From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #405 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 405 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: This Just In!!!!!!(njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Graham show - Joni content ["kakki" ] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! NJC ["hell" ] Re: you put me through hell [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: desert island soundtracks NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #288 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately [Jerry Nota] Re: you put me through hell [Deb Messling ] jonionly- a strange boy etc. ["Sarah Cartwright" ] Re: jonionly- a strange boy etc. [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: you put me through hell [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! NJC ["Lori Fye" ] They're Trying To Wash Us Away (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Travelogue [nyroman ] RE: How often does Joni read these messages? ["Jerry Notaro" ] RE: How often does Joni read these messages? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Norah Jones NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: jonionly- a strange boy etc. [KJHSF@aol.com] Support Mammograms for Free (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #400 - Travelogue price [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: was Norah Jones...now Macy NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #402 - new releases and the market [BRYAN8847@aol.c] Re: Rich and fay/fey/ofay [Brenda ] Re: How often does Joni read these messages? [colin ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #403 [Kardinel@aol.com] RE: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately ["Heather" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #403 [David Sadowski ] Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Subject: This Just In!!!!!!(njc) congratulations on this exciting news victor! woooooohoooo indeed! do a ryan adams & record your cd with lots of songs... >Okay...here's the offical announcement. I will begin working on a new cd next Monday. I will be working with award winning songwriter and producer, Chris Rosser, who among other things has mastered the art of some stringed Indian instruments. His studio is located in Asheville.<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:01:28 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Graham show - Joni content Whoa, what a night. I'm too exhausted to tell the whole story now, but will report later. Whoa ho ho. Darice and I went to the House of Blues show tonight and had the most excellent of adventures! Joni was there looking absolutely stunning in a silk black crinkle Miyake two-piece. She didn't sing but everyone was calling for her to join in. What a night. More later, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:36:31 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! NJC Catherine wrote: > How does the NZ$ compare to the US$? Just wondering > because, even though I often think we pay a *lot* for > CDs in Canada, by the time you figure out exchange > rates, we probably pay something equivalent to what > the Americans do. Most CDs I've seen in stores (not > doubles) cost around $20 Canadian, give or take a few > bucks. I don't think a direct comparison is possible. At the current exchange rate, USD$10 = NZD$21. But that doesn't take into account the cost of living, etc. (which seems to be higher here). From the research I've done on employment in the US (which is extensive!) the salaries are similar, for example, if I was making $40,000 here, I'd be making about the same in the US for the same job. That definitely makes us more expensive! In other words, even though our CDs are twice as expensive, my salary isn't twice as much (at face value) to compensate! I've used Amazon etc. a few times, for things I can't get here. I've also ordered other things (like Jonatha Brooke's signed CD - that cost me around $55) but only as a last resort. Personally, I'd rather just live over there - for more than one reason! > I'm appalled at how much people in the UK, New > Zealand, Australia & so on end up paying (because you > live on islands? could that be it?) so, when you look > at it that way, we shouldn't whine so much. We are a long way from the USA, and to sell US products you have to get them here first. The shipping alone must contribute to the retail cost. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:51:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: you put me through hell <> It was a parody done by the National Lampoon Crowd, performed by Nate Herman, recorded in the early 70's. I don't have the lyrics, but the track is available on the NatLamp box set, Buy This Box or We'll Shoot This Dog: The Best of the National Lampoon Radio Hour. Other (JC) Parodies on the collection include: Methadone Maintenance Man (James Taylor Parody) Southern California Brings Me Down (Neil Young Parody) Bob NP: Warren Zevon, "Lawyers, Guns & Money (live)" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Besides, with the thrown in artwork and the extra special price I got (even an on an advanced order) I figured it was worth it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:32:21 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Paz writes: > > << I AM NOT easy dammit. I may be the only living JMDL'er (who hath been to a > Jonifest) > that resisted seeing your penis! >> > > No, Paz. Fact is the entire Lez cottage turned away in horror when I tried to > show them Little Ethel! Little Ethel Mae Potter We Never Forget 'er. Little Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:34:35 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: you put me through hell As I recall, the song starts "I'm gonna tell everybody how you put me through hell, and the better I tell it, the better it'll sell." And in one line she threatens to tell that he still wets the bed. It's a cute little parody of seventies Joni with this free-form melody and lots of words and extreme vocalization. