From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #384 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 21 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 384 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: bashing njc [dsk ] maps [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC [dsk ] Re: Chonies - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: americas NJC [dsk ] Re: Travelogue question [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Chonies - NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Bristols (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Fwd: Re: Chonies - NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: Chonies - NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] heather!!!!!!! (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: more america NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Jonifest 2002 CD Tree sign-up's are OPEN for bidness!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Ry Cooder ["Blair Fraipont" ] re: revisiting dog eat dog [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC ["patrick leader" ] Re: Bitch & Animal NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: This one really cracks me up! [Gertus@aol.com] Farm Aid Fiasco [Merk54@aol.com] Agnes Scott & joni club ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: still america NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: NJC Isthmus [Catherine McKay ] Re: more america NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: america, america ["kakki" ] Re: maps [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: america, america ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: This one really cracks me up! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Over the Shoulder Boulder Holder njc (warning: not exactly pc) ["Mark or] jonimitchellfans list warning [Rick and Susan ] Re: heather!!!!!!! (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] "Produced by Joni Mitchell" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Note to Anne: njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Continents - NJC [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:19:18 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: bashing njc Michael Paz wrote: > > Typical "gringo" logic. ;-) Gabriel Garcia Marquez has plenty to say on this > topic. He got bent out of shape with this topic claiming that the North > Americans were arrogant to call themselves Americans as IF they were the > only ones. We were taught in Latin America that America' was the whole > bleeding thing from North To South. "Latin America" is what confuses me. When I was a kid there was an article in a National Geographic about Latin America and I couldn't find it on any map. And there was mention in the article about Spanish being the language spoken (although isn't Brazil part of "Latin America"), and no mention of Latin being spoken, so I was thoroughly confused about it. Still am. And yet it's a designation that Garcia Marquez uses so there's nothing derogatory about it from what I can tell. Me, some of my peeps are from Central > America which makes us Central Americans or Latinos which my son wants to > know why that is cause we don't speak Latin we speak spanish, which fuels > the fire under my wifes ass who sez that we are Hispanic because we all > originated from Spain, but that leaves out the connection with all the > tribes in Central America yes my Mayan ancestors, but then maybe we are all > Africans cause that's where it all started isn't it??? The mother land. Isn't that fantastic? That new thinking that "Eve" came from the middle of Africa. That's wonderfully ironic considering it's a continent most people (myself included) know so little about they couldn't even name the countries. > I tried > to find the article about it on the internet for you, but I couldn't find > it. I love his writing and I will keep looking for it for you, it's a good > read. I love his writing, too, and years ago went through a period of reading Latin American writers (and wishing I could read their words in Spanish). If you find the article, I'd like to read it also. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:23:37 -0400 From: dsk Subject: maps [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > > You learn new things every day - there are > probably entire battles being waged behind the scenes > by irate geographers and geologists all yelling at > each other "Is!" "Is not!" "Take that so-called > continent and shove it up your chonies!" and so on. > And we, far from the groves of academe, have > absolutely no idea what plotting and manoeuvering go > on behind those ivied walls. You're right about the battles being waged! Recently I read about the current battle over maps, and how certain countries are always at the top and others at the bottom (and the inferences sometimes made from those positions). According to the people trying to get Rand McNally and other big mapmakers to reconsider the way they show the world, British (I think) mapmakers long ago decided on the orientation we're all used to seeing and now we take those views of the world as "the way it is". In reality, the earth is one big ball in space so how is it decided who's at the top? Relative to what? The article included a world map drawn another way and I felt topsy-turvy just looking at it. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:22:50 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chonies - NJC Mike writes: << Yes, indeed there will be a CMDL. >> Hey, Mike, I'll bet ChoniFest will be a sellout! