From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #377 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 377 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- should have been NJC -sorry [vince ] Re: Clinton NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Here Alone [Catherine McKay ] Re: Borderline [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Iraq NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #373 (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Here Alone NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] German internment in the US(NJC) ["Darice(darice@mindspring.com)"] Re: Impossible dreamer ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: German internment in the US(NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] hey let the big list know... ["Kate Bennett" ] kardine, welcome! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] evading the draft in canada - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: German internment in the US(NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: hey let the big list know... [Catherine McKay ] Re: bashing njc ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re:Clinton on Letterman NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: 12 straight hours of joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: kardine, welcome! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Oops! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: bashing njc ["kakki" ] Re: monica njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: 12 straight hours of joni ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: hey let the big list know... [Mags N Brei ] RE: monica njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: bashing njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: monica njc & that's for sure [Catherine McKay ] Re: bashing njc ["kakki" ] favorite word for chonies - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: bashing njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: monica njc & that's for sure [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: bashing njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: bashing njc ["kakki" ] Re: Sir Paul Tix (njc) [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: fiddle & the drum ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC [Susan Guzzi ] RE: bashing njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: bashing/flogging a dead princess - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: bashing njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:45:09 -0400 From: vince Subject: should have been NJC -sorry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Clinton NJC --- Scott Price wrote: > > > Well, I know better than to join in these threads > but I couldn't let this > one go. I thought the impeachment charges were a bit > more serious than a > traffic violation. ... > > What continues to gall me and will always bother me > is that the president > of the United States went on national television, > looked straight into the > camera, wagged his finger, and in a most forceful > tone stated "I did not > have sex with that woman." Yeah, right. He would > have gained enormous > credibility in my book if he would have simply told > the truth. > > My then-12-year-old daughter asked me why the > president was on trial. I > don't think I've ever been quite so ashamed of a > politician as then, when I > had to explain to her, how this man we elected to > the highest office in the > nation, acted so irresponsibly and then tried to > manipulate the situation > so he could hold onto his office and his family. > What kind of a role model > is this, I wondered. And still do. I usually stay out of this stuff too, but what the hell. (And I a mere Canadian who probably should just shut up about it - I claim diplomatic immunity!) Still, if he had just said, "Yes, I had sex with "that woman" and that one and that one - well, not actual intercourse maybe, but you know - nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more. I apologize to my family, to Monica L etc., to their families and to the people of the USA for my shoddy behavior," the whole thing would have disappeared quickly and not cost so much time, money and embarassment to so many people. He wouldn't be the first world leader to have an affair, or affairs, and we wouldn't have been subjected to every sordid and banal detail of who did what to whom. Yes, he should be embarassed and so should the politicians and the media who dragged this thing out ad nauseum. If he hadn't lied about it... ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Here Alone --- "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > Katherine is at her accordion lesson but I am here > by myself...smelling > like hell because we worked with the > honeybees...phew...this girl better > get into the shower. Wouldn't you just smell like... honey? What are those bees into? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:56:35 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Borderline Wow - You see, Joni thinks Borderline is so important, she's putting it on both CD's :~D Amelion wrote "DISK 1 Love You Dream Flat Tires Borderline Otis & Marlena Amelia Woodstock Slouching Toward Bethlehem Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) The Sire of Sorrow For the Roses Trouble Child God Must Be A Boogie Man DISK 2 Be Cool Just Like This Train Sex Kills Refuge Of the Roads Hejira Chinese Cafe Cherokee Louise The Dawntreader The Last Time I Saw Richard Borderline The Circle Game Coyote" Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:58:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Iraq NJC --- colin wrote: > I am wondering why Iraq is considered such a threat > to the USA and to > the rest of us. > ... > So could someone explain why it is believed that > Saddam Hussien is going > to commit suicide on behalf of the whole of Iraq? > > The above are not rhetroical questions. I would like > to know becasue I > am confused. If you believe that Saddam Hussein is a madman, then committing suicide on behalf of Iraq isn't far-fetched. It's kame kaze on a bigger scale. Also, if you believe that you're on the "right" side, then you have god on your side and you *will* win in the end, so what's to worry? Oil? Jeez, if they'd just diversify a whole lot more and get on with solar power and wind power and electric cars, we wouldn't need their oil. But what would Texas do? