what you mean. Some days, though, it feels like it's time to get a will in order. Not only what's happening in Maryland and Virginia, but also what happened in New York and DC, and what's about to happen (probably) in the Middle East, which I think will add to the fury and numbers of terrorists, makes it all feel like the world is about to explode. And then other days I try to appreciate what's here in this moment and let those things I can't do much or anything about fade away. Breathe deeply! Even when the world is relatively peaceful, there's no guarantee of another day for anyone. > If I do > that, the sniper wins. So I'll alter my routine a little bit and trust > and hope that he'll make an error and be caught soon. He will be. It's hard to believe that no one knows this guy and what he's doing. > Every new > shooting does increase the anxiety of everyone who lives here, but what > else can we do? Take good care of yourself in every way you can, and just accept that your stress level will be high for the time being. Not something to be happy about, but I think it helps if you accept it rather than try to act like everything's completely normal. You have good reason for feeling anxious and watchful and stressed out. And be careful, whatever that means these days. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:29:02 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Fixin' Transcriptions In a message dated 10/11/02 10:56:22 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: << Yes, Walt, the book was re-released in a revised printing after TTT to add those lyrics. Hopefully they will have to revise it again after her next release of NEW SONGS! :~) The real pisser was that the JMDL sent them lots of corrections, and they didn't make any of them! >> Thanks, Bob, as always -- I'll get the '99 version, then. Re: errors found, corrected, and ignored. I will *never* understand that. I've found errors in the published sheet piano-and-voice music of at least half a dozen songs -- I'm not referring to mere oversimplification, I mean out-and-out mistranscriptions -- I'm sure I'm not the only one to have noticed them, and surely some friend-of-Joni must have caught them, etc. Don't official, published sheet music collections have editors who can read music? It seems once something's been published, thus it stays. Although I noticed there were special editions of "Hits" for people interested in Joni's unique tunings. Wonder who was behind that? One of us'uns? Thanks again, Bob, and best to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:45:51 -0400 From: dsk Subject: the joys of baseball NJC Back in the midst of the "war" discussion, while the Division Series was taking place, Brenda wrote: > GO ANGELS! So, speaking of of-the-moment pleasures, I say hurray to American baseball! Bummer, though, that the Angels knocked the Yankees out of contention so early. If the Mets aren't involved in the playoffs, then my loyalty goes to the other NYC hometeam Yankees. The Angels played so well! And those breaking balls by Francisco Rodriguez were a beautiful sight (even though they did cause the Yankee batters to flail around), so hats off to the Angels, and good luck to them against the Twins (although I have to admit to a soft spot for the Twins also since they were almost made extinct). It is great to see teams other than the Braves and Yankees in the playoffs. Makes it all more interesting. Debra Shea P.S. I hope Rodriguez plays for the Mets sometime. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:56:00 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC There is NO joy in baseball unless the White Sox are in the playoffs. Speaking of playoffs, our old friend Marcel is a SF Giants fan and I keep sending him good luck notes along with pictures of Bush reading a book with the book upside down, etc., and the poor guy is besides himself. Thanks to everyone who sends me stuff off list that I enjoy forwarding to Marcel... and as beloved as Joni is on the White Sox message boards, as I post here periodically, I wish you all would support the Sox next season! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:08:08 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" wrote: > > Speaking of playoffs, our old friend Marcel is a SF Giants > fan and I keep sending him good luck notes along with > pictures of Bush reading a book with the book upside down, > etc., and the poor guy is besides himself. "Our" old friend? He's NO friend of mine, for good reason, but I won't hold a grudge against the Giants about that, and friend or not, I do hope he's enjoying the Giants' success. It really is exciting when a team a person's followed for years gets close to the championship. > and as beloved as Joni is on the White Sox message boards, > as I post here periodically, I wish you all would support > the Sox next season! Wow, that's a fantastically big wish. Good luck with that one! Go Sox Go! (just practicing to see how it feels :-). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:10:54 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC Go Sox Go! (just practicing to see how it feels :-). Now didn't that feel really good? In the recent "what's in your cd player: thread on the Sox boards, Joni got many mentions, not for current cds, but for people's favorite cds of the past. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:52:04 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) it is 3.5 years since we moved out the country and hardly a day goes by without me being thankful i no longer live in a city. London over the last 30 years has had several terrorist bombs. Also it's crime rate, especially shootings, has increased. Certainly in the area I lived it was not safe to walk around. One couldn't leave a car there and excpect it to be undamaged in the morning. The night time noise of fights and screaming and bam bam bam of loud music. The tension in the air. The pollution in the air. The fedid smell. The crowds of aggressive/scared people. Oh it is all so obvious when one has to go back for some reason. Like walking back to hell. And I lived there for 20 years and coped and didn't really give it a lot of thought till the last few bad years when things got out of hand for us. Not only have my surroundings changed, my world has changed. I see and feel a different side to life now. bw colin remmebrering clearly the 24/7 state of alert. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:53:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC the closset thing to baseball in the uk is rounders(same bat and ball and running round in circles). considered a girls game. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:47:59 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC colin wrote: > the closset thing to baseball in the uk is rounders(same bat and ball > and running round in circles). considered a girls game. ;-) It is because of that we fought a revolution against you and now exist as a super power while your nation is reduced to having its prime minister be a floor mat for our president. :-) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:53:03 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC colin wrote: > > the closset thing to baseball in the uk is rounders(same bat and ball > and running round in circles). considered a girls game. ;-) Ahhh, here it's a manly man game, with no extra padding as in our football, so it's possible to see every muscle, every straining sinew... you get the idea. Your rounders may be similar to what we call softball here, bigger ball, fewer innings, underhand pitches, which is a game usually played by girls/women (although it can get pretty fierce too). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:26:44 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: the joys of baseball dsk wrote: > > > Ahhh, here it's a manly man game, with no extra padding as in our > football, so it's possible to see every muscle, every straining sinew... > you get the idea. > Which is why I always wonder why i am always the only (or one of the very few) gay men at games - what is there not to like? And look at all there is to like... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:31:35 -0400 From: vince Subject: Apologies to Joni Onlies I just sent a really stupid post without the NJC tag and I want to apologize immediately Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:59:50 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) Thank you for your kind and wise words, Debra. They mean a lot coming from you, as you live with this sort of thing now everyday. > Take good care of yourself in every way you can > And be careful, whatever that means these days. I will, all of the above. You too. All of you, too. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:11:07 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Thinking of Lori (NJC) > London over the last 30 years has had several terrorist bombs. > colin > remmebrering clearly the 24/7 state of alert. Until 9/11, I don't think it had ever really occurred to us in the U.S. that we could be so vulnerable. Yes, there had been OKC and WTC '93 before that, but the sheer magnitude of the events of 9/11 really shook us to the core. Now there's this strange boy in Maryland, DC, and Virginia ... I think I understand - finally, to at least some extent - the way so much of the rest of the world (London, Northern Ireland, Israel, Palestine, Bosnia, Kosovo, Vietnam, Korea ... on and on, insanity) has been living. With fear. With anxiety. With not knowing what or who is next, or from which direction it may come. But somehow we find a way to cope and live our lives anyway, because the human spirit looks for good and finds it, and pushes on. Again, Love to all of you. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:33:37 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC > and now exist > as a super power that is one way of describing your country..... > while your nation is reduced to having its prime > minister be a floor mat for our president. :-) boot licker comes to mind...... > > > Vince - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:34:41 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: the joys of baseball NJC > Ahhh, here it's a manly man game, with no extra padding as in our > football, so it's possible to see every muscle, every straining sinew... > you get the idea. Aussie rules is better-short tight shorts. > - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:35:43 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: the joys of baseball > Which is why I always wonder why i am always the only (or one of the very > few) gay men at games - I am sure you are not. unless the audience is very very smalll. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: miscellaneous music morsels We've got the start of some interesting threads, so I'm putting all my responses in this email. Thanks to Brian Symes for your reflections on Blue. I just listened to the album the other day for the first time in a while. The song that got to me most was Little Green. I could really hear the sorrow in her voice. (I was also aware for the first time of where Joni "punched in" lines. By her own admission, she was barely able to sing a complete song without crying, during these sessions.) Kate mentioned Pirate of Penance. You're right, Kate. This song is highly unusual. I've tried dissecting the form, but it's just too hard to classify. Joni wrote this so early in her career, yet it's a very sophisticated piece of music. I've often wished that Joni had expanded this song to an operetta. She certainly was able to do something unique in the pop/folk genre. This song is pure theatre a la Gilbert and Sullivan. CMIAR - The threads of melody are complex and interwoven. layered one on top of the other. After listening to the rest of the album, I always find it jarring when I get to "A Bird That Whistles" because the melody is so predominant. I'd love to hear an orchestral version of this album - no vocals, just instruments. I think the beauty of this songs would then be more apparent. It's almost as though Joni wrote lyrics for and sings all the melody and harmony parts from instrumental pieces. Ken asked about seasonal associations. The only Joni song that I really think of as seasonal is "Urge for Going," and then I consider the Tom Rush version to be the definitive one. Even "River" isn't strictly a Christmas song to me. and now the non-Joni: Joseph Palis recognized Sheena Easton. I think her crisp, strong vocal ability is underrated. Her version of "Wind Beneath My Wings" blows away anyone else's. Jerry Notaro and Blair Fraipont discussed Laura Nyro. I find it hard to listen to her music, but not because I don't like it. On the contrary. I'm always amazed at how much I like her songs - call it superstition, but she lost her battle to ovarian cancer and I don't intend to lose mine. Why listening to Laura Nyro's music would affect that, I don't know... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #421 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)