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:31:54 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: americas NJC Mike Pritchard wrote: > > Five continents (therefore 5 Olympic Rings) and Seven Seas. The > continents, as everyone knows, are Asia, America, Europe, Antarctica, and > Australasia. Is that "accurate" or just a convenient graphic representation? Where's Africa? Plenty of athletes from there. My guess is that Africa's the fifth circle, and that the Olympic Committee didn't include Antarctica because no people other than scientists live there. > There are four oceans, namely, the Pacific, the Atlantic, the Indian, and > the Arctic Ocean. Add the South China Sea, and two more that I can't > remember and there ya go; Seven Seas. I don't know anything about the seas. And, at this point after all this talk about continents, countries and maps am not even curious. Surely there must be some more names for tits... Thelma and Louise? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:34:12 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue question In a message dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:31:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: >I can certainly envision "Sex Kills" in one of these vignettes for a history textbook 50-100 years down > the road. What does everyone else think? > > Mia - np "In the Garage" - Weezer It definitely is a snapshot of what's is wrong with the world today. When Joni says, "Sex kills", is she referring to the AIDS epidemic? Or to sex used in advertising to sell harmful products? Or to the linkage between sex and violence in movies and TV that is poisoning people's minds? Or to all of the above? Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:32:30 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Chonies - NJC Is it just a coincidence these messages about chonies are showing up twice every time, or sometimes three times...or is there something more to that? Maybe there ought to be two choniefests, each a week apart. Victor > Mike writes: > > << Yes, indeed there will be a CMDL. >> > > Hey, Mike, I'll bet ChoniFest will be a sellout! > > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:49:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Bristols (NJC) oh no! now you've done it steve...you weren't there to witness the bobethel...i'm sure he's working on this act as we speak...restraining order or no... steve wrote "You know, a performance by Chonie Mitchell & The Bristols would certainly influence my decision about attending a Joni fest. :)" ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Fwd: Re: Chonies - NJC meant to send this to the choni list too :-) > > > > > Mike writes: > > > > << Yes, indeed there will be a CMDL. >> > > and then Smurphethel writes: > > > > Hey, Mike, I'll bet ChoniFest will be a sellout! > > > and i chime in with: > > i guess we will have to be sure to specify "NCC" (no choni > content)for > the people who like talking about things other than Chonis..although > I > dont know who THAT would be!?!?!??!?!?! and then there's CC, choni > content. > > tired mags, who has been working on forms WAY too long!!!! > > npimh: 50 ways to name your chonies.... > > mamoos > bazoomies > > > > > > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:38:10 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Chonies - NJC Is it just a coincidence these messages about chonies are showing up twice every time, or sometimes three times...or is there something more to that? Maybe there ought to be two choniefests, each a week apart. Victor > Mike writes: > > << Yes, indeed there will be a CMDL. >> > > Hey, Mike, I'll bet ChoniFest will be a sellout! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:56:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC debra, yes, your interpretation of my mail is very close to what many people feel about the whole *america/n* issue. in any case, countries, flags, national anthems, i have never been inclined to take those things very seriously, so i'm trying to make a point here mostly for the sake of accuracy. in addition, i believe that when the name *united states of america* was created, the people involved must have thought that all of america --the continent -- was included in the territory of the new country. for example, when italy was unified in the 19th century, if the new country had called itself the united states of europe, other european countries would have immediately objected for obvious reasons. so my guess is that the founding fathers or whoever created the name of your country couldn't have had any knowledge of or ways to communicate with the rest of the continent, and that is how the assumption that america was *america* must have begun. otherwise, why would a country call itself THE united states of america? anyway, my original mail meant to correct some misinformation on americo vespucio and to express my surprise at what i had read in the NYT. i don't feel any antipathy towards US people per se; although at the moment i might be an indirect victim of the US foreign policy, i am looking forward to visiting the states and my friends there again, whenever that may happen. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:58:32 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: more america NJC jim lama said americans don't say "america" but i would beg to differ. i think it is really rare that americans say "USA" - i think they almost ALWAYS say "america" when referring to their country. hard to provide evidence for this, really, right? to be empirical about it we would need a content analysis. i suggest thinking about speeches made by bush and other leading figures in the US... the word "america" rings to me as what they say - but i have been avoiding hearing anything bush says lately, so what do i know?! (although i DO read... and man, i was so infuriated when i read the NYtimes article this morning about the new national security strategy... by the strategy itself, yes. but also because bush said he wanted it to be in plain english because "the boys back in Lubbock ought to be able to read it." boys? BOYS? what about men. and women for that matter. oh yeah, that's right. women. 