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #373 (NJC) --- vince wrote: > > I do admit that I have problems with people who want > to fight wars with > other people's children, or just plainly, with other > people. Good point. People are always fighting wars with other people's children. "They want you they need you They train you to kill To be a pin on some map Some vicarious thrill The old hate the young That's the whole heartless thing The old pick the wars We die in 'em To the beat of the beat of black wings" ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:30:29 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Here Alone NJC LOL...well, it is very hot work, plus the smoker is in use to smoke the bees, and the smoke gets into your clothes and hair. Then you have to carry each box of honey, after you have taken it from the hive one frame at a time and placed it into a new box, into the honey house. Each box of honey weights about 85 pounds. Then you have to stack the boxes. All very hot and physically exerting work. But we love it. And everyone loves the honey. Love and Peace...bee girl Catherine McKay wrote: Wouldn't you just smell like... honey? What are those bees into? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:15:29 -0400 From: "Darice(darice@mindspring.com)" Subject: German internment in the US(NJC) There was a question about why German Americans were not subjected to the same interment as Japanese Americans during WWII. I have heard a very little about German interment camps over the years, so I did a Google search. Search was--+german +"interment camps" +america and I got a lot of information. It seems as if 31,280 Germans (over 120,000 Japanese) were "relocated" during the war. The San Jose Mercury News article looked like a good overview. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:26:38 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: German internment in the US(NJC) Hi Darice, I saw a show on this in the past year. As I recall there was also "relocation" of some Italians, too (see Mussolini threat). My father was stationed at Ford Ord in Monterey during WWII. He used to tell me about some German prisoners of war that were processed through there one time. I thought it was amazing - how did they end up on the West Coast? He and another soldier had to drive the prisoners over to Salinas to the detention facility one afternoon. It was very hot out and he stopped the truck at a roadside place to get some Cokes. He bought all the prisoners a Coke, too, and he said they were stunned that he would do that for them and also let them out to walk around. He chatted with them and in the conversation somehow happened to mention that he and my mother did not have a refrigerator. A month later he got a message that these prisoners had found odds and ends at their camp and had actually engineered and constructed a little refrigerator for him! He said it was a piece of art and worked beautifully. A little story of how humanity can bridge a war. Kakki > There was a question about why German Americans were not subjected to the same > interment as Japanese Americans during WWII. > I have heard a very little about German interment camps over the years, so I > did a Google search. > Search was--+german +"interment camps" +america > and I got a lot of information. > It seems as if 31,280 Germans (over 120,000 Japanese) were "relocated" during > the war. > The San Jose Mercury News article looked like a good overview. > Darice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:45:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Impossible dreamer i remember seeing a little boy i think sitting in her box seats at the tnt tribute but i thought it was one of her grandkids... >>Dear Les: Keep us posted. Has anyone seen Joni with a six or seven year old? :)<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:54:58 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: German internment in the US(NJC) Kakki, heartwarming story. Very nice to read and know. Just goes to show the heart isn't always visible by the actions. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: monica njc abused? taken advantage of? that girl who pulled up her jacket to show the prez her chonies? kate, flat out lying in the gutter now... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: hey let the big list know... from yael: Subject: [NortheastJonifest] hey let the big list know... that canada's full name, i think, is the Dominion of Canada. i am having trouble posting to the big list. - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: kardine, welcome! njc kardine wrote "We only live 99 miles from the Canadian border and both of us have strong roots with Canada. I feel like telling him to run if Bush doesn't stop and Cheney too. I am 54 and saw the heartbreak of Vietnam." i used to tell my son i'd drive him to canada if need be...he's not fighting material anyway so i don't think i have to worry about that... kardine wrote "By the way, it is refreshing to read such intelligent and interesting posts. I don't use the computer much because I had these ideas about the kind of people who use computers for chat etc. but all of you have changed my mind. I have been reading the posts for a long time and today decided to write something. " well i'm glad all these discussions have had such a positive effect! keep posting! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:55:28 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC >Bree, are you serious? Tied up, nuns, gags, now trannies....the hole gets >deeper I guess this does look SMish...still digging out.... What is trannies? (fearing to ask) Bree _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:56:04 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: bashing njc Kate wrote: > people in this country have a right to criticize those who are in power > representing our interests (supposedly) & people who are not citizens of > this country have the same right because they are not immune to the fallout > of our govt's decisions... Absolutely. Everyone has a responsibility to be critical of events going on around us. I just think there is a difference between valid, truthful and based-in-reality-and-fact criticism and just obvious outright bashing, which is sometimes really hateful, whether it be blantantly expressed or more nuanced (but the intent is still hateful). There have been posts here that maybe only I have been sensitive to, that leaned much more towards implying by nuance that the U.S. deserved what it got on 9/11. Criticize all you want, I say, but I will not bow to that particular, specific sentiment. > & while i'm at it, i'd rather use the term 'usa' because i have always felt > uncomfortable using the word 'america' when we are north america & there is > another continent of south america, but i keep digressing... I feel the same way. USA is more appropriate. But then we have that gorgeous American the Beautiful song that I don't want to give up ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:06:44 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: evading the draft in canada - njc Kardinel@aol.com writes: << I feel like telling him to run if Bush doesn't stop and Cheney too. I am 54 and saw the heartbreak of Vietnam. >> I've been thinking a lot about the Vietnam years lately, and worrying about younger relatives and the children of friends. During Vietnam, when I was a teenager, I had a friend named David who came from a family of ten, six boys and four girls. David, whose parents were immigrants and had become very successful -- his father was Chinese, and a scientist/professor; and his mother was an Austrian who headed a department at a women's college in Boston -- had the option of fleeing the draft and running to Canada because his parents had bought a house right over the boarder in case any of the boys wanted to evade the draft. The year we turned eighteen (1971, yikes!) was the last year birth dates were drawn for the draft. Mine was something like #365. My friend's was more like #1. Since the conflict was winding down (and would finally end about four years later), my friend chose to go into the National Guard. But if he had decided to go to Canada I would have given him my full support. And I would have been happy to know that he wouldn't be coming home is a body bag for no good reason, like so many of my older brother's friends. I hope your son will consider all his options if war comes. Sometimes it takes a lot more sanity and bravery not to fall, oh my friend. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:17:15 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: German internment in the US(NJC) Kakki writes: << He chatted with them and in the conversation somehow happened to mention that he and my mother did not have a refrigerator. A month later he got a message that these prisoners had found odds and ends at their camp and had actually engineered and constructed a little refrigerator for him! He said it was a piece of art and worked beautifully. A little story of how humanity can bridge a war. >> What a great story, Kakki. Thanks. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:21:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hey let the big list know... Yael wrote, but Kate passed it on: > > Subject: [NortheastJonifest] hey let the big list > know... > > > that canada's full name, i think, is the Dominion of > Canada. > i am having trouble posting to the big list. > -yael Yael (Kate), I feel like a total idiot, because I don't know for sure (Mags, help me out here before you forget where you came from!), but I don't think we're called "Dominion of" anymore, ever since we repatriated our constitution in 1982 (which means we no longer have to apply to the British Parliament for amendments (to the constitution)). (In other words, we're no longer under the dominion of British Parliament). Our national holiday, July 1, used to be called Dominion Day - it dates back to 1867 when Canada was created as a country unto itself under the British North America Act (see? America!) However, when we repatriated the BNAA, we renamed it the Constitution Act, and we now call July 1 "Canada Day". The name "Dominion" was a very popular one for businesses of all kinds, most notably a chain of grocery stores in Quebec and Ontario. (The other kind of name you see all the time for companies is Adanac, which is Canada backwards of course - some people have *such* imaginations when it comes to naming things - I can't help but think of Wile E. Coyote and Acme whenever I see that one!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:35:05 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: bashing njc kakki said: There have been posts here that maybe only I have been sensitive to, that leaned much more towards implying by nuance that the U.S. deserved what it got on 9/11. Dear Kakki: While you may be more sensitive than I, I simply did not pick up any nuance, turn of the sentence or implication leaning towards the idea that the U.S. deserved what it got on 9/11. I would like for you to identify those posts. Many posts have been quoted here...many by you...so I most respectfully make this request of you. That way there will be no misunderstanding. However, before you shared this these feelings with us over the past day so, it appeared you were upset about listers taking a strong liberal position against a way. In fact, you stated that you were going to wait until all the information was in before you made up your mind. Indeed, in response to Kate's muses over whether we could all get along here, you implied that people had been able to get along in the past but that this may not be the case now. Is this true? Thank you kakki, in advance for responding to my questions. :) It is always best to ask for clarification. I know that you will be honorable and respond to this and I await your missive. Love and Peace.......Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:24:28 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re:Clinton on Letterman NJC Aren't you the one who liked that little number Joni was wearing in Boston? Izzy Misake?(sp) (someone said she even looked a little heavy in it) (as Guzzi says...JK) Amen! >Bill lies about having "sexual relations" why won't he lie and manipulate >about something else? I know I know, he's a politician...they all lie about >alot of things, does that make it acceptable? >Just a spur of the moment post...hope I didn't ruffle anyone's feathers :) >Erica > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:29:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #375 njc --- Kardinel@aol.com wrote: > I was very moved by the messages I had about my > post. I hate what is going on > out there and I worry about my son even though he is > in college now. By the > way, he was brought up on Joni Mitchell as I have > been a fan since 1968. He > is 19 and loves and is involved with music and > credits my good taste ie Joni > Mitchell as a reason. I have a 12-yr-old son and a 15-yr-old daughter. You can be sure it scares the crap out of me to think that either one of them could end up fighting in a war of any kind. My Dad volunteered and fought in the Canadian Army in WWII and I remember very clearly during the Viet Nam war when he said how glad he was that he wasn't in the USA and of an age to have to fight in that war. Canada had a draft during WWII and I don't want my kids - or anyone else's, anywhere in the world - to have to do this. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:30:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 12 straight hours of joni **but this should be fantastic, and very fun for the new york joninuts.** What about us SC Joninuts? As the VP of covers I MUST be there!! It's in March of '03, right? I'm IN! 12 straight hours for me is just a warm-up, Patrick! :~) Bob NP: The Vines, "In The Jungle" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: kardine, welcome! njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > kardine wrote "We only live 99 miles from the > Canadian border and both of > us have strong roots with Canada. I feel like > telling him to run if Bush > doesn't stop and Cheney too. I am 54 and saw the > heartbreak of Vietnam." > > i used to tell my son i'd drive him to canada if > need be...he's not fighting > material anyway so i don't think i have to worry > about that... You can tell them they can stay with me - no problem! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:33:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Oops! NJC **I felt so sorry for the great poster whose name, alas, I cannot remember** That would be Gina. Met her at the first fest I went to in '99. Very nice, I still catch her online and chat with her from time to time. I don't think she really left because of that letter. I just hope she was able to get together with that guy. Sure sounded like they were truly in love! Bob NP: The Vines, "Mary Jane" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:33:39 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: bashing njc No Sharon, I spend most of my time on this list proving up every word I say most of the time. When I do back myself up, people still diss and attack me and don't even read what I post to prove myself or mischaraterize what I say where I have to post and repost to clarify myself. The constant deconstuction of what I write is a tactic and I am well aware of it. I don't know what I have to say over and over to get it through. I don't care at all what any liberal wants to say on this list about Bush, war or whatever. When I think people are factually wrong, or when I can't stand tokeep quiet anymore, I try to put some facts up. I am absolutely not saying people have no right to criticize and say whatever they want. I am speaking from my own heart. If you really want to know what I am talking about go back and read all the posts back from 9/11/01 and my response to many of them. If you see nothing there, that is fine - I am only speaking for myself, perhaps - or perhaps not. I listen to everyone's opinions whether I agree with them or not. I have rarely if ever, asked anyone to "prove" them to me. Yet many of you do that to me every time I post. > Indeed, in response to Kate's muses over whether we could all get along > here, you implied that people had been able to get along in the past but > that this may not be the case now. Is this true? I don't think I said people were able to get along better, but that people had more respectful and thoughtful debates and differences of opinions. There has been more "bullying" and nastiness in recent years and I am not the only one who has said this in the past few days, nor am I the only one who sees it that way. It's neither here nor there. If you disagree, that's fine. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:36:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: monica njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > abused? taken advantage of? that girl who pulled up > her jacket to show the > prez her chonies? > Chonies??? LOL! That's one word I've never heard before! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:51:46 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: 12 straight hours of joni SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hey Patrick! I think Bob is right...and what about the Wisconsin and Minnesota joninuts? This should be fabulous. Katherine thinks we should be there and I could not agree more. Of course, Bob just wants another search at the airport with no seizure, like Guzzi encountered in Albany. Love and Peace......Sharon and Katherine **but this should be fantastic, and very > fun for the new york joninuts.