From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #418 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 418 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rod Stewart et al ["Mark or Travis" ] NJC NJC Re: Bob's NJC political NJC emails NJC revealed NJC NJC NJC [SCJo] NJC Re: Rod Stewart et al [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC NJC Re: Bob's NJC political NJC emails NJC revealed NJC NJCNJC [v] Re: New Y0rk Tendaberry NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: NJC Re: Powering Up the "Electricity" thread [Susan Guzzi ] Re: New York Tendaberry NJC [nyroman ] Re: NJC Re: Rod Stewart et al [nyroman ] early and influential standards album - njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: in response to war NJC ["kakki" ] Re: early and influential standards album - njc ["Brenda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:31:05 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Rod Stewart et al > I think Linda was first and then Carly. > Actually I'm pretty sure Carly's 'Torch' came before Linda's 'What's New?' Now I have to get up and go look. Could you hang on for a few minutes? I'll be right back.......................................Ok, I'm back. Yes. 'Torch' was released in 1981 and 'What's New' in 1983. Not sure where that fits in with the Nilsson. Mark E. in Seattle (feeling a little like Judy Garland...'talk to each other...mill around or something!') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:36:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC NJC Re: Bob's NJC political NJC emails NJC revealed NJC NJC NJC **Most recently it was like an 8-page treatise with footnotes on why Margaret Trudeau was the best Canadian prime minister's spouse ever.** Yes, because she covered "Chelsea Morning"... > > **Before that, it is on relative merits of Tamerlane vs Genghis Khan as > dictatorial despots, which one was better.** Tamerlane could hit for average but Khan would definitely be the guy you'd want up in a clutch situation. > > **Before that it was endless emails from Bob on what the Ugaritic Texts > reveal about political theory in the ancient Sumerian empire, contrasted > with the political development of the ancient city state of Ur.** > Urrrrrr....don't recall that one, I must have been drinking Cobras! :~) Bob, trying to remember the president's name...it's on the tip of my tongue dammit! NP: Victor, "Parsonage Lane" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:41:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Rod Stewart et al **'Torch' was released in 1981 and 'What's New' in 1983. Not sure where that fits in with the Nilsson.** Harry wins with a 1973 release! Not sure how popular his was, though, but it was very pretty. And re: Rod Stewart, move over Mark cuz I'm hurling too! Bob NP: Walt Breen, "Jericho" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:54:03 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC NJC Re: Bob's NJC political NJC emails NJC revealed NJC NJCNJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > > Urrrrrr....don't recall that one, I must have been drinking Cobras! :~) > I remember you saying it was a bunch of 40s, so many you couldn't count, but you weren't able to count past 5 that night so who know? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:03:41 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: New Y0rk Tendaberry NJC Blair wrote: I had heard James Tayler's version, > that I thought was lame. I thought it was incomparable and find some of Taylor's music superior to much of Mitchell's. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:05:57 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Powering Up the "Electricity" thread Major RLJ fan but that tune, LCT, was never one of my favorites. As a matter of fact, despite its good points, I couldn't stand it and thought it slowed that album down and lessened it to a great degree. Much like my feelings about the seemingly revered Electricity. I don't like it either. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:23:45 -0400 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] Some may have jumped on the standard's band wagon after Joni, but Linda Ronstadt was not one of them. She was recording with Nelson Riddle since the late 70's and early 80's. Joni is unbeatable in my book, not even by Dylan comes close, but when it comes to the race towards singing standard, Linda beat Joni to the finish line. Who does it better? Linda? Joni? That is a matter of opinion. Joni did an excellent job but Linda did a great job of it too! As for all the CMIRS comments, this album coming out from someone else would have received high praises from most of you. So what if it isn't Blue or FTR. It is still a great album compared to most of the stuff put out by other people. It may not be a great Joni album but it is still a very good album and definitely worth the $8 to 10 dollars I spent on the LP back in the late 80's. I too would have ditched Idol and Petty(Despite the fact that I like Petty). "workingwilly" I like that! From now on that is who i'll be! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: NJC Re: Powering Up the "Electricity" thread Bob Muller writes: > I would also add that I've always thought Laura Nyro was RLJ's major influence and not Joni. But lyrically on LCT I think you make a > good point. > Well Bob great minds ... I was going to add in my last post that vocally sometimes RLJ appears to be channeling Nyro. Oh and it came to me just recently, while I had some RLJ playing and I was in another room and I thought ... Did I put Laura Nyro on? I can't think of the particular song but it was eerie! Thanks Bob! Peace, Susan Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:36:16 -0700 From: "jeff t." Subject: and the more out of tune voices on it the better Whoa. 99K of mail in my box 99K of mail. What have I unleashed good people? Maybe I've tasted too much wine with tonight's carbonara, but I'm feelin' a wee cranked... This is Jeff's House Big fans fill my Inbox Don't know who they are I point my cursor at some Muller guy I read about Lori Fye Diehard acolytes of Her Joni in Exquisite Hell They are caught up in her power To show and tell Reading those lines of