From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #401 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 401 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Norah Jones NJC [dsk ] Re: Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: I Dream of Joni . . . again! NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] First on my block ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Norah Jones NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: I Dream of Joni, or is it Walt - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC [dsk ] Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC [dsk ] 10 Desert Island Soundtrack Albums njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 ["Kate Bennett" ] Travelogue ["Kate Bennett" ] Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Travelogue [AzeemAK@aol.com] Joni Makeover? [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Travelogue [vince ] PAZFEST CD Set ["janine sherman" ] Early Live Recordings ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] harold and maude NJC [Yael Harlap ] re: Lincoln/Jones - njc [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: Early Live Recordings ["kakki" ] Fw: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC ["kakki" ] Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Travelogue [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Travelogue ["kakki" ] 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately [Murphycopy@aol] Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 [dsk ] Fw: NJC - WLW & Midwestern Hayride/Bryan ["kasey simpson" ] Re: Early Live Recordings ["kakki" ] Re: Travelogue [dsk ] Re: Travelogue ["kakki" ] Re: Travelogue [dsk ] Re: "A Travelogue" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] TRAVELOUGE [Cactustree78@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:58:30 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC Brenda wrote: > > Hearing Norah live makes it evident to me how much the debut misses in terms of > how she is using elements of country, blues and jazz together. Alicia Keyes isn't > even in the same league....the only thing she has in common with Norah is that > they've both put out records around the same time. Norah is a recording artist. > Alicia is a recording act. Well, you see then how superficial my experience is of them both. When I have seen Norah on tv she was playing piano and the set-up and sound reminded me a lot of Alicia Keyes. > I think to compare any young artist's debut to Hissing is a bit unfair. Hissing was > Joni's seventh studio album. It's nearly impossible for a debut artist to reflect years > of recording experience in their first record. Norah is younger than Joni was when > STAS was recorded and has far less experience than Joni had up to that point. I say > give her a few years and see where she goes. When listening to Norah's cd it didn't occur to me that I didn't like it because Hissing is so much better, so it wasn't a comparison at the time. I listened to several songs and then got completely turned off while listening to one she'd written because the lyrics were so simplistic. Next time I listen (a live performance would be a good idea) maybe I'll pay more attention to her voice, which is what seems to be grabbing lots of people. If we do compare debuts, then STAS, when Joni was 24?, would get my vote every time. I won't completely write Norah off. I'm just surprised at all the positive hype she's getting for her debut cd. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:13:13 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! <> I'm sure he had NO IDEA what he was getting into...after all, how many of us do? ;~) This was sort of a melancholy recording...made in the 70's when Joni was in her popular heyday, and Chuck's recording on an obscure label was made in a live recording at a small bookshop or coffee house or something, anyway a VERY small crowd. Sorta struck me as sad. Bob NP: Ani DiFranco, "The Poet Game" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Jerry np: Bryan Thomas Band - Black Crow It Rocks!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:24:59 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC On 1 Oct 2002 at 14:58, dsk wrote: > Next time I listen (a live performance would be a good > idea) maybe I'll pay more attention to her voice, which is what seems > to be grabbing lots of people. If we do compare debuts, then STAS, > when Joni was 24?, would get my vote every time. > I think it is about the voice with Norah and the way her music shows the things that have influenced her - studying jazz piano, growing up in Dallas, listening to country, etc. To be sure, she is not a songwriter - yet. And she may never really be one. But neither is Cassandra Wilson. Her career really came to life once she focused on her ability as an interpreter. Her first several records pale in comparison to Blue Light 'Til Dawn and New Moon Daughter. Personally, I am not a fan of STAS - love the songs, but find the voice strident - so I would take Norah. ; ) > I won't completely write Norah off. I'm just surprised at all the > positive hype she's getting for her debut cd. > I'm surprised by it too. And a bit dismayed, actually because I hope it doesn't influence where she ends up going. I think it's tough to figure out what to do next when an artist has a "coffee table" record for their debut. B n.p.: Dianne Reeves - "Speak Low" - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:30:15 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: I Dream of Joni, or is it Walt - NJC The nice, big BM writes: << My first thought was that your 7-foot tall Joni was Walt in drag. >> Hmmm, that's something to think about . . . My thought was that I am always surprised when I meet or see celebs I love (like Lucille Ball), that they're smaller than I had imagined. << Walt, where are you anyway? >> Man, I have been a bad ambassador! I have been meaning to write to Walt for a week. Walt! Are you there? