From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #379 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 379 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: September 18 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: September 18 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: Iraq NJC [colin ] Re: bashing njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Iraq NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: monica njc & that's for sure [Catherine McKay ] NJC Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: new joan osbourne cd NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: German internment in the US(NJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: Today's Library Links: September 18 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: new joan osbourne cd NJC [] Re: monica njc ["Lori in MD" ] Re: bashing njc ["Lori in MD" ] Re: monica njc [colin ] RE: This one really cracks me up!(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC [colin ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC [colin ] Re: NJC Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] RE: bits and pieces ["Heather" ] Re: peace day njc ["Lori in MD" ] Re: bashing njc [Mags N Brei ] RE: North Americans (was bashing) NJC ["Heather" ] RE: North Americans (was bashing) NJC ["Heather" ] RE: Letterman and Clinton NJC ["Heather" ] RE: German internment in the US(NJC) ["Heather" ] RE: monica njc ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: monica njc ["kasey simpson" ] Re: jonimitchell.com update! ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: monica njc [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: new joan osbourne cd NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: internment in the US(NJC) [Scott Price ] Re: jonimitchell.com update! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Travelogue Question [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Travelogue Question [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Travelogue Question [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Travelogue Question......guitar? ["Tom Rodwell" ] Anne (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Travelogue Question ["Amelio Alamo" ] Today's Library Links: September 18 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today in History: September 18 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Is there a world flag?(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] JoniFest CD preview [Les Irvin ] Re: JoniFest CD preview ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: JoniFest CD preview ["gene mock" ] Re: Canadian poll (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Iraq NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Iraq NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: Oops! NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Iraq NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: All-American martini (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: bashing njc [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:03:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 18 1996: The much talked about Grace Of My Heart soundtrack, featuring '60s-era songwriters teaming with the cream of the crop of '90s musicians, was recalled by MCA Records allegedly because permission to use the Joni Mitchell-sung track, "Man From Mars," was not obtained in time for the release. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960918rt.cfm - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:03:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 18 On September 18 the following item was published: 1996: "Grace Of My Heart Soundtrack Recalled" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960918as.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:35:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Iraq NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > I am > wondering why Iraq is considered such a threat > > to the USA and to > > the rest of us. > > > ... > > > So could someone explain why it is believed that > > Saddam Hussien is going > > to commit suicide on behalf of the whole of Iraq? > > > > The above are not rhetroical questions. I would like > > to know becasue I > > am confused. > > If you believe that Saddam Hussein is a madman, then > committing suicide on behalf of Iraq isn't > far-fetched. It's kame kaze on a bigger scale. I find that diffiuclt to believe, yes. > Also, > if you believe that you're on the "right" side, then > you have god on your side and you *will* win in the > end, so what's to worry? isn't that what our side believes too? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:10:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bashing njc --- kakki wrote: > > How do we know what those 80% individually thought? > The poll question is > too broadly posed to know what "actions" > specifically they think we have > done to lead to the attack. Whatever. > Exactly - that's the problem with polls. They ask questions in a particular way and they just want a yes/no or "Fully agree", "Somewhat agree", "Somewhat disagree", "Fully disagree" kind of way - or there's those polls that ask, on a scale of 1-10, how much do you think this statement is true. They don't ask people to explain or expound on their response - they just want quick, simple answers; and from that, if it's one of those 4-choices types, they can then split them in two. So if you have 10% of people who fully agree with a statement and 