From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #386 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 386 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: September 22 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: September 22 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #385 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: James Taylor (njc) [Richard Goldman ] RE: James Taylor (and wasps) NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Painting 'Starry Night' with different colours ["William" ] bats...lots of bats (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] The joy and frustration of supporting obscure singer-songwriters njc (long) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: bats...lots of bats (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] continuing victor's thread of surprise performances NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: DJRD and Dog Eat Dog [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: DJRD and Dog Eat Dog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #274 [colin ] Re: JT - SJC [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: James Taylor njc [dsk ] joni's words [dsk ] Mingus article [dsk ] Richard Thompson's Live Mock Tudor cd [njc] [dsk ] More RT stuff [njc] [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:01:05 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 22 1986: Joni performed at Farm Aid in Champaigne, Illinois. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/FarmAid85.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:01:05 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 22 On September 22 the following item was published: 1994: "It's time to pay that debt to Joni Mitchell" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/940922sdu.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:15:01 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #385 Owen suggested that Joni redo the songs of "Dog Eat Dog" without... uhmmm.... how do I say this delicately...... without Thomas Dolby's overbearing, damnable, ham fisted production touches this time. I'm not looking at the CD to verify, but I believe Dolby only produced or co-produced two or three of the DED songs.... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:26:10 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: James Taylor (njc) James is performing at both of the two Bridge School Benefit concerts this year, Saturday and Sunday, Oct. 26 and 27, at the Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountainview, CA and . . . tickets go on sale tomorrow/Sunday morning. The lineup so far is: Saturday: Neil Young, James Taylor, Thom Yorke, Jack Johnson, Leann Rimes, Ryan Adams, Vanessa Carlton, Tenacious D, Foo Fighters Sunday: Same as Saturday but The Other Ones, instead of Foo Fighters with "special guests" TBA each day. Richard n.p. http:///www.wpkn.org live stream... - ---- >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:36:56 -0700 >From: "Victor Johnson" >Subject: Re: James Taylor (njc) > >> I agree wholeheartedly agree with you except I don't see James Taylor in >that >> group. >> I wonder what Join thinks of his music. I find him so so boring. >> Stephen > >I wasn't terribly interested in JT either until I saw him live in Chapel >Hill in 1991. He totally won me over, in essence, probably making more of >a dramatic impression on me than anyone else I ever saw live. I didn't see >him live again until 2000 at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta. In some ways, I >think his music is similiar to Nick Drake, with stronger vocal ability. >Its so personal and deceptively simple yet if you allow yourself to be >drawn in, you see how warm and endlessly complex it really is. But I think >you really need to see him in person to fully appreciate his music. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:10:47 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: James Taylor (and wasps) NJC >>Victor, wondering what the life span of a wasp is as the same one has been passively crawling around the window for two days now<< A sociologist writes: Don't know about wasps, or WASPS, but George Jackson in his Soledad Letters makes a nice point. He mentions the life span of the May fly (Ephemera) as being 4 hours. He imagines a May fly being born in the middle of the night and realises that there is no way to explain the concept of day and night to this insect which will die before the sun comes up. He was making a point about opposed, immovable political factions if I remember correctly. This insect derives it's name from the adjective 'ephemeral'. mike in barcelona, where the summer holidays are ephemeral NP. Lloyd Cole - Rattlesnakes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:23:33 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Painting 'Starry Night' with different colours Joni talking about BSN; "Singing my own material, I often worked on not being a showy singer," she explains. "The point was to deliver the text with emotional honesty and because of the density of the lyrics there was no room for embellishing. But this music allows the voice to string out like a fishing line and ride the curves like a surfer. And when you're singing with an orchestra and all that brass swells up, you've got no choice but to let it carry you, to sing louder and brighter and do things you maybe never did before. Most pop music is very compressed and even, but when you're out there in front of all those instruments and you hear that huge sound coming at you, it's a thrilling, Big Kahuna moment." Should be interesting to see how she sings her old songs 'louder and brighter' 'not being a showy singer'. Roll on November! WtS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:00:41 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Kasey wrote:: "My friend is also sending me the Blue CD. Do you have this one?" May I answer on behalf of the entire list ? "YES !" "What are some of your favorite tracks? " The correct response is 'all ten of them'. Of particular note are the closing three tracks - perhaps the most emotionally open and musically gripping finishing stretch in the history of popular music. Bob S. PS - for many years, if asked, I would have replied that 'Little Green' was the least strong song on the album. Then, I found out what it was about. When you get the album, let us know what you think Little Green is about (if you do not already know). