From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #403 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 403 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Not leaving NRJC!... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Hurricane Lili - njc [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] RE: Norah Jones NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: NJC Re: Early Live Recordings/Hurrocane [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Travelogue ["Kate Bennett" ] This Just In!!!!!!(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Travelogue njc [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Norah Jones NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: Another minifest (njc) [Michael Paz ] RE: Norah Jones NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Norah Jones [Michael Paz ] Re: Travelogue [Michael Paz ] Hello, I'm back, sort of...&Levon Helm(njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Hello, I'm back, sort of...&Levon Helm(njc) [Les Irvin ] Re: First on my block [Michael Paz ] Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC [Michael Paz ] RE: Marathon Update (NJC) [Alison E ] Re: Hurricane Lili - njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Norah Jones NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: TRAVELOUGE ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Norah Jones NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] cheaper cds - njc [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! [Catherine McKay ] Re: This Just In!!!!!!(njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! (sorry) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Norah Jones NJC [Catherine McKay ] you put me through hell [Murphycopy@aol.com] Songs for Aging Baby Boomers [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: you put me through hell [David Sadowski ] Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately [Michael Pa] so sad njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC ["Brenda" ] joan njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! [Michael Paz ] Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Early Live Recordings/Hurrocane [Michael Paz ] Re: Hello, I'm back, sort of...&Levon Helm(njc) [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Not leaving NRJC!... >Ah ha! LOL. I can detect reverse pscology a mile off! LOL. Hey....I'm glad you are not going! I was thinking of ways to keep you.. even though you are a bad speller. (just fooling) I can say this Stever, because I'm not the best either...at spelling that is. >Besides I'll have to give you all my thougts on the new album! Gosh...YES!! Bree >Steve T. > >NP: Gemma Hayes 'Brightness' > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:29:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Hurricane Lili - njc <> It's gorgeous here in God's country, but I'm about 750 miles away from harm's way on this one. As coincidence would have it, I just got off a call with a supplier in MS and they're battening the hatches there. Abbe said that LA would get hit tonight... 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They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:42:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Early Live Recordings/Hurrocane <> I'm sure it is, Kakki...Gary has shared some of his Laura covers with me and they ARE amazingly good, as is his version of Joni's early song "Winter Lady". Maybe if we just keep tag-teaming him and buttering him up he'll buckle! ;~) Bob NP: Neil, "My Heart" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Much of our demographic (Boomers in their 40's & 50's) has given up on new music, even new releases from their favorite artists of yesteryear.<< well here is my own blasphemous opinion as to my personal lukewarm anticipation of this new release (not that it might not be incredible, it could be)...which is due to the fact that no new songs are on it...to me, joni's #1 strength is as a songwriter... if joni mitchell was coming out with a cd of all new original songs, do you think there would be a gigantic buzz going? i do... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:52:36 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: This Just In!!!!!!(njc) Okay...here's the offical announcement. I will begin working on a new cd next Monday. I will be working with award winning songwriter and producer, Chris Rosser, who among other things has mastered the art of some stringed Indian instruments. His studio is located in Asheville. This cd is tentatively titled, "Parsonage Lane". The only problem I see is that there are too many songs but I suppose that's probably a good thing as opposed to not having enough. I expect a release date of spring/early summer...I will keep you posted as things develop. Victor ps.Whoooohoooo!!! - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:30:31 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue njc In a message dated 02/10/02 21:38:15 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:31:21 +0100 > From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk > Subject: RE: Traveloguenjc > > ....struggling to remember, but didn't I pay something mad like fifty pounds > sterling for the damned hatbox. what's that in dollars? wait a minute, i've > got a currency converter here somewhere, hold on...yep, seventy eight > dollars.....bite it and believe it. > ..............and, I ordered 2 copies from CD Now, both of which were badly damaged and I never did get an undamaged copy, despite endless correspondence, until I bought a regular CD. RIP OFF!! Brits are mugs on the whole it has to be said. Jacky - poorer but wiser, maybe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:30:48 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC On 2 Oct 2002 at 13:23, Kate Bennett wrote: > debra wrote > I won't completely write Norah off. I'm just surprised > at all the > positive hype she's getting for her debut cd. > > brenda wrote> I'm surprised by it too. > > my cynical side says its