51% of the population. who cares about those women? not bush, obviously.) - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:02:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: heather!!!!!!! (NJC) H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y heather dearest! i love you, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:50:17 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: more america NJC Yael wrote: > jim lama said americans don't say "america" but i would beg to differ. > i think it is really rare that americans say "USA" - i think they almost > ALWAYS say "america" when referring to their country. > hard to provide evidence for this, really, right? I thought about this after reading it and lama is pretty right on, I think. Most of my experiences have been with me and those I have been talking to or discussing anything with, using "The United States" or "The US." Very rarely is America used in that way, in my experiences in this region of the United States. because bush said he wanted it to be in > plain english because "the boys back in Lubbock ought to be able to read > it." boys? BOYS? No fan of George Bush, not when he was governor and not now. Read as if he was trying to be funny and witty, for he acts as if he thinks he is the latter. In these parts, the general population of men are often referred to as "good ole boys." "George is a good ole boy." Usually they were the ones who wore cowboy boots a lot. In high school, they drove pickups and had cb radios in them. Usually wore wranglers and had he man type occupations when they "grew up." Liked the beer and the partying, and country and western music. Usually went to church on Sunday after having a wild time on the Saturday night before. Usually conservative in politics with little room for racial diversity (and none, not an ounce for people with different sexual identities) except when the football team took the field. These "boys" are the ones, that even after growing older, don't sit in the stands but literally stand up the entire game hanging onto the fence, yelling encouragement to the boys on the field. "Good ole boys" like to fly the flag. Good ole boys, good or bad, are a main part of the fabric of Texas culture. Matter of fact, some of them did grow up to be quite good men. Some didn't. Same as everyone else. George Bush was definitely one of the "good ole boys" while in Texas. I gave him a D in Texas. In Washington, the jury is still out. Maybe he will surprise us all. As for me, I have to hope that he does and keep believing that he can bring us through all of this in one piece. Hoping. Thinking it is time for a female in Washington. Maybe Dianne Feinstein. We'll see, won't we? mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:47:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2002 CD Tree sign-up's are OPEN for bidness!! OK, most of you have heard the tracks that Les put up...now it's time for the whole deal! I'm going to set up a CD-Tree, because I feel like these are going to be much sought-after, and I want to get them in everyone's hands as quick as possible. All you have to do is go the JMDL home page (that would be your basic www.jmdl.com) and clink on the link for the sign-up. I'll start putting the tree together and we'll go from there. If you have any questions, let me know, but most of them will be answered on the signup page that Les has provided. (He makes all this SO easy!) So...what are you waiting for!! Ready, set go! :~) Bob NP: Counting Crows, "American Girls" (maybe they should have called it "USA Girls?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:56 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Ry Cooder Hey Laurent, IF that is what I get, that is what I get, and I will sure be happy with just an appearance. I guess a good example of him blending in would be when he did Slide for "Full Force Gale" with Van Morrison on the "Into the Music Album" Thanks again. BLair >Hi Blair, > >Don't get too excited. Although Ry is THE MASTER in my book, he's also >such >a discreet man that whenever he plays on other artists' albums you can >barely hear him because he totally blends in with the artist's music style. >He'll just bring some nice touches, but no radical transformation to >Joni's. > >Laurent _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:47:35 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: re: revisiting dog eat dog Responding to Owen's suggestion about revisiting DED to 'fix' the production and lend it some more timeless quality or whatever - sorry that sounds disparaging. I am generally of the opinion that joni's live and acoustic takes on her songs are the ones of which I am most fond and feel work better. But I'm saying that not having heard all the (unofficially) available recordings of her live (ie non-produced) work. Citing the San Remo performance of Lakota as an example. This is a song i really like from CMIARS which is transformed and wonderful when sung with just acoustic guitar (and klien's rather polka dot bass playing). Ashara gave each of us Jonifest 2002 attendees a splendid compilation video of joni clips one of which was joni playing Farm Aid back whenever. Joni played Three Great Stimulants and (a personal favourite) Dog Eat Dog. Well, TGS was 'nothing' and DED was hammered out on the 'pianner' in a stylee that brought to mind Nina Simone at her truculent worst. The song ended with Joni barking out 'Dogeatdog!', 'Dogeatdog!' All the beauty and light she brought to the recorded version, of what is a song of bitter subject, was entirely lost. It stank and the seemed hardly worth the effort. Both songs seemed slight and pissed off. Mind you, the audience was noisy and knowing our Joan's prediliction for attentive and well mannered audiences, no doubt this informed her performance. When listened to on the produced record with all the accoutrements of over-production I think they are very good indeed. I like them a lot. All, of course, in my very humble opinion. les (london and still rotten with post fest blues - get over yourself boy!