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:03:09 +0100 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: jonionly- a strange boy etc. Hi , I'm new to this amazing list so please forgive me if my questions have been answered before! I got into Joni through my father a few years ago and now am a complete Joni-obsessive. I have just recently bought 'Hejira', after I saw it recently came above 'Blue' in your album poll ( is that a tragic reason for buying an album?!!!) . Have to say I still think I prefer the earlier sounds of LOTC and Blue, but absolutley adore Song for Sharon, and A Strange Boy. So, I was just wondering if anyone knows what is being sung as that high chorus-type refrain in Song for Sharon, and also who, if anyone, was Joni referring to in A Strange Boy? Bye for now sarah, Scotland, UK - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:27:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: jonionly- a strange boy etc. <> Thanks for the intro, congratulations on your discovery (of Joni AND of the JMDL), and also hats off to your Dad for showing you the way! Welcome! Your questions are good ones, they've been asked before, but never answered that I can recall. The refrain in SFS has always sounded to me like a mono-syllabic chant, not really a specific lyric one. And as for the subject of 'A Strange Boy", that also remains a mystery. A rascally member once concocted a WONDERFUL lie about his adventure with Joni and how this song was writtena about him. Fished in a lot of folks including me! Look forward to hearing lots more from you! Bob NP: ZZ Top, "A Fool For Your Stockings" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:42:04 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: you put me through hell In a message dated 03/10/2002 12:52:14 GMT Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluor.com writes: << Buy This Box or We'll Shoot This Dog: The Best of the National Lampoon Radio Hour. Other (JC) Parodies on the collection include: Methadone Maintenance Man (James Taylor Parody) Southern California Brings Me Down (Neil Young Parody) >> National Lampoon isn't as much of an institution here as it is over there; however, I do remember enjoying one called "Stevie Nicks - Isn't She A Fox?", a very accurate skit on her ethereal warbling style and the impenetrability of her lyrics. There was also a John Lennon one which was very difficult to play on the radio owing to the ripe language. A modern Joni parody might be rather different to "You put me through hell". I reckon it would be more along the lines of "I'm a misunderstood genius and everyone else makes rubbish music." Only a bit more, you know, funny... Where are the list parody experts?? Azeem in London NP: Suzanne Vega - 99.9F - wonderful title song from her best album, even if Joni doesn't rate her... PS Welcome to the list Sarah, good to see another Brit here! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:21:05 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! NJC Hell wrote: > But that doesn't take into account the cost of > living, etc. (which seems to be higher here). Except for the price of a game of golf, which is ridiculously inexpensive in New Zealand! Lori, who loathes golf but appreciates a good deal ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:50:36 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: They're Trying To Wash Us Away (NJC) Well we have survived so far. Still have power, still have 35 trees in my back yard (all still standing), still no water in the house other than one drip from the skylight. It got pretty scary over night with the wind gusts, but I think the worst is over now. Just thought I would check in and say hi. We have cancelled any further tropical storms for the rest of the season. Many of the local radicals are thinking that it is all some sort of plot to flush us out so to speak (fade in Randy Newman here). Love Paz NP-In Spite of Everything-Brian Blade Fellowship ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:02:43 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni content Kakki It sounds wonderful I wish I could have been there with you guys. I am at home today in the midst of a hurricane if you feel inclined to WAKE UP AND CALL ME just to keep me entertained so to speak!. Glad you guys had fun! Love Paz on 10/3/02 2:01 AM, kakki at kakkib@vzavenue.net wrote: > Whoa, what a night. I'm too exhausted to tell the whole story now, but will > report later. Whoa ho ho. Darice and I went to the House of Blues show > tonight and had the most excellent of adventures! Joni was there looking > absolutely stunning in a silk black crinkle Miyake two-piece. She didn't > sing but everyone was calling for her to join in. What a night. > > More later, > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:25:33 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: How often does Joni read these messages? I read in article recently at the JMDL site in the "Library section" where Joni has said that she has read some of these messages.She finds it interesting to check up on the gossip about her,but worries it could become an unhealthy thing if carried too far.Does anyone knoe how often Joni checks in here?by the way,how many people here have had the plesure of meeting Joni personally? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:44:38 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! i love it also - as far as the pics go mine work with tape on the back and i just stick them around. i can't wait to get my hands on Pazfest - let me know when i can pay with plastic or Paypal. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:44:05 -0400 From: nyroman Subject: Travelogue For those interested, I see that CDuniverse.com will be selling "Travelogue" at $25.39. Best, Gary http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=MUSIC&pid=5311236&cart=127925203 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:38:59 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: How often does Joni read these messages? I'm not aware of her reading messages, but I do know she read the bio section of the cookbook that we gave her. She was VERY pleased with it. And I mean she really read it all. As far as meeting Joni stories, there are many. I hope if people post them again that we can collect them somewhere on JMDL. They are always a delight to read, especially since they demonstrate how gracious and generous Joni is with her fans. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Relayer211@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: Joni@smoe.org Subject: How often does Joni read these messages? I read in article recently at the JMDL site in the "Library section" where Joni has said that she has read some of these messages.She finds it interesting to check up on the gossip about her,but worries it could become an unhealthy thing if carried too far.Does anyone knoe how often Joni checks in here?by the way,how many people here have had the plesure of meeting Joni personally? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:58:55 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: How often does Joni read these messages? Relayer wrote: >Does anyone knoe how >often Joni checks in here? Then Jerry wrote: >I'm not aware of her reading messages, but I do know she read the bio >section of the cookbook that we gave her. She was VERY pleased with it. And >I mean she really read it all. As far as meeting Joni stories, there are >many. I hope if people post them again that we can collect them somewhere on >JMDL. At the time that article was written (1997), Joni had a friend who was a member of the list and would print out certain digests for Joni to read. I can't imagine that Joni has really read much if anything since then. As for all the personal Joni stories... why yes! There is already a section on the JMDL to collect those. The section is called "Blondes in the Bleachers" (get it? cute, huh? :-) and can be found here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances It started out as a section listing all her performances but has evolved into a concert review/Joni sighting area. I want to encourage contributions from all who have a personal Joni story or a concert review to share. Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:43:56 -0400 From: "Darice(darice@mindspring.com)" Subject: Graham, HOB, post delayed(njc) I just spent an hour typing up my post about last night AND LOST IT before I could send it. I am too exhausted after re-living last night to do it again, so will post later. Just talked to PAZ. All is well there and I filled him in on the high points. I think my statement was something like "Last night was so amazing; it was even better than the night I was hugged by a drunk but still standing Jim Morrison." more later, I'm off to do some shopping. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:21:34 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Graham, HOB, post delayed(njc) <<"Last night was so amazing; it was even better than the night I was hugged by a drunk but still standing Jim Morrison.">> Darice! you are a TEASE!!!!! cindy, who is salivating for DETAIL! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:30:43 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC At 03:30 PM 10/2/2002 -0700, Brenda wrote: >I think the hype started with the word of mouth among industry and press >in New >York and the masterful marketing job done by Bruce Lundvall's team around the >release of the EP last year - all to set up the release of the album this >year. I couldn't agree more with this statement. Her success was all but guaranteed following the EP, her touring, and the radio play, coupled with word-of-mouth and the press she received. My local NPR station played the EP continuously (something that *rarely* happens here), whetting many appetities the first album. I found it pretty phenomenal that someone so young and unheard of would garner so much attention. If you're looking to make a name for yourself I would definitely suggest getting a spot on this "team." The good news, IMO, is that she's up to the task. I find her minimalist approach very refreshing and honest. Her arrangements defy pigeonholing and I think she has great style. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:42:44 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: How often does Joni read these messages? Les wrote, of http://www.jmdl.com/performances: > It started out as a section listing all her performances but has > evolved into a concert review/Joni sighting area. I want to > encourage contributions from all who have a personal Joni story or a > concert review to share. Hey, Kakki? Stephen? How about retelling the story of your meeting with Joni last year?? The first post about this amazing hour can be found here: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2001.n451 Do a search for "Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck!" See also, in that same digest: "message from Stephen via Kakki bigtime JC!" And you know, there may be more! : ) Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:09:11 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Lyric I spent part of 9-11-02 listening to early Joni Mitchell and was inspired to write a song somewhat influenced by her style. (Incidentally, I went into a coffee shop that day and someone else was also playing her stuff.) Here's the lyric: Now That the Worst is Over Now that the worst is over Now that it's finally through Now that the worst is over What will you do Now that your heart's been broken Will you unlock the door Some things are left unspoken But that's not what we're here for When will we see the sun rise Now that the night is through Now that we're waking up There's still so much to do We'll never forget what happened We'll never forget the children We'll never forget the missing Each and every one Now that the worst is over Now that it's finally done Weve got to find the strength To carry on ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:43:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC <> This is the bottom line, I would say...we are very prey to hype, but if it doesn't deliver the goods it quickly falls off the radar screen. Norah delivers the goods, I think. She doesn't seem to be a pre-fabricated "star", just a solid talent who had good buzz and has the talent to stick around. In the interviews I've read, she comes off as accessible and unpretentious. Everytime I play her CD for someone who's not heard of her, you can just see the ears perk up and ask "hey - who's that?" Hopefully her next project won't be overproduced and bloated. That happened with Macy Gray imo...a lot of what I liked about her first record wasn't on her follow-up. Bob NP: Shelby Lynne, "Lookin' Up" (I'm such a sucker for sexy yellow-haired singers...) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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If you're listening to Song For Sharon that closely already, it won't be long before most of her music gets under your skin. The entire Hejira album is pretty advanced stuff! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:07:44 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Support Mammograms for Free (NJC) This seems to be a worthwhile and easy "double-click" designed to fund free mammograms. Please tell 10 friends to tell 10 friends today! The Breast Cancer site is having trouble getting enough people to click on it daily to meet their quota of donating at least one free mammogram a day to an underprivileged woman. It takes less than a minute to go to their site and click on "Fund Free Mammograms" for free (pink window in the middle). (There is nothing to sign up for and no cost to you.) The corporate sponsors/advertisers use the number of daily visits to donate a mammogram in exchange for advertising. Here's the website - Pass it along to all your friends!! http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ AGAIN, PLEASE TELL 10 FRIENDS TO TELL 10 FRIENDS ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:43:12 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: RE: shadows & light book kate wrote >>>>>anyone know how i can get a copy of this book? both online sources say it is unavailable..<<< Hi Kate did you come right with this yet?? if you didnt it is available here in softcover R 468.95 (around USD 45.00) or in softcover for R 248.95 (around usd 24.00) Ron np - beth orton - Don't Wanna Know 'Bout Evil - i **finally** managed to get a copy of superpinkymandy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:33:30 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #400 - Travelogue price That's the full, list price. Amazon dropped the price to $20-something yesterday. I'm sure lots of stores will sell it (if they sell it at all) for around $25. Bryan it will cost $34.98. Is that the going > rate for a > 2-cd release? Seems unusually pricey to me. > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:33:47 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: was Norah Jones...now Macy NJC On 3 Oct 2002 at 15:43, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Hopefully her next project won't be overproduced and bloated. That > happened with Macy Gray imo...a lot of what I liked about her first > record wasn't on her follow-up. > I think the problem with Macy was that she smoked way too much cheeba and was left to her own devices. Andy Slater was missed. She also suffered from the typical sophomore slump - a lot less time to come up with songs. All