because she is the daughter of a famous > musician & she is beautiful (not to take away from her talent but > there are many talents out there who do not get the same hype) While I think her beauty has certainly helped (as it did with Diana Krall), I don't think her being Ravi's daughter has much to do with it. His name isn't even in her bio and in interviews she seems far from eager to talk about him. Seems like their relationship is recent, budding and perhaps uneasy. I think the hype started with the word of mouth among industry and press in New York and the masterful marketing job done by Bruce Lundvall's team around the release of the EP last year - all to set up the release of the album this year. The resulting sales hype is an extension of that setup and is a function of her natural talent, her age, her beauty and mostly, from my view, the paucity of new talent among major label releases this year. If you look at the Rolling Stone list of "10 Artists to Watch," you'll see what I mean. Look at the current Billboard top 20 (or top 50 for matter) and she certainly stands out as one of the few credible new talents to root for (along with Coldplay, John Mayer and perhaps Jack Johnson). Ultimately, people are buying the record and they like what they hear. Otherwise, despite the hype, she would have fallen off the chart weeks ago. B n.p.: Pete Yorn - "Strange Condition" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:02:32 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Another minifest (njc) Was just reminded of singing with the beautiful Ms. Holley's kids her living room with Bob snoring away in the easy chair 10 ft. away. It's better that was though, that way we can keep our eye on him...So sorry I missed this one. There is a mini fest brewing in New Orleans in November (if we're still here) and I will keep you updated. Certainly all you southerners can make it over Tex? Victor?Bob? Giselle?Billy Bob?... All is under control at Chez Paz tonight. We are hunkered in with "flashlights and batteries" and "cold cuts in the fridge" getting reaedy for a little martini, kids are watching TV, Freda is making a Garbanzo w/Chops, and there is a category 4 hurricane 250 miles south of us. We decided to ride the storm out here tonight and see how things are in the morning. We still may go downtown tomorrow if things get weird. If you don't hear from us tomorrow send the Queen Fecking Mary up the Mississippi River to look for us. We'll be the 4 wetbacks on the Levee in Destrehan. As long as we have power I will be checking in and trying to catch up on digests. Love Paz NP-Awaken-Yes on 9/29/02 9:27 PM, waytoblu@mindspring.com at waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > We kept waiting for you to show up, Michael! Somebody else will have to fill > in the details of what happened after I passed out in the comfy chair around > 1:15 AM. What a damn lightweight... > > > Graham Nash came by with Joni Mitchell and we played music for another 3 > hours...till Michael finally made it with his VG8..to finish it off, Zan Feir > the magic pan flute player did an hour long set with Hendrix, Garcia, and > Ethel Mermen. See what you missed Bob.... > > > Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:26:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Norah Jones NJC >While I think her beauty has certainly helped (as it did with Diana Krall), I don't think her being Ravi's daughter has much to do with it. His name isn't even in her bio and in interviews she seems far from eager to talk about him. Seems like their relationship is recent, budding and perhaps uneasy.< you are right about that, yet somehow it seems everyone knows she is his daughter & to me, at least that is intruiging... i first heard of her through you brenda & then read something about her (that mentioned she was ravi's daughter), then i saw her cd on sale at borders for $12.99 so i decided to give it a try... >>The resulting sales hype is an extension of that setup and is a function of her natural talent, her age, her beauty and mostly, from my view, the paucity of new talent among major label releases this year.<< that is a good point...sadly the criteria for 'talent' that is eligible for (major) label releases has become so narrow or 'unmusical' that there is not much of interest to choose from ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:16:50 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Norah Jones Joseph I just love her and am dying to get the record but haven't yet. I missed out on a gig to shoot a video at House of Blues a couple months back. I don't think she sounds like any of those other women you mentioned but I have not heard the whole record. There is a web site that has tones of mp3's posted there http://www.norahjones.com/av/default.htm check it out. Best Paz NP-Cold Cold Heart-Norah Jones on 9/30/02 2:03 PM, joseph tischner at bozjojo@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi All, > Haven't posted in a long time; way too busy. But I had to mention that I was > totally moved by Norah Jones, who I heard for the first time on a radio > station in Seattle when I was out there on business a couple of weeks ago. > I'm mystified as to why I've never heard of her in New York before; her > debut CDs been out since February. She blew me away. > > She's all that's been playing on my CD player for the last 2 weeks. Does > anyone know her work? She's a little bit Shawn Colvin, a little bit Diana > Krall, maybe some Bonnie Raitt thrown in. I don't detect Joni, but she has > the same ability to move me as Joni, but mostly with her voice and not with > her lyrics, which is how Joni does it for me. > > When I got home with the CD, my 11 year old says, "Oh yeah, we saw her video > on the plane when we went on vacation. I really like that song." ('Don't > Know Why') Anyway, where the hell have I been? > > Anybody like her? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:59:27 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Travelogue You can pick up the new PazFest 2CD set for only $25 (a true steal)! Paz NP-Cold Cold Heart-Hank Williams (WFUV interview from norahjones.com) on 10/1/02 9:41 AM, dsk at dsk11@bellatlantic.net wrote: > I was just internet shopping for cds and see that Joni's "Travelogue" is > being released November 19. I think that's been mentioned already. What > surprises me is that it will cost $34.98. Is that the going rate for a > 2-cd release? Seems unusually pricey to me. > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:05:02 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Hello, I'm back, sort of...&Levon Helm(njc) Hi, all, I know I haven't posted in a while -- I've not been on the 'net at all in 3 or 4 weeks, in fact, more about which in a later posting -- but i wanted to hello, and again how wonderful it was to meet so many of you in person after having been on the list for just over a year. Now I can't wait 'til Jonifest '03... Quick note: Anybody else see the Bob Dylan bio on either A&E or the Biography channel, about a week ago? I don't know how old it was, but i figure fairly recent. Anyway, I was wondering what asnyone knew about the "Band" member Levon Helm (they also chatted with Dave Van Ronk). Levon seemed like a nice guy, but with his whiskey voice and really weird bowl haircut, I swear he looked and sounded like an off-duty Knoxville drag queen. Just my impression, best to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:08:38 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Hello, I'm back, sort of...&Levon Helm(njc) At 10/2/2002 06:05 PM, BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: >Anyway, I was wondering what asnyone knew about the >"Band" member Levon Helm I hear he's living on a small farm up near Full Moon resort. Les, who could be wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! Jack wrote: > I must be the only one in the universe that actually didn't mind > the dreaded hatbox - aside from the fact that the CD was damaged > - which in my case the CD crapped out in the middle of ACOY which > was pretty freakin' awful. But as far as the concept itself, I > kind of enjoyed it, especially the mini copies of the artworks > and the lyric sheets. Put me down on the list of people who loved the hat/chocolate box - it has pride of place on a side table in my living room. And I've had lots of comments about it. My CD was damaged as well (also in the middle of ACOY), but with the help of some furniture polish and a soft cloth it was restored back to health. Just as well, given that it crossed the world at some expense. I think I paid around NZD$100 for it. I paid NZD$120 for the Mendel book and poster. I'm getting a little annoyed with the complaints about the price of Joni's new CD set. A new release (single CD) here is around $33, a double-CD around $40. And spare a thought for those of us in far-off lands, who pay exorbitant amounts in shipping and handling costs if we have to use Amazon or equivalents, not to mention the delay in product releases, if they're released here at all. This may be Joni's last recording effort, and I for one, will be paying whatever it takes to obtain a copy. If you don't want to pay for it, don't - - it's as simple as that. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:19:01 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: First on my block Thanks so much Jerry I am proud of the overall production of the mix. There were so many problems with the tracks that were done that night but one of my best buds Rick was able to repair with band aids and great know how. I am sorry a lot of it never will see the light of day but there is always tomorrow and there WILL be a Volume 3 featuring our very own David Lahm and Jason Marsalis and Lil' Queenie (the jazzers if you will) and then I keep getting prodded to do a CD release party so if I do I am sure there will be more recording on my gawd suddenly I have a Muller type Volume #3,909,388 on my hands. Enjoy the music Jerry and thanks for your support. Paz (I did say never again didn't I? Well didn't I??) NP-Turn Me On_Still Norah on WFUV (you nay sayers are nuts this girl is tits) on 10/1/02 12:19 PM, Jerry Notaro at notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu wrote: > Neither wind, rain, or hurricane stopped my Pazfest double cd from arriving > at my door from Louisiana. It is a must have for any Joni fan. For those who > were there, it will confirm a once in a lifetime musical event. For those > who weren't, you will finally realize what you missed. Michael, thanks, and > it WAS worth the wait. > > Jerry > > np: Bryan Thomas Band - Black Crow > It Rocks!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:22:36 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC Oh come on Brenda just think at least the attorneys will reap 30+% for themselves... on 10/1/02 1:00 PM, Brenda at music@soulstreet.net wrote: > The sad thing is that the artists will not receive any royalties from the 5.5 > million CD's > that are going to be distributed. > > And every public library will be blessed with a copy of the soundtrack to > "Glitter" .... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:23:14 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Norah Jones njc Having read a couple of fairly in-depth interviews with her, my impression is that she is genuinely bemused by the lavish praise that is being heaped on her debut album; without giving off the scent of false modesty, she is pretty level-headed about her piano playing and singing abilities. She wrote two and co-wrote another song on the record, and members of her band wrote several more. I've never seen her describe herself as a singer-songwriter, even though some of the lazier periodicals are using that term about her. When the backlash comes, as it surely will, you can be sure that people will write and say "she calls herself a songwriter? Pah, she hardly wrote any of the those songs..." We will see how quickly people turn. As for me, I LOVED Don't Know Why when I heard it, and still think it's a lovely song. I loved the album