70% who somewhat agree, then suddenly you have 80% who agree, and so on. If you ask the question, "Do you think the actions of X led to Y?" you're most likely to get a majority agreeing with that to some degree. If you ask, "Did they deserve it?" you're only going to get a fringe element of people agreeing with it. Also, depending on who is doing the poll and who's paying them to do it, the questions (and the results) are skewed to get the results the people who are paying for it want to hear. It's gotten to the point where, if people call me at home to ask me to participate in a poll and I smell that kind of thing going on, I decline to do the poll, or sometimes, I'm almost ashamed to admit (but not quite - on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being not ashamed at all, and 10 being ashamed to the point of wearing a hair shirt, I'd have to answer with a 4, or a 4.5), I deliberately give answers that are totally neutral, or where the answer to one question totally contradicts the answer to another. Or I ask them if I can choose a number in between (like 4.5 instead of 4 or 5). ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Iraq NJC I wrote: > > If you believe that Saddam Hussein is a madman, > then > > committing suicide on behalf of Iraq isn't > > far-fetched. It's kame kaze on a bigger scale. > - --- colin replied: > I find that diffiuclt to believe, yes. Now me: Operative word **If** (many do - as for me, I have no idea whether he is or he isn't) > > Also, > > if you believe that you're on the "right" side, > then > > you have god on your side and you *will* win in > the > > end, so what's to worry? > Colin: isn't that what our side believes too? Me: Darn right. Sad, isn't it? (Dylan - "If God is on our side, who'll stop the next war?") ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: monica njc & that's for sure --- Bree Mcdonough > LOL It is time to remove my bustenhalter and get > ready for bed. I wonder > what the German word for panties is? Sheissenhalter? (I'm KIDDING - I know I'm going to offend Germans everywhere so I'm hoping they're not paying attention.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:57:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC <> I know how you feel, Smurf...last Sunday I farted in church and they made me sit in my own pew! :~D Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Jesus Children Of America" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Everybody Is A Star has to be a long-time fave of mine, I remember being a kid and being knocked over by the line: "I love you for who you are...not for what you feel you need to be" One of the best lines written in the realm of pop. Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "All In Love Is Fair" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:19:02 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: German internment in the US(NJC) Being of German extraction, I was intrigued by your post, so I did a little digging. I did some searches in traditional journals. What I found was that about 31,000 "enemy aliens" were interned during World War II. Of those, about 10,000 were Germans. The big contrast with the treatment of the Japanese was that the Germans interred were aliens, not US citizens. About a third of the Japanese interned were in fact US citizens; they were targeted because of their ethnicity. It seems clear that the Germans were not detained on the basis of their ethnicity - if the government decided to target people purely because of their German ancestry, they would have needed pretty big camps! The other issue is that there was, in fact, a pro-Nazi movement among German aliens in the US. The German American Bund was a scary organization, and it made sense to target them in wartime. Not to say that there weren't abuses. I would be surprised if some innocent and apolitical German aliens were not caught up in the net. But again, there was a genuine threat. At 09:15 PM 9/17/02 -0400, you wrote: >There was a question about why German Americans were not subjected to the same >interment as Japanese Americans during WWII. >The San Jose Mercury News article looked like a good overview. >Darice - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:39:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: September 18 ljirvin@adelphia.net wrote: > On September 18 the following item was published: > > 1996: "Grace Of My Heart Soundtrack Recalled" - AllStar Website > (News Item) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960918as.cfm And let me take this opportunity to highly recommend this wonderful movie to any listers who have not seen it. The DVD especially has some great extras, especially on the music and Music Director Larry Klein. There has been talk of his influence lately. In my mind, if all he ever did was coax the gorgeous Man From Mars out of Joni for this film, it would have been worth the marriage. Jerry np: Karrin Allyson - Blue Motel Room (wait 'til you hear this one, folks!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:46:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: This one really cracks me up! Here's a guy in the UK (former/current JMDL'er?) selling a CD that I made for him! I guess it was bound to happen... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907661596 Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Do I Do" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:48:34 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Today in History: September 18 > 1996: The much talked about Grace Of My Heart soundtrack, featuring > '60s-era songwriters teaming with the cream of the crop of '90s > musicians, was recalled by MCA Records allegedly because permission to > use the Joni Mitchell-sung track, "Man From Mars," was not obtained in > time for the release. More info: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960918rt.cfm > I like Kristen Vigard's version, too. But Joni's version is really beautiful in a melancholy kind of way . . . that was when I discovered that the song was for a cat of hers. joseph in manila (does not hate cats but I wish they quit the habit of going around my legs and feet) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:56:14 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: new joan osbourne cd NJC > <Why Can't We Live Together Is this the song Sade sang in her DIAMOND LIFE album? I understand this is not a Sade-penned song. If so, I also like this song, though if I can just advise Joan what Sade song to sing, I would really recommend "Frankie's First Affair" or "War of the Hearts". Brilliant songs. Joseph in Manila (just watched Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN.... wasn't Julio the same actor in AMORES PERROS? and wasn't Luisa the same actress in BELLE EPOQUE who played Rocio opposite Penelope Cruz?). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:01:59 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: monica njc > abused? taken advantage of? that girl who pulled up > her jacket to show the prez her chonies? > > kate, flat out lying in the gutter now... LOL, Kate!!! Too funny!!! Lori, left with the image of Kate on the cover of "Hits" ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:08:16 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: bashing njc Two things from Kakki: > But then we have that gorgeous American the Beautiful > song that I don't want to give up ;-) Not to be nit-picky, but did you write "American" on purpose? Or was that a Freudian yet patriotic slip? : ) > I am, however, taking a few steps that might help my > restraint. Would these steps involve any of those lovely martini glasses of yours??? : D Hugs to you Kakki! Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:18:57 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: monica njc Lori in MD wrote: > > abused? taken advantage of? that girl who pulled up > > her jacket to show the prez her chonies? > > > > kate, flat out lying in the gutter now... > > LOL, Kate!!! Too funny!!! > > Lori, > left with the image of Kate on the cover of "Hits" with her 'hits' covered? > > > ~ - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 9:9:4 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: This one really cracks me up!(njc) You know you've made it when you've hit Ebay. I saw my cd on ebay several months/a year ago. They were using the Nick Drake reference as a selling point. Victor Here's a guy in the UK (former/current JMDL'er?) selling a CD that I made > for him! I guess it was bound to happen... > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:20:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > < > > I know how you feel, Smurf...last Sunday I farted in church and they made > me sit in my own pew! :~D > Many years ago, my oyunger brother, about 10 at the time, farted just as the priest was about to lay the host on his tongue. Well, being in church you just know oyu are not supposed to laugh. which made it all the harder not to. we failed and laughed and laughed and had to leave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:22:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC Bree and Susan-what can I say? I am so shocked at you both. really, have you no shame? Aright, so maybe you can't help your kinky tastes but to flaunt it here on the list.. Just what would Joni say? 'where's my whip?' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:24:43 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >Bree, are you serious? Tied up, nuns, gags, now trannies....the hole gets > >deeper > > I guess this does look SMish...still digging out.... What is trannies? transexual or transvestit > > (fearing to ask) > > Bree > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:16:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC <> Oh, getting tickled in church is the worst...a couple of years back Nathan & I were sitting behind a lady who was wearing a wig that had a couple of spiders in it! We tried to focus on the sermon, but all we could see were these spiders building webs in this lady's hair! Truly a David Lynch moment. We kept getting tickled and covering our mouths, with tears running down. We didn't have to leave though...the only time I'll do that is when I hear the choir start into Handel's Messiah! ;~) Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Heaven Is 10 Zillion Light Years Away" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:31:11 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: bits and pieces - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Engwall57@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:53 AM To: amelio747@hotmail.