From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #406 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 406 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: you put me through hell [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers - njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG ["gene mock" ] Re: I have paid for the right to complain! [dsk ] Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:40:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers **Although I can't recall what "Liver" is supposed to be?** I would think "River" Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:40:51 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: you put me through hell dsadowski@ameritech.net writes: << Is this the song you mean? Hell (You've Put Me Through) Cummings/Goodge Why don't you tell me that you love me Or show me your desire Your lies are fuel to the fire that is burning down below I will never know how you let our love go Started something...can't you see Sure have made a fool of me...and Hell...you've put me in Hell...thrown my love away Hell...when you put me under your spell...in hell >> The Muller wrote: << It was a parody done by the National Lampoon Crowd, performed by Nate Herman, recorded in the early 70's. I don't have the lyrics, but the track is available on the NatLamp box set, Buy This Box or We'll Shoot This Dog: The Best of the National Lampoon Radio Hour. >> And Deb said: <> Back to me: I AM CONFUSED!!! (Some news flash, huh?) Did dsadowsk post the correct lyrics to this Joni parody, or are the actual lyrics different? Then Azeem wrote: << A modern Joni parody might be rather different to "You put me through hell". I reckon it would be more along the lines of "I'm a misunderstood genius and everyone else makes rubbish music." >> Moi, encore: Or maybe it would be the original parody with a full orchestra! Thanks to all who have tried to help, and thanks anyone who can clear this up, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:49:46 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers - njc Oh....no worries..I'm definitely satisfied. Maybe three times a charm?..Third attempt at the JMDL dating club. ;-) (in only a year) Bree ><< I love that I make you laugh, Bree. >> > >This was SUPPOSED to be a private e-mail to Bree. I am trying to win her >heart so we can become the latest satisfied members (I love that term) of >the >JMDL Dating Club! > > --Bob _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:53:45 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: I have paid for the right to complain! An uncharacteristically bitter, venomous and vengeful Muller writes: << Have I done what she has? No. Has SHE done what I have? No. So what does that prove? >> All it proves is that you're no Joni Mitchell and that she's not the *nice* Bob . . . but then, neither am I! And maybe you're not the *nice* Bob anymore either. Come back, Muller! Please . . . don't steal my shtick! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:59:34 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG I wrote: > "49 Bye Byes," Oops, total Stills hallucination here - it was another Nash song that I always get mixed up with this one and that there are no brain cells left to recall LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:04:20 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: you put me through hell The song I quoted is by an Australian folk/pop artist named Stephen Cummings, who is not very well known at all here in the US, but has had some chart success down under. He has a web site where you can download a few tracks to listen to, although not the one in question, which is about ten years old. http://lovetown.net/mp3/index.html Although he is not the guy who did the National Lampoon parody (I guess that would be found on disc from their syndicated radio show from early 70s), it's not hard to see a bit of JM influence in his stuff, especially I Felt Light. But, after all, he's working in a folk/pop/jazz idiom. I found the chords to his song You Put Me Through Hell and the whole thing is built around three chords: Em, Em6, and Em7. Pretty strange. Could be that this tune got used in a film soundtrack somewhere down the line. Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >dsadowski@ameritech.net writes: > ><< Is this the song you mean? > >Hell (You've Put Me Through) > >Cummings/Goodge > >Why don't you tell me that you love me >Or show me your desire >Your lies are fuel to the fire that is burning down below >I will never know how you let our love go >Started something...can't you see >Sure have made a fool of me...and > >Hell...you've put me in >Hell...thrown my love away >Hell...when you put me under your spell...in hell >> > >The Muller wrote: > ><< It was a parody done by the National Lampoon Crowd, performed by Nate >Herman, recorded in the early 70's. I don't have the lyrics, but the track >is available on the NatLamp box set, > > Buy This Box or We'll Shoot This Dog: The Best of the National Lampoon > Radio Hour. >> > >And Deb said: > ><through hell, and the better I tell it, the better it'll sell." And in one >line she threatens to tell that he still wets the bed. It's a cute little >parody of seventies Joni with this free-form melody and lots of words and >extreme vocalization. >> > >Back to me: > >I AM CONFUSED!!! (Some news flash, huh?) > >Did dsadowsk post the correct lyrics to this Joni parody, or are the actual >lyrics different? > >Then Azeem wrote: > ><< A modern Joni parody might be rather different to "You put me through >hell". I reckon it would be more along the lines of "I'm a misunderstood >genius and everyone else makes rubbish music." >> > >Moi, encore: > >Or maybe it would be the original parody with a full orchestra! > >Thanks to all who have tried to help, and thanks anyone who can clear this up, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:08:35 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG kakki