too, although I don't think its allure is built to last - I listened to it last night, and wasn't that taken with it. It's a bit one-paced, and, as some others have remarked, most of the songs aren't that strong. What makes me believe that she will go on to better things is that the title song, which she wrote, is one of the best songs on the record. And when I saw her live on Later with Jools Holland, she really was terrific. Small, very intimate band, they kept everything simple and played with a lot of soul. She played some very nice piano and sang beautifully. The audience were really into it. She's at an early stage, but there is both talent and presence there, and I think she'll make the grade. Azeem in London NP: Kathryn Williams - Little Black Numbers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:33:35 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Favourite Soundtrack albums njc Passion (Music from The Last Temptation of Christ) - Peter Gabriel Magnolia - mostly Aimee Mann, with a bit of Supertramp and Gabrielle Grace of My Heart - lots of people Blade Runner - Vangelis (with Demis Roussos, who was a big joke here in the 70s!) The Sweet Hereafter - Mychael Danna (even if ha can't spell his first name) Purple Rain - Prince, obviously Rockers - Reggae classics [I know nothing about the film] The Horse Whisperer - lots of great country bods The Piano - Michael Nyman Azeem in London NP: still Kathryn Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:34:59 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: PAZFEST CD Set Oh My Gawd! Janine thank you so much. I am so happy you are enjoying the music. It truly is a labor of love on many levels. I guess you are just gonna have to pack up and come to the next one which oh my gawd is brewing in the cauldron right now!! Freda really did an excellent job with the cover and Jack Merkel's artwork looks so wonderful. I thought this may send us over the edge as far as our relationship, but we survived another one. (It will be Jack's CD cover that sends us down the river of no return).{Gawd I LOVED that movie but I digress somemore ) Thanks for the plug. I went by Tower yesterday and they had sold some off the display that Freda did and I felt so proud. I am looking for other ways to market this project if any of you guys have any ideas please let me know. Thanks again Janine. Love Paz NP-Starting to rain a bit with a few gusts of wind on 10/1/02 6:05 PM, janine sherman at sherman@netrax.net wrote: > Hear Ye! Hear Ye! > > Dear all joniphiles, > > If you have not yet made your donation to the Ruth Paz Foundation and > received Michael's > double CD set, what the heck are you waiting for? > > This set not only has FANTASTIC Joni covers, but it is professionally > packaged and absolutely GORGEOUS! > > IMO the covers on this CD rival many of Bob's classic finds! > When was the last time you heard a sexy male voice sing I THINK I > UNDERSTAND, BLUE BOY or NIGHT RIDE HOME? > > Do yourself a BIG favor and click here to check it out and order. > http://jmdl.com > michaelpazz@directvinternet.com > > The BEST part is that the bucks go for a wonderful, selfless cause. > > Thank you, Michael Paz, for making this fantastic CD in honor of Joni's > music and in keeping your mother's > work alive. > > C'mon everbody, dig deep. Thanks for the bandwidth. > > Janine > > NP: Denise Marie Band -Blue Motel Room ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Marathon Update (NJC) go lori, go lori, go lori, go go! i'm so proud of you! it's money well spent! keep going! you're doing great! pep talkin in slc, alison e. Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:19:56 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Marathon Update (NJC) Here's where I am currently in this crazy endeavor: Training for the marathon began Saturday morning, Sep 7, at 9:00 a.m. I survived the initial 3-mile timed run and -- We just finished our fourth weekend of training, completing 6 miles last Saturday. The distance will continue to increase by 1 mile for the next two weeks until we reach 8 miles, then we'll jump to 10, then to 12! After that we'll have a "break," falling back to 6 miles. Then it's up to 14, down to 7, up to 17 (!!), down to 8, etc. New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:02:59 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Hurricane Lili - njc Bob wrote: And our Texans, Mack > and Donna, are you in Lili's path? Bob, how sweet. I am okay. 5-6 hours from the coast and Donna is in Austin. It does flood there sometimes. Stay safe Donna. Been working all day, gonna have to check out the weather channel. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:10:58 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Another minifest (njc) Stay safe Paz and good luck. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:25:00 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC Kate writes: << you are right about that, yet somehow it seems everyone knows she is his daughter & to me, at least that is intruiging... >> Not everyone, Kate! I was at a friend's house the other night when Norah came on the radio. My friend shushed me, ran to turn up the radio and asked me if I had heard of her. I said, "Yeah, Ravi Shanar's daughter," and my friend hadn't a clue! But this is the same friend who didn't know Lulu married a BeeGee . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:28:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings Then she whined "Carey." Then another > girl yelled "Play what you want!" and Joni cracked up. > and then Joni said 'Alriiight!' Mark E. in Seattle who has many fond memories of listening to MOA by candlelight in an altered state (and I ain't talking about Iowa!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:33:15 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC Misspelling Murph writes: << "Yeah, Ravi Shanar's daughter," >> I meant Shankar, didn't I? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:33:55 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: TRAVELOUGE ps I always thought BSN was supposed to be a box of chocolate.. > That would make it just lak lahf, accordin to mah Mahmuh. Mark E Gump ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:10:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC << "Yeah, Ravi Shanar's daughter," >> I meant Shankar, didn't I?** Thanks for the clarification, Bob...I thought you meant Sha Na Nar! :~) Bob NP: Danzig & Wooley, "The Priest" (OHMIGOD Michael!! Whoo Hoo! My life is now complete & I can die happy...Pazfest RULES!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:18:51 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: cheaper cds - njc For those looking to pay less for CDs and don't mind them used, I suggest spun.com. I get music from them all the time and have been very satisfied with their service. They also sell new CDs at fairly competitive prices. All the used discs I've bought have played perfectly and all have the original inserts. They also have new copies of back catalog titles. For instance, I just filled in some holes in my Joni CD collection with unused discs at prices like $11. Recent releases can also be found used pretty soon after their release. I got a used copy of the new James Taylor for 9.95. They also buy back CDs you've bought from them and issue credits toward future purchases. They even pay for the postage when you send CDs back. (That's what I'm doing with my disappointing Norah Jones.) Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! --- hell wrote: > Jack wrote: > I'm getting a little annoyed with the complaints > about the price of Joni's > new CD set. A new release (single CD) here is > around $33, a double-CD > around $40. And spare a thought for those of us in > far-off lands, who pay > exorbitant amounts in shipping and handling costs if > we have to use Amazon > or equivalents, not to mention the delay in product > releases, if they're > released here at all. How does the NZ$ compare to the US$? Just wondering because, even though I often think we pay a *lot* for CDs in Canada, by the time you figure out exchange rates, we probably pay something equivalent to what the Americans do. Most CDs I've seen in stores (not doubles) cost around $20 Canadian, give or take a few bucks. I sometimes order from places like CDNow or Amazon because there's more variety to be found there than in most stores in Canada, even in a large city. By the time you figure in exchange rates, taxes, shipping and handling and other miscellaneous ripoffs, i probably end up paying slightly more than I would pay for a CD here in Toronto. The $30-some I've heard quoted for the new double Joni probably works out to close to $50. That's about what I paid for Jane Siberry's double one (can't remember the name - Anthology? whatever) but I ordered that from her website and so had to pay about $5 for shipping and handling. I guess if you like the music enough and you're likely to play it more than once, it's a good deal - otherwise, it's a shitload of money. I'm appalled at how much people in the UK, New Zealand, Australia & so on end up paying (because you live on islands? could that be it?) so, when you look at it that way, we shouldn't whine so much. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This Just In!!!!!!(njc) --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Okay...here's the offical announcement. I will > begin working on a new cd > next Monday. ... > The only problem I see is > that there are too many songs but I suppose that's > probably a good thing as > opposed to not having enough. Hmm, maybe you should do one of those double CDs with some kind of fancy packaging. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:28:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! (sorry) --- Catherine McKay wrote: a bunch of stuff. And I should've marked it njc. D'oh! Sorry. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:34:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << "Yeah, Ravi Shanar's daughter," >> > > I meant Shankar, didn't I?** > > Thanks for the clarification, Bob...I thought you > meant Sha Na Nar! :~) > ...or maybe Shanara Twain. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:44:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: you put me through hell Does anyone have the lyrics to this Joni parody? I believe it was done by some 60s or 70s comedy group, such as Firesign Theater. It occured to me that it should be in Joni in Fiction. I am betting that a certain SCJoniGuy is the first to respond . . . Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:59:48 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Songs for Aging Baby Boomers for all you aging baby boomers, here is a song for you... > Paul Simon - "Fifty Ways to Lose Your Liver" > Carly Simon - "You're So Varicose Vein" > The Bee Gees - "How Can You Mend a Broken Hip" > Roberta Flack - "The First Time Ever I Forgot Your Face" > Johnny Nash - "I Can't See Clearly Now" > The Temptations - "Papa Got a Kidney Stone" > Nancy Sinatra - "These Boots Give Me Arthritis" > ABBA - "Denture Queen" > Leo Sayer - "You Make Me Feel Like Napping" > Commodores - "Once, Twice, Three Trips to the Bathroom" > Procol Harem - "A Whiter Shade of Hair" > The Beatles - "I Get By with a Little Help From Depends" > Steely Dan - "Rikki Don't Lose Your Car Keys" > Herman's Hermits - "Mrs. Brown You've Got a Lovely Walker" > The Rolling Stones - "You Can't Always Pee When You Want" > Credence Clearwater Revival - "Bad Prune Rising" > Marvin Gaye - "I Heard It Through the Grape Nuts" > The Who - "Talkin' 'Bout My Medication" > The Troggs - "Bald Thing" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:01:39 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: you put me through hell Is this the song you mean? Hell (You've Put Me Through) Cummings/Goodge Why don't you tell me that you love me Or show me your desire Your lies are fuel to the fire that is burning down below I will never know how you let our love go Started something...can't you see Sure have made a fool of me...and Hell...you've