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:56:22 -0400 From: dsk Subject: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC Entertainment: Companies to settle CD price-fixing suit Copyright ) 2002 AP Online By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press NEW YORK (September 30, 2002 6:49 p.m. EDT) - The five top U.S. distributors of compact discs and three large music retailers have agreed to pay $143 million in cash and CDs to settle charges they cheated consumers by fixing prices, authorities announced Monday. The settlement brings to a close accusations made by attorneys general of 41 states and commonwealths who accused record companies of conspiring with music distributors to boost the prices of CDs between 1995 and 2000. The companies broke state and federal antitrust laws, costing consumers millions of dollars, the attorneys general had charged in a lawsuit filed in August 2000 in U.S. District Court in Manhattan and later moved to Portland, Maine. A judge there must approve the deal. The settlement calls for $67.3 million cash to be distributed to the settling states to compensate consumers who overpaid for CDs during the period and to pay settlement administration costs and attorneys' fees. Consumers who bought CDs between 1995 and 2000 can file claims for part of the fund, prosecutors said. Public announcements will be made later to inform consumers how to participate in the payout. The settlement also requires 5.5 million CDs valued at $75.7 million to be distributed to public entities and nonprofit organizations in each state to promote music programs. The settlement will be distributed according to state population, although attorneys in the case are still working to determine a formula. New York, for example, will receive about 6 percent of the settlement. Consumers in all 50 states will benefit under terms of the settlement, New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said in a statement. "This is a landmark settlement to address years of illegal price-fixing," Spitzer said. "Our agreement will provide consumers with substantial refunds and result in the distribution of a wide variety of recordings for use in our schools and communities." More at http://www.nandotimes.com/entertainment/story/557116p-4389874c.html DS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:00:59 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC The sad thing is that the artists will not receive any royalties from the 5.5 million CD's that are going to be distributed. And every public library will be blessed with a copy of the soundtrack to "Glitter" .... On 1 Oct 2002 at 15:56, dsk wrote: > Entertainment: Companies to settle CD price-fixing suit > > Copyright ) 2002 AP Online > > By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press > > NEW YORK (September 30, 2002 6:49 p.m. EDT) - The five top U.S. > distributors of compact discs and three large music retailers have > agreed to pay $143 million in cash and CDs to settle charges they > cheated consumers by fixing prices, authorities announced Monday. > > The settlement brings to a close accusations made by attorneys general > of 41 states and commonwealths who accused record companies of > conspiring with music distributors to boost the prices of CDs between > 1995 and 2000. > > The companies broke state and federal antitrust laws, costing > consumers millions of dollars, the attorneys general had charged in a > lawsuit filed in August 2000 in U.S. District Court in Manhattan and > later moved to Portland, Maine. A judge there must approve the deal. > > The settlement calls for $67.3 million cash to be distributed to the > settling states to compensate consumers who overpaid for CDs during > the period and to pay settlement administration costs and attorneys' > fees. > > Consumers who bought CDs between 1995 and 2000 can file claims for > part of the fund, prosecutors said. Public announcements will be made > later to inform consumers how to participate in the payout. > > The settlement also requires 5.5 million CDs valued at $75.7 million > to be distributed to public entities and nonprofit organizations in > each state to promote music programs. > > The settlement will be distributed according to state population, > although attorneys in the case are still working to determine a > formula. New York, for example, will receive about 6 percent of the > settlement. > > Consumers in all 50 states will benefit under terms of the settlement, > New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said in a statement. > > "This is a landmark settlement to address years of illegal > price-fixing," Spitzer said. "Our agreement will provide consumers > with substantial refunds and result in the distribution of a wide > variety of recordings for use in our schools and communities." > > More at > http://www.nandotimes.com/entertainment/story/557116p-4389874c.html > > DS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Re: rolling stone poll NJC All I can say about this is CONSIDER THE SOURCE! I despise Rolling Stone, stopped reading that worthless rag in the mid 80's. Yes, I know that list was supposedly chosen by readers, but would you trust a list that has four Madonna records and two Weezer records on a list of the best of ALL TIME? Please! Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:06:49 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 Rolling Stone has listed the "100 greatest records of all time as chosen by you." I see Madonna on this list 4 times, but no Joni. Weezer is on it twice, but no Joni. The list includes albums from the 60's and 70's, but no Joni. She is mentioned - once. Under Number 9 - Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page is quoted as saying, "Every musician wants to do something of lasting quality, and I guess we did it with 'Stairway'. I don't think there are too many people who are capable of it. Maybe one. Joni Mitchell." The fact that she is in some kind of cultural gulag, all but expunged from the collective memory saddens and angers me. Ruth New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:14:56 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC Brenda wrote: > > The sad thing is that the artists will not receive any royalties from the 5.5 million CD's > that are going to be distributed. > > And every public library will be blessed with a copy of the soundtrack to "Glitter" .... That is too bad, both the no royalties and the idea of thousands (millions?) of Glitters let loose. Any chance some Joni cds will be among the ones going to libraries? Will librarians have any choice about what they receive? And will consumers have to find their receipts from 1995-2000 in order to get a refund? That might be tough. Guess that's part of the "to be worked out" section. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:18:08 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: NJC - WLW & Midwestern Hayride > My mother sang with Skeeter Davis when it was the Davis Sisters. > They were on the Midwestern Hay Ride, on WLW in Cincinnati Kasey I can't believe someone else on this list remembers "Midwestern Hayride." I never really enjoyed the show, but reading your post made me a little nostaligic, thinking of the WLW broadcasting Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana mini-empire and more innocent times...innocent, at least, in terms of what was broadcast. Remember...Ruth Lyons, Bob Braun, Paul Dixon, Marion Spellman...and Bonnie Lou, for Pete's sake! Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:47:31 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC On 1 Oct 2002 at 16:14, dsk wrote: > Brenda wrote: > > > > The sad thing is that the artists will not receive any royalties > > from the 5.5 million CD's that are going to be distributed. > > > > And every public library will be blessed with a copy of the > > soundtrack to "Glitter" .... > > That is too bad, both the no royalties and the idea of thousands > (millions?) of Glitters let loose. Any chance some Joni cds will be > among the ones going to libraries? Will librarians have any choice > about what they receive? > Someone I know called the AG to ask this question and it was still not worked out yet. I'd be very surprised is the librarians got their choice.... B n.p.: KCRW - To The Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:19:56 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Marathon Update (NJC) First, I'd like to say THANK YOU to those of you who have already contributed to my fundraising efforts! I've collected $1330 so far, which is more than 51% of my minimum goal! Your generosity is GREATLY APPRECIATED, certainly by me but more importantly by those who will directly benefit from your donations. Here's where I am currently in this crazy endeavor: Training for the marathon began Saturday morning, Sep 7, at 9:00 a.m. I survived the initial 3-mile timed run and -- amazingly! -- did not end up in the slowest training group! Third from slowest, yes ... but hey! I'm 44, I'm going from 0 to 26.2 miles in five months, and I'll get there anyway I can -- even if I'm the last to cross the finish line! (Besides, I'll use any excuse to go to New Orleans!) In addition to myself there are 7 women in my pace group. Our pace is 16 minutes per mile, which translates to running for 2 minutes, walking for 3, running for 2, etc. I've already learned that it's actually more pleasant for me to RUN! We just finished our fourth weekend of training, completing 6 miles last Saturday. The distance will continue to increase by 1 mile for the next two weeks until we reach 8 miles, then we'll jump to 10, then to 12! After that we'll have a "break," falling back to 6 miles. Then it's up to 14, down to 7, up to 17 (!!), down to 8, etc. Apparently I've shown so much enthusiasm that my pace group has elected me "leader" -- which means I have to pay attention to the time and pace (we can't run/walk too FAST, either), but what it REALLY means is I have to arrive 15 minutes earlier than the rest of them! Think that was the plan? Hmm. I'll keep you posted on my progress from time to time. Meanwhile, my website is up and has already gotten 100+ hits (some of them from you)! When you have a minute, cruise on over to http://lrfye.lunarpages.com and check it out, and let me know what you think of it! Hoping each of you is well ... Love to all, Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 10 Desert Island Soundtrack Albums njc hell mentioned >>Pretty Woman (just for Lauren Wood's "Fallen")<< i remember being happily suprised to hear this song in that movie...i orginally learned it from a nicolette larsen album & have always loved this song (& even sang it at a friends wedding), but i don't recall who wrote it.. i just remembered another really good soundtrack but it was to a very depressing movie- leaving los vegas...