verve and wit Obscure hints about mouthpiece spit New age groupies with their laptop lives Looking for the day when Siquomb Arrives I open up this evening's posts In my long neglected house Can it be I'm just as doe-eyed That Holy wine's got me soused The telephone rings, the kid comes home Pleading to be fed "Help yourself," I yell, "can't leave this room" I've lost the Sweet Bird thread Watching those profiles on my screen Alternative tunings and JoniFest scenes My sweet faced boy and our pissed off dog Anxiously await my return from the fog The more I'm with you JMDL The more I think I've blown a fuse I'm building way too much around you I think they call it self abuse Cause I was more than fine without you Jesus how do I get released...? My best, Jeff _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:39:35 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: and the more out of tune voices on it the better "jeff t." wrote: > > Cause I was more than fine without you > Jesus how do I get released...? > You don't. There is no release, Read Faust. The selling of the soul has already been accomplished. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:16:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RLJ njc ""Girl at Her Volcano" in 1992," wasn't this released in the 80's?...love that album, also love LCT...thanks for posting the words Susan & yes, it sure sounds like its been influenced by Joni... Shawn Colvin has many songs that I feel reference Joni's lines, but my mind is blanking on them at the moment (i'm sure she'd be the first to admit it she's talked about Joni being such a major influence) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:08:54 -0400 From: nyroman Subject: Re: New York Tendaberry NJC Hi Blair, Many of us on the list love Laura too. Another great track from that recording is "Captain St. Lucifer." "Up On The Roof" is on Laura's "Christmas and the Beads of Sweat" recording which seems to be a part of a "trilogy" of sorts along with "Eli" and "Tendaberry." You'll love "Christmas" if you like "Tendaberry" ("Tendaberry" is my personal favorite!). You might also want to check out "Gonna Take A Miracle," which is Laura's "cover songs" album; The remastered version also contains a live recording of "Up On The Roof," and "Ooh Child." Also the CD "Angel In The Dark" which was released after her death is an interesting recording. "Angel" includes "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" and "Walk On By." Best, Gary Blair Fraipont wrote: > > SO, i bought the aforementioned album by Laura Nyro and all I can > say is that I am loving it..........thorougly!! Even though the > instrumentation is much more sparsely used than on Eli and the 13th > Confession, I am entranced by her singing and her musical style. I found it > hard getting used to her heavily rubatic music (meaning that she doesnt rely > on only one time signature for a song, but instead disregards a strict time > signature), but now I am hooked and I downloaded her version of "Up on the > Roof" which I never really liked before. I had heard James Tayler's version, > that I thought was lame. But her take on the song is just magical and soon > I'll have to go out and buy the album which it is from. > But back to New York Tendaberry, my favorite tracks are > Tom Cat GOodby, Save the COuntry, Mercy on Broadway, and Captain for Dark > Mornings. > Her voice most of all has me hooked, it is original, full of > life, vibrant, chilling, all at once. > > Nighty nite > Blair > NP:Sweet Lovin' Man-The Magnetic Fields > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:19:20 -0400 From: nyroman Subject: Re: NJC Re: Rod Stewart et al How about Nyro's "Gonna Take A Miracle" released in 1971 as one of the leaders in the "covers" albums done in recent times? Best, Gary SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > **'Torch' was released in 1981 and 'What's New' in 1983. Not sure where that > fits in with the Nilsson.** > > Harry wins with a 1973 release! Not sure how popular his was, though, but it > was very pretty. > > And re: Rod Stewart, move over Mark cuz I'm hurling too! > > Bob > > NP: Walt Breen, "Jericho" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:10:01 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: early and influential standards album - njc stardust - willy nelson (1978) and still one of the sweetest. allows me to enter two threads at once! torch may have been first, but ronstadt got a lot more attention. i really love ronstadt's albums with glorious riddle arrangements. just the time i was discovering the ella fitzgerald songbooks, done by riddle as well, but 25 years earlier. patrick, standards/chalkmark lover np - stardust - willy nelson > >**'Torch' was released in 1981 and 'What's New' in 1983. Not sure >where that >fits in with the Nilsson.** > >Harry wins with a 1973 release! Not sure how popular his was, >though, but it >was very pretty. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:01:58 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: and the more out of tune voices on it the better It's too late...you are in like flynn! What a way with words! Keep it up!! (never mind) Bree >The more I'm with you JMDL >The more I think I've blown a fuse >I'm building way too much around you >I think they call it self abuse >Cause I was more than fine without you >Jesus how do I get released...? > >My best, >Jeff > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:12:30 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #417 - Charlie/Johnny Angel > > And I have always heard "Charlie Angel" I have also always thought it's Charlie Angel, which I assumed was some kind of Vietnam battlefield code language. Actually there a lot of seemingly indecipherable background vocals in Beat of Black Wings, especially those by (the late) Benjamin Orr, perhaps more sounds than words. I've always enjoyed CMIARS because of its tight production. Some think it overproduced, I know. Bryan ...I'm so damn sick of that sofa... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:21:40 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: early and influential standards album - njc >stardust - willy nelson (1978) and still one of the sweetest. allows me to >enter two threads at once. Oh..I agree..I just love Stardust. WN renditions of these classics are just so nice. Nice and sweet...this comes to mind when I think of Stardust. Do you like Michael Feinstein's all Gershwin? Bree NPIMHeart: Someone To Watch Over Me..Willie >patrick, standards/chalkmark lover > >np - stardust - willy nelson > > > > >**'Torch' was released in 1981 and 'What's New' in 1983. Not sure > >where that > >fits in with the Nilsson.** > > > >Harry wins with a 1973 release! Not sure how popular his was, > >though, but it > >was very pretty. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:30:48 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: you know you're in . . . >When I first joined and > >noticed NP: Dylan or Ryan Adams etc., at the end of some of the > > posts..I thought Hmmm, they listen to somebody else besides Joni. > > I remember even > > being kind of disappointed as crazy as this might sound. I really > >did.. > >which is dumb, of course, because yeah..I listen to quite a few other > >artists besides Joni. Anybody else think this or just me? I'm not alone. You mean there is another crazy person out there who thought the same thing? Maybe these two crazy people will meet sometime? Bree >Yeah, I had that same crazy feeling. > >:) > >Marianne > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:31:46 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: in response to war NJC Kasey wrote: >> I am truly happy for anyone that has had the experiences you have at >> your fest. Again I wish every one could have that, but not every one >> wants it. That is why some where between the love and hate comes the >> medium. I took this to mean that both love and hate exist in the world at large (excluding for a moment one's inner world, which is hopefully filled with love most of the time) and that, while I would assume most healthy people are drawn towards love, they still are often unavoidably confronted with hate which is usually irrational and underserved. I think that the "medium" you speak of might be that "sitting in the middle" area where one, not swayed by either emotion, strives to realistically gauge how to deal with hate. Embracing hate with love may work sometimes, or it might get you destroyed. Both outcomes are possible. It isn't easy sometimes to know the best/wisest response. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:00:06 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: in response to war NJC Oops, I caught the typoid virus again! > hate which is usually irrational and underserved. Since this one might bring out the old flyswatter - I meant "undeserved" ! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:19:59 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: early and influential standards album - njc Patrick! On 10 Oct 2002 at 0:10, patrick leader wrote: > stardust - willy nelson (1978) and still one of the sweetest. allows > me to enter two threads at once! I always think of "Stardust" as the converse of Ray Charles' "Modern Sounds in Country & Western Music" ...another inspired concept album that turns the covers idea on its ear for the unsuspecting public. > > torch may have been first, but ronstadt got a lot more attention. i > really love ronstadt's albums with glorious riddle arrangements. just > the time i was discovering the ella fitzgerald songbooks, done by > riddle as well, but 25 years earlier. > The fact that Nelson Riddle was involved made me pay attention to the Ronstadt recordings. In '83 (as a high school junior) I plunked down a pretty penny for a 5 disc, import vinyl set - "Ella Fitzgerald Sings the George & Ira Gershwin Song Book," released by Polydor Paris. (As someone who has been a Sarah Vaughan fan since before I can remember, this was a big deal.) "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off," "The Man I Love" and "How Long Has This Been Going On" are worth the price of admission. This set was re-released a few years ago on CD with a fourth disc of alternate takes and mixes. Anyone have it? I bought the Ronstadt recordings later and found the performances fairly tame (and in some instances, downright dull) by comparison. Brenda n.p.: Ella - "I've Got a Crush On You" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:30:09 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: and the more out of tune voices on it the better > The telephone rings, the kid comes home > Pleading to be fed > "Help yourself," I yell, "can't leave this room" > I've lost the Sweet Bird thread LOL! I have to admit myself that I don't always have time to get my shower in the morning...so I started taking it at midnight because that's the time most of you guys eat! Being from Denmark, signing here has litterally rearranged my life, so welcome to the club of Joniaddicts! :-) > Watching those profiles on my screen > Alternative tunings and JoniFest scenes > My sweet faced boy and our pissed off dog > Anxiously await my return from the fog I just gave away my cat for the same reason... ;-D Good thing, I don't have children... > By the way, I tune into your posts as the first ones so keep posting lots! :-) Christina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:39:34 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption (njc) Hi Bree > That was just my intial reaction. I have since loved to see what people are > listening to. I've never had a doubt you would fall into the NJC side of the fence, Bree ;-) When I first joined the list it was before the days of the "NJC" option so nearly everything was about Joni - often written in very eloquent, rarified and scholarly "tomes." There were often great and fascinating reads but people are human and would sometimes drift "outside the lines" or would start out with the Joni content and then be inspired to write about other musicians or personal experiences, etc. This all led to several ongoing and often passionate debates about what people should be writing about on the Joni list. There was definitely a split in the tribe of the JCs and the NJCs. Les, thank gawd, finally came up with the device to settle it (or at least 99% settle it ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #418 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)