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:26:32 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC and that >is how the assumption that america was *america* must have begun. >otherwise, hey wally, it's so great that you're back and posting. i think you did accidentally make a misstatement about americo (i've always seen it spelled amerigo) vespucci. his own voyages may have only been to south america, but the name "america" does come from his name, because he was the navigator on columbus' first voyage, which landed in the caribbean and provided the first widespread knowledge in europe of the american continents. (the vikings kept it a secret) patrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:33:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: revisiting dog eat dog **It stank and the seemed hardly worth the effort. Both songs seemed slight and pissed off. Mind you, the audience was noisy and knowing our Joan's prediliction for attentive and well mannered audiences, no doubt this informed her performance. ** You're right, Les...not a good performance. I would submit the 1985 "Rock Master Class" performances as much more enjoyable. Joni is surrounded by adoring fans in an intimate setting, and provides some great commentary along with unplugged takes on Three Great Stims, Impossible Dreamer, & Dog Eat Dog, along with that fascinating piano improv. Almost essential. > > **les (london and still rotten with post fest blues - get over yourself > boy!)** > Why? Nobody else has! :~) Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Dust" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:36:43 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Continents - NJC (long.....winded!) Kate wrote: > hell thanks for all that info, that is so interesting! i'd never heard of > the word pangea before...i had a friend who was a geology major & it was > always so interesting being with her as she'd point out hills & rocks & why > they were that way as we'd be driving along, giving me a whole new > perspective on my surroundings... I'm glad someone liked it! It is interesting though. I still find myself checking out rock formations and strata. Road-cuttings are the best thing that ever happened for geologists (not that I'm one)! Even driving to Jonifest from Albany, I was looking at the road cuttings and the layers of rock. Not that my travelling companions were any less interesting, of course! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:46:31 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Bitch & Animal NJC I saw bitch and Animal perform here Newark a year and a half ago. IT was a pretty good show. For me, it was borderline obnoxious and really good musical virtuosity with great comments made and fun had by all. I recall that one of them read a poem they had written the night before and it was indeed very detailed in its feminist imagery and the drunk late 30 year old to middle aged men yelling insults towards the stage.. Other than that it was a pretty good show. They have a good following here in NEwark as many of the fans are also ANi Fans. blair > >**Bitch and Animal. anyone ever heard of >them?! they're a wild feminist duo ** > >They opened up for Ani when I saw her in Asheville last year. Unique, to >say >the least! I was waiting for them to perform the song from Flower Drum Song >"I Enjoy Being A Girl"! :!) > >Bob > >NP: Ferron, "Where Is Maria" from the new Greg Brown tribute "Going >Driftless" - nice! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:47:53 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: This one really cracks me up! Bob writes: > Here's a guy in the UK (former/current JMDL'er?) selling a CD that I made > for him! I guess it was bound to happen... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907661596 > Hey Bob, You may have found this amusing but it means I'm going to have to change my nationality rather than be associated with such a low down crumb! The question is what nationality should I chose? I'm thinking about Portuguese because those people are always so nice to me when I go there on holiday and I feel at home there. Any Portuguese members on the list or would I be the only one and, therefore, very lonely? Hmm. I 'd have to move my flag on the JMDL map which may not be too easy though. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Farm Aid Fiasco I remember that Farm Aid concert fairly well. A bunch of my friends went, but I was dying to go just to see Joni, but was unable to attend due to another commitment. I was able to tape it, and between watching the whole tape, and talking to my friends who attended, I can't really blame Joni for being a bit pissy. The whole concert was extremely long, and if I recall correctly, it was a pretty hot day. For whatever reason, they booked Joni as the second to the last act, right before the main headliner (I want to say it was U2, but can't recall for sure). By the time Joni hit the stage, the crowd was extremely restless, and really just looking forward to seeing the headliner - most of them probably never even heard of Joni. My friends said that the crowd was very rude to her, and at one point someone in the audience even through a beer at her - I think you can even see it in the tape if you watch for it. Hardly the environment for a memorable performance. Of course, Joni was Joni. She probably could have played down to the crowd by playing BYT, and as a result received a warmer reception, but she always follows her own muse, often at the cost of her own popularity. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:59:34 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Agnes Scott & joni club sorry for posting this to the whole list but someone on the world map said they attended Agnes Scott College and wanted to start a joni club...Gwendolyn V I think... please contact me... Victor NP: Allman Brothers "In Memory of Elizbeth Reed" - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: still america NJC --- Yael Harlap wrote: > Mary wrote: > > growing up in expat communities, i always called the > country "the States" > and not "America". i was surprised when i moved to > the US to go to college > that everyone called their country "America" (which > sounded strange to me - > isn't it ALL america, including my country, > canada?), and that no one knew > what i was talking about when i talked about "the > States". > > expat kids run around talking about when their > families are going to "the > States" for vacation. Canadians often refer to it as "The States." I think it's a European think to call it "America." But most English-speaking people that I know of call its citizens "Americans" (and not United Statesians.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC Isthmus Yeth, it ith an ithmuth, not a peninthula. --- Heather wrote: > isthmus be my lucky day. how's that? > > Heather > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of vince > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:51 AM > To: Catherine McKay; joni > Subject: NJC Isthmus > > > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > At least N and S Amer have > > this little peninsula thing dividing them. > > Wouldn't that be an isthmus connecting them - > isthmus being s lovely word > no one ever uses in daily conversation? > > era, away from Florida ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: more america NJC --- Yael Harlap wrote: > > (although i DO read... and man, i was so infuriated > when i read the NYtimes > article this morning about the new national security > strategy... by the > strategy itself, yes. but also because bush said he > wanted it to be in > plain english because "the boys back in Lubbock > ought to be able to read > it." boys? BOYS? what about men. and women for that > matter. oh yeah, that's > right. women. 51% of the population. who cares about > those women? not bush, > obviously.) The girls and women and men already know how to read. In Lubbock, they're all good ol' boys. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:19:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC --- patrick leader wrote: > and > i think you did accidentally make a misstatement > about americo (i've always > seen it spelled amerigo) vespucci. his own voyages > may have only been to > south america, but the name "america" does come from > his name, because he > was the navigator on columbus' first voyage, which > landed in the caribbean > and provided the first widespread knowledge in > europe of the american > continents. (the vikings kept it a secret) Way to go, Mr. Leader! Supposedly St. Brendan crossed the Atlantic before the Vikings. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:27:14 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: more america NJC Catherine wrote: > In Lubbock, they're all good ol' boys. Not quite but close. Actually, there are plenty of "good ole girls" as well. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:31:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC patrick! so great to hear from you! as to amerigo (the italian spelling of his name, you're right!) and the origin of the name of the american continent, i wrote: 44he proved that this mass of land (the american continent) was not a part of an asian peninsula (vespucio had been commissioned to find alternative routes to asia by the italians and later by the portuguese) but a new continent. thus the name 44america44 in his honor.44 what i objected to in my post was the notion that the name of the USA originated after the fact that amerigo vespucio had disembarked in florida -- which he never did, in any case. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: patrick leader [mailto:pleader@nyc.rr.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 20 de Septiembre de 2002 07:27 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; dsk CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: America [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC i think you did accidentally make a misstatement about americo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Continents - NJC (long.....winded!) Kate wrote: > > > hell thanks for all that info, that is so > interesting! i'd never heard of > > the word pangea before... I love the name Pangea. (Do you pronounce it Pan JEE uh?) Once Helen mentioned it, I remembered reading about it before. I've also read about continental drift - if they drift far enough, they'll end up back together again. I also enjoyed John's mention of Turtle Island. Here's a little blurb on it that I found at: http://www.aboriginalexperiences.com/ The name Turtle Island is taken from an ancient Native