(my earlier mention of cal was another great soundtrack to a depressing movie ) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Norah Jones njc i enjoy her voice but found i that i only listened to her cd a few times because of the lack in dynamics as far as song choices go...perhaps next time? she does have great potential if she can branch out a bit... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 rolling stone lost any music credibility with me a long long time ago...its more like people magazine, imo... >Rolling Stone has listed the "100 greatest records of all time as chosen by >you." ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mini UK fest...and new cover band! exciting news christina! "He proposed doing it just with a percussionist to gard the acoustic sound. We don't know if it might sound too sparse, though. I'd like to hear what you guys think of the idea?" the idea greatly appeals to me...i think if you have great players then this gives everyone a chance to be heard a bit more & lets in a bit of space & clarity into the arrangements which can be a very positive thing... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Travelogue > but I will say that Ani's last 2 releases have been 2-CD sets, and I paid $16.99 - $18.99 for each. I would say that any price over $25 for Travelogue is excessive.< i agree that this price seems excessive & this price could be their undoing as far as sales go...who knows, maybe it will quickly go on sale...i don't know if joni has any say in record prices so she may not be the one to point the finger at here...it does seem like a foolish business decision on the record company's part considering the economic climate we are in right now... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! >11. Lincoln Mayorga - Both Sides Now: A very peppy and well-played version, and some interesting things going on with the arrangement. Definitely a nice change of pace.< wow, that name is a flash from the past...i remember meeting him & his wife judy & one of them (i can't remember who...maybe both? played killer violin/fiddle & we jammed on into the night... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:04:08 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue In a message dated 01/10/2002 18:56:18 GMT Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << Cynical toward the music business in general? Or cynical toward Joni and her marketing decisions after the hatbox ripoff? I'm leaning toward the second one myself. >> Ha ha! I endorse that view. Regardless of how much or little that limited edition was Joni's responsibility, it has to rank as one of the biggest wastes of money I've ever fallen for. I flogged it eventually, and haven't bought another copy of the album, on the grounds that I never listened to it anyway. I REALLY hope my dread about the new one is unfounded, but I have this horrible feeling it's going to be a turkey. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:26:51 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni Makeover? http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980927nydn.cfm Wow! Who gave Joni the complete makeover?? Was it re-touched!? She almost looks "homogenized" beyond recognition. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:28:09 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Travelogue With the ridiculous over-priced nature of the thing, without even the gimmick of that hatbox, might I humbly suggest that we all wait the total of seven days from its release until the first one of us purchases it - we will all buy it, we will all pay the price, but a seven day delay in that may make a point to the powers that be, whomever that may be. Then when bought, mail the bar code back to the company with a short message - "Love Joni, this is overpriced." Might make an impression, might not. If I idea is no damn good, fell free to flog it. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:05:19 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: PAZFEST CD Set Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Dear all joniphiles, If you have not yet made your donation to the Ruth Paz Foundation and received Michael's double CD set, what the heck are you waiting for? This set not only has FANTASTIC Joni covers, but it is professionally packaged and absolutely GORGEOUS! IMO the covers on this CD rival many of Bob's classic finds! When was the last time you heard a sexy male voice sing I THINK I UNDERSTAND, BLUE BOY or NIGHT RIDE HOME? Do yourself a BIG favor and click here to check it out and order. http://jmdl.com michaelpazz@directvinternet.com The BEST part is that the bucks go for a wonderful, selfless cause. Thank you, Michael Paz, for making this fantastic CD in honor of Joni's music and in keeping your mother's work alive. C'mon everbody, dig deep. Thanks for the bandwidth. Janine NP: Denise Marie Band -Blue Motel Room ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:06:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Early Live Recordings Detroit legend has it that the cover picture of "Miles Of Aisles" is the (Detroit) Pine Knob amphitheatre. To me, the title implies that it doesn't matter exactly which amphitheatre it is- there more alike than dissimilar. (Which is a good thing, to me. Better to have Joni in an open air amphitheater than in a hockey arena where you hear the echo and nothing but the echo.) On the other hand, it's been pretty well nailed down that most of the tracks were from a date in California somewhere. Steve Dulson, was it the Hollywood Bowl? Kakki, does that sound right? Lama David Sadowski asked: >> The cover of Miles of Aisles looks exactly like the pavilion at Ravinia in the mid-70s, does anyone know if that indeed is the source?