From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #414 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 414 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: October 8 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] The Fiddle and the Drum NJC Bush [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] ROLLING STONE/Sarah reccomendations [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: NJC and Graham Nash quotes ["kakki" ] Re: NJC and Graham Nash quotes [vince ] CMIAR ["Laurent Olszer" ] Rolling Stone [Jerry Notaro ] Re: James Taylor article in NY Times [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: NJC and Graham Nash quotes ["kakki" ] njc a poem [vince ] Happy Birthday Les Ross!!! NJC [Steve Polifka ] Les's response to the war debate [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: Rolling Stone [David Sadowski ] NJC Timothy White Concert/Boston [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Rolling Stone [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Joni in Rolling Stone [Chihuahua50@aol.com] Re: The Fiddle and the Drum NJC Bush ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni only ["Sarah Cartwright" ] Painting... [RADJSHARP@aol.com] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone NJC [Scott Price ] M.S.B.'s "woodstock" [Relayer211@aol.com] Colin's beautiful thoughts [Relayer211@aol.com] joni only - self absorption ["jeff t." ] Re: joni only - self absorption ["Lori Fye" ] Re: joni only - self absorption njc [vince ] Re: joni only - self absorption ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: I'll take NJC over one of the three great stimulants, thankyou. [coli] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone [Catherine McKay ] Re: Happy Birthday Les Ross!!! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni only - self absorption [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc a poem [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni only - self absorption now njc [Catherine McKay ] in responds to war NJC ["kasey simpson" ] Graham Nash quotes (njc)(long) ["Darice(darice@mindspring.com)"] Joni's Birthday [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #413 ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JT and Joni (SJC) [CoyoteRick@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:11:54 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: October 8 On October 8 the following items were published: 1998: "Balm From a Musical Touchstone" - Atlanta Journal and Constitution (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981008ajc.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Hartford Courant (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981008hc.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:32:49 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: The Fiddle and the Drum NJC Bush Just this once Set the way back machine Sherman to when another President from Texas committed the best of my generation to battle the last great fear of the Free World, Communism. My Question is what difference did there deaths cause, did it stop the red domino's falling in Indochina. what if those 50,000 men and women had joined the Peace Corp.and better fed children around the planet or we used the Billions of dollars from that war to educate and feed and house our citizens instead of Napalming and spreading Agent Orange all over Vietnam. Our president tonight laid out his latest Cowboy Doctrine: Aint gonna trust those Indians so lets saddle up. Brian Symes Architect $1,000,000.00=Housing for 10 elderly people $1,000,000.00=One Cruise missle to kill 10 people ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 05:14:15 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: ROLLING STONE/Sarah reccomendations I realize im a lil late on this subject but my mail is being fowarded so I just recieved this months Rolling Stone today...Im not suprised that Joni was left off cause as we've thought millions of times our Queen Joni never gets her due...Its amazing to me that most of the artists on the list say Joni was an influence so why isnt the influence on the list..But thank god Linkin Park is on the list cause you know how prolific they are(sarcastic)..To Sarah I urge you to give Clouds another shot..I love Clouds granted not as intricate as her 70s albums but whattan artful masterpiece lyrically and at times musically..Song about the midway...I dont know where I stand...The gallery...et al...As for as what to get next well if I were you id get For The Roses...Its full of amazing songs..great performances (Steve Stills on blonde in the bleachers for example)just take your time and enjoy one at a time.. its an amazing ride so hold on tight.. honestly its takin me a bit to get into Dog Eat Dog but it also took me forever to get into Hissing and now its one of my faves...Hope all are doin well in jmdland...peace love and happiness to you all*********kev******* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 04:09:35 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NJC and Graham Nash quotes Vince, > Note that I said that the statement was bullshit and did not comment on > who - whoever it may be - said it. Personal comments, calling people > out by name, is simply not my style. Anyone who has been reading along knows Kasey said this and to say "someone" instead of the name of the person you have been conversing with somehow seems not very sensitive to me. Calling someone by their name is not the same as calling them a "name." And then this: > Why do we talk about artists and not listen to what they say? > > Vince > NPIMH: Nash's Military Madness Whether you meant that to be a veiled reference