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:23:25 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Anne (NJC) I just called Anne in the hospital to see how she was doing........and she said, "Russ should be here any minute, I am leaving the hospital TODAY!!!!!!" Damn, that girl is good. Russ walked in literally right after she said that, so I don't have any more news than that, but I'm sure you will hear from her directly soon!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:28:37 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: James Taylor njc Victor wrote: **Did anyone else ever have an experience like that, where you weren't really that interested in someone's music and then you saw them live and it completely changed your perspective?** This happened to me twice. The first time was Bruce Springsteen in 1979. I had only heard Darkness on the Edge of Town and didn't like his voice. His concert was incredible though and I've been a fan ever since. I have to admit, I've gotten sort of tired of him lately, but I think Born to Run is one of the best albums of all time. I have to agree with Bob on Richard Thompson, too. His CD's never grabbed me, but I decided to take a risk and go to his concert and I was in complete awe! Kerry NP - Claudia SanSoucie - Better Run ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:51:7 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: bats...lots of bats (njc) Last night, I was walking over by the newly restored Grove Arcade in downtown Asheville when I looked up and saw several hundred bats swirling around in the air above the arcade. They were staying in pretty much one area, moving around within a small circumference. I have never seen anything like it. I'm not really sure what drew them there. There were just so many...at least three hundred or so. Victor np: rain that has been falling steadily all weekend - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:12:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The joy and frustration of supporting obscure singer-songwriters njc (long) heard a good one last night...we go to a regular series here that brings in some as-good-as-it- gets-but-not-a-household-name talent...last night was jimmy lafave & eliza gilkinson who both blew the roof off...jimmy (who does dylan better than dylan, imo) said that he likes to look at it this way- he travels around the country doing shows & selling maybe a dozen cds at each to a highly discriminating audience... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:40:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Anne (NJC) this is great news!!!! yay anne!!! & thank you ashara! >> I just called Anne in the hospital to see how she was doing........and she said, "Russ should be here any minute, I am leaving the hospital TODAY!!!!!!" Damn, that girl is good. Russ walked in literally right after she said that, so I don't have any more news than that, but I'm sure you will hear from her directly soon!!! << ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:26:55 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: bats...lots of bats (njc) In a message dated 9/22/02 12:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > . I'm not really sure what drew them there. There were > just so many...at least three hundred or so. > > Perhaps it was the full moon? ~rosalita in nj enjoying the indian summer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: continuing victor's thread of surprise performances NJC > Victor wrote: > > **Did anyone else ever have an experience like that, where you > weren't > really > that interested in someone's music and then you saw them live and it > completely changed your perspective?** > > tom rush and eleanor mcevoy. saw tom rush back in the spring in toronto at hugh's room, the folk club where joni showed up at eric anderson's gig last october the week she was in town for the hommage. awesome!!! eleanor mcevoy. in philadelphia at the tin angel in august.. wow! she was so good! played much of the work from Yola, which we happened to get before it was released in the US. (thanks Garrett!!_) an assortment of canadians i saw over the past year too were equally breath taking... lisa winn, david bradstreet, david rogers (stan rogers son), garnet rogers , tannis slimmon *saw her twice* awesome! tom prasada-rao (at gregg cagno's gig in march) gregg cagno always fresh and new each time :-), and finally the crew from the tears for a thousand years cd release party last fall. lynn harrison (shes american, anyone know her?) brent titcomb, scott cameron smith (david rogers step father) katherine wheatley, fireweed, aengus finnan, fireweed (known as the csn of the north)...guess that bout covers it for me for this past year. Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:39:15 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Re: CLARIFY DJRD COMMENT on 9/22/02 3:00 AM, JMDL Digest at les@jmdl.com wrote: > > JMDL Digest Sunday, September 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 385 > > > > The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Today's Library Links: September 21 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] > CLARIFY DJRD COMMENT [Cactustree78@aol.com] > Re: "Produced by Joni Mitchell" [Richard Goldman Re; america NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] > Re: CLARIFY DJRD COMMENT [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Re: Fw: new to list NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] > Re: produced by Joni Mitchell [SMC1254@aol.com] > Re: James Taylor (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] > Re: James Taylor (njc) ["mack watson-bush" ] > new kid/njc ["kasey simpson" ] > Patricia Barber (SJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] > re: revisiting dog eat dog ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Bristols, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] > Re: James Taylor (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] > new Bonnie Raitt njc ["Mark or Travis" ] > cd shopping njc ["Mark or Travis" ] > Re: James Taylor (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Re: James Taylor (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] > The joy and frustration of supporting obscure singer-songwriters njc (long) > [AzeemAK@aol] > Re: The joy and frustration of supporting obscure singer-songwriters njc > (long) [SCJoniGuy] > Re: Continents - NJC ["gene mock" ] > Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #274 [StDoherty@aol.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:13:45 -0400 > From: ljirvin@adelphia.net > Subject: Today's Library Links: September 21 > > On September 21 the following items were published: > > 1966: "Folksongs" - Variety > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/660921v.cfm > > 1974: "By the time we got through Neasden..." - Sounds > (Review - Concert, with photographs) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/740921s.cfm > > 1974: "Wembley Frolics" - Disc Magazine > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/740921dm.cfm > > 1998: "Joni at The Old Town School of Folk Music" - Chicago Tribune > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980921ct.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 04:06:06 -0400 > From: Cactustree78@aol.com > Subject: CLARIFY DJRD COMMENT > > A lil while back i posted saying that DJRD was better on vinyl than cd....Well > i think im gonna have to retract that statement...Dont get me wrong it sounds > great on vinyl but for some reason the other day listening to the cd I feel > you get a bettre feel of what Joni wanted us to hear.. I realize this album > gets thrown to the wayside because joni needed to fulfill a contract but i > honestly believe that when its all said and done it will go down as one of her > very best and most innovated works...can you tell i dig it alot?? Another > quick side bar....my friends new boyfriend and I were talkin about Joni the > other day and he referred to "Joni's black music and Joni's white music" have > any of you heard that before...he was sayin how Hejira was her first black > album and how Joni gets more "props" from the african american community than > from white folks...especially for her 80s stuff...ive never heard that before > hope all are havin a great weekend***kev*** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:40:05 -0700 > From: Richard Goldman > Subject: Re: "Produced by Joni Mitchell" > > At 3:00 AM -0400 9/21/02, JMDL Digest wrote: >> >> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:14:58 -0400 >> From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" >> Subject: "Produced by Joni Mitchell" >> >> In many interviews, she's said that she "doesn't know what the word means". >> Sometimes she says that she generally doesn't work with "outside" producers >> 'cause she doesn't "want someone ELSE'S brush strokes" on her canvas. >> >> That said, I wouldn't be the first person to notice that she gave some >> people a great amount of creative freedom to move around within her canvas. >> Jaco for example at the very begining of "Sweet Sucker Dance". Just before >> her vocal starts, he put this figure in that practically steps on her. Most >> people wouldn't have left that in there but it really builds tension in a >> jazz way. There's no way (in my opinion anyway) that a rock bassist like >> John Entwistle would have stepped into that particular space. It says >> oceans about Joni's thirst to collaborate in those days, and about the fact >> that she had some really, really wonderful players with her. >> >> Maybe there's chapter to be written called "Joni's sidemen". Hmmmmm. >> Stills, jt, Shorter, Erskine, Blade, Hancock, Jaco, Larry, shit! That's >> just for starters! >> >> Lama > > Brilliant collaboration, it seems to me. Brilliant in the direction of > genius. > > Richard in San Francisco > > n.p. Doug Echols spinning live on WPKN-FM, 89.5 FM in Bridgeport, CT, > http://www.wpkn.org live feed... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:37:53 +0000 > From: "Mike Pritchard" > Subject: Re; america NJC > > Patrick wrote (to wally) > >>> i think you did accidentally make a misstatement about americo (i've > always > seen it spelled amerigo) vespucci. his own voyages may have only been to > south america, but the name "america" does come from his name, because he > was the navigator on columbus' first voyage, which landed in the > Caribbean<< > > to which mike now adds > > and Stevie Wonder wrote > > *Guide of a ship, on the first Columbus trip was a brown man* although > Stevie names him as Pedro Alonzo Nino. If a navigator is a guide, as I > believe is the case, then was Vespucci or Alonzo the guide. And if Alonzo > was brown (sounds Spanish to me) what colour was Vespucci? Eduardo > Galeano mentions Vespucci only twice in his 'Memory of Fire' trilogy. The > quote is as follows: > > The ocean will not be named the Sea of Columbus; nor will the new world > bear his name, but that of his Florentine friend Amerigo Vespucci, > navigator and pilot master. But it was Columbus who found dazzling color > that didn't exist in the European rainbow. Blind, he dies without seeing > it. > > mike in barcelona, from where Columbus started his journey to the 'new > world' > > NP Stevie Wonder. Black Man > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:13:22 EDT > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Subject: Re: CLARIFY DJRD COMMENT > > **A lil while back i posted saying that DJRD was better on vinyl than > cd....Well i think im gonna have to retract that statement...