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: bits and pieces Regarding "Dubya" (George Bush the Younger), <> As an art historian, I find this very funny! Thanks. <> To me, Iraq is a grudge match for Desert Storm, and a way to divert attention from other matters, such as corporate corruption. Good point Ruth. Best- Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:29:38 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: peace day njc Kate wrote: > i am trying to find that link about the protests > against the war in washington & san francisco... > can't find the link i thought i saved...does > anyone have it? Yep. http://www.internationalanswer.org Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: bashing njc - --- kakki wrote: > > There was just a news report of a > poll > in Canada which said 80% thought the U.S's actions led to the attack. > Some > Canadians have come out on the news shows and said this poll does not > reflect the opinion of most Canadians, but this bashing is out there. > > preamble: this is not meant as an attack on you Kakki, or on anyone else. Here's my thought about the above quote. For me, in my very most humble canuckian opinion, I understand that the media is willing to massage "facts" via taking a poll in order to support/prove an argument/point. A poll was taken in Canada. By whom? who was polled? How many? How is one poll representative of "all Canadians" or all blue, purple, or green people for that matter. just because a poll says something doesnt make it so. Mags. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:38:38 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: North Americans (was bashing) NJC I thought it was Ooooooooooh Canada. As Joni says in a Case of You. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:56 PM To: dsk11@bellatlantic.net; lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re:North Americans (was bashing) NJC In a message dated 9/17/2002 2:20:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > What's the full name of Canada? > Good question Debra, and I hope that our Canadian brothers and sisters will answer that. My curiosity still got me to do some google searching on Canadian history. A lot of info at Canadahistory.com, but I just had to look at the category of "origins of sayings". I particularly liked this one, even though I don't think of it as a Canadian saying. "It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the honey month or what was know today as the "honeymoon" " Jimmy, thinking of Mags on her honeymonth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:40:53 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: North Americans (was bashing) NJC Funny bit of trivia! I have relatives in a suburb called Kanata outside of Ottawa. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:23 PM To: dsk11@bellatlantic.net; lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: North Americans (was bashing) NJC I previously replied to Debra's rhetorical question: > > What's the full name of Canada? > > > Good question Debra, and I hope that our Canadian brothers and sisters will > answer that. > > What I really wanted to konw was where the name "Canada" came from, but with a little search I learned it's from the word "Kanata", an Iroquois word meaning town or cluster of dwellings. Sorry for the trivia during these political discussions :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:51:17 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Letterman and Clinton NJC It was probably because you used the offering plate as an ash tray ;-D Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:24 AM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; anima_rising@yahoo.ca Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC You're so wonderful, Bob. I feel exactly the same way. I even went to church on Sunday, but they threw me out for chain smoking. Damn uppity Lutherans. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:00:27 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: German internment in the US(NJC) This brings something to mind that my maternal grandmother told me. That entire side of the family migrated to the Ottawa area from Germany. She told me that when she was a little girl during WWI they would get spit on as they walked down the street. She never forgot it. I guess they also had private elementary schools because they were taught in German. She said that quickly changed. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:02 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: German internment in the US(NJC) thanks darice....very interesting information as this this sparked a memory for me...i remember meeting a woman out here on the west coast who grew up in the same town as my grandparents on the east coast (my grandfather was german & his grandfather i think was the one who emigrated) who told me that my grandparents were quite ostricized at that time, as was anyone else who was german in that area...my grandmother, a southern belle (of english background who also never mentioned the fact that she was also irish...grr!) never mentioned this because i imagine it was quite painful... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:11:13 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: monica njc kate said>>abused? taken advantage of? that girl who pulled up her jacket to show the prez her chonies?<< mike says. Chonies? As in Chony Mitchell? >>kate, flat out lying in the gutter now...<< mike, asking kate to move over and make room for me too - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:38:08 -0500 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: monica njc I'm new to the list, but I'm sorry I missed this discussion. kasey - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pritchard Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:15 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: kate@katebennett.com Subject: RE: monica njc kate said>>abused? taken advantage of? that girl who pulled up her jacket to show the prez her chonies?