to me or not, of course, I am going to wonder about it. I have not given my opinion on a war in Iraq on the list other than to say I had not made up my mind, and with all the buzz (and buzzsaws) about it both here and on the outside, it has actually been one of the last things I have wanted to talk or think about at this point. Kakki, back to PC lurk mode ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:39:49 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC and Graham Nash quotes kakki cited me as saying: > > Why do we talk about artists and not listen to what they say? > > > > Vince > > NPIMH: Nash's Military Madness > > and kakki then said > Whether you meant that to be a veiled reference to me or not, of course, I > am going to wonder about it. Gees, this is getting way too much. If I were going to make a reference to you, Kakki, I would. This was *not* a veiled reference to you. It was not *any type* of reference to you This is a reference to the fact that (I guess) 90% of the JMDLers are big time fans of CSN&Y, CSN, Y, C, S, and N. We have been getting some Joni quotes and I just moved to the next circle of quotes. My reference was to Nash and Joni fans everywhere. Kakki, very honestly, your name did not cross my mind once yesterday, not at all, not remotely, not in any capacity. Now I guess in retrospect you saw Nash last week, but that is sheerest coincidence. I think about Nash, and know his music, totally independent of your concert attendance. We are *all* fans of Nash. Nash was especially on my mind because I found that Portuguese site (which i thought was Spanish!) that had nice pictures of Nash and Joni together. I do apologize for anything that inadvertently made you think there was a connection, but there simply was not, not at all. We really need to not only not make personal remarks, we need to stop looking for them where they don't exist. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:18:10 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: CMIAR > From: Deb Messling > Subject: Re: CMIAR > > Gee, I've always put Number One on my Worst list. What do you like about > it? I'm not baiting you, I'm genuinely interested. > > Great lyrics, great beat (or "pulse" as Bob so eloquently said). I heard the live version way before CMIAR came out (Long Beach 86 in person, and Amnesty 86 on TV) and always liked it. I guess it brings you back to earth whenever you think you're #1 (as my Jewish mother always believed). Perhaps a great deal of these discussions (I don't mean necessarily with you Deb) about for example liking Songs to a Seagull and hating DED boil down to the "folk" era lovers not liking the other stuff and vice versa? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:22:33 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Rolling Stone Rolling Stone's upcoming Women In Rock and Roll issue will include stories and photographs of 37 major women talents. Joni is one of them. I saw a sneak peak of her photo and it is sensational. Jerry np: Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Forest Hills ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:24:57 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: James Taylor article in NY Times <> Just some thoughts: 1. He's writing new songs. They may not be very different from the style he's written in his whole career, but he is introducing new product into the market. 2. He tours, and in his shows he deliberately includes "old favorites" that people want to hear. On her last tour, I'm sure there were many people who left disappointed because Joni was not playing their favorite oldies. Of course, that's not what she's about and I'm not saying she should do that. I'm just saying that there ARE consequences to not "playing the game". 3. He doesn't come off as bitter as Joni does in interviews, and he doesn't constantly badmouth the business that's given him a very comfortable life. Again, I'm not saying that Joni should mimic this behavior, just that there are consequences to her promotional style. Bob NP: Damien Jurado & Rose Thomas, "Wages Of Sin" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Kakki, who listens sometimes too closely to everyone ;-) > > Why do we talk about artists and not listen to what they say? > > > > Vince > > NPIMH: Nash's Military Madness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:13:49 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc a poem I was at the local hospital this morning getting x-rays and I found the following in an article in a lobby magazine - the magazine is the September 2002 issue of North Shore, from the north shore (duh...) area of Chicago, and what it was doing in the lobby up here, who knows, northshoremag.com but the article (A Child's Garden of Verse) is about a north shore teacher of poetry and she shares a child's poem about his plastic toy soldiers; the article's author (Penelope Mesic) called the poem "the most haunting" and I agree. In its entirety: My enemy is the same as me. We cannot put our weapons down. We cannot run. Must stand. Until the Hand Puts us away. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:27:33 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy Birthday Les Ross!!! NJC Happy birthday to you My handsome friend across the pond Hope everything you may wish for Appears before you today Hugs, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 06:37:36 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Les Ross!!! NJC Hey Steve, that's pretty good! Happy Birthday Beautiful Les! Kakki > Happy birthday to you > My handsome friend across the pond > Hope everything you may wish for > Appears before you today > Hugs, > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:55:21 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Les's response to the war debate Thank you Les. You are the reason this list works. