From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #413 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 413 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The 3 Great Letters [vince ] Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the Capitol (NJC! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS ["Lori Fye" ] NJC and Graham Nash quotes [vince ] music business and Joni Mitchell ["J Harney" ] Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS NJC NJC NJC [Mags N Brei ] RE: (NJC) PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS [Claud9 ] RE: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - Listen for Peace (NJC) ["Kat] Lyric alert! (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] njc peace flags and other items [vince ] Re: CMIAR [Deb Messling ] James Taylor article in NY Times [Deb Messling ] Re: NJC Sweet 16 & Pazfest [Michael Paz ] Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS [colin ] Re: Shootings (NJC) [colin ] Re: the war within NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Fw: the war within njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Shootings (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: CMIAR/Number 1 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Carole and James [Michael Paz ] Pazfest [FMYFL@aol.com] Daily Survival Kit NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: can I walk beside you NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: can I walk beside you NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #287 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: can I walk beside you NJC [nyroman ] Re: can I walk beside you...now War (the song) NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: James Taylor article in NY Times [CoyoteRick@aol.com] RE: can I walk beside you NJC ["Heather" ] Re: NJC Carole and James ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: PC on the JMDL, now with NJC! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: PC on the JMDL, now with NJC! [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:48:12 -0400 From: vince Subject: The 3 Great Letters I am sending this to everyone so the Joni-only people know we care: please, please everyone, with all that is going on, remember the 3 Great Letters: NJC - in every post title/subject unless it really is something the Joni Onlys want to read - with the speech tonight and whatever happens next there will be a flood of posts I am sure, and debate, and all that, and that is good, we are a family, of course we talk about everything, but we must respect the Joni Onlys. If there is ****any**** doubt, make it NJC. Peace-making includes respecting everyone. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:23:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the Capitol (NJC! brenda, thank you for posting this info...do you know of any links so i can read these documents? "Defense Planning for Guidance" documents produced by the Office of the Secretary of Defense in 1992 (Cheney) and 2002 (Rumsfeld - basically Cheney by proxy) "Defense Strategy for the 1990's" also written by Cheney. Rumsfeld's "Transforming the Military" published in the May/June issue of Foreign Affairs. ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:10:54 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS Ken wrote (but the Joni-onlies won't see his post): > Intentional omission of the NJC tag because you wish to disseminate > information about what you deem important is breaking the rules, > folks. Vince agreed about The 3 Great Letters: > but we must respect the Joni Onlys. If there is ****any**** doubt, > make it NJC. Hmm. I see the point, but I believe that sometimes it's permissible to break the rules. It doesn't happen very often, and when it does it's usually for a good reason (in the mind of the sender, at least), and it's almost always preceded by something like the first few lines of Claudia's recent post: > Dear friends. I apologize for the missing NJC, but I feel many of you > might like to know about this site since peace concerns us all, > regardless of political beliefs. I don't think it was Claud's intention for the responses to her post (supportive or otherwise) to sully the Joni-only list. Indeed, it's the responsibility of each of us to gauge the content of our posts and replies and add the NJC tag if warranted. Personally, were I subscribed to the Joni-only list, I would appreciate the chance to know the information offered by Claudia, Kate, and others. I'll reiterate that those kinds of posts don't occur that often. It doesn't bother me to delete or skip over them. Maybe I'm being a little too "Zen", and perhaps I'm in the minority on this. Opinions? Lori the Pollster ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:25:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: defense docs NJC brenda, thank you very much for posting this info...do you know of any links so i can read these documents? "Defense Planning for Guidance" documents produced by the Office of the Secretary of Defense in 1992 (Cheney) and 2002 (Rumsfeld - basically Cheney by proxy) "Defense Strategy for the 1990's" also written by Cheney. Rumsfeld's "Transforming the Military" published