and darice, you both must have led a good life, because there sure is a lot of gooooood karma going your way. i wish things like that would happen in sacramento. thanks for the stories, gene green w/envy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kakki" To: "Michael Paz" ; "Joni Digest" Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG > I'm still exhausted but will try to hit some of the high points. It really > was a special night. Met up with Darice at HOB early and hardly anyone was > there so Darice just opened the door and walked in after we heard the > rehearsal going on. I followed, of course, and we got to listen to the > "pre-show" a bit. Then I had to go wait in the "Industry" line to pick up > our tickets from Guacamole Fund. We were chatting with two guys standing > behind us when one said "there's Joni!" as she slipped through the VIP > entrance. The guy sounded like he knew her but I didn't think much more > about it at that point. We waited a long time in the line because > apparently the guest list of several pages kept burgeoning and the powers > that be wanted to have it all finalized before they let anyone in. Once we > finally got in I was amazed to see that the audience was comprised of at > least 90% celebrities and family and friends of Graham and the band! It was > a strange feeling - being a regular folk - it felt like barging in on a > "private party" in a way. The actor Ed Begley, Jr. hung out at the bar with > us a bit and offered us some french fries. Nice man. Then the show began. > Graham and band (Kunkel, Klein, Pevar, Parks, Raymond) were just perfect > throughout the night and how could they not be? Interestingly, Graham only > played about 3 or 4 songs from his new album, and devoted the majority of > the show to all his best songs of the past 30 years. It was wonderful. At > least three times, he made references to Joni while starting a song! She > seemed to be definitely on his mind. He sang "I Used to Be a King" almost > right off the bat, the song that he claims to have written the day they > broke up. While he was playing the interlude from The Whale Song and right > in the middle segued to a bit of "River" before going on to "Wind on the > Water." Before another song that I don't recall now he said "Joni taught > me this crazy tuning!" at which point several in the audience starting > calling out for her to come down to the stage and sing with him, but she > didn't. He did beautiful renditions of "Pavanne", "Winchester Cathedral," > "49 Bye Byes," and also "Immigration Man," "Pre-Road Downs", Marrakesh > Express," "Wasted on the Way"" and "Military Madness." Graham's wife Susan > was standing next to us at one point and we talked to her a bit. She is > beautiful and very sweet. So you know me - had to go check out the smoking > porch upstairs and while I'm on my way there I run into the two guys from > the ticket line heading the same way (and passing Jackson Browne on the > way). So they start talking about Joni again and I asked if they knew her > and they said yes. I asked what the one guy did and he said he mastered > records - asked his name and he said Joe Gastwirt (!) This is the man who > did all the remastering of Joni's (and CSN's and Grateful Dead's and a host > of others ) albums for HDCD. He also did the CSN box set and Joni's "Hits." > Amazing - very friendly and nice guy and he said Joni and Graham are his > favorite people to work with. Back downstairs for more Graham, who > introduced with mock irony his first encore as "the song I will be singing > the rest of my fucking life" "Our House" ;-) and then ended with "Teach Your > Children." After the show Darice and I were supposed to meet John, the tour > manager up on the exclusive third floor because he was supposed to take us > into the dressing room. We got up there and he told us to wait just one > minute at which I ran out for another smoke, running into Joe Gastwirt > again. Darice followed me out. Well, it's all my fault because John came > out frantically looking for us and said he'd had them all lined up but > thought we'd left - argh! He did take us to meet Graham for a quick bit and > as we were heading that way, Joni was heading past us, probably to the > smoking porch! Ha! She really looked good - slim and stylish and healthy > but that was the last we saw of her. After meeting Graham, we headed into > the Foundation Room and hung out at the bar a bit with uber-photographer > Henry Diltz who was as fun and nice as ever. I made Darice show him the > blow-ups of Mick Jagger and Brian Jones that she took with her Brownie > camera in San Diego in 1964 - lol - he got a kick out of them. Mr. Klein > was sitting on the other side of us, but was with someone and we didn't > interrupt him ;-) Met some other interesting people and Darice will have > more to tell. It was really, really fun for these old girls ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:13:20 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG Kakki wrote: > > "49 Bye Byes," > Oops, total Stills hallucination here - it was another Nash song that I > always get mixed up with this one and that there are no brain cells left to > recall LOL Maybe Pre-Road Downs? I'm completely green with envy, but then I guess those are the advantages to living in LA, besides sun and palm trees! What a great night you had - you're going to have to write a book of all your adventures! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 00:13:34 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG as we were heading that way, Joni was heading past us, probably to the >smoking porch! Ha! She really looked good - slim and stylish and healthy >but that was the last we saw of her. At this point..I would have died.. of course, this is coming from someone who has never seen her up close and personal. You lucky girl you!! Great post.....thank you so much for sharing!! Just a big WOW!! >Mr. Klein was sitting on the other side of us, but was with someone and we didn't >interrupt him ;-) HMMMMMM?? Cute! Bree It was really, really fun for these old girls ;-) > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:10:03 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: How often does Joni read these messages? Hey Lori, Thanks for doing my work for me! ;-) That was quite an amazing afternoon. Although I now regret just a bit that I discouraged Stephen from taking a photo of Joni (I thought if we didn't act too much like "fans" she'd talk more, which she did!). Ah well. By the way, Joni still has a few friends who read the list at times, ahem! Kakki > The first post about this amazing hour can be found here: > http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2001.n451 > > Do a search for "Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck!" > > See also, in that same digest: "message from Stephen via Kakki bigtime > JC!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:54:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG Kakki writes: << She really looked good - slim and stylish and healthy >> And Darice said: << I turned to see joni's head "checking in" at the Foundation door. She looked happy, serene and beautiful. >> Gee, Darice and Kakki . . . I guess some people just lead more fabulous lives than others! It's nice to know you both had such a wonderful night and that Joni was slim, stylish, beautiful, happy and serene -- God love her. And how nice that Graham mentioned her so many times during his set. Stories like this leave me chicken scratching for my own brushes with greatness, but all I have is that tired old Ethel Merman record-signing story which I posted about two years ago. Maybe I should join the EMDL and be fabulous there! I LOVE LA and I am jealous that you had such a memorable night, although I am truly happy for you both. Thanks for your stories. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:21:08 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! hell wrote: > > I'm getting a little annoyed with the complaints about the price of Joni's > new CD set. > > This may be Joni's last recording effort, and I for one, will be paying > whatever it takes to obtain a copy. If you don't want to pay for it, don't > - it's as simple as that. The different comments so far show that it's not as simple as that for everyone. Sounds to me like you and someone else (I forget who now) who gave such pithy advice thinks the issue shouldn't be talked about at all. Why not? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:55:14 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: I have paid for the right to complain! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote in response to this: > > > **It probably is her last recording so maybe all > > of you should give the complaining a rest and think about the art and beauty > > she has given the world. Have any of us done what she has? ** > > I'm on a couple of other discussion lists where any kind of negativity gets > hushed by messages like this. Of the many wonderful things I love about this > group, one is that we get to go beyond being mere worshipful "fans" to being > able to speak openly, honestly & objectively and can do so with respect, > expecting to be treated with respect. > > I've plunked down (a lot of) my semi-hard-earned money for her work, and part > of the privilege of that is getting to state my opinion on it. I'm with you on this one, Mr. Momentarily Cranky Bob! No matter how it's said, it bugs me when people are told to be quiet about something. It seems healthy to me to wonder about and thoroughly discuss the "total Joni", even if it sometimes leads to less than worshipful things being said, or even, gasp, Complaints. We're all here because of appreciating Joni, so such "complaining" never lasts very long and adds a bit of spice to the mix. Sometimes it even helps me see things about Joni I hadn't noticed before, or appreciate her even more if I disagree with someone's negative comment. A big part of Joni's appeal for me is that she's so real. We all should be allowed to be real also. And that involves expressing, respectfully and honestly, how we view and feel about things. Debra Shea NPIMH: Joni singing... "I am not some stone commission like some statute in a park, I am flesh and blood and... something else..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:03:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG >It was really, really fun for these old girls ;-)< just color me green with envy...i really should have joined ya'll...what was i not thinking? thanks kakki & darice for the reports, glad you had so much fun! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:35:08 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG Darice here.... next time when i invite you, come on down, ya hear!!!!!!! all we needed was a redhead to round out the trio; blond, brunette and red. > >It was really, really fun for these old girls ;-)< > > just color me green with envy...i really should have joined ya'll...what was > i not thinking? thanks kakki & darice for the reports, glad you had so much > fun! > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com > Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs > Over the Moon- > "bringing the melancholy world of twilight > to life almost like magic" All Music Guide > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:52:42 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! - now NJC Debra wrote: > The different comments so far show that it's not as simple as that for > everyone. Sounds to me like you and someone else (I forget who now) who > gave such pithy advice thinks the issue shouldn't be talked about at > all. Why not? Nowhere in my post (maybe you should read it again) did I suggest that people shouldn't express their opinions on this subject, and all I was doing was expressing mine. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #406 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)