<< mike says. Chonies? As in Chony Mitchell? >>kate, flat out lying in the gutter now...<< mike, asking kate to move over and make room for me too - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click HereGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:42:24 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com update! Yeah, I think maybe Joni changed her mind at the last minute. I do like this one better. Perhaps Joni was listening to Hejira! Steve T. >From: RoseMJoy@aol.com >Reply-To: RoseMJoy@aol.com >To: amelio747@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com update! >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:46:39 EDT > >In a message dated 9/17/02 1:40:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >amelio747@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Here's the complete song lineup for Joni's new CD. Titled A Travelogue, it's > > > > due in stores on November 19. Here's what you can expect to hear: > > >It's funny, The Reprise site titles the album "Circle Game", but Feldman's >site as well as Jonimitchell.com has it titled Travelogue. Go figure. >http://www.repriserecords.com/releases.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:21:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: monica njc <> Hi Kasey, and welcome! If you want to go back and watch Kate's descent into the gutter (:~D, you can go to the archives and pull up the old digests at anytime. Les makes finding stuff very easy for us all.. http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ Bob NP (Now Playing): Stevie Wonder, "I'm New" (coincidence, I swear it!) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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In a message dated 9/18/02 12:42:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amelio747@hotmail.com writes: > Yeah, I think maybe Joni changed her mind at the last minute. I do like this > one better. > > Perhaps Joni was listening to Hejira! > > > or perhaps it was just a false alarm LOL!!! ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:15:18 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Travelogue Question Does anyone know why Borderline is listed twice? This must be an error--or perhaps she is including a cover of Madonna's Borderline just for laughs. As I look over the song list, it seems that Joni has included quite a few tunes that speak to the current world situation--Borderline, Otis and Marlena, Slouching Toward Bethlehem in particular. If you could pull one song and insert another, what would you swap? My choice would be to substitute Circle Game for Down To You. Ken np/aimee mann-it's not ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:45:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Travelogue Question <> Your choice is a good one, Ken. I would pull either For The Roses (she played this arrangement on the '00 tour and it's clunky as hell) or Sex Kills (this song should be "spat out" as Joni says about 'Cold Blue Steel...' - not orchestrated). The song I'd love to hear her sub (not that it would happen) would be "Eastern Rain". I was listening to it last night and thought that it could be dressed up with some nice orchestral touches, with some exotic instruments to complement the feel of the melody. Like I say, it ain't gonna happen, but it WOULD be pretty cool. 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I just cannot aurally envision Coyote, for example, without guitar. If she doesn't, here's hoping the next one is like a chamber jazz-rock one, with multitracked guitar splashed all over the place. It's nice having these different imaginings about yet-to-materialise recordings. Tom np: Donald Fagen: Kamakiriad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:05 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Anne (NJC) I was just talking to Mags, going absolutely CRAZY, and she said, "why don't you call the hospital?" DUH!!!!!! So I did. Anne went into recovery at 4:45 PM, She is doing fine. She is listed as in satisfactory and stable condition. I will keep you updated as I can. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:29:43 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Travelogue Question >If you could pull one song and insert another, what would you swap? ... Well she's picked some really good ones not that there are really any bad ones anyway. I guess though I'd get rid of 'You Dream Flat Tires' and do 'Urge For Going'. I think that would work well. Nothing from 'Hissing..' though! Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:38:38 -0600 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 18 On September 18 the following item was published: 1996: "Grace Of My Heart Soundtrack Recalled" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960918as.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:38:38 -0600 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 18 1996: The much talked about Grace Of My Heart soundtrack, featuring '60s-era songwriters teaming with the cream of the crop of '90s musicians, was recalled by MCA Records allegedly because permission to use the Joni Mitchell-sung track, "Man From Mars," was not obtained in time for the release. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960918rt.cfm - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:02:36 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Is there a world flag?