that production could not hide weakness of the songs themselves. Brenda n.p.: St. Louis 1 - Arizona 0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:43:52 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #402 - new releases and the market > My point is that at this time in the music world, Joni's > new release > generates little to no excitement. Maybe...but on the other hand, why do we see big articles about Joni and her new works in the New York Times, LA Times and national news magazines, with every release? I think her publicity people do a good job of getting her press....but her record company makes dumb, dumb marketing decisions on her products...such as releasing the wrong singles to the wrong radio formats (I've gone off on that one before)...and we all know how much the book publisher screwed up the lyrics book. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:05:05 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Rich and fay/fey/ofay On 16 Sep 2002 at 17:48, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > On reflection, "ofay", having its origin in the 1920's > as a disparaging racist term for a white is pretty > close to the flavor of Furry's naked dislike, rooted > in the Memphis racism of the 30s. At minimum it > certainly enriches the word choice. To me, it's > likely that she skillfully used the word "fey", > knowing that it would also imply "ofay". > > This business of calling herself by a disparaging name > reminds me of "Talk To Me" from the very next year, > where she's saying > Well, I realize I'm weighing in very, very late on this one, but "Furry" is one of my favorites. I agree with Jim. And I don't think the spelling of "fay" rather than "fey" is an error. As I posted during a previous discussion of this, I had a great grand uncle who was a "race music" (i.e., gospel, blues) promoter in the South from the late 20's up to the early 70's. I remember him talking about the musicians he knew, trips they took and the problems they had. The term fay for ofay was common language, particularly for people who routinely denied them access to meals after shows, a safe place to sleep, etc. I think Joni's choice of this word fits with her description of Memphis and it's unfortunate decline. A few years ago I had the pleasure of working with Isaac Hayes who took me on a tour of Memphis - not the tourist stops but the places where songs were written and records were made - woodsheding spots. Neighborhoods and houses where legends were born and raised. Most of the places I saw are indeed "waiting for the wreckers' beat." I met a number of people there who attributed the state of affairs to the overall economic disparity between the races in that city. Brenda n.p.: St. Louis v. Arizona Go Angels! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:16:14 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: How often does Joni read these messages? I'd hate to think Joni was reading this list. if she has read any of my posts, the poor woman probably immediately paid out for tighter security..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:13:03 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers That was soooo funnny, but I am a bit slow, What is "Dental Crown" supposed to be??? Blair _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:22:5 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers > That was soooo funnny, but I am a bit slow, > What is "Dental Crown" supposed to be??? > Blair > > That would be Dancin' Clown. Victor, unusually tired for some reason... - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:44:49 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: top 10 (12) desert island operas njc I saw Swan Lake just recently on video....I find that Russian guys music pretty stirring. I see where you have not listed him down below....but I believe his name begins with a T..chi something? Bree >Le Nozze di Figaro (Mozart) > >Carmen (Bizet) > >Aida (Verdi) > >Traviata (Verdi) > >Don Giovanni (Mozart) > >Cavilleria Rusticana (Mascagni) > >Pagliacci (Leoncavallo) > >Susannah (Floyd) > >Xerxes (Handel) > >Rigoletto (Verdi) > >Manon Lescaut (Puccini) > >Thais (Masssenet) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 20:13:05 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: top 10 (12) desert island operas njc Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I saw Swan Lake just recently on video....I find that Russian guys music > pretty stirring. I see where you have not listed him down below....but I > believe his name begins with a T..chi something? > My favorite work by Piotr Tchaikovsky would be Capriccio Italien, and everybody loves the 1812 Overture; the only opera by Tchaikovsky that I have heard is Eugen Onegin, which I liked but I don't know it well enough to evaluate it. As for Swan Lake, with the Nutcracker, two of the world's greatest ballets, and he also did Sleeping Beauty... but it would be a challenge to me to name 10 ballets total! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:48:32 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #403 I saw the Rolling Stone's new collection of oldies for 29.95 today. thought I should let all of you know. I a m reading a lot of complaining about the price of the Joni Mitchell CD. It probably is her last recording so maybe all of you should give the complaining a rest and think about the art and beauty she has given the world. Have any of us done what she has? True, there should be more interest in Joni Mitchell than there is but she is highly regarded and almost mythical. Being older in the music industry doesn't help esp when one is female. I can't help feeling melancholy about this being maybe her last recording and can't believe it has been almost 25 years since I first heard her first recording. I am getting old too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:00:44 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately Dennis Quaid can use any accent he wants! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Michael Paz Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:35 AM To: Bob Murphy; Kate Bennett; Joni Digest Subject: Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately Great reading for me on this post except for this part Big Bobber. I AM NOT easy dammit. I may be the only living JMDL'er (who hath been to a Jonifest) that resisted seeing your penis! It is a great soundtrack though even tho the movie kinda sucked. Dennis' (Quaid) accent was WAY bad cher tain't nobody talwk like dat round here (BUT we do still love him). It was the movie that he was working on when he met Dr. Heiman and became involved with Honduras and working with dear old mom. Paz on 10/1/02 9:52 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > #5. The Big Easy > > Long before it was Michael Paz's nickname, the Big Easy was a great > soundtrack album to a movie I have still never seen. "Iko Iko" absolutely > does weird things to me, and "Tipitina" and "Closer to You" make me turn on > the air conditioning in December. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 20:13:45 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #403 Let's hope it's not her last recording... she's the Georgia O'Keefe of popular music, who knows, maybe she'll live as long. Kardinel@aol.com wrote: >I saw the Rolling Stone's new collection of oldies for 29.95 today. thought I >should let all of you know. I a m reading a lot of complaining about the >price of the Joni Mitchell CD. It probably is her last recording so maybe all >of you should give the complaining a rest and think about the art and beauty >she has given the world. Have any of us done what she has? True, there should >be more interest in Joni Mitchell than there is but she is highly regarded >and almost mythical. Being older in the music industry doesn't help esp when >one is female. I can't help feeling melancholy about this being maybe her >last recording and can't believe it has been almost 25 years since I first >heard her first recording. I am getting old too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:24:37 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers Hilarious!!!!!! You are just too much!! I feel like sending you something....you make me laugh...real genuine laughter! Bree >Big Yellow Stain > >And my favorite . . . > > Urge for Going! > > --Bob _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:58:55 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Diana Krall: Live In Paris (definite JC) > Just picked up Diana Krall's latest CD, 'Live In Paris.' It was out on >DVD not too long in a more complete presentation of this concert, but this >CD works really well. a bootleg/transfer/MP3 of "A Case Of You" look no >further. The version here is a slower, but fantastic. Score another one >for this talented lady... Hi Jerome! I have this on video. I saw the lovely and talented DK twice on her "Look of Love" tour. She did not do ACOY in Cincinnati but did in Louisville, KY. The shame of it was that the Louisville audience....hmmmm..how can I say this...well..they were a little less sophisticated and less knowledgeable. She would throw out these names, legends (including Joni)..these icons of the jazz world....and she did not get much response. (I was embarrassed for her and KY as well) (of course, I hoot and hollered when she mentioned Joni...chills ran up and down my spine...) The audience was not with her like they were in Cincy. In fact...she felt it and cut the concert short....it was palpable!! Now...in Cincy...she even commented on our enthusiasm....and did two encores. I wish she had done ACOY in Cincinnati..because in Louisville....she wanted out of there!! Bree Np: Joni .... out of the fire and still smoldering.... >-Jerome > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:21:45 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG I'm still exhausted but will try to hit some of the high points. It really was a special night. Met up with Darice at HOB early and hardly anyone was there so Darice just opened the door and walked in after we heard the rehearsal going on. I followed, of course, and we got to listen to the "pre-show" a bit. Then I had to go wait in the "Industry" line to pick up our tickets from Guacamole Fund. We were chatting with two guys standing behind us when one said "there's Joni!" as she slipped through the VIP entrance. The guy sounded like he knew her but I didn't think much more about it at that point. We waited a long time in the line because apparently the guest list of several pages kept burgeoning and the powers that be wanted to have it all finalized before they let anyone in. Once we finally got in I was amazed to see that the audience was comprised of at least 90% celebrities and family and friends of Graham and the band! It was a strange feeling - being a