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:12:23 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Rolling Stone I started reading Rolling Stone around 1969 and one of the very first issues I have has Joni on the cover. Interesting that with the death of the "folk boom," Joni wasn't marketed as a folk artist. After initially being sympathetic to her and writing positive reviews, RS eventually turned on her... at one point, in the 70s, writing that she wanted to be a man. Then, they more or less stopped writing about her almost completely. For years almost nothing positive was written about her by Rolling Stone... Thus it was pretty ironic when they had a special issue devoted to the 100 top women in rock all-time, and she made the list. They were giving her iconic status, after having run her down for years. What a joke. But then again, the magazine went way downhill years ago... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:14:23 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Timothy White Concert/Boston Fleet Center, Boston Well, this was one amazing concert. After all the various lineup reports and the confusion arising over who was appearing in Boston, and who was to appear tonight in NYC, the Boston roster turned out to be Roger Waters, Sheryl Crow, James Taylor, Billy Joel, Don Henley, Sting, and Mellencamp. Buffet and Brian Wilson are also slated to appear tonight in MSG. The house band was Danny Kortchmar, Waddy Wachtel, Willie Weeks and Steve Jordan (directing). They backed everyone except Henley and Mellencamp, who brought their own bands. Roger Waters opened with 'Comfortably Numb' (with Henley) and 'Wish You Were Here', and a new song 'Flickering Flame' about Native Americans. Sheryl Crow offered 'If It Makes You Happy', 'Soak Up the Sun' and "Steve McQueen'. She rocked. JT did 'Hound Dog', 'October Road', 'Mexico' and an amazing duet with Sting on 'You Can Close You Eyes'... There were filmed tributes throughout, narrated by JT. There was an especially hilarious film appearance by Bill Murray trying to tie a bow tie (Tim's signature look). Billy Joel seemed to have the biggest crowd appeal and *did rock out. 'My Life', 'NY State of Mind', 'Only the Good', 'You May be Right' and an encore (perhaps) on 'Piano Man'. Henley offered David Grey's 'Shine', something else, and a laid back 'Boys of Summer'. Timothy B. Schmidt was along, altho it was a little hard to tell him from Sheryl Crow. I really enjoyed Sting's set. He opened with 'Roxanne' He went to 'Fields of Gold' in which he became obviously emotional and stumbled a bit. That was really touching to me, because when you've done a song 9,000 times between the studio and concerts, you tend to lose the ability to connect with the words you wrote way back when. This event and his obvious regard for Tim White overcame him briefly. He closed with 'Faith'. Andy Somers played guitar, along with Kortchmar. Mellencamp came on also with his own band and did the Mellemcamp thing including "Aint that America' and certainly two other tunes but he was so loud I was just trying to survive. His drummer's kick drum was literally like cannon shots and my pant legs were actually flapping in the breeze. I had my souvenir ear plugs (a little less music to my ears) but didn't use them. But boy, was that loud! The entire crew came onstage for 'Bound For Glory' (This Train) and then they did a surprise 'Everyday People' to close out. Still processing but I wanted to file an early report in the case that anyone around NYC is thinking of trying to go. I would say YES DEFINITELY. Most of all I would want to recommend Tim White's most excellent writings on pop music and culture, including the Marley, JT and Brian Wilson bios, and the excellent compilations of Rolling Stone and Billboard articles "Rock Lives", 'Music to my Ears' and 'The Entertainers' Chucke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:34:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Rolling Stone <> Further to that, she's been VERY vocal about her distaste for being segregated as a "woman" in rock & roll, and about these "top women" specials they do from time to time. I would submit that RS puts her in there as a jab to her outspoken attitude about the subject. Bob NP: Radiohead, "Anyone Can Play Guitar" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:49:50 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: The Fiddle and the Drum NJC Bush > $1,000,000.00=Housing for 10 elderly people > $1,000,000.00=One Cruise missle to kill 10 people Brian - GREAT post! You're my hero for today. Lori in MD ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:59:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Timothy White Concert/Boston ChuckE writes: << Most of all I would want to recommend Tim White's most excellent writings on pop music and culture >> And last time I checked he has 6 entries in the JMDL database. He was a big Joni fan from what I've read. He also conducted the interview with Joni during which she told the story of her parents' courtship, which is the basis for "The Tea Leaf Prophecy." (I posted the URL for that when Timothy White died a few months ago, but Les makes it easy to search the database by writers, so check it out!) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:01:57 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: joni influence sjc this from newspaper The Guardian's archive. thought it might interest some... Classical Prom 17: Turnage premiere <<...OLE_Obj...