legend. Our Elders tell of a time long ago when the Creator covered the earth with water to start a new life for all people. A small amount of the original land was saved and placed on the back of a turtle. When the turtle rose from the water, this was the beginning of what we now call North America. Isn't this interesting? Doesn't it sound like the great flood, but instead of Noah and an ark, there's this turtle holding some of the land on its back. Here's another cool-looking site that I came across when I looked for turtle island. http://www.turtleisland.org/ Then I looked up anishinabe, which is a name some of the natives use for themselves - I think it covers Cree and Ojibway. There's a site where you can click on different native languages and phrases and hear the way they sound in anishinabe, Mohawk, Inuit and so on - - kind of cool. http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ks/english/5010_e.html ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: more america NJC --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > > In Lubbock, they're all good ol' boys. > > Not quite but close. Actually, there are plenty of > "good ole girls" as > well. This is true. And there's probaly a few good Lubbockians (good as in good, not good old.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:34:29 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: america, america Yael wrote: > >Is the supposed arrogance in the founding fathers deciding that > >"America" would be part of the country's name? Well, why not? Other > >countries could have done the same, yes? I think it's because that was what it was commonly called way back in the old days. > i just spent a few minutes searching, and i can't find the source and the > story, but i know that the naming of the "United States of America" was a > compromise between the states. I remember there were some other names up > for consideration... Columbia was one of them. > I think they stuck with the dull (comparatively) > "United States of America" because the states were wary of getting sucked > into a Union and losing their individual power... That's a good point I had not considered. When anyone asks me where I come from I say "California" to people from other countries and "L.A." to people from the U.S. (Gawd, how arrogant is that - treating California as if it is its own country?! ;-) And since half of California is not on the North American continent but is part of the Pacific Plate, we may not technically be be included. Maybe that is part of Oceania and we could call ourselves "Ceani's" for short. Like John's idea of Turtle Island very much. We could call ourselves "Turts." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: maps [was tits/america/vespucio] NJC --- dsk wrote: > > You're right about the battles being waged! Recently > I read about the > current battle over maps, and how certain countries > are always at the > top and others at the bottom (and the inferences > sometimes made from > those positions). According to the people trying to > get Rand McNally and > other big mapmakers to reconsider the way they show > the world, British > (I think) mapmakers long ago decided on the > orientation we're all used > to seeing and now we take those views of the world > as "the way it is". Yeah, but if they turned it the other way, the writing would be upside down! ;) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:07:19 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: america, america > When anyone asks me where I come from I say "California" to people from > other countries and "L.A." to people from the U.S. i would think you could say LA to anyone form anywhere and they would know where you mean..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:07:04 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: america, america Kakki wrote: - - treating California as if it is its own country?! ;- But Kakki, isn't it? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: This one really cracks me up! NJC **You may have found this amusing but it means I'm going to have to change my nationality rather than be associated with such a low down crumb!** Don't change a hair for me...besides, this isn't the first time I've seen a JMDL'er sell something they got in trade. The Shawn Colvin '75 NPR cd that Maxigirl freely shared with us went for over $100 on Ebay! Bob NP: The Strokes, "Someday" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:57:38 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Over the Shoulder Boulder Holder njc (warning: not exactly pc) This is how the bra came to be, according to Bette Midler: Otto Titsling, inventor and Kraut Had nothing to get very worked up about His inventions were failures, his prospects were bleak He fled to the opera at least twice a week One night at the opera he saw an Aida Whose bust was so big, it would often impede her Bug-eyed he watched her fall into the pit Done in by the weight of those terrible tits! (Oh my God! Thar she blows! Aerodynamically this girl was a mess! But as Otto eyed the diva lying comatose amongst the reeds, the light of inspiration suddenly flooded through his brain and he ran home to his work shop where he futzed and futzed and futzed and futzed!) For Otto Titsling had found his quest To lift and mold the female breast To point the small ones to the sky To keep the big ones high and dry All night long he'd sweat and snort Searching for the right support He tried some string and paper clips He even tried his own two lips! (After many days and nights of sweating and slaving, one night Otto finally emerged from his laboratory triumphant! Yes, ladies and gentlemen, he had invented the world's first