regular folk - it felt like barging in on a "private party" in a way. The actor Ed Begley, Jr. hung out at the bar with us a bit and offered us some french fries. Nice man. Then the show began. Graham and band (Kunkel, Klein, Pevar, Parks, Raymond) were just perfect throughout the night and how could they not be? Interestingly, Graham only played about 3 or 4 songs from his new album, and devoted the majority of the show to all his best songs of the past 30 years. It was wonderful. At least three times, he made references to Joni while starting a song! She seemed to be definitely on his mind. He sang "I Used to Be a King" almost right off the bat, the song that he claims to have written the day they broke up. While he was playing the interlude from The Whale Song and right in the middle segued to a bit of "River" before going on to "Wind on the Water." Before another song that I don't recall now he said "Joni taught me this crazy tuning!" at which point several in the audience starting calling out for her to come down to the stage and sing with him, but she didn't. He did beautiful renditions of "Pavanne", "Winchester Cathedral," "49 Bye Byes," and also "Immigration Man," "Pre-Road Downs", Marrakesh Express," "Wasted on the Way"" and "Military Madness." Graham's wife Susan was standing next to us at one point and we talked to her a bit. She is beautiful and very sweet. So you know me - had to go check out the smoking porch upstairs and while I'm on my way there I run into the two guys from the ticket line heading the same way (and passing Jackson Browne on the way). So they start talking about Joni again and I asked if they knew her and they said yes. I asked what the one guy did and he said he mastered records - asked his name and he said Joe Gastwirt (!) This is the man who did all the remastering of Joni's (and CSN's and Grateful Dead's and a host of others ) albums for HDCD. He also did the CSN box set and Joni's "Hits." Amazing - very friendly and nice guy and he said Joni and Graham are his favorite people to work with. Back downstairs for more Graham, who introduced with mock irony his first encore as "the song I will be singing the rest of my fucking life" "Our House" ;-) and then ended with "Teach Your Children." After the show Darice and I were supposed to meet John, the tour manager up on the exclusive third floor because he was supposed to take us into the dressing room. We got up there and he told us to wait just one minute at which I ran out for another smoke, running into Joe Gastwirt again. Darice followed me out. Well, it's all my fault because John came out frantically looking for us and said he'd had them all lined up but thought we'd left - argh! He did take us to meet Graham for a quick bit and as we were heading that way, Joni was heading past us, probably to the smoking porch! Ha! She really looked good - slim and stylish and healthy but that was the last we saw of her. After meeting Graham, we headed into the Foundation Room and hung out at the bar a bit with uber-photographer Henry Diltz who was as fun and nice as ever. I made Darice show him the blow-ups of Mick Jagger and Brian Jones that she took with her Brownie camera in San Diego in 1964 - lol - he got a kick out of them. Mr. Klein was sitting on the other side of us, but was with someone and we didn't interrupt him ;-) Met some other interesting people and Darice will have more to tell. It was really, really fun for these old girls ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:58:55 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: How often does Joni read these messages? - njc Colin writes: << if she has read any of my posts, the poor woman probably immediately paid out for tighter security..... >> We all have, Colin! But even so, each one of us keeps hoping that this will be the year we win the Colin sweater at Jonifest . . . XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:04:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers << you make me laugh...real genuine laughter! >> I love that I make you laugh, Bree. It gives me a charge to know that I am making someone out there laugh! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:18:26 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers - njc I wrote: << I love that I make you laugh, Bree. >> This was SUPPOSED to be a private e-mail to Bree. I am trying to win her heart so we can become the latest satisfied members (I love that term) of the JMDL Dating Club! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:31:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: I have paid for the right to complain! **It probably is her last recording so maybe all of you should give the complaining a rest and think about the art and beauty she has given the world. Have any of us done what she has? ** I'm on a couple of other discussion lists where any kind of negativity gets hushed by messages like this. Of the many wonderful things I love about this group, one is that we get to go beyond being mere worshipful "fans" to being able to speak openly, honestly & objectively and can do so with respect, expecting to be treated with respect. I've plunked down (a lot of) my semi-hard-earned money for her work, and part of the privilege of that is getting to state my opinion on it. Besides, don't count her out so soon...many of her contemporaries, with considerably less talent, are still in the game. Hell, Solomon