in the May/June issue of Foreign Affairs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:18:32 -0400 From: vince Subject: NJC and Graham Nash quotes someone wrote: > The 'slings and arrows' started with Susan, and Vince. On behalf of Susan, who I have never known to initiate anything negative, not in the years she has been a member here, and on behalf of myself, this statement is bullshit. I may make my point with certain amounts of passion but I try very hard to refrain from anything that is personal, desiring neither slings nor arrows. In fact, through the years. I have made it a habit to change "[name} said" to "someone said" just to avoid things being personal. I am sure that sometimes I say things unintentionally that someone else may be hurt be - and that happens to me, too - but if I want to fire a sling or an arrow or be personal, believe me, it will be utterly clear. But I do not desire that at all here, not in the JMDL family. Note that I said that the statement was bullshit and did not comment on who - whoever it may be - said it. Personal comments, calling people out by name, is simply not my style. Today a child was shot in the DC area. This is the 6th or 7th sniper death in the last, what, 4 days? Today is the anniversary of the commencement of the military actions against Afghanistan. The UN has been working on inspections in Iraq and we have a mad rush to violence rather than delay military might and see what happens with inspections first. The violence floating around is way, way too much. Whatever we talk about, the violence of our language, the accusations, the slings and arrows, needs to cease. Why do we talk about artists and not listen to what they say? Vince NPIMH: Nash's Military Madness In an upstairs room in Blackpool, by the side of the northern sea The army had my father, and my mother was having me Military madness was killing my country Solitary sadness comes over me And after the school was over, and I moved to the other side I found another country, but I never lost my pride Military madness was killing the country Solitary sadness creeps over me And after the wars are over, and the body count is finally filed I hope that man discovers, what's driving the people wild Military madness is killing the country So much sadness between you and me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:27:43 +0000 From: "J Harney" Subject: music business and Joni Mitchell The November '02 issue of Vanity Fair magazine is "The Music Issue" that contains a long-ish article ("Who Killed the Hit Machine" by Nick Tosches) about Warner Bros. Records, including some maneuvers to steer Joni Mitchell into the mainstream. I was disappointed that there wasn't more about her--mostly the article focuses on Mo Estin and Joe Smith. Also in the November issue of VF: memorable outdoor portraits of James Taylor (with his tiny twin sons), and Cassandra Wilson. Both shots happen to have the artists soaking wet. JH _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS NJC NJC NJC - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Personally, were I subscribed to the Joni-only list, I would > appreciate > the chance to know the information offered by Claudia, Kate, and > others. I'll reiterate that those kinds of posts don't occur that > often. It doesn't bother me to delete or skip over them. > > Maybe I'm being a little too "Zen", and perhaps I'm in the minority > on > this. Opinions? > Personally, I am an NJC list member. I respect the feelings and views of others on the list, JC and NJC and anything in between. On occasion, I have been guilty (shame shame on me) for posting something to the entire list. I thought might be of interest. (brians illness, i was so freaked out and needed support, or a post or two about our wedding news..yea that was our exuberance talking). Otherwise, I would not deliberately direct an NJC post to those who choose to read joni only material. imho, in my humble opinion, if i was on joni only and something came across my doorstep i would not read it. I might start to, and I would quickly, through swift deduction realize that it did contain something other than Joni material. just a note, I dont appreciate being yelled at because there are times when political conversations or other non Joni material do slip through the filter. Mags. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:31:07 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Shootings (NJC) > Today a child was shot in the DC area. > > This is the 6th or 7th sniper death in the last, what, 4 days? Since you brought that up, Vince ... The child is 13 years old and was shot outside his school this morning in Bowie, MD. He was NOT killed, thank goodness. He is in critical but stable condition. Likewise, the 43-yr-old woman who was shot in Spotsylvania County, VA, on Friday night was not killed. Her condition has been upgraded from serious to fair. This is the 8th shooting since Wednesday evening (not counting the bullet through the window at Michael's craft store, which did not hit anyone). The majority of bullet fragments appear to be from the same weapon. The reason I know so much about this is that the first 5 shootings occurred where I live, shop, and