(NJC) Does anyone know if there is a world flag or "planet earth" flag?My idea is instead of waving flags of our countries,why not show that we are citizens of Planet Earth by waving a flag of the whole planet?In a deeper,spiritual sense,countries are artificial and just one of many divisions.to be too nationalistic is very limited.we are all one people... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:59:55 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: JoniFest CD preview Joniphiles - I've put a few tunes from JoniFest 2002 up on the website for instant listening! http://www.jmdl.com These are *randomly chosen* clips, I might add... The entire 8CD set will be available soon. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:35:10 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: JoniFest CD preview Les...these are fabulous...THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!! Les Irvin wrote: > > Joniphiles - > I've put a few tunes from JoniFest 2002 up on the website for instant > listening! http://www.jmdl.com > These are *randomly chosen* clips, I might add... > The entire 8CD set will be available soon. > Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:33:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniFest CD preview **I've put a few tunes from JoniFest 2002 up on the website for instant listening! http://www.jmdl.com** WOW! Nice random picks, Les! Those of us who witnessed these will get some great memories, maybe even a lump in the throat. Those who weren't...well, you can hear what you missed. Wonderful stuff, Les...just making me want them all now! Bob NP: Giselle Hawkins, "I'll Be" (from Greenville SC's own Edwin McCain) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:32 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Iraq NJC I think that the Administration is framing Iraq as an Enemy because we didn't find/kill/capture/conquer Osama bin Lauden. By renewing an old straw man, we are focussed on winning the Next Big Fight. This helps the previous ass-kicking becomes a memory more quickly. Does anyone discuss that we are borrowing money to merely pay the interest on the national debt? I didn't think so. Who wants to concentrate on the really, really big problems when we can focus on hating a tiny dictator who is not a real threat to us. It's so easy to do. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:38:35 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: JoniFest CD preview THANK YOU!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: JoniFest CD preview > Joniphiles - > I've put a few tunes from JoniFest 2002 up on the website for instant > listening! http://www.jmdl.com > These are *randomly chosen* clips, I might add... > The entire 8CD set will be available soon. > Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:01:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Canadian poll (njc) Hi Mags - I was tired last night and should have articulated better. I have added below an article from the Globe and Mail which ran the poll. It was actually 84% who thought the US was at least partly responsible for the attacks. Part of my point was that the poll was so broad as to be deceptive. If you look at that broad question you could conceivably have 100% agreeing with it. But it doesn't provide the detailis as to specifically "what" or "how" one felt the US was responsible. I could answer it and say because of our lax intelligence and immigration policies and not necessarily because the US is so evil in the world, as some would like to promote, I believe. But the effect of those numbers hitting you cold can easily make an American think all kinds of things. There were some heated news shows the past few days here about it. There were a few Canadian journalists who were interviewed and they said not to take it as negatively as it looked. The link is too long to post but if you want to read the article at the Globe and Mail you can bring it up on a search. Here it is: Ipsos-Reid takes issue with Harper criticism By SHAWN MCCARTHY Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - Print Edition, Page A5 Ottawa -- Polling firm Ipsos-Reid is threatening to sue Canadian Alliance Leader Stephen Harper over criticisms made on U.S. television of one of its polls. In an appearance on Fox News last week, Mr. Harper dismissed an Ipsos-Reid poll -- carried in The Globe and Mail and on CTV -- in which 84 per cent of respondents said that the U.S. was at least partly responsible for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Mr. Harper responded by saying Liberal pollsters get Liberal results. Ipsos-Reid vice-president John Wright said the firm is demanding a full retraction from Mr. Harper, saying it has absolutely no ties with any political party. Mags wrote: > A poll was taken in Canada. By whom? who was polled? How many? How is > one poll representative of "all Canadians" or all blue, purple, or > green people for that matter. > > just because a poll says something doesnt make it so. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Iraq NJC --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > I think that the Administration is framing Iraq as > an Enemy because we > didn't find/kill/capture/conquer Osama bin Lauden. > By renewing an old straw > man, we are focussed on winning the Next Big Fight. > This helps the previous > ass-kicking becomes a memory more quickly. Bingo. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:18:54 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Iraq NJC I just find it incredible. Tens of millions in this country have lost their jobs, our roads and schools are crumbling, thousands are becoming homeless everyday, babies and children are not getting their proper nutrition, our water is fast becoming unsafe to drink, our air is getting no better, and kids are getting better educational opportunities but developing narrower views. Are we not the richest nation this world has ever seen??? Why spend most of it towards war efforts? Instead of the old-fashioned tit for tat, Bush should challenge Sadam on a more humanitarian level and together U.S. and Irag try to improve conditions for their people. Why not?????? gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" To: "_JMDL" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Iraq NJC > I think that the Administration is framing Iraq as an Enemy because we > didn't find/kill/capture/conquer Osama bin Lauden. By renewing an old straw > man, we are focussed on winning the Next Big Fight. This helps the previous > ass-kicking becomes a memory more quickly. > > Does anyone discuss that we are borrowing money to merely pay the interest > on the national debt? I didn't think so. Who wants to concentrate on the > really, really big problems when we can focus on hating a tiny dictator who > is not a real threat to us. It's so easy to do. > > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:31:57 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Oops! NJC Oh SURE Steve and You expect us to believe that! Hmmph! Me thinks you just wanted us all to know that you had your way with Bob. But don't mind us honey DO kiss and tell, I'm not above a little gossip, ESPECIALLY when it comes to my favorite cover boy. Paz Just Played-mp3's on JMDL.com (You rock Les) on 9/17/02 10:23 AM, Steve Polifka at polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us wrote: > Hi all, > You just recieved a reply/message that was meant for two individuals, Bob > and Jimmy. However, I sent it to the list unintentionally. Please disregard! > It was meant as a joke among friends. My apologies... > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:33:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Iraq NJC --- gene mock wrote: > Instead of the > old-fashioned tit for tat, > Bush should challenge Sadam on a more humanitarian > level and together U.S. > and Irag try to improve conditions for their people. > Why not?????? That's a helluva good question, Gene. I suppose that would require national leaders to actually think - -rationally and with heart - about just what is going on, and what's important, and the good of mankind & the planet & all that stuff, instead of behaving like louts with road rage. God, you try to bring your kids up to think before they act and not to react to taunts or petty arguments and nonsense by behaving the same way, and then you get the world leaders acting exactly the way we tell our kids not to act. What is wrong with people anyway? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:46:19 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: All-American martini (njc) Hi Lori: > Two things from Kakki: > > > But then we have that gorgeous American the Beautiful > > song that I don't want to give up ;-) > > Not to be nit-picky, but did you write "American" on purpose? Or was > that a Freudian yet patriotic slip? : ) No, just another bout with typoid disease ;-) > > I am, however, taking a few steps that might help my > > restraint. > > Would these steps involve any of those lovely martini glasses of > yours??? : D LOLOL - Lori you are quite psychic! Indeed, I *have* taken stronger measures by switching to a larger glass and placing a big jar of olives on my delete key - LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:10:58 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: bashing njc Typical "gringo" logic. ;-) Gabriel Garcia Marquez has plenty to say on this topic. He got bent out of shape with this topic claiming that the North Americans were arrogant to call themselves Americans as IF they were the only ones. We were taught in Latin America that America' was the whole bleeding thing from North To South. Me, some of my peeps are from Central America which makes us Central Americans or Latinos which my son wants to know why that is cause we don't speak Latin we speak spanish, which fuels the fire under my wifes ass who sez that we are Hispanic because we all originated from Spain, but that leaves out the connection with all the tribes in Central America yes my Mayan ancestors, but then maybe we are all Africans cause that's where it all started isn't it??? The mother land. I dunno I was never to good at Geography (even thought I always wanna be somewhere else), but I am the king of run on sentences, cause I can. I tried to find the article about it on the internet for you, but I couldn't find it. I love his writing and I will keep looking for it for you, it's a good read. Paz on 9/17/02 11:20 AM, dsk at dsk11@bellatlantic.net wrote: > Lori in MD wrote: >> >> Not to mention that the continent of North America includes this other >> rather large country named Canada ... And how is it that *we* (in the >> USA) are the only "Americans"? > > We're the only ones with "America" as part of the full name of the > country, aren't we? > So it makes sense to me that the name has gotten shortened to Americans. > It refers to the country, not the continents. > > What's the full name of Canada? > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #379 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)