Burke has one of the year's best records out and he's been going a lot longer than Joni! (And probably has a bigger bone to pick with being burned by the music business). Besides, if we don't discuss her newer stuff, we're no better than the poor folks who quit on her after the seventies. And all that being said, I AM excited about this new project. And it looks like the pricing will be on par with other collections similar to it. Have I done what she has? No. Has SHE done what I have? No. So what does that prove? Bob, a cranky old man tonight... NP: Vic Soul, "Night Ride Home" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:33:12 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers Bob, those were hilarious! Especially "Ray's Last Heart Attack" and "The Three Great Denture Mints" ! Heehee! Although I can't recall what "Liver" is supposed to be? The first time that I heard the title "Urge For Going" I thought the same thing! Mia NP: "Sweet Euphoria" - Chris Cornell _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:37:03 -0400 From: "Darice(darice@mindspring.com)" Subject: Graham at HOB (sjc) When Kakki first called me to tell me about the HOB date, I knew that I wanted to be in LA for it. Finaly,after many volunteer jobs with Avocado/Guacamole, standing in the rain selling t-shirts and working tables in the lobby (hearing but not seeing the show)while others got to usher, these "Gold Circle" seats proved worth it. Granted,they were expensive and there were no "seats" and I was so tired after flying in from SF, going first to Burbank, to see Jackson Browne tape the Jay Leno show Braving rush hour traffic, I arrived at HOB just before 7:00pm (doing a fast change of clothes in the car). The HOB is just across the street from the "infamous" Sunset Hyatt, a huge part of local (and personal) music history. The will call window sent me to the "industry window", saying the window would open around 7:30. While waiting for this elusive "window" and discussing the old LA club the Hullabaloo (where I saw the Yardbirds) with some other early arrivals, Kakki came over from valet parking. As soon as she got there, music and Graham's voice was heard from the door nearest us, so I went in hoping to find the "industry" window. Instead we got to see and hear the soundcheck. What a treat, especially hearing Pevar and others practicing the harmonies. The "guest" list was a huge volume and seemed to be in no particular order.While "patiently" waiting, I was enthusing about the Fillmore as a venue, citing some of the great shows I have seen there and that musicians really appreciate the venue. This led to a discussion with one of the men in the crowd about Tom Petty's legendary 20 (or so) night run at the Fillmore. In the middle of this, the guy (later identified as Joe G) said"look there's Joni" I turned to see joni's head "checking in" at the Foundation door. She looked happy, serene and beautiful. Obviously, the "stars" were in attendance. While waiting at the bar for my one glass of wine and the food, Ed Begley Jr (the environmentalist!) offered me some of his french fries. Since Ed had just visited Hopland (in my backyard)for a benefit called Solfest, the conversation switched to conservation and my newly planted organic strawberry fields. Soon, we were exchanging ways to control the sowbugs and organic pest control (these types of conversations just seem to happen to me). Ed is very sweet and "real". This set the tone for the rest of the evening. The audience seemed to be made up of "celebrities" and industry types, and there was some instances of the typical "Hollywood" pretensions. The "Hollywooditis" came from the perennial "hangers-on". But the highlights of the evening were visiting with people who remembered me from my volunteer gigs, or even from the far distant past. Jeff Pevar stopped just before the show to say hi, and mentioned the Walecki benefit. Henry Diltz has a photographer's memory for faces, and laughed when I told him how much money I pledged to KQED recently because of his pitch on the telethon. We had more than full-access, moving from the main floor, through the upstairs tables and then ending in the Foundation Room (with a few forays to the "smoking" areas). While reminiscing with Henry about the far-distant past, (Monterey Pop, the Sunset Strip,the Stones), another woman stopped to chat about photos. She was Rosemary Butler who has sung background for so many people and has one of my favorite voices. Soon, we were talking about the Jackson Browne "Hold out Tour" Jackson being on my mind since seeing him at Leno and again during the intermission. Graham and his wife were quite welcoming and sincere, even though we had missed the "dressing room" introduction. While John ,the tour manager, was hustling Kakki and me down the stairs to see Graham, we passed someone on the narrow staircase. I was trying to walk, talk and think all at the same time (always a chore) and just exchanged that little nod of acknowledgement one does when passing someone else in a confined space. It wasn't until I hit the landing that I realized that it had been joni heading for the now "infamous" smoking porch. Finally, the night was over. I had been awake for almost 21 hours and was fading fast. (kakki was still going strong, but mumbled something about "work") ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #405 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)