** > > Well, you can't lose either way, Kev, that's for sure. I find that DJRD is > not a cd I put on as background. It always seems to demand my full attention. > With the LP, it was sometimes nice to be able to break from each side, merely > to digest it all - especially PP. With the cd, it all keeps coming which is > pretty awesome as well. > > Oh yeah, I dig it a lot too! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "DED", Rock Master Class > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:54:50 -0400 > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Subject: Re: Fw: new to list NJC > > Hi Kasey!! > >> Maybe one >> day we'll meet. > > Yeah...Great!! > > How long have you been a fan of JM? > > Oh....since a babe....1976.....been in Joniland ever since. I have her > complete catalog....videos..and I collect Joni stuff as well as the Beatles. > She is my all-time favorite singer/songwriters. As much as I love the > Beatles.....there were four of them and only one Joni. And in her case two > heads *are not* better than one. (a line from Twisted off Court & > Spark.....only she sings... two heads ARE better than one) > > > Do you like Skyline? > > I do....but my favorite is Gold Star Chili. For most of the people on the > list don't know this: Cincinnati is famous for it's chile.....their > three-ways and four-ways and yes...FIVE-WAYS. > FIVE-WAYS:chile,spaghetti,cheese,beans,onions. I have to have a fix at > least once a week. > > Kasey so you don't get yelled at by a lister....always remember to put NJC > in the subject line. Now....if contains joni info...well you don't need to > put it. OR a little joni info...in the subject line you would put SJC. > (some Joni content). Also, when replying to someones post.. be sure to > remove anything in the post that is not pertinent to what you want to > discuss. That way people don't have to reread something they have already > read and is not relevant to what you want to point out or comment > on...discuss etc... > > I thought I would tell you this so you would not get your feelings hurt and > then make you shy about posting. And not to worry we have all forgotten the > NJC....believe me...you will not be the first nor the last of forget. ;-) > > Later... > > Bree > > > > Kasey > ___________________________________________________________ >> Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >> http://explorer.msn.comGet >> more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:00:52 EDT > From: SMC1254@aol.com > Subject: Re: produced by Joni Mitchell > > I agree wholeheartedly agree with you except I don't see James Taylor in that > group. > I wonder what Join thinks of his music. I find him so so boring. > Stephen > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:36:56 -0700 > From: "Victor Johnson" > Subject: Re: James Taylor (njc) > >> I agree wholeheartedly agree with you except I don't see James Taylor in > that >> group. >> I wonder what Join thinks of his music. I find him so so boring. >> Stephen > > I wasn't terribly interested in JT either until I saw him live in Chapel > Hill in 1991. He totally won me over, in essence, probably making more of > a dramatic impression on me than anyone else I ever saw live. I didn't see > him live again until 2000 at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta. In some ways, I > think his music is similiar to Nick Drake, with stronger vocal ability. > Its so personal and deceptively simple yet if you allow yourself to be > drawn in, you see how warm and endlessly complex it really is. But I think > you really need to see him in person to fully appreciate his music. > > Did anyone else ever have an experience like that, where you weren't really > that interested in someone's music and then you saw them live and it > completely changed your perspective? > > Victor, wondering what the life span of a wasp is as the same one has been > passively crawling around the window for two days now > > > > > > > > > > > - --- Victor Johnson > - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com > "Roses wait for the springtime, > They sleep beneath the ground. > They hear March winds a callin' > For the sun to come around."vlj > > Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:14:37 -0500 > From: "mack watson-bush" > Subject: Re: James Taylor (njc) > > Victor wrote: > > > deceptively simple yet if you allow yourself to be >> drawn in, you see how warm and endlessly complex it really is. But I > think >> you really need to see him in person to fully appreciate his music. > > Always liked his music. The single released "up on the roof" captivated me > (the version on the album itself is different and not quite as good) and > thus I bought the album. It, like the other three I have, didn't make a > great first impression but over time I wouldn't give any of them up. > > As for the wasp, not long if it cannot get outside. I always trap > non-killer spiders (black widows and recluses) and let them outside as I do > with wasps of any kind except yellow jackets. The latter