>>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:49:15 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: harold and maude NJC Sybil said: >I agree Harold and Maude has a fabulous soundtrack - strangely enough >however, no official recording was ever released in the U.S. The one that >was released, in Japan I think, didn't have all the songs. Seems like a >pile of money got left on the table by someone. I know I would have bought >it just to hear Ruth Gordon sing. i wasn't thinking of 'soundtracks' as being copies of the recordings, if you know what i mean. i just was thinking what movies have the best music/soundtracks.... and H & M is the best in my book!! although the songs were never compiled into a single recording, all of the songs are available on various cds. mona bone jakon has a few of them. and the ones that aren't available on other regular cat stevens' albums are all on his "greatest hits 2". none of them have ruth gordon singing, though. (and i don't particularly mind that, myself!!) - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:46:42 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: Lincoln/Jones - njc Hey Bob, you wrote: '11. Lincoln Mayorga - Both Sides Now: A very peppy and well-played version, and some interesting things going on with the arrangement. Definitely a nice change of pace.' Lincoln is a customer of mine (I have a restaurant in Chatham, NY. Where I also play a lot of Joni.). Nice guy. What CD is this on? I'd love to get it and play it in the dining room. And regarding Norah Jones: I read all the press she got, bought the album and was very disappointed. Found it boring. The songs were blah. And her singing was very monotonous. Everything sounded the same. I guess I was expecting/hoping for more of a Holly Cole-like artist. Don't understand all the hype about her. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:32:40 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings Lama asked: > On the other hand, it's been pretty well nailed down that most of the tracks > were from a date in California somewhere. Steve Dulson, was it the > Hollywood Bowl? Kakki, does that sound right? It was at Universal Amphitheatre - August 14 - 17, 1974 - I was there the 17th and that is the night that most of the Joni chatter (Joni had more class than Gomer Pyle/Nixon, no one ever asked Van Gogh to paint a Starry Night again, etc.) was recorded. Dulson was probably there all four nights, I'm sure ;-) By the way, the liner notes also say that the recording of Cactus Tree was from the March 4 performance at the L.A. Music Center and For Free was from the March 2 performance at the Berkeley Community Center. Haven't seen recordings from those particular venues floating around - anyone have them?? ;-) Speaking of early live recordings, Cover Bob must beg, bribe, cajole and otherwise acquire Gary Zack's early 70s professional recording of Carnival in Kenora - Oh.... my.... gawd. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:37:29 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Fw: CD price-fixing suit in U.S. settled NJC As usual, it is the lawyers who are going to benefit the most from this. What a joke. Cynical Kakki > > On 1 Oct 2002 at 16:14, dsk wrote: > > > > > Brenda wrote: > > > > > > > > The sad thing is that the artists will not receive any royalties > > > > from the 5.5 million CD's that are going to be distributed. > > > > > > > > And every public library will be blessed with a copy of the > > > > soundtrack to "Glitter" .... > > > > > > That is too bad, both the no royalties and the idea of thousands > > > (millions?) of Glitters let loose. Any chance some Joni cds will be > > > among the ones going to libraries? Will librarians have any choice > > > about what they receive? > > > > > > > Someone I know called the AG to ask this question and it was still not > worked out > > yet. I'd be very surprised is the librarians got their choice.... > > > > B > > > > n.p.: KCRW - To The Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:59:42 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue I don't get the outrage! It's listed at CDNow for around $31.00. Hey, it's a 2 CD set. Van Morrison's Philosopher's Stone is still listed at $31.00. The Beatles Anthology 2 CD sets are $31.00. The Byrds 2 CD PreFlyte is $31.00, etc. and buying two CDs separately or together from any artist is going to usually total over $31.00. No one was forced to buy the hatbox - one could have bought the no frills version for $15.00. Here's another idea - go trade in the CDs you don't like for a credit to build toward it - I may do that - hahaha. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:21:33 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 amelio wrote: "Someone at work the other day said that Joni Mitchell isn't really credible! Of course this could not be further from the truth." I am afraid I agree with your friend here. I, too, find her incredible :-) Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:30:40 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue "Blasphemous Bob" Muller wrote: "I agree...despite our passion for her here, she is barely a blip on the radar screen in the big scheme of things. Look at the RS survey that Sybil mentions...Joni didn't score ONE record in the top 100 of all time! " I must demur (apparently with the notion of what constitutes the big scheme of things). I will not be around to know the answer, but it would not shock me if 30 years from now only a very few of the albums whose names appear on the top 100 list will still be on the same list when it is re-compiled. Yes, the Beatles (and a handful of the others) will endure. But not most. Here, I am substituting the enduring quality of art as a measure of the big scheme of things, but on a spiritual plane, there is more to it even than that IMO - even if it fails to endure, if it was great and is great, it remains so - even if its recognition is dormant. Comments by the artists of our time reflect that sentiment (whether it is from Jimmy Page (or Robert Plant), or Adam Duritz, or Tori Amos, or KD Lang, or David Crosby, or Dave Matthews, or Tony Bennet, or John Mellencamp, etc.). Really, we should make a list of the top 100 amazing things that have been said or written about her by people who have at least some right to claim their opinion counts. (I am not talking here about ordinary praise - but the truly extraordinary statements). I do wonder whether 50 or 100 years from now, some of her work will live on (at least among historians and cognescenti of popular music), as Crosby once suggested. Now, as for her record sales, at 300,000, that is fine with me. I like to think of myself as being in the top tenth of one percent of pop music appreciators. Any higher sales than that might threaten my percentile ranking. I count only the English speaking countries in this; still, I suppose we could go to 500,000 or so and I would still be OK. Why are the numbers so low ? My theory, still unshaken, is that the average American is a scary thing. That counts Canada - big time, in this case. Are you folks kidding ? She is your national treasure, for cryin out loud ! I absolve those Americans from non-English speaking countries from being guilty merely by virtue of JM's record sales (but my accusation stands on all other grounds, so I shall allow it to stand undelimited). As far as those of you from the UK, Australia and New Zealand go, at least she is not a resident or a citizen - so I could understand the rejection there on grounds of chauvinism, bias and/or jealousy. However, I am afraid that my instinct is that the average Brit, Aussie and New Zealander is also a scary thing ;-) The artists' and critics' polls place Joni much higher on the scales than that (see the old VH1 polls in this regard) - I weigh that more heavily in my view of whether Joni has made more than a blip on the screen of artistic merit. Should Joni care more about whether other artists admire her work, or more semi-literate, tone deaf, sugar loving record buyers ? Which is the big scheme of things for her ? Frankly, I am a bit surprised that the JMDL even became aware of the RS poll - - does anyone here actually buy that rag ? ;-). Clearly, I would not choose to be associated with such a cloddish, insensitive, semi-literate, uneducated lot. Oh, this poll must be findable on the internet - thank goodness, and never mind ! Bob S. PS - If anyone accuses me of offending them via the above, my reply in advance is the classic from the world of top 100, pop music "Oops, I did it again". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:35:26 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 And now we find that Steve T will be leaving us for a while, just because I referred to him as Amelio. I apologize - please don't leave :-) Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:22:06 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue I think this is an excellent idea and I'd love to help in the search. Tag, I think you're it, Bob No. 3, for starting one more JMDL section ;-) Kakki > Really, we should make a list of the top 100 amazing things that have been said or written about her by people who > have at least some right to claim their opinion counts. (I am not talking here about ordinary praise - but the truly >extraordinary statements). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:52:37 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - NJC, unfortunately I was born without the Broadway musicals gene, so make of this what you will. (And I know this thread is generally about soundtracks, not just musicals.) But it occurred to me that there were a few oversights, omissions and oh-my-God-they-forgot-thats in some of the responses to the desert island thread. (Plus, I know a couple of these may have been mentioned, so forgive me.) These are really in no particular order. I just wanted to come up with ten. #1: Porgy and Bess, with Louis and Ella. I would include this recording in any desert island confinement, whether it be soundtrack-specific or general. You can complain about the 50s arrangements and Ella's too-perfect diction ("You're *going* to live easy, you're *going* to