play. My house is in the center of the radius in which the shots were fired. I buy gas at those stations; one of them is across the street from my shrink's office. For me, this is personal. I'm still deciding whether to load and carry my .38 (or something larger and more lethal), just on the off chance I see this fucker. Probably I won't, but I am frustrated, angry, and yeah ... just a little bit unnerved. PEACE, Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:43:00 -0400 From: Claud9 Subject: RE: (NJC) PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS I apologise to all, I so rarely post. Thank you for the reminder. Claudia > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > Reply-To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:35:38 -0400 (EDT) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #412 > > Hi Folks- > > A gentle reminder about the NJC tags is in order. I'm not saying that the > discussion list be limited in it's scope of topics, however we need to > respect the rights of members who choose this to be a resource for Joni-only > information. It is unfair to circumvent this policy because someone has > decided that non-Joni information, be it impending war, or politics, or > smoking, or whatever, needs to reach even those members who wish to use this > resource for Joni discussion only. Intentional omission of the NJC tag > because you wish to disseminate information about what you deem important is > breaking the rules, folks. > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:04:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - Listen for Peace (NJC) >It is my observation that some find war as a solution to conflict much more promising and easier to envision than peace.< mine too claud & i have always thought this to be so odd...like you, i have always felt war was a bad idea... i've always been amazed at the tremendous resources that go into the war machine (intellectual, strategic, monetary, etc) & i've always wondered what this world would look like if all of those resources were placed in support of peaceful resolutions & environmentally protective measures (the 2 are so intertwined) i consider myself both an idealist & a pragmatist & i have learned how much the power of manifestation lies in the seeds of dreaming.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:56:55 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Lyric alert! (NJC) Kate wrote: > the power of manifestation lies in the seeds of dreaming.... and now I hope, Kate, that you will weave that into a song. : ) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:10:17 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc peace flags and other items Just in case you are looking for supplies - the 2nd link, thebird, is fabulous, many great links and things their, and wonderful flags made by people who are really committed http://www.peaceflags.org/ http://thebird.org/store/ click on flags! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:13:39 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: CMIAR Gee, I've always put Number One on my Worst list. What do you like about it? I'm not baiting you, I'm genuinely interested. At 09:40 AM 10/7/02 -0400, you wrote: > For me, CMIAR is an uneven album, however I think it contains two of >Joni's greatest and most brilliant songs, "Number One" and "The Beat of >Black Wings". - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:20:56 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: James Taylor article in NY Times The Sunday Times had an article, "James Taylor Teams Muse with Marketer" about his (and his record company's) successful effort to promote his new album. What is he doing that Joni's not doing? Why is it working for him? The article is available at http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/06/arts/music/06DECU.html I think you have to register to view it, but I'm not sure. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:47:32 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Sweet 16 & Pazfest Ok Mr. Muller THAT will be enough of THAT. Well sales have been pretty good so far but not as good as I had hoped for the 2 volume set. I was advised that the jazz one potentially did not carry as much weight. I think that is just a matter of perception and taste but I went with it cause I am trying to generate funds for a cause. I am still working on wider distribution as well and they may have more interest in that one. I will keep you advised you greedy bastard. You sir can just call me "Mikey Mikey The Love Bikey". Now you know why I call that crazy woman my wicked step sister. Paz on 10/6/02 7:26 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **Shit I missed sweet sixteen sometime. Was that a hand out I missed at the > NE > Fest or was this the Mini Fest last week??