over-the-shoulder-bolder-holder! He ran straight to the diva's house bearing the prototype in his hot little hands. Now at first the diva did not want to try the darn thing on. But she finally did. And the sigh of relief that escaped her lips was mistaken by many for the onset of the Siroccan winds that often blew through the Schwarzwald with a vengeance!! But little did Otto realize that at that very moment, lurking under the divas bed was the very worst of the French patent thieves: Phillup de Brassiere. And Phil was watching the scene with a great deal of interest!) Later that night while Brunhilda slept Into the wardrobe Phillipe softly crept He fumbled through knickers and corsets galore Til he found Otto's titsling and he ran out the door Crying 'Oh my God, what joy! What bliss! I'm gonna make me a million from this! Every woman in the world will wanna buy one I can have all the goods manufactured in Taiwan!' The result of this swindle is pointedly clear Do you buy a titsling? Or do you buy a brassiere??!! From the Divine Miss M brought to you through the courtesy of the Divine Mr. M. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:14:05 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: jonimitchellfans list warning Someone has been posting to the JoniMitchellfans list with the subject line: I just found a new website here. Warning: Do not click on the URL! Infinite windows will open up and if you're not able to stop it in time (as I wasn't) your computer will crash. I also got a window saying my internet preferences were damaged but I haven't noticed anything different. I did go through my cookies and deleted anything I didn't recognize. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:36:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: heather!!!!!!! (NJC) Hope you're having a FANTASTIC BIRTHDAY, Heather! ps: I *love* the Judy cd you sent me! Thanks again! > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > heather dearest! > > i love you, > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:14:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Produced by Joni Mitchell" In many interviews, she's said that she "doesn't know what the word means". Sometimes she says that she generally doesn't work with "outside" producers 'cause she doesn't "want someone ELSE'S brush strokes" on her canvas. That said, I wouldn't be the first person to notice that she gave some people a great amount of creative freedom to move around within her canvas. Jaco for example at the very begining of "Sweet Sucker Dance". Just before her vocal starts, he put this figure in that practically steps on her. Most people wouldn't have left that in there but it really builds tension in a jazz way. There's no way (in my opinion anyway) that a rock bassist like John Entwistle would have stepped into that particular space. It says oceans about Joni's thirst to collaborate in those days, and about the fact that she had some really, really wonderful players with her. Maybe there's chapter to be written called "Joni's sidemen". Hmmmmm. Stills, jt, Shorter, Erskine, Blade, Hancock, Jaco, Larry, shit! That's just for starters! Lama asked, >>>>>> I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but I can't remember it: why do Joni's albums not bear the credit "Produced by Joni Mitchell"? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:22:08 -0500 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: new to list Hi Bree, As a matter of fact my friend sent me the video. I love the air force museum. My father was in the air force, and we went a lot. I live west of Dayton. Maybe one day we'll meet. How long have you been a fan of JM? Do you like Skyline? I love the stuff. There aren't too many up this way. I love Cincinnati, such a clean city. I hate hearing about all the recent problems they've been having. I hope to hear from you again. Kasey - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bree Mcdonough Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:02 PM To: kaseyone@msn.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: new to list Hi Kasey!! Welcome!! I'm glad you are here!! I live fairly close to you...I live about twenty miles north of Cincinnati. You are probably about an hour or less from me. Do you live north or south of Dayton. Come to think of it. east or west of Dayton. I was just at Wright-Patterson, took my nephews to the airforce museum....about two weeks ago. Let us know which Joni tunes you start with? Also ..may I suggest PWWM....(Painting with Words and Music) Maybe your friend has it? Also the TNT all- star tribute to Joni. This was various artists doing all Joni tunes....it was fabulous!! Take care.. Bree >Joni fan >and I'm not really familiar with her music. I thought I would see what >it's >all about. >Is there anyone here from Ohio? I live just outside of Dayton. I'm >looking >forward >to reading the posts. > KaceyGet more from the Web. FREE >MSN >Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:27:45 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Note to Anne: njc Hey Anne, July is just ten months away..... Who loves ya, baby! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:50:18 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Continents - NJC hell wrote: > > Kate wrote: > > > hell thanks for all that info, that is so interesting! > > I'm glad someone liked it! It is interesting though. I think so too! Thanks, Hell, for going back to the memory banks and books and writing all that out. And the site you mentioned is great -- I love the picture of that marbled bowling ball. It is so pure looking... Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #384 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)