sting for no > reason and have to go, though it hurts me to do it. Writing of hurting, > just killed three roosters (as I was stung multiple times by the fire ants > which have made it to my house) which now have to be cut up and prepared, or > frozen. But yum, will have a great lunch. > > > mack > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:35:19 -0500 > From: "kasey simpson" > Subject: new kid/njc > > Bree, > Thanks for starting me out on the right foot here. I will save your post and > refer > back to it for awhile. My friend is also sending me the Blue CD. Do you have > this one? > What are some of your favorite tracks? Oh, and I forgot to mention, the other > two > things I love about Cincinnati; LaRosa, and Greaters. I'm thinking I may have > to make > a trip there soon:) If I do I'll let you know. > Again Thanks, > Kasey Get more from the Web. FREE > MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:57:59 EDT > From: FMYFL@aol.com > Subject: Patricia Barber (SJC) > > I just read a review on jazz musician Patricia Barber's new CD "Verse". I've > heard people mention her before, but I'll have to give a listen to this one. > > > "In a loose way" she says "VERSE is a Patricia Barber homage to Joni > Mitchell" -the Joni Mitchell of 1976's "Hejira", Barber's favorite album from > the legendary Canadian folksinger. > > I'm not sure how her music is, but she's got great taste! > > Happy Weekend, > Jimmy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:54:33 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" > Subject: re: revisiting dog eat dog > > Owen suggested that Joni redo the songs of "Dog Eat Dog" without... > uhmmm.... how do I say this delicately...... without Thomas Dolby's > overbearing, damnable, ham fisted production touches this time. > > :) > > (I couldn't figure out how to say it delicately.) > > Anyway, this sounds like a good idea but asking Our Lady of Duality to > revisit old material was (until recently, ahem!) unlikely. It might be a > neat project for Henning/Christina or our ex-patriot and studio-meister, > Marcel, to tackle. The thing is though, how many among the general public > would want to hear covers of an album that most disliked to begin with? > > Lama > > np: the radio, playing a (new?) Bonnie Raitt track that sounds like it came > right off of Paul Simon's "Graceland", which Lama thinks is also a pretty > good idea. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:34:02 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" > Subject: Bristols, njc > > In addition to those nicknames already noted by my esteemed colleagues, I'll > add that my mother used the term "bazooms". :) > > In middle America (ha!) we also called uhmmm..... usually noticeable ones > "cannons" or "bazookas". Don't know why artillery was the association. > Also "rack", or "a nice _set_." I imagine that "boobs" and "boobies" were > already in the mix. Is someone compiling a list? > > Lama > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:35:42 -0700 > From: "Mark or Travis" > Subject: Re: James Taylor (njc) > >> Did anyone else ever have an experience like that, where you weren't > really >> that interested in someone's music and then you saw them live and it >> completely changed your perspective? > > Rickie Lee Jones last summer. Fell completely in love with her after > disliking her & pretty much ignoring her for years. Now after seeing her > perform live I can't get enough of her. > > Mark E. in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:47:04 -0700 > From: "Mark or Travis" > Subject: new Bonnie Raitt njc > >> np: the radio, playing a (new?) Bonnie Raitt track that sounds like it > came >> right off of Paul Simon's "Graceland", which Lama thinks is also a pretty >> good idea. >> > > Must be 'Hear Me Lord' from the new one. I'm really getting into this cd. > Does anyone know who Jude Johnstone is? The last track 'Wounded Heart' was > written by him and it's a gorgeous, heart-wrenching song. There was some > talk about Bonnie's 'earthy' side. 'Gnawin' On It' is a prime example of > that. 'Silver Lining' is highly recommended. > > Mark E. in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:00:58 -0700 > From: "Mark or Travis" > Subject: cd shopping njc > > Walked to Tower Records on Friday at lunch and was delighted to find they > had their WEA cds on sale. Picked up three Emmylou Harris cds. 'Quarter > Moon in a Ten Cent Town' which I have had on vinyl for years plus 'Elite > Hotel' and 'Cowgirl's Prayer' which I have never owned. All are stellar > efforts from Emmylou. Judging from the lyrics of 'Prayer in Open D', 1993 > must not have been a great year for Emmylou either. She really writes > beautifully. I hope she does more of it. > > The other cd I bought was Judy Collins' 'Who Knows Where the Time Goes'. > More and more I am struck by the incredible emotional depth that Judy > reaches in her interpretations. And this one has her own beautiful song 'My > Father' on it. I am more & more impressed by Judy's writing ability as > well. > > I saw a new Jane Monheit cd at Tower but did not buy it. One of the tracks > listed was 'Since You've Asked'. Also 'Love Has No Pride'. It will be > interesting to see what Jane does with these. I'm glad she continues to > keep her repertoire fairly eclectic. It seems that some of the music of the > 60s and 70s is gradually infiltrating the realm of 'standards'. > > Mark E in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:54:54 EDT > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Subject: Re: James Taylor (njc) > > **Did anyone else ever have an experience like that, where you weren't really > that interested in someone's music and then you saw them live and it > completely changed your perspective?