** > > > Well, we were listening to it and passing it around during *daylight* hours, > maybe that's how you missed out. But have no fear, just keep an eye on that > mailbox. > > I've been digging Pazfest ALL weekend long! Such good, good music...and I > love how Beth Patterson refers to you as "Michael Michael, love > cycle"...sorta like an earlier incarnation of the "Lord of Masculinity"! :~) > > Anyway, I was cleaning the house yesterday, and thanks to Pazfest (cranked > WAY up) I not only got it all done, I was totally enjoying myself. Except > when the MIGHTY 11:11 electrified Hejira came on, then I had to stop and just > absorb it. One of the more truly magical musical moments I've ever heard. > > When do we get the David Lahm & Jason Marsalis? I'm lovin' this 2-cd > masterpiece, but after all you know I'm a slut and a greedy bastard! :~D > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:57:53 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS In a message dated 10/7/2002 5:11:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > Hmm. I see the point, but I believe that sometimes it's permissible to > break the rules. It doesn't happen very often, and when it does it's > usually for a good reason (in the mind of the sender, at least), and > it's almost always preceded by something like the first few lines of > Claudia's recent post: > Whether or not the reason is deemed a good one is entirely subjective. The purpose of the NJC tag is to remove those folks who don't want to discuss non-Joni related matters. Period. That is why the NJC system is in place and that is why it works. I'm not saying that Claudia's cause of promoting peace isn't a worthy one--of course it is (IMHO). But discussions that are non-Joni-related, no matter what the sender's feelings about the matter, need to be tagged as such because that is the way the list has been set up and those are the guidelines that we agreed to upon membership here. It is not incumbent upon the Joni-onlies to then delete mail that was neither requested nor expected based upon the membership rules and guidelines. I'm sure that when the rules are broken, the sender does have the best of intentions in doing so. But Joni-onlies have made a decision about what they want this service to be in their lives, and this only works if we all remember the membership guidelines. It's a win-win situation if we play by the rules--you can discuss any issues you want, tag them NJC, and the Joni-onlies can take no part in that! Thanks for hearing me out! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 01:31:42 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS > Personally, were I subscribed to the Joni-only list, I would appreciate > the chance to know the information offered by Claudia, Kate, and > others. I'll reiterate that those kinds of posts don't occur that > often. It doesn't bother me to delete or skip over them. > > Maybe I'm being a little too "Zen", and perhaps I'm in the minority on > this. Opinions? > I have been guilty of forgetting to NJC. However, i disagree with you. It is very simple. If it isn't about Joni, then the NJC tag must go on. It isn't up to any of us to decide what is importnat or not. The Joni Onlies are not children. they made their decision and we must respect it. Forgetting is one thing, to delivberately leave it off becasue we think we know better is something else. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 01:36:38 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Shootings (NJC) > The reason I know so much about this is that the first 5 shootings > occurred where I live, shop, and play. My house is in the center of > the radius in which the shots were fired. I buy gas at those stations; I was reading this horror > > one of them is across the street from my shrink's office. this made me laugh at the irony > > > For me, this is personal. I'm still deciding whether to load and carry > my .38 (or something larger and more lethal), just on the off chance I > see this fucker. Probably I won't, but I am frustrated, angry, and > yeah ... just a little bit unnerved. and this made 'across the street from my shrink's off' even funnier. No I know it isn't a joke and an awful situation but the irony(if that is the right word) stands out. (in case I nedd to explain-iw as thinking you would need a shrink to live there) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:14:47 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: the war within NJC Cynthia wrote: > And, forgive me if I'm missing a point here, but don't "we" (the > "we" comprised of those who want/support this war - not me!) also > hope for *their* destruction???? Do "we" love them? Isn't it > easy for our side to be noble and theirs, evil? Well, I wrote the we in this instance Cynthia and I oppose action against Iraq, at least I did yesterday. After listening to the President, I don't know what I think. You make some very good points. I do know what I don't want. I don't want war. I don't friends to die in that war nor anyone else. After writing that, I guess I still oppose action against Iraq, right or wrong. Glad I am not making the decision. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:18:41 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Fw: the war within njc Erica posted: Kasey said to that: > > >Nice sentiments but realistic, no. I believe in love, dreams, and the > >power of music as well but they have nothing to do, in my opinion, with > >the realities of politics or war. Those were my words, not Kasey's. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:21:18 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR NJC LABELS Ken, I agree with most of your post, with this exception: > It's a win-win situation if we play by the rules--you can discuss > any issues you want, tag them NJC, and the Joni-onlies can take no > part in that! IMO (rarely humble), it seems like a bit of a losing situation if something of real importance - like the tools to attempt to prevent war - is missed, or if the Joni-onlies don't have the chance to join in the celebration of the marriage of two JMDLers, or if they aren't invited to the next JoniFest. However, I realize that it's their choice to opt for Joni-only, and you're right: rules are rules. A civilized society (and discussion list) demands their existence and adherence to them. Still, it's a loss in some ways. > Thanks for hearing me out! My pleasure, my friend! Lori, who breaks every rule she can and crosses her fingers she'll never end up in jail : ) ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:45:41 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: candi staton njc Yippee!!!!!!!!! After years of searching and trying to replace Candi's album "Young Hearts Run Free" that died on the 8 track tape it lived on, I found it on eBay. It is here. Damn. "What a feeling." Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:41:34 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Shootings (NJC) > and this made 'across the street from my shrink's off' even funnier. > > No I know it isn't a joke and an awful situation but the irony(if > that is the right word) stands out. I know, Colin, and I think it's ironic and amusing (to the extent that it can be), too! Glad you caught that. > (in case I nedd to explain-i was thinking you would need a shrink to > live there) Almost anyone who has lived in the Washington DC metropolitan area for any length of time will tell you that, yes, you certainly do!!! : ) Lori, looking in vain for her bullets ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:56:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR/Number 1 **Gee, I've always put Number One on my Worst list. What do you like about it? I'm not baiting you, I'm genuinely interested.** I'm pretty much with Dave...I would put Beat of BW as the best track on CMIAR, with #1 not far behind. I know your question was for Dave, and he can certainly respond as well. I like what the song says lyrically, even though it's not up to Joni's literate standard. "Oh there must be more to living Than a mortgage and a lawn to mow" This echoes in my head EVERY time I mow the lawn! Musically, it's OK too, I like the pulse of it. It would not be a contender on most of her other records, but on CMIAR it stands out among all the "Number 2's" :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:59:57 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: NJC Carole and James Hi Ya'll Just caught an amazing version of You've Got A Friend on Bravo's Songwriters Hall of Fames 2002. I also caught Rufus doing Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow and a little bit of Stevie Wonder. I saw Sting in the audience and I also saw Randy Newman and a few others. Wish I would have caught the whole thing. Heads up west coast!!!!!! It was a 2 hour special. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:10:28 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Pazfest After a wonderful vacation, I've returned home to the Pazfest "Tribute to Joni". I haven't seen any posts since I left, but I'm sure the folks who have received this CD have already posted. Michael, thank you so much for making this wonderful tribute possible. I listened to the CD's of Joni's music all day while unpacking. It brought back that wonderful time when I was at the Howling Wolf listening to all the incredible performers singing Joni's tunes. Glad to be back, and I think I missed that wonderful man Les Ross' birthday. So Happy Birthday Les (and any others I didn't know about) I missed you people! xoxo Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:30:04 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Daily Survival Kit NJC Toothpick....TO pick out the good qualities in yourself and others Rubber band...TO remind us to be flexible Band-aid......To remind us to heal hurt feelings Pencil.... To list our many blessings Eraser..... ..To say that mistakes are sometimes okay Chewing gum....To remind us to develop a stick-to-it attitude A mint............To remind us that we are each worth a mint Candy Kiss.......To remind us to give a kiss or a hug to someone every day Tape..............You decide Bree And of course Joni......... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: can I walk beside you NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Let me be counted in opposition to a war on Iraq. > > Thank you Marianne. Count me in too. > > Here I go again, throwing out my not-fully-informed > opinion (although I > doubt anyone here is fully informed about the > proposed war) ... And you are not the only ones. Many of us find the whole thing confusing. What the hell is going on? How informed are we, really? There was a rather funny column by Linwood Barclay in today's Toronto Star (link http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1026146106121&call_page=TS_News_Columnists&call_pageid=970599109774&call_pagepath=Columnists ) Cripes, is that link long enough for you or what? He is a humour columnist, so don't expect anything too serious. He suggests that, when things become too confusing, he turns to celebrity opinions for the answers. Despite the humour, however, he sums it all up for me in his second paragraph, which pretty much echoes the way I feel about this whole thing. To be honest, I'm not sure if I'm paying it as much attention as I should, but I find the more I read, watch and hear about it, the more confused I become. And then again, who do you trust to give you the whole story? Does anyone give the facts, just the facts anymore? Here's his 2nd paragraph: "As you can tell, I'm pretty confused. I've tried reading all the different papers, watching Newsworld and CNN. I've listened to Wolf Blitzer and his guests, watched the left and right foam at the mouth on Crossfire. I've tuned in to Larry King on several occasions, and the only thing I'm sure of is that Robert Blake probably did it. But as for the Iraq thing, the more information I get, the less I seem to know." I don't want war. I don't want my neighbours going to war. I don't want Iraqi kids killed when the point is supposed to be getting rid of Saddam Hussein (to be replaced with whom, I wonder? but that's another story). Maybe I've watched too many movies, but where are the trained assassins who could target the one they're really after? Why do we need bombs? Why not Bush and Hussein, boxing gloves, high noon, downtown Geneva? Where the hell is James Bond when you need him? Yup, I'm confused. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:35:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: can I walk beside you NJC --- Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > Just kinda seems ironic to me that WAR was the group > that had the big hit > with "Why Can't We Be Friends?" :~) > ... > > Speaking of War, I love their double live album, > especially "All Day Music" > & Slippin' Into Darkness". Ah yes - War! Helluva fine musical group; helluva crappy way to deal with things. Who was the original artist (or artists) who did the song that went, "War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'! Say it, say it, say it again!" (Bruce S did a later version - this was a black soul group, but was it the Temptations? Now this is gonna drive me nuts...) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:47:53 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #287 Has anyone heard anything about Browne's Naked Ride Home? There's gotta be a connection here! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:13:50 -0400 From: nyroman Subject: Re: can I walk beside you NJC Catherine McKay wrote: Who was the original artist (or artists) who did the > song that went, "War! What is it good for? Absolutely > nothin'! Say it, say it, say it again!" (Bruce S did a > later version - this was a black soul group, but was > it the Temptations? Now this is gonna drive me > nuts...) Hi Catherine, I believe that was Edwin Starr..... Best, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:13:42 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: can I walk beside you...now War (the song) NJC On 7 Oct 2002 at 23:13, nyroman wrote: > Catherine McKay wrote: > > Who was the original artist (or artists) who did the > > song that went, "War! What is it good for? Absolutely > > nothin'! Say it, say it, say it again!" (Bruce S did a > > later version - this was a black soul group, but was > > it the Temptations? Now this is gonna drive me > > nuts...) > > Hi Catherine, > > I believe that was Edwin Starr..... > > Best, > > Gary Gary's right - Edwin Starr did the definitive version. The Temptations did a recording as well on the Psychadelic Shack album. Both versions were produced by the writer, Norman Whitfield who sure pushed the boundaries of Berry Gordy's neat pop boxes! B n.p.: Giants @ Atlanta - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:17:06 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: PC on the JMDL Joniphiles - Hi folks. Time for one of my reminder messages. A few points pulled from the introductory letter you received when you subscribed: - ------------------ LIST ETIQUETTE: 1) ALWAYS USE "NJC" IF APPLICABLE!!!!! (I sit on the fence on tonight's debate about ultra-strict adherence to this, but think that 99% of the time is about right.) 4) Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance 5) Don't throw "crumbs": People sometimes tend to use the discussion list as a chat room. By this, we mean that they will post a simple "Me too!" or "I agree" in response to someone else's post - and that's it. (There is a chat room here: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm) 6) Post from within the ballpark: ...the JMDL is an unmoderated discussion of anything and everything related to the "life, art, music, and times of Joni Mitchell". We don't always talk about Joni but we try to "stay in the ballpark". - ----------------- I enjoy observing the political debates here but am troubled by the sheer force with which they tend to suddenly dominate the list. I'm offering a *suggestion* for the political debates. How about taking them elsewhere once they reach that fevered pitch? I've set up a JMDL-PC list at Yahoo. It would be great if a responsible debater could suggest that the discussion be moved there when it "reaches that point". Sign up is quick and immediate, by sending a message to "JMDLPC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com". You'll be subbed faster than you can get your boxing gloves laced up. Post messages to that list by sending them here: JMDLPC@yahoogroups.com Again, this is just a suggestion... I'm open for comments. Thanks for listening, Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:00:24 EDT From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: James Taylor article in NY Times Hi Deb and everyone else, too: I was so woefully behind on my JM email (800+ posts and I am JM only!) and decided tonight to delete everything until today's and was glad I didn't delete yours. I had EXACTLY the same thought when I read the article in the NY Times on Sunday. I've had October Road in my car CD player for the last six weeks or so having liked what I heard him do at the Hollywood Bowl on the 4th of July. Tonight, ironically, I thought of JT and his success of late vis-a-vis that of JM and her later efforts. Then I read your email. I think it may be due to their individual commercialism. Over the years, one could reasonably argue JT has been a bigger commercial success than JM. To me, this translates to a much larger core fan base willing to buy JT singing the phone book if that's what is available. Just like I would do with JM. Accordingly, when the record company puts forth a successful marketing effort, they pull in the core group as well as the "newcomers" or those that perhaps abandoned JT when he "lost his glitter." In short, I think success of the campaign is strictly dependent upon the marketability of the artist. I doubt an equally effective campaign would have garnered JM the same results as JT. We, among the informed, know of JM's gifts and contributions. But as we all have admitted from time to time, we are in the minority -- even among our own social/familial circles. There's a high hurdle for the marketer to clear from the start. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:33:40 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: can I walk beside you NJC Couldn't have said it better, Lori. Now go out and get your GAP bullet proof jean jacket and relax fit jeans ;-) which I am sure is available in every GAP store in the DC area. Take care .... and I hope they catch that rifle touting maniac soon. Best- Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:26 PM To: Marianne Rizzo; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: can I walk beside you NJC > Let me be counted in opposition to a war on Iraq. Thank you Marianne. Count me in too. Here I go again, throwing out my not-fully-informed opinion (although I doubt anyone here is fully informed about the proposed war) ... If nothing else (and I do think there much more to it), I believe attacking Iraq is a "quick fix" to give the American people another chance at "payback" for 9/11, and to make them feel "in control" again. Our efforts in Afghanistan certainly didn't produce much comfort. But guess what? We're NOT in control. No one appears to be. Further, if Saddam is truly such a threat, then suspend the executive orders that prohibit assassination, and remove HIM. Leave the citizens of Iraq alone. Lori NPIMH: the vision of a little garden planet (oasis in space), hurtling madly through the universe ... out of control ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:59:02 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Carole and James Thanks for the tip, Michael! James & Carole brought tears to my eyes. Sting's 'Roxeanne' was awesome! Man if you missed that, Paz you missed a good one! Mark E in Seattle > Hi Ya'll > Just caught an amazing version of You've Got A Friend on Bravo's Songwriters > Hall of Fames 2002. I also caught Rufus doing Will You Still Love Me > Tomorrow and a little bit of Stevie Wonder. I saw Sting in the audience and > I also saw Randy Newman and a few others. Wish I would have caught the whole > thing. Heads up west coast!!!!!! It was a 2 hour special. > > Best > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:12:21 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: PC on the JMDL, now with NJC! Les writes: << How about taking them elsewhere once they reach that fevered pitch? I've set up a JMDL-PC list at Yahoo. >> Great idea, Les. Thanks! Question: Will the JMDL-PC list have its own dating club? I am looking for a liberal Massachusetts-style Democrat who's not dead yet. Size is not important. (Not right at this moment, anyway.) Sincerely, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:23:37 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: PC on the JMDL, now with NJC! At 10/7/2002 11:12 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Question: Will the JMDL-PC list have its own dating club? Well of course Bob! No list is complete without it. Les ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #413 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)