put me in Hell...thrown my love away Hell...when you put me under your spell...in hell You spend my love like loose change In the city rush hour You pose riddles and devour... Love is not here anymore I wish that I were you...I envy Everything that you do Started something...can't you see Sure have made a fool of me...and Hell...you've put me in Hell...thrown my love away Hell...when you put me under your spell...in hell Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have the lyrics to this Joni parody? I believe it was done by >some 60s or 70s comedy group, such as Firesign Theater. It occured to me that >it should be in Joni in Fiction. > >I am betting that a certain SCJoniGuy is the first to respond . . . > >Thanks, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:34:48 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately Great reading for me on this post except for this part Big Bobber. I AM NOT easy dammit. I may be the only living JMDL'er (who hath been to a Jonifest) that resisted seeing your penis! It is a great soundtrack though even tho the movie kinda sucked. Dennis' (Quaid) accent was WAY bad cher tain't nobody talwk like dat round here (BUT we do still love him). It was the movie that he was working on when he met Dr. Heiman and became involved with Honduras and working with dear old mom. Paz on 10/1/02 9:52 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > #5. The Big Easy > > Long before it was Michael Paz's nickname, the Big Easy was a great > soundtrack album to a movie I have still never seen. "Iko Iko" absolutely > does weird things to me, and "Tipitina" and "Closer to You" make me turn on > the air conditioning in December. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:43:15 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: so sad njc just left a chat room. such hate, such anger. such eagerness to kill. physically ill it made me. no reason, no compassion. joni now. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:50:08 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC On 2 Oct 2002 at 19:22, Michael Paz wrote: > > Oh come on Brenda just think at least the attorneys will reap 30+% for > themselves... > Well seeing as how the suit was an anti-trust action filed by the attorneys general of 42 states, I'm not sure what lawyers will get money and how. The awards go to the states, so if there's some personal benefit coming out of it, it seems that would be more than a little scandalous, no? B n.p.: BT - "Blue Skies" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:54:21 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings Welcome back Gary! You have experienced the hostess with the mostest. She makes everyone feel so at home in that strange old town. Say hello to the motor city for me. It's been years since I have been there. I lived at 9306 Wyoming back in the day. There was a crack house there my last time thru. BTW I vote for letting Carnival out for the covers project. Best Paz NP-A Steady drip from the skylight in my studio (somewhere around 45 BPM) on 10/2/02 8:56 AM, nyroman at nyro_in_detroit@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Bob, Kakki and all, > > Well I've landed back in Detroit after a three month stint in Los > Angeles. Employment was not to be had, and I have some personal issues > to resolve, so I'm back in the Motor City again for awhile, and just > rejoined the list last night. > > Oooh that Kakki! I must tell you all that while I was in Los Angeles my > one accomplishment was the ability to sing live at many different > venues, which gave me the most joy I've had in years. I managed to meet > pianists who were at least able to play "Both Sides Now" so I did > perform that song quite a bit, to appreciative crowds. At one venue > there was a lady in the back singing along ever so softly! I managed to > have one performance videotaped by a friend, but have yet to actually > see it (shudder). As well, my one super bonus to being in Los Angeles > was the opportunity to spend some wonderful evenings with Kakki. She is > the most intelligent, supportive, sensitive and beautiful woman I've > ever met and I miss her and our weekly meetings at the Red Lion > tremendously!! However, while I was there I did play for her some of my > old tunes from a compilation recording of mine I call "Dust From The > Shelves." She spilled the beans on my "Carnival In Kenora" version that > was recorded in, I believe 1972, when I was just a baby!! I sound like > a little boy, and am not sure I find it worthy for the covers > collection. I'll take a hesitant listen again and see how I feel about > it. > > Anyway, it's great to be back on the list, and thank you all for being > here. My heartfelt thanks again to Kakki for making my stay in Los > Angeles so very wonderful. It wouldn't have been that way without you > Kakki! > My sincere thanks to Bob for his good friendship and supportive e-mails > while I was struggling in the city of the fallen angels too! > > Best, > > Gary Zack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:04:31 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: joan njc god bless joni "call me at the station, the lines are open" I did, and she answered, again. \ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:02:28 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! Jack I am with you on this one. I loved it and still do. Altho I have not framed my artwork (someone was suppose to do it for me for a present but hasn9t as of yet) and I really can't cause I am all thumbs when it comes to tools and such. I loved the little pics that came in the promo of NRH cd as well. My aim is to get all this art up on my walls, but there is that part about humping them off to the framer over "you know whos" dead body and that can be SO messy! Best Paz NP-Banquet-JM Norman Ok. 6-29-83 (thanks Bob) on 10/2/02 11:04 AM, Merk54@aol.com at Merk54@aol.com wrote: > I must be the only one in the universe that actually didn't mind the dreaded > hatbox - aside from the fact that the CD was damaged - which in my case the CD > crapped out in the middle of ACOY which was pretty freakin' awful. But as far > as the concept itself, I kind of enjoyed it, especially the mini copies of the > artworks and the lyric sheets. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:11:03 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Now Joni's Songs for Aging Baby Boomers Ricw1217@aol.com writes: << Leo Sayer - "You Make Me Feel Like Napping" >> LOL! YOU make me feel like doing a few Joni songs for aging boomers! Little Gray False Teeth That Whistle Not Too Lame How Do You Stoop CPR On a Hill Turbulent Agida Passion Pill Slouching Towards Bathrooms Ray's Last Heart Attack Dental Crown Aches and Bladders Help Me, I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up The Three Great Denture Mints A Case of Poo The Blonde in the Depends My Secret Pacemaker Liver People's Potties Surgery Is the Best Face Lift Nothing Can Be Gummed Stool Water Harry's Couch Big Yellow Stain And my favorite . . . Urge for Going! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:11:33 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Re: Early Live Recordings/Hurrocane My new motto is "I have high friends in places!" and I be a little high right now and almost dry. (hee hee) Paz headed for the chat room after while on 10/2/02 12:52 PM, kakki at kakkib@vzavenue.net wrote: > Don't listen to this, Bob! ;-) This is a beautiful, fantastic, superbly > done cover by Gary! You should hear the Nyro and Livingston Taylor stuff he > recorded back then, too. Unbelievable. He should have been right out there > with Stephen Bishop and Kenny Rankin. > >> NP: Neil, "Southern Man" (can't hear this one without thinking of Paz!) > > Speaking of Paz, I've been checking the weather satellites constantly since > last week and it's looking scary. We all need to send out our thoughts to > Paz, Jack and everyone else in Lili's path. Stay high and dry you guys! > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:14:51 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: FW: Blasphemy?? JC - ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Bowden To: mailto:joni@smoe.org Sent: 10/2/02 11:33:38 AM Subject: Blasphemy?? JC Gang, AFter 2 years of contemplation re: BSN, I submit this late review. I bought BSN the day it came out. The first few hearings were exciting (because it was new Joni). Shortly after the initial thrill (and the concert at the Concord Pavillion) I started to get the uneasy feeling that Our Queen's rendering of such great classics was actually quite flat, emotionally. This realization has unsettled the very foundations upon which my slavish devotion for Joni rests! Her own 2 numbers are quite wonderful, but the standards (to me) are practically void of any of the humor, irony or despair that the songs require. The great songs that have been so well represented by so many singers of the last 75 years sound like a bucket of dead fish coming from Our Lady of Du, Tri-Quad, etc., -ality. Put the guns down, folks! I'm saying her versions fell WAY short of my expectaions.....it was like she was reading a very dry facts and figures scrawl. With 'Travelogue' looming ever larger on our musical horizon, my hopes are high...based on the tunes of her own she that she sang on the BSN tour (FTR, Hejira, Be Cool, etc.). My expectaions are shaky...is she going to have any voice left? Is TTT going to be her swansong as far as new material is concerned? Perhaps I just need to have my medicaiton increased or I'm suffering from a hopefully brief brain fart. BTW a 45 year old recording of Maria Callas' 'La Boheme' goes for $32 (2 CD set) If someone can point out the error of my mad thinking, I would appreciate it. Love, Russ - --- Russell Bowden - --- russbowden@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:22:12 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hello, I'm back, sort of...&Levon Helm(njc) Hi Les and Walt Yes you are right. He opened a club here in NO a couple years ago with some guy named Carmen. I installed the sound system in his club and spent many a night there. He bought me a couple of drinks one night and introduced me to his daughter who sat in with the band and sang her ass off (and Beeeeuuutiful)to boot. Rick was still alive and came down with Garth to play a few times. I invited Levon to be on jukebox (of which there is tape), but he used a pick up band instead of the guys. Too bad the club didn't go cause it was cool having him around. I will tell you some other tales offline that I would rather not discuss here. Best Paz NP-Let The Wind Carry Me-Philly '72 (oooo please no not tonight anyways) on 10/2/02 5:08 PM, Les Irvin at ljirvin@adelphia.net wrote: > At 10/2/2002 06:05 PM, BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: >> Anyway, I was wondering what asnyone knew about the >> "Band" member Levon Helm > > I hear he's living on a small farm up near Full Moon resort. > Les, who could be wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:26:56 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: This Just In!!!!!!(njc) All right Victor!! You go boy! I can send some guest musicians (Jack, Christina, Beth,...) over there to help if you want. I got a great deal going with the manufacturer too for pressing and Freda's artwork is pretty stellar. Best of luck. I think you need to call Victrola on Parsonage Lane You could probably get Energizer Batteries to be a sponsor too! (OH somebody stop me!) Love Paz NP-For The Roses-LA '74 on 10/2/02 5:52 PM, Victor Johnson at waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > Okay...here's the offical announcement. I will begin working on a new cd > next Monday. I will be working with award winning songwriter and producer, > Chris Rosser, who among other things has mastered the art of some stringed > Indian instruments. His studio is located in Asheville. > > This cd is tentatively titled, "Parsonage Lane". The only problem I see is > that there are too many songs but I suppose that's probably a good thing as > opposed to not