** > > I was always kind of lukewarm about Richard Thompson (though I thought Mock > Tudor was incredible), but when I saw him live he was incredible! He > definitely made me a believer. And to add to the pleasure, I was introduced > to singer-songwriter Amy Correia, who also was fabulous and who is probably > working on a new one, I hopes! > > Bob > > NP: Andy Summers, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:54:51 -0400 > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Subject: Re: James Taylor (njc) > >> **Did anyone else ever have an experience like that, where you weren't >> really >> that interested in someone's music and then you saw them live and it >> completely changed your perspective?** > > Joni..1976. I guess you could say it changed my perspective.... (big, big > understatement) > > Bree > > > >> Bob >> >> NP: Andy Summers, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:34:40 EDT > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > Subject: The joy and frustration of supporting obscure singer-songwriters njc > (long) > > Sorry about the tremendously laboured title, folks. That sub-editing job I > went for, they never return my calls... > > I went to a wonderful gig tonight, one that also left me quite gloomy in one > respect. Robin Holcomb was playing London's Purcell Room, a small-ish but > quite prestigious London venue. It was part of a week-long festival called > The Song's The Thing, which, as the name implies, celebrates songwriters > across a wide range of styles. Among the acts featured this year are Lee > Hazelwood, Riuichi Sakamoto, Erland Oye (from Kings of Convenience) and > Kirsty MacColl (a big memorial concert on Monday). > > Robin Holcomb was paired with Jeb Loy Nichols; a less starry brace of > performers you could not dream up without a great deal of effort, and to > expect them to fill a 360-seat venue proved sadly over-optimistic. I don't > suppose they'd register much more than a blip on the radar even in their home > country (America - um, or should that be the USA...) - here, there were > between 50 and 60 people in the place. > > Mind you, those few people were as attentive as any audience I can remember. > You could have heard a feather drop while she was playing, and the applause > was enthusiastic. She came on with a smile and a curtsy, told us that she > was recovering from a nasty cold, and then proceeded to charm the pants off > us for three quarters of an hour or so. > > Her voice is an acquired taste, no question, but to me she sang beautifully > tonight in her quirky way. Her lyrics are outstanding; concise, elliptical, > sometimes mysterious, sometimes poignant. Come to think of it, the same > adjectives apply to her tunes! And her musicianship is pretty special: this > is a woman who had been on the modern jazz scene for years as a composer and > pianist, keeping company with Wayne Horvitz, Bill Frisell, Bobby Previte and > so on. Her songs are very unusually constructed, with shades of jazz, folk, > Minimalism and American neo-classical all discernible. > > In short, Robin Holcomb is a unique artist. This concert will get a short > review in one of the broadsheets if it is VERY lucky, and otherwise will pass > without a murmur. This is what makes me slightly gloomy. Of course, all of > us on this list have our favourite obscure performers, and I'm sure we all > gnash our teeth at the injustice of how they struggle to reach an audience > and scratch a living, while talentless and passionless mannequins clean up at > the bank and the back-room boys and girls plot the next steps in the quest to > excise the soul from music. > > Still, next to all the frustration, I have the joy of re-discovering all the > time that there is great music and great songs being written and that, > despite all the odds, some of it DOES actually get out into the world. And > this list has been responsible for introducing me to some of it, for which > I'm extremely grateful. > > I hope that Joni's imminent offering is part of the solution! Personally, > I'm awaiting it with a certain amount of trepidation (I'm not the only one, > I'll bet), not having enjoyed BSN beyond the first listen, and seriously > doubting that I'll enjoy this one any more. > > Azeem in London > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:51:12 EDT > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Subject: Re: The joy and frustration of supporting obscure singer-songwriters > njc (long) > > **Mind you, those few people were as attentive as any audience I can > remember. ** > > That IS the benefit of going to a show like that, Azeem. The folks that are > all are all there to see & hear the artist, and they are respectful and > attentive. You don't have people gabbing or otherwise disrupting the > performance. When I saw Glenn Tillbrook here last year, the crowd was small > but very much into it, and so was Glenn. He jumped off the stage, led us all > around the bar, even invited a couple folks to join him onstage for a song. > > I would much rather spend my money and time on a show of this nature than go > to basketball arenas to deal with people who are just there to see & be seen. > > Thanks for your report - I always enjoy reading your reviews. > > Bob > > NP: Ray Brown, "Both Sides Now" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:03:57 -0700 > From: "gene mock" > Subject: Re: Continents - NJC > > hello all, and thanks for all the joni fest info, pics, and sounds. anyway > there may well be 5 continents and 7 seas but we are all one earth. what > happens to one continent or one sea will affect us all. wish there was some > way we could spread some joni-dust about. everyone would be for the better. > take care gene > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dsk" > To: "hell" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: Continents - NJC > > >> hell wrote: >>> >>> Kate wrote: >>> >>>> hell thanks for all that info, that is so interesting! >>> >>> I'm glad someone liked it! It is interesting though. >> >> I think so too! Thanks, Hell, for going back to the memory banks and >> books and writing all that out. And the site you mentioned is great -- I >> love the picture of that marbled bowling ball. It is so pure looking... >> >> Debra Shea > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:39:46 EDT > From: StDoherty@aol.com > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #274 > > In a message dated 9/21/2002 3:01:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > >> Does anyone else agree that it would be a great (and not too time-consuming >> or expensive) project for Joni to return to 'Dog Eat Dog' and, keeping the >> original vocals, remaster it in a more timeless form? Just acoustic piano >> and guitar on some of those songs would be delicious! I think DED would be >> judged a lot more fairly were it more in keeping with the production of her >> other work - I truly believe they're great songs but a lot of people cant >> listen to them because of how they sound. I often sing them just myself and >> piano - songs like 'the Three Great Stimulants' and 'Impossible Dreamer' >> sound great this way. Joni probably wouldnt want to return to a finished >> project, on the other hand she certainly seems to feel it deeply when one >> of >> her 'babies' doesnt get a fair run... well, its a shame she doesn't read >> the >> list (not that she'd listen to me Im sure!)! >> > > Enough already. Dog Eat Dog's a fine recording without any revisitng. The > songs' arrangements are fine. > > ------------------------------ > > Kev wrote: 'listening to the cd I feel you get a bettre feel of what Joni wanted us to hear' Kev I agree. The sides on the vinyl are so short -- 14-16 minutes -- -- that I felt that the album ended up seeming chopped up and sort of disconnected. I think this contributed to my lukewarm reaction to it back when it was originally released. On cd, it's one continuous experience. Although, I still feel that there's something 'off' about it. I don't know what any of the business reasons might have been for Joni to release a double album at that time, but something about it doesn't really seem to warrant a two-disc set. The amount of material doesn't really fill out two records. And artistically it just doesn't seem to hold together like, for instance, Hejira or Hissing. I've tried re-sequencing it in different ways, just for fun, to see if there's a better (in my mind) single album there. This is what I've come up with: Side One: Cotton Avenue Paprika Plains Side Two: Otis and Marlena 10th World Dreamland Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:19:11 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD and Dog Eat Dog In a message dated 22/09/2002 18:36:57 GMT Daylight Time, kimerer@taconic.net writes: << I've tried re-sequencing it in different ways, just for fun, to see if there's a better (in my mind) single album there. This is what I've come up with: Side One: Cotton Avenue Paprika Plains Side Two: Otis and Marlena 10th World Dreamland Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >> Ah, Bruce, how could you leave off The Silky Veils of Ardor?? Glad to see you left Side 3 intact, though. My two penn'orth on the modest proposal to agitate for the release of an "unplugged" Dog Eat Dog: YES, DO IT! I find the production horrible, clanky and dated. It sounds as 80s as Cameo's Word Up! album, which sounded state-of-the-art then, and is all but unlistenable now. I wouldn't say the same about DED, but I still find all the noises obtrusive - and as far as I'm concerned Thomas Dolby is the culprit. Another producer looking to add his distinctive sound to a recording, so much that it ends up sounding like him (and it is invariably a he), even unto sounding less like the artiste. Mitchell Froom is instructive in this regard. While I think he's very talented and I like his sound a lot of the time, there was a period when he was producing some very disparate artists (Suzanne Vega, Los Lobos, Richard Thompson, Elvis Costello, Crowded House), and they all ended up sounding like Mitchell Froom records! Azeem in London, escaping from the dreaded tax return NP: Robin Holcomb's first album, inspired by yesterday's concert. It sounds absolutely wonderful, a truly individual voice and talent PS Bruce, you've probably realised this by now, but you copied the whole digest into your post to the list. The JMDL police will be battering at your door ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:08:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD and Dog Eat Dog **Ah, Bruce, how could you leave off The Silky Veils of Ardor?? ** Or "Talk To Me"? Or "Off Night Backstreet"? Or "Jericho"? And left 10th World ON??? Bob, reeling with wooziness - LOL! NP: Ed Harcourt, "Those Crimson Tears" (another 'best of 2002' candidate) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:27:03 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #274 > Enough already. Dog Eat Dog's a fine recording without any revisitng. The > songs' arrangements are fine. here here!(or is it hear hear?) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:24:40 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JT - SJC Stephen wrote "I agree wholeheartedly agree with you except I don't see James Taylor in that group. I wonder what Join thinks of his music. I find him so so boring." Well, I can understand how you feel about that, Stephen. And my actions suggest that I agree with you - I stopped buying his albums after the first 4 or so, even though I like some of what he produces (to the extent that I hear it on the radio), and only occasionally listen to his music. I would say this, though, about JT: 1. He is perhaps the outstanding presenter of the lullaby of my generation - - at that form, he excels, IMO. 2. He is quite an interesting guitarist. I learned quite a bit from learning how to play a number of the songs from his first few albums (I am an 'amateur' , so you might want to factor that in to your reaction). If you play, have you tried any of his material ? 