>> Royal Albert Hall, London/ Radio 3 Andrew Clements Friday August 2, 2002 The orchestral triptych that Mark-Anthony Turnage is writing as the BBC Symphony's associate composer will heard be heard complete next January. The first movement was introduced a year ago; the central and largest panel was the premiere in last night's prom, conducted by Andrew Davis. Uninterrupted Sorrow is the only section of this composite work to employ a full orchestra, and a big one at that: quadruple woodwind, four horns. Though the title, borrowed from a Joni Mitchell song, suggests music that is melancholy and introspective, the 15 minute piece turns out to be much more outward going and finally optimistic; moments of reflection are confined to the introductory sequence of chilly chords and the rather austere first theme, unfolded by a pair of flutes. What follows, as the rhythmic energy and the level of disssonance steadily increase, is a sequence of duets spotlighting sections of the orchestra in turn, in an almost concertante style. The clarinets pick up where the flutes leave off, the oboes take over, and eventually the brass cuts in, with bracing horn figures, stabbing trumpets, and an explosively virtuoso break for trombones. The perspectives constantly change, until the music suddenly finds itself back where it began, for a coda that attempts to return to the mood of the opening, delicate and subtly coloured. How Uninterrupted Sorrow will fit into the scheme of the completed triptych remains to be seen, but standing alone it is an effective orchestral showpiece. Davis's performance had the typical authority that he brought to everything he programmed when he was the BBCSO's chief conductor, and the rest of the concert was equally well presented. There was a supple, perfectly proportioned account of Debussy's Prilude ` l'Aprhs-midi d'un Faune, and a slightly less convincing one of Ravel's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand, in which the soloist Louis Lortie seemed too intent on over-civilising what is one of Ravel's darkest and most threatening scores. Vaughan Williams's Blake inspired masque for dancing, Job - half ballet, half symphonic suite - is a Davis speciality, and he presented it as the fascinating transitional work it is. The conflict between modal God and chromatic Satan, with diatonic Job caught in between, looks back to the early pastoral works and forward to the violence and energy of the later symphonies; some of it is beguiling, some of it tendentious, but Davis clearly believes in every note. 7 Rebroadcast on Radio 3 next Tuesday at 2 pm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:14:11 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Joni only ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Cartwright To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com ; olszer@xlsecurity.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Joni only Fantastic to hear your views, LOTC was the 1st one I bought and I think sub-consciously you do tend to use your 1st as a kind of benchmark. I was so amazed when I listened to THOSL and Hejira, soo different in style to what I was used to. There are still a few songs that just 'don't do it for me' at all e.g.The jungle line ( I have read a few similar posts about that one!), the song Hejira, shadows & light. But as Laurent says it is a matter of personal taste. Now I'm starting to learn more about Joni's life through the book Shadows & Light, it is fascinating to learn what was happening in her life when she was writing a particular song / album. Its like looking at a painting when you know about the artist's life, it makes it all the more compelling and magnetic. I do find it incredible that one song can literally make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up and the next leaves me cold. I am absolutely obsessed with A Strange Boy at the moment ( I have noticed this happens with Joni - it was The Priest / For Free in LOTC), quite literally need to listen to it at least 5 times a day!!!! such sexy instrumentals. Hi Sarah I've noticed over the years that the songs I like at first on a CD are often not my favorites after a few listens. Perhaps they were "easy access" but turn out to lack the complexity that makes one discover new things at each listening. Conversely, songs I never cared for may just "click" on the 10th listen. Then again some songs I'll like forever, Strange Boy is one of them. Be careful not to OD though. You can get too much of a good thing. What else do you listen to? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:32:48 +0100 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: Re: Joni only Hi Laurent, I am a total sucker for finding a favourite then ODing on it I have to admit! Other artists I am listening to at the moment are Ryan Adams ( have seen him 3 times - fantastic each time!), Beth Orton, although don't like Daybreaker as much as her earlier stuff, also heard a bit of Wilco recently who I find quite intrguing. and then of course there's Joni for the remaining 23 hours of the day!! and you? > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:53:26 EDT From: RADJSHARP@aol.com Subject: Painting... Dear Joni folk, Normally I am content to look at the digests through a knothole. But yesterday my wife gave me Joni's DVD for my birthday. My love for the two brightest, most talented and lovely women in my life has never been higher, wider or deeper. SIQUOMB Bob [not Dylan] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:54:13 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone NJC At 10:36 AM 10/8/2002 -0400, Chihuahua50@aol.com wrote: >Rolling Stone is doing another "women in rock" issue >they put Brittney Spears, Mary J. Blige, and Shakeera on the cover. "Sex Sells Everything." :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:39:25 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: M.S.B.'s "woodstock" Has anyone heard the cover version of "Woodstock" by a band called "Matthew's southern comfort"?I have the song on CD.I like it,it's very mellow and relaxing but the band doesn't put much energy into the song,imo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:44:04 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Colin's beautiful thoughts I really love reading Colin(Catman's)posts.There is so much kindness and and love and compassion in his posts.I find them very inspiring.It's a shame there isn't more compassion in our crazy,violent world. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:47:41 -0700 From: "jeff t." Subject: joni only - self absorption Ha ... you probably thought some idjit was about to blast your heroine. Not likely. I only wish to 'welcome' myself to this fine gathering of, uh, heart and humor and humility. Being Joni's hugest fan (snicker), I was simply unaware that others kind of like her. (Do you even tolerate this level of glibness?) So even though the baby needs shoes and I'm busted...I've spent the last 30 some hours, off and on cause I'm well adjusted, trawling your waters. Oh what bounty. The Electricity Thread was worth the price alone. I refrain from relating my own tangle with this song, it's just satisfying to know others have wrestled alongside and independently of, me. Such attunement to detail in this community, I am sure I'll actually, one day, have something to say. It does, however, pain me greatly to know that some of you may have live performances hitherto unheard through my speakers. Oh but I am resourceful...and only kidding about baby's shoes and empty pockets. I'll come clean your houses if I get a previously unknown twist (via recording, stay with this blather) on one of her works. (Do you guys require capitalization of Her?) Thank you to all who keep this resource going. And to those listed in 'Meet the Staff'...Bravos, kudos, and glad tidings I heap on you. Sincerely, a word here or there aside, Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:12:15 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption Wow, Jeff!!! Yours may be the very best self-intro to the JMDL I've ever read! WELCOME! > (Do you even tolerate this level of glibness?) Absolutely. Bring it on! > (Do you guys require capitalization of Her?) Yes, please. ; ) > Bravos, kudos, and glad tidings I heap on you. So glad to have you aboard!! Please post often! Lori in MD ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:21:57 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption njc "jeff t." wrote: > Ha ... you probably thought some idjit was about to blast your heroine. The correct phrase is "feeble-minded idjet" as established in the musical lexicon in Act 1 Scene 5 in Carlisle Floyd's "Susannah." Otherwise, a most interesting initial post. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:19:31 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption welcome, jeff! glad to have you among us. post often, and you can start out right now by telling us what album/song started your addiction to our joan. (extra points from me for liking "wild things run fast" but hating "dog eat dog," in case you're keeping score at home. jump in with both feet.... new energy, new analysis and new opinions are always welcomed. funny.... that's what my christmas cards said last year. again, and heartily - welcome! cindy _______________________________________ Cindy Vickery Daniel Corporation 205-443-4718 direct 205-443-4615 facsimile http://www.danielcorp.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:08:32 -0500 From: johnirving Subject: I'll take NJC over one of the three great stimulants, thank you. Hi all, Regarding the flurry of non-Joni mail creeping up lately... Personally, I come to the list for Joni and only Joni. Even in posts that do have a one line mention of Joan and then gush on about other musical performers (there are others???), my eyes tend to glaze over and I quickly scroll along. So even the joni content posts can border quite dangerously over the line. As to the discussion of War, and the heart felt disagreements that can come with that, I try to be far more tollerant. War is a big issue and worth creeping over the boundaries of a Joni-only list. Otherwise we would all be guilty of demanding the 3 great stimulants: "Don't worry my pretty head over important matters. I'll take a glass of innocence on the rocks, please." I mean imagine it's judgement day and the world coming to the end, I get on the list to wish Bobbo well and someone writes a reply saying, "Hey! That's NJC." Let's keep our perspective. So long as there aren't tons of these emails to drift through, it's not more than a second or two, and even fewer calories to scroll past. I think that's how Joni would want it. :-) j. Best to all. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:57:37 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Colin's beautiful thoughts I have been sitting here wondering how to repsond to this. I thought not to respond but that seems rude. I just don't know what to say really. Thank you? I am glad you are inspired tho. tho really i am as full of shit as anyone else. It was nice to read. better than being told to seek medical attention.....! Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I really love reading Colin(Catman's)posts.There is so much kindness and and love and compassion in his posts.I find them very inspiring.It's a shame there isn't more compassion in our crazy,violent world. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 01:01:16 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: I'll take NJC over one of the three great stimulants, thankyou. > I mean imagine it's judgement day and the world coming to the end, and we will be too busy discussing what Joni meant by fay or fey or boom boom pachyderm or whatever to notice till the screen pops. 'I've been reading my joni list. anything interesting happen in the world today? hello? hello? Hello? anyone there?' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:30:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone --- Chihuahua50@aol.com wrote: > Rolling Stone is doing another "women in rock" issue > and there is an article on Joni and a nice photo > inside. I was hoping they would do something radical > like put Joni on the cover by herself. Instead they > put Brittney Spears, Mary J. Blige, and Shakeera on > the cover. > > Don't get me started. You've said it all. What more is there to say? (I don't know if I'd lump Mary J. Blige in with the other two, but my own personal jury is still out on that count.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Les Ross!!! NJC --- Steve Polifka wrote: > Happy birthday to you > My handsome friend across the pond > Hope everything you may wish for > Appears before you today > Hugs, > Steve Yes, indeedy. Happy birthday, Les Ross - Mr SexyVoice himself! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:39:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Painting... now njc --- RADJSHARP@aol.com wrote: > Dear Joni folk, > > Normally I am content to look at the digests through > a knothole. But > yesterday my wife gave me Joni's DVD for my > birthday. My love for the two > brightest, most talented and lovely women in my life > has never been higher, > wider or deeper. > > SIQUOMB > > Bob [not Dylan] Bob, you really ought to post more often. There aren't enough Bobs on this list. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption --- "jeff t." wrote: > Ha ... you probably thought some idjit was about to > blast your heroine. Not > likely. I only wish to 'welcome' myself to this > fine gathering of, uh, > heart and humor and humility. Welcome to the list, Jeff. Some of us have to wish ourselves happy birthday, so we might as well welcome ourselves too - otherwise who the hell else would? Interesting your thinking you were the "only one". We all thought we were the only one at some point. How wrong we were (& thankfully so.) Joni-virgins no more? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:43:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc a poem --- vince wrote: > I> > but the article (A Child's Garden of Verse) is about > a north shore > teacher of poetry and she shares a child's poem > about his plastic toy > soldiers; the article's author (Penelope Mesic) > called the poem "the > most haunting" and I agree. In its entirety: > > My enemy is the same as me. > We cannot put our weapons down. > We cannot run. Must stand. > Until the Hand > Puts us away. That raised the hairs on the back of my neck. Was it really a child that wrote that? Any idea how old? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:45:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption now njc D'oh! Shoulda marked that njc. Now going to find hair shirt... ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:08:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni only - self absorption **The Electricity Thread was worth the price alone.** Welcome!! This comment makes me think youse has been lurking here awhile, Jeff. Anyway, thanks for de-lurking and now that you're out here stay out! :~) Bob NP: Gregg Cagno, "The Collective Riff Consciousness" (live at the Full Moon) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:17:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: M.S.B.'s "woodstock" In a message dated 10/8/02 4:40:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: > Has anyone heard the cover version of "Woodstock" by a band called > "Matthew's southern comfort"?I have the song on CD.I like it,it's very > mellow and relaxing but the band doesn't > put much energy into the song,imo. > Hey Relayer, yes Mathew's Southern Comfort is on "Covers & Contributions" Vol. 2, Disc 4. (one of Muller's first cover CD's). I listened to it again, and you're right. It's very mellow. I think they were smoking a lot of ganja at the time, (which was quite the norm at the time). Still a nice version though! Jimmy (who was just in Jamaica and the musicians didn't know Joni's Ganja Line :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:49:24 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #413 > Over the years, one > could reasonably argue JT has been a bigger commercial success than JM. > > I think that's a gross understatement. JT has had a zillion more hit > singles than JM, even throughout the 80's. And, generally speaking, his > songs are simply more...simple...which makes them resonate with the > "general public." I'm not knocking him at all, I've always loved his work > (though I don't own any of it). He is hands-down a bigger commercial > success than Joni. I don't think it's likely that a marketing campaign > could bring Joni up to JT's commercial level, but I do think her record > company, as I've complained before, could do a much better job of promoting > her work. > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #413 - --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > > Over the years, one > > could reasonably argue JT has been a bigger commercial success than > JM. > > > > I think that's a gross understatement. JT has had a zillion more > hit > > singles than JM, even throughout the 80's. And, generally speaking, > his > > songs are simply more...simple...which makes them resonate with the > > > "general public." I'm not knocking him at all, I've always loved > his work > > (though I don't own any of it). He is hands-down a bigger > commercial > > success than Joni. I don't think it's likely that a marketing > campaign > > could bring Joni up to JT's commercial level, but I do think her > record > > company, as I've complained before, could do a much better job of > promoting > > her work. > > All of which makes me wonder and put forth to the list this question: what makes a musician/artist "successful"?? Is Joni "successful" in your opinion? i welcome your thoughts. Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:01:12 -0500 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: in responds to war NJC To All, I had been away on a mini vacation. I returned to a box full of post. Many I found funny, some just hysterical. So, have I fought in a war? Hummm, if yes or no does it change the validly of facts that I have read? If no, am I even afforded the right to an opinion? Am I struggling with events in my own life? Isn't everyone? Where do I get my information? CNN, Fox, Time, Newsweek, etc., etc. Only interested in war? Oh sure it's such fun, why not? Please, indulge my sarcasm, for that is the most insane question I've ever heard. Making light of the fest? Maybe I did, if so it wasn't intentional. The point that was sooooo missed, was what was at the fest was at the fest, it cannot be bottled and sent around the world. How wonderful it would be if you could. Someone said...... oh let's all guess so we don't make it personal. Pay back for 9/11, to feel like we are in control..........loading a .38 to shoot the fu****, to pay back, or feel in control? Entertainment? Childish.....am not you are. LOL Majority against......latest poll 62% for not against. "He tried to kill my father." Incomplete, responding to a LIST of things Saddam had done. It would be hard to refer to the former president Bush as any thing but his father. As for the new information sources I received, I have not had time to read them, but I will. For those of you who posted off list, I understand. Thank you for your quiet warnings, and support. My decision to support Bush in this action I did not make lightly. Some one wrote for me to open my heart and share what is inside. If I felt that I was truly a part of a 'family' that tolerated this I would. Some wrote they were passionate.....so am I. Only my passion differs from yours. It seems that me (or my opinions) are worse than that of Saddam. For surly ones as loving and accepting as you would have enjoyed an intellectual debate, rather than a war of words, meant to cut ones soul out. The Simpson family says you are welcome. Kasey Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:48:59 -0400 From: "Darice(darice@mindspring.com)" Subject: Graham Nash quotes (njc)(long) While I will admit to loving Graham(and agreeing with Nash's quotes in Military Madness), I do not think that loving an artist requires me to agree blindly with everything that artist says or writes or thinks. For one thing, an artist's viewpoint can and does change throughout his/her life. For another thing, I think that interpreting everything an artist writes as the sole reflection of that artist's perspective rather than an artistic articulation of a thought or point of view, trivializes or marginalizes the talent of the artist. Should I still "Love the one I'm with" or never listen to Stills again? Do I have to become Muslim to listen to "Morning has broken"? Can I eat meat or wear leather shoes and still listen to "All we are saying is give peace a chance"? Must I refuse to listen to Elvis Presley because of his drug problems or because he admired Nixon? I absolutely LOVE John Mellencamp, but have heard he is a real SOB to work with; must I throw out all my Mellencamp cds? Artists open our eyes, make us ask questions, show us injustices, broaden our outlooks, BUT, at least in my opinion,should not preach to us, ask for blind faith, or reject our views when and if those views differ from their own views. I highly respect Jackson Browne, love everything he has written, have had several great conversations with him, BUT I would never vote for Nader for president, nor does Jackson look down on me for voicing my opinion and voting for some one else. I would and do expect that same courtesy from the people who listen to Dylan, Baez, Joni, Young, Joplin,Crosby, Bruce, Melissa, and others. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:56:58 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: CMIARS Dave, thanks for clue-ing me into the 'Johnny Angel' chorus from "Beat of Black Wings". I was never quite sure what that line was and 'Johnny Angel' just sounded silly to me. Do you know how this fits into the song and why Joni put it there? I've seen the video and I still can't figure it out. BTW, "Number One" is an awesome song! Great rhythms!! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:43:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni's Birthday Hi J.J. and fellow jmdler's We all know that Joni's birthday is just around the corner. We've had some wonderful birthday cards sent to her that I've seen for the past 4 years. Last year, Steve Polifka made a lovely card representing JoniMitchell.com and the JMDL. I hope some of the great graphic artist on the list can come up with something. We have to let her know how much we still love her. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:28:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #413 > All of which makes me wonder and put forth to the list this question: > > what makes a musician/artist "successful"?? Is Joni "successful" in > your opinion? > > i welcome your thoughts. > > Mags Good question, dearest Mags! I would say definitely yes, Joni is a successful musician/artist. For one, even though she may not have sold as many albums as Michael Jackson or even JT, she still has been able to make her living from her music. To most artists I think that alone would qualify her as a successful artist. I know a couple that I went to college with. We were all in theatre, all wanted to become actors. This couple went on to graduate school and then got jobs in Ashland Oregon for several years at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. They eventually moved to Seattle and as far as I know have been earning their living in the theatre ever since. You would not know these people (even though Jeanne has appeared on Broadway and television and was nominated for a Tony award several years ago) but I count them as successful because they are acting - not waiting tables or working behind a desk - and making a reasonably good living at it. Another reason I think Joni should be counted a success is that, even though she hasn't had but a handful of bona fide hits, she has managed to stay in the game, putting out an album ever few years on a regular basis all through her recording career. And on major record labels to boot. Joni also has earned the respect of many of her peers. Musicians almost unanimously revere her as one of the greatest and most influential of our time. That certainly makes her successful in my book. Finally, I think Joni is a huge success because she has never let her work become stagnant. She continues to challenge herself and her audience. Which is also part of the reason why she is not a top-selling singer/songwriter. My theory about Joni's career is that she came on the scene at a time that was ripe for her to make an impression. Artists like Judy Collins and Joan Baez and Bob Dylan had already become major stars of the folk/rock/singer/songwriter genre. Social unrest in the US brought a certain new edge and intelligence to popular music. Joni was bound to get some attention for being so unique and producing such fresh and creative music. Plus there was the fact that people like Judy Collins were covering her songs. As she developed, interest in her grew. By the time she made 'Court and Spark', her development had almost completely dove-tailed with the popular tastes of the day. The three hit songs off of that one album, although not her first were probably her last. Joni may have tapped into the tastes of the mainstream but since that was never her goal to begin with, she didn't stay there. She kept going on her own solitary path (see 'Judgment of the Moon & Stars'). So people eventually lost interest in her. For whatever reason, people like James Taylor still hold the public's attention. But Joni's music being the complex, challenging and evolving stuff that it is is not what people seem to be looking for anymore. Mark E. in Seattle (who got promoted recently and is starting a new job) Now what...what...(I don't know can you tell me what?) What is success Is it doing your own thing Or to join the rest? Or do you truly believe In trying over and over again? Living in hopes That some day you'll be in with the winners - - Allen Toussaint (thinking of Bonnie Raitt's version here) or Got to be a winner trophy winner got to hold your head up high Number One Number One Honey tell me when your working day is done Were you reaching for the high rung? Reaching to be number one? - -guess who? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:05:58 EDT From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: JT and Joni (SJC) In a message dated 10/8/02 6:49:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BRYAN8847@AOL.COM writes: Hi Bryan: > >I think that's a gross understatement. JT has had a zillion more hit > > singles than JM, even throughout the 80's. And, generally speaking, his > > songs are simply more...simple...which makes them resonate with the > > "general public." I'm not knocking him at all, I've always loved his work > > > (though I don't own any of it). > > Now me: > > I stipulate, in this case, to being the master of understatement. It > pained me to even write that, since I think so much of JM and continue to > be mystified by her lack of commercial appeal. Why don't they get it? It > made it easier to write by making a non-committal and flagrantly flighty > comparison. I, on the other hand, have succumbed to the charms of JT over the years and am a > member of the general public who own most of his works. He was > terrific in his performance at the Hollywood Bowl on the 4th of July. The > tradition of LA area folks making their way to the Bowl for 4th of July > fireworks concerts puts extra pressure on the Bowl to have "mainstream" > performers of no controversy. Typically, one will find Patti LaPone (sp?) > a Mauceri favorite, Trisha Yearwood, Peggy Lee (GRHS), and others of > similar mainstream-ness performing. The Patti LaBelle choice of a few > years back was unfortunate. (I love her, but her antics on stage, however > correct, were in horrid taste). Their choice of JT this year, performing > with orchestra conductor John Williams, put him in a class different from > any other in which I have considered him to reside. He also helped fill > the 20,000 seat venue, which was sold-out. Thanks for responding to my post, and thanks again, Deb, for bringing the issue up for discussion. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #414 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)