having enough. I expect a release date of spring/early > summer...I will keep you posted as things develop. > > Victor > > ps.Whoooohoooo!!! > > > > > > > > --- Victor Johnson > --- waytoblu@mindspring.com > "Roses wait for the springtime, > They sleep beneath the ground. > They hear March winds a callin' > For the sun to come around."vlj > > Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:44:12 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Demolition some joni content This was posted on one of the Ryan Adams lists and I thought you might find it interesting esp. about song two. Best Paz << From October's Uncut an interview with Ryan Adams where he talks through each track on Demolition: 1.Nuclear "The songs on the album come from five different sessions and in effect they were five different albums,so I'm still holding onto a lot of tracks."Nuclear"comes from a session in Nashville with The Pink Hearts,recorded after Gold.But the song was written in LA.It's a reaction to meeting someone pretty intense.It's a song about change" 2.Hallelujah "That's from a session I called 48 Hours which was recorded straight after I'd finished Gold.I called Ethan Johns and said I'd got more songs I needed to record.I thought I had a whole other record."Hallelujah"was written when I was living in the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.I was looking for a way to express a bunch of crap I'd been dealing with and "Hallelujah"was the happy accident that came out.I finished the lyrics seconds before I recorded it.It's vague but to the point" 3.You Will Always Be The Same "The best song ever written about Beth Orton.And I've written several.I was in Stockholm on tour with her,straight after we'd recorded "Brown Sugar"for the Uncut Rolling Stones CD.I recorded nine songs in one session while we were there and this was on of them.I was listening to Nick Drake and Joni Mitchell and a lot of stuff like that.I think the sentiment is lovely.What I was saying was that the world can get fucked up as hell,but you will always mean the same thing to me" 4.Desire "I don't know why I wanted to do that song.Another totally unrequited romance,I guess.I really wanted someone's company and attention.In true singer-songwriter bullshit fashion I recorded the song and she flipped her wig.It's from 48 Hours session,which was really inspired by going to see Alanis Morissette play.She was amazing and it just made me feel I had to go back to the studio and try harder" 5. Cry On Demand "That's from a session I call The Suicide Handbooks,which was me and Bucky Baxter.It's a very mean song and I really shouldn't have written it.Mmmm.Let's move on..." 6.Starting To Hurt "It was recorded in Nashville with The Pink Hearts.Billy Mercer had told me this story about a woman jumping off a building.We were out in Nashville having a few beers because that's all there is to do there and Billy said"That's the building"She'd gone up to the top,handed someone her baby and jumped.I had the riff but no words to the song ,so I tried to put myself into her character.You can't begin to imagine how she must have been feeling but I tried" 7.She Wants To Play Hearts "My favourite song on the album and from The Suicide Handbooks.The songs from that might have been the follow-up to Heartbreaker,but I didn't want to be the bummer king,so I made Gold instead.Now I want to be the bummer king again,because someone's got to do it.A lot of the songs from that session are about a girl in Hollywood.It was a painful break-up,so I went back to Nashville,lost weight,took too many drugs and wrote that song.It's about missing someone and maybe missing myself." 8.Tennessee Sucks "That song is about Tennessee really sucking.Ha!!It sucks in the summer,worse even than New York.It's not only hot but really humid.Even the beer doesn't help you.I wrote it as a gag.It's from the second of The Pink Heart sessions on the record,with Bucky playing some really fucked-up Paul Simon guitar shit that I don't know what is.There's another song on the same subject called "Saturday Night"that almost made the record." 9.Dear Chicago "Another from The Suicide Handbooks and another heavy song.I wasn't sure about love any more.It's reflecting on the same thing I always do-past romance.It's saying I think I've fallen out of love with you and I'm feeling good about it.I'm free.For a second." 10.Gimme A Sign "Written the day before I met Ms Winona Ryder.She was passing through,I was fooling about in the studio with The Pink Hearts.That's how I remember it.It was a really good week.I think I wrote it about an American sit-com about vampires called Dark Shadows.But I don't remember too well.When The Pink Hearts are around a lot of pot tends to get smoked." 11.Tomorrow "I wrote that with a friend of mine,a playwright called Kerry Hamilton,who has since died of cancer.I was living in Room 1034 at the Hollywood Roosevelt,and it was written the day before she was going back to Colarado.It was the last time I was to see Kerry healthy.I'm still going through it and haven't been able to touch it in a song." 12.Chin up,Cheer Up "It's bluegrass meets The Smiths.Kind of .The chord changes are Johnny Marr-and I'm still studying that guy.I'd been in England just before I wrote it,so it must be about someoneunnamed from England who is a better songwriter than I am.You know who I mean." 13.Jesus(Don't Touch My Baby) "Written about the same subject as "Tomorrow".My California phase was actually quite creative.That was when I found out that my friend was sick.It was during a Pink Hearts session and I was so upset I kicked them all out of the studio.But I started playing around with the drum machine and this came out.Think I'd been listening to too much Radiohead when I recorded it." It gets a 4 star review elsewhere in the mag which also includes a 4 page 'Mats article and stuff on The Jam and The Grateful Dead.The Jam are featured on the cover. All in all a must read. - ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #403 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)