3. I think his accompaniment on Blue (All I Want, California and A Case of You) was quite tasteful, and added a lot to those songs. 4. I think he made great strides over his career as a performer, and became quite good in concert. As an aside, circa 1973 or so, Paul Simon's brother Eddie (who ran a guitar study school in NY) volunteered to me that his brother did not particularly respect JT's work. It does seem to me that JT did not 'keep changing' to the extent that JM (or Paul Simon, for that matter) did. As for boring - I assume you mean his music, rather than him (or could that have been part of the problem with JM and Carly ?) ;-) Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:44:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: James Taylor njc kerry wrote: > > I have to agree with Bob on Richard Thompson, too. His CD's never grabbed > me, but I decided to take a risk and go to his concert and I was in complete > awe! :-) I don't call him my man for nothin'. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:11:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: joni's words In today's NYTimes there's an article about D.D. Allen, a designer (whatever happened to the term "interior decorator") who's designed huge living spaces for clients but who now prefers to live in very small spaces herself. At the start of one of the paragraphs, a Joni phrase is used, even including the comma: "The designer has looked at size from both sides, now. In the late 1970's, she and Joe Allen, the Manhattan-based restaurateur, bought a rambling seven-bedroom 1820 house in Dorset, Vt. "That cured both of us from wanting a large house," said Mr. Allen..." For people curious about the topic in general, the whole article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/19/garden/19ALLE.html So, apparently "looked at [whatever] from both sides, now" is becoming part of the language (in the U.S. anyway), along with "paved paradise" and as someone mentioned recently, words from Circle Game, although I can't remember the exact phrase now. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:23:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Mingus article Sue Mingus wrote an article about Charles Mingus that was in the NYTimes magazine last March. I don't think it was mentioned then, and I see it's once again available without charge: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/17/magazine/17MINGUS.html There's no mention of Joni, but the article does give an interesting close-up view of Mingus. It's hard to imagine strong-willed Joni ever being able to work with strong-willed Mingus, although he was older when they collaborated and sick, and perhaps not as bullish as he comes across in the article. Even so, collaborating must have been a challenge for them both. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:40:27 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Richard Thompson's Live Mock Tudor cd [njc] Since my man is now on my mind, I just recalled that there were a couple of people who wanted to know when the live version of Mock Tudor was released. You can get it here: http://www.richardthompson-music.com/album.asp?id=71 This is a great cd!!! As people who've seen him know, he's at his best in front of an audience, and that energy is captured on this cd. It's still not the same as seeing him live and trying to figure out how he can sound like three guitarists on that one little beat-up acoustic, but it's close. He's also releasing a new studio cd in January, and is planning a full band tour to promote it. Debra Shea NPIMH: the guitar solo on Hard on Me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:47:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: More RT stuff [njc] dsk wrote: > > Since my man is now on my mind, I just recalled that there were a couple > of people who wanted to know when the live version of Mock Tudor was > released. You can get it here: > > http://www.richardthompson-music.com/album.asp?id=71 Additional info: the live Mock Tudor is one of RT's "official bootleg" releases, so it's available only on his website. The January studio cd will be distributed through the usual channels. Through his website, he's also planning to release a cd of his show, "1,000 Years of Popular Music", which he did as a fundraiser for the Getty Museum in LA and in five NYC shows at Joe's Pub recently, where the recordings were made. In those shows he worked his way through 1,000 years of songs that had been part of people's lives, starting with a song from 1040 through to Britney Spears's "Oops", and including songs from the Renaissance, English dance hall tunes, Fats Waller's "Write Myself a Letter", Nat King Cole's "Orange-Colored Sky", and songs by Hank Williams, Prince, the Who, Abba, Crowded House, and the Beatles (no RT songs). Fascinating to hear, in brief, how the sound of "western world" popular music has changed over the centuries! He had to retune his guitar often, and the drummer used different types of drums and different rhythms as the centuries progressed. It was an interesting and extremely enjoyable music history lesson, and with all of his quips, very funny too. I expect it to be another fantastic RT cd. Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #386 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)