live high), but I love these geniuses so much, they can do no wrong. They were a generation or two before me, but I hope younger people are lucky enough and hip enough to discover Joni in the same way I found and loved these two. #2. Midnight Cowboy Everybody's talking at me, but when we get to Miami, call me Rico. #3. Arthur, The Kinks "Long ago life was clean, sex was bad and obscene, and the rich were so mean . . . Victoria was my Queen." That just about sums up all of British history and most of Western civ. Ray Davies is so underrated, he makes Joni look positively worshipped. #4. Animal House The soundtrack to what may be my generation's most perfect comedy. (Even if it is about the previous generation.) As Dean Wormer said, "Drunk, fat and stupid is no way to go through life, son." "Louie, Louie," "Shout," and Paul and Paula on one incredible album/CD/casette. How great is that? "Knowledge is good." #5. The Big Easy Long before it was Michael Paz's nickname, the Big Easy was a great soundtrack album to a movie I have still never seen. "Iko Iko" absolutely does weird things to me, and "Tipitina" and "Closer to You" make me turn on the air conditioning in December. #6. The Fisher King A very strange movie with an even stranger soundtrack which also has Ethel Merman content. I'm there! #7. Tommy, The Who Being deaf, dumb and blind, I love this shit! #8. The Wizard of Oz You don't have to be gay to be a friend of Dorothy, munchkins. As Steve Polifka mentioned earlier today, I am all over any Bert Lahr/Cowardly Lion shtick. "If I were kingggggg of the forrrrrrrrestttt . . ." And what's better than "Over the Rainbow?" People have been trying to top Judy's rendition since 1939. Good luck. And by the way, you know when the Wicked Witch's minions are singing that song that sounds like "Oreo, oreeeeo?" Check it out next time you watch it. They're singing, "Oh we loathe the old one." How cool is that? #9. Chicago Gotta be the Chita Rivera/Gwen Verdon version for me. I saw it on Broadway in the early 70s. I thought Jerry Orbach was old then, and he was probably younger than I am now! I was almost converted to a full-fledged, high-steppin', Broadway-musicals-lovin' homo by this one. Then I went running home to my mother. #10. Priscilla, Queen of the Desert "Action . . . I like to give it, I like to get some too . . ." This may have the happiest and the best of all the disco classics in one place. And lots of kitsch, too. "Billy, Don't Be a Hero," "I've Never Been to Me," etc. Just some thoughts, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:54:08 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > And now we find that Steve T will be leaving us for a while, just because I > referred to him as Amelio. Yes, that was it! That plus my No No to Norah must have put him over the top. How extraordinarily sensitive! He must be one of those Joni fans. :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:02:20 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings At 10/1/2002 08:32 PM, kakki wrote that she heard this uttered live: >"Joni had more class than Gomer Pyle/Nixon..." We need to find the person who said this... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:03:10 -0500 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: NJC - WLW & Midwestern Hayride/Bryan Bryan, A few years ago there was an exhibit at the Union Terminal on Ruth Lyons and all she did for Cincinnati. I remember them well, along with Uncle Al, Wendy, Skipper Rile, and The Cool Ghoul. Are you from that area? Kasey > My mother sang with Skeeter Davis when it was the Davis Sisters. > They were on the Midwestern Hay Ride, on WLW in Cincinnati Kasey I can't believe someone else on this list remembers "Midwestern Hayride." I never really enjoyed the show, but reading your post made me a little nostaligic, thinking of the WLW broadcasting Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana mini-empire and more innocent times...innocent, at least, in terms of what was broadcast. Remember...Ruth Lyons, Bob Braun, Paul Dixon, Marion Spellman...and Bonnie Lou, for Pete's sake! Bryan Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:11:49 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Hey Sherelle Hey THAT'S my tune! Love Paz (getting ready to run for cover downtown away from this swollen swamp. Will try to post tomorrow. I am available by cell and WILL try to report. Sherelle I wanted to do that one with you last time but I only had 20 minutes and for once it wasn't MY fault!! Heee heee Paz on 9/28/02 7:01 AM, Chuck Eisenhardt at chuck@chucke.net wrote: > Sherelle, > > I am playing around with 'Knocks Me off My Feet' and I think > I've got it pretty much worked out. What's your key? (Please > say 'C'... but...whatever!) > > Your 'Eleanor Ribgy' treatment knocks ME out! I think you should > send this up to Les and perhaps he can post an mpeg? Everybodu > should hear this! > > Chucke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:05:03 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings Les, Yes, maybe you should put up a WANTED notice on the website ;-) - here is the proper quote: "Joni you have more class than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon or Gomer Pyle combined" (at 5:23 on the Cold Blue Steel track. It's a guy without a Brit accent so it wasn't Dulson, but he did a big whoop ;-) While hunting for it I found some chatter I'd missed before - before the Van Gogh bit at around 3:10 on the Blue track some were yelling out requests and one girl yelled "Carey goddamit!" Then she whined "Carey." Then another girl yelled "Play what you want!" and Joni cracked up. Kakki > At 10/1/2002 08:32 PM, kakki wrote that she heard this uttered live: > >"Joni had more class than Gomer Pyle/Nixon..." > > We need to find the person who said this... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:30:23 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Travelogue kakki wrote: > > I don't get the outrage! It's listed at CDNow for around $31.00. Hey, it's > a 2 CD set. Oh, Kakki, all feels right with the world with you again speaking up on Joni's behalf. There's something very reassuring about that. I say that fondly and with no sarcasm intended anywhere at all (just in case anyone reads it that way). Yes, it's sweet. > Van Morrison's Philosopher's Stone is still listed at $31.00. > The Beatles Anthology 2 CD sets are $31.00. The Byrds 2 CD PreFlyte is > $31.00, etc. and buying two CDs separately or together from any artist is > going to usually total over $31.00. Travelogue still seems ripoffingly high to me. I haven't bought any of the 2 cd sets you mention and am used to going into HMV and getting new releases for around $12.99, occasionally even as low as $8.99, which feels like a fair enticement to get me to buy a new cd right away, so this $31.50-$35.00 seems steep. It's full price and a rather high one at that for two separate cds, and yet there's no choice about buying one or two. Doesn't feel quite right. Anyway, November 19 is weeks away so maybe the initial selling price will be changed before then, and those prices are some kind of trial balloon (if the record industry does that kind of thing). > No one was forced to buy the hatbox - > one could have bought the no frills version for $15.00. Here's another > idea - go trade in the CDs you don't like for a credit to build toward it - > I may do that - hahaha. Good idea. And true about not being forced to buy the hatbox... in my case compulsive fanhood came into play (sounds like a disease; felt like it too when I was in line waiting to pay $50+ for what looked like a flimsy gimmick, and feeling incredibly annoyed about that, and yet I paid; it wasn't my usual oh boy! new joni! experience). These days my compulsive fanhood is a bit more under control (until November 18 anyway). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:17:21 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue Debra, I need to find a cheaper place to buy - it seems everywhere I go I'm paying $17-18 for a new release. Ordering online doesn't help when one throws in the shipping cost. I bet the price will go down a bit. There is still the question of whether she is doing this to fulfill her contract for the last 2 CDs. Someone here mentioned there is going to be a little book and some paintings with it - maybe that adds to the price, too. I bought 4 of the hatboxes - two for gifts and two to keep - (none were damaged). I liked it even though it was a money splurge. For the past few years I've always had a little fear of "will this be her last one?" so it makes me go more overboard at this point, I guess! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 02:03:29 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Travelogue kakki wrote: > > I bought 4 of the hatboxes - two for gifts and two to keep - (none were > damaged). I liked it even though it was a money splurge. Lucky you that none of the 4 were damaged! My cd was so scratched it skipped horribly and I ended up returning the whole thing and later getting just the plain cd. > For the past few > years I've always had a little fear of "will this be her last one?" so it > makes me go more overboard at this point, I guess! Considering the way she talks about wanting to only paint, that fear about each cd being her last makes sense. I don't believe her, though, especially since she's been saying that for 30 years. Based on what she's done with her life, I think she needs to create music just as (and maybe even more) compulsively as she needs to paint so I expect to hear more music from her, including some new stuff in a few years, provided she stays healthy and I hope that's always the case. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "A Travelogue" Hold on, everyone! $35 (US Dollars) is the *LIST* price! Amazon.com shows these list prices of other 2-cd sets: "The Beatles" (aka the white album): $34.98, "The Wall" by Pink Floyd, $34.98. Better now? Would you rather have "Revolution #9" and Ringo singing "Good Night" or Herbie, Wayne, and Joni doing a newly orchestrated "Ludwig's Tune"? SIGN ME UP!! Les, would you please uns*b everyone who disagrees with me, right now? Thanks! Lama New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 02:53:30 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: TRAVELOUGE Im sure that the price that y all are hearing is the suggested retail price...Now im not sure if your local record store has sales but im sure that Borders will put it on sale( i used to work there and all new releases worth a damn were always onsale)So im sure you can find it cheaper than 30 bux...Im lookin foward to hearing this album so much and for all the "haters" out there just dont buy it....Peace and Love to all***kev**** ps I always thought BSN was supposed to be a box of chocolate.. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #401 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)