** > > What about us SC Joninuts? As the VP of covers I MUST be there!! It's in > March of '03, right? I'm IN! > > 12 straight hours for me is just a warm-up, Patrick! :~) > > Bob > > NP: The Vines, "In The Jungle" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: German internment in the US(NJC) --- "Darice(darice@mindspring.com)" wrote: > There was a question about why German Americans were > not subjected to the same > interment as Japanese Americans during WWII. > I have heard a very little about German interment > camps over the years, so I > did a Google search. > Search was--+german +"interment camps" +america > and I got a lot of information. > It seems as if 31,280 Germans (over 120,000 > Japanese) were "relocated" during > the war. > The San Jose Mercury News article looked like a good > overview. > Darice That was me - I wasn't aware there were internment camps of German-Americans (or Canadians) although I've read quite a bit about the Japanese ones. I know there were POW camps for German soldiers. My stepmother is from England and she remembers passing by a POW camp and the soldiers would be working away at something, calling out to the girls as they went by and whistling and so on. She was just in her teens at the time, so it scared her (my god - it's the enemy!), but later, she realized they were just kids too. There is a town in Ontario called Kitchener. It used to be called Berlin (it was originally settled by Germans - Mennonites to begin with - and to this day, there are still many people of German descent - and still quite a few Old Order Mennonites -mmm, yummy cooking!) but when WWI came along, anti-German sentiment was so strong that they changed the name. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC --- Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > Besides, what about people like me? I'm a moronic > idiot, and I DON'T fly a > flag! > > Story of my life...I can never seem to fit in! :~) > LOL, Moronic Bob - this cracked me right up! I will defend to the death your right to be a moron who doesn't fly a flag! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: hey let the big list know... according to the "Yael" book of knowledge, we have discovered that Canada, as was mentioned before, does indeed stand on her own. No more Dominion. so you are right on oh Canadian sister. :-)))) Mags, residing in ESC (extremely southern Canada ;-) new joisey aka - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > > > Yael (Kate), I feel like a total idiot, because I > don't know for sure (Mags, help me out here before you > forget where you came from!), but I don't think we're > called "Dominion of" anymore, ever since we > repatriated our constitution in 1982 (which means we > no longer have to apply to the British Parliament for > amendments (to the constitution)). (In other words, > we're no longer under the dominion of British > Parliament). ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:13:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: monica njc catherine you made my day! you make me lol so much everyday...i am soooo happy i could return the favor! i just love that word...so here's a new thread...what's your favorite word for chonies? lol catherine >>Chonies??? LOL! That's one word I've never heard before!<< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:13:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: bashing njc kakki wrtoe >USA is more appropriate. But then we have that gorgeous American the Beautiful song that I don't want to give up ;-)< i love that song too & have always thought it should be our national anthem...i think we are stuck with using america in our songs... kakki >There have been posts here that maybe only I have been sensitive to, that leaned much more towards implying by nuance that the U.S. deserved what it got on 9/11.< if anyone had implied that kind of thing i would have been all over it...i don't recall ever reading anything that remotely insinuated that the acts of 9/11 were justified...but i do recall many discussions that talked about why other countries are angry at the usa & that this anger is justified...but this was never in the context of justifying the acts of 9/11...however, i do recall great confusion over this issue... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: monica njc & that's for sure --- Kate Bennett wrote: > catherine you made my day! you make me lol so much > everyday...i am soooo > happy i could return the favor! i just love that > word...so here's a new > thread...what's your favorite word for chonies? lol Favourite word? Dunno - here's a few: - - boobs (remember that song that went: "Do ya like boobs a lot? Gotta like boobs a lot." and so on - they don't write lyrics like *that* anymore!) - - tits - - titties - - dirty pillows (I never heard that one before reading S. King's "Carrie" - all I can say to that is iiwww!) - - bazoomers (I kinda like the sound of that one!) The German word for bra is Bustenhalter - you gotta love that. Honest to God, I can't think of any more words right now - I think the boom boom pachyderms have more choices. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:12:23 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: bashing njc Hi Kate: > i love that song too & have always thought it should be our national > anthem...i think we are stuck with using america in our songs... All of my life everyone has said that - so why don't we make it happen?! > if anyone had implied that kind of thing i would have been all over it...i > don't recall ever reading anything that remotely insinuated that the acts of > 9/11 were justified... Not justified but deserved in the sense that we have been so "bad" to the world that it's no wonder that it happened. Kate, articles were posted, people made comments to this extent. You can go read the foreign press everyday with the same sentiments. There was just a news report of a poll in Canada which said 80% thought the U.S's actions led to the attack. Some Canadians have come out on the news shows and said this poll does not reflect the opinion of most Canadians, but this bashing is out there. >but i do recall many discussions that talked about > why other countries are angry at the usa & that this anger is > justified Maybe this is where I just shut off. I don't think most of the anger is justified. I have written many times here before why I don't think it is justified. I think most of the hatred of us is whipped up and not based in reality. I don't want to drone on again about it. I think the U.S. needs some really good P.R. agents to get the word out of how much GOOD we do for the world. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:17:13 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: favorite word for chonies - njc Kate asks: << what's your favorite word for chonies? >> Carmichaels. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:24:23 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: bashing njc So true Kakki. I am currently in a political chat room and the canadians are bashing the U.S. right now and do every night. mack .. > > Not justified but deserved in the sense that we have been so "bad" to the > world that it's no wonder that it happened. Kate, articles were posted, > people made comments to this extent. You can go read the foreign press > everyday with the same sentiments. There was just a news report of a poll > in Canada which said 80% thought the U.S's actions led to the attack. Some > Canadians have come out on the news shows and said this poll does not > reflect the opinion of most Canadians, but this bashing is out there. > > >but i do recall many discussions that talked about > > why other countries are angry at the usa & that this anger is > > justified > > Maybe this is where I just shut off. I don't think most of the anger is > justified. I have written many times here before why I don't think it is > justified. I think most of the hatred of us is whipped up and not based in > reality. I don't want to drone on again about it. I think the U.S. needs > some really good P.R. agents to get the word out of how much GOOD we do for > the world. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:20:24 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: monica njc & that's for sure Catherine writes: << The German word for bra is Bustenhalter >> No wonder we went to war with those bastards twice in the last century. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:32:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: bashing njc Kakki writes: << There was just a news report of a poll in Canada which said 80% thought the U.S's actions led to the attack. >> Hello? This is news? Right or wrong, of course US actions led to the attack -- otherwise al Queda would have gone after Peru or Sweden or someone else. This news report isn't saying that 80% of Canadians think the attacks on the US were JUSTIFIED, it's saying that US ACTIONS LED TO THE ATTACK. US bases in Saudi Arabia, cheap oil, mass dissemination of Western culture . . . we may not think these things are wrong, but someone does. Those are some of the "US actions (that) led to the attack." Shit. I had promised myself I wouldn't get into this . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:44:16 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC >You need to behave or get some girl! I'm going for a record. >After that last time, way back when I called you out, and you got hurt Well....you were brutal with that whip! (easy and tender...I told you as much) >I did mean that tongue oh....that tongue! >I expect obedience, my rules, more spankings forceful are you?!!!!! You are not going that fast....off the hook that easy... ...you bleeding heart...pinko pacifist.....which dem fem woman tickles your fancy? (on the national scene) A Reno kind of woman....you know she's not busy now....she just today admitted defeat in Florida. Muriel Humphrey.....is she still living....or does it matter? (gosh...where did that name come from....it just popped in my head) I better stop....too much green tea tonight... You take care....too, as well as everyone.... Bree >Peace >Susan >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:55:13 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: bashing njc Me too bob but couldn't control myself. I took a poll in the chatroom from the canadians there. They all, the 4 of them, stated that they don't like the U.S., the policies of the U.S., nor the attitude of the people of the U.S., but they did believe our policies led to the attack of 911. However, none of them thought we deserved the 911 attack or that they were justified. Of course, this is just 4 people in a chatroom on a random night. Nice folks though. Guess it is like one's family. I can talk about them but don't want you doing it. mack > > Shit. I had promised myself I wouldn't get into this . . . > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:48:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC *LOL, Moronic Bob - this cracked me right up! I will defend to the death your right to be a moron who doesn't fly a flag!* Well, I doubt that my right to be an idiotic moron is worth fighting to the death over, Catherine! But hey, I appreciate the thought. In a couple of weeks my Italian friends are having their parents visiting from Italy. We're having them over for dinner, and I want to get an Italian flag to hang on our house for them. Honestly, I can't do a lot of (American) flag-waving when so many of my BEST friends hail from New Zealand, Australia, Denmark, Holland, The UK, Ireland, South Africa, The Phillipines, Germany,Argentina, Canada, (and Ange in Thailand!). I feel more a citizen of the world than the USA and after all we're all children of the same God. Now let's all join hands and sing "We Are The World". Murphy can do the Michael Jackson parts in his Ethel voice! :~) Bob NP: The Vines, "Country Yard" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:57:09 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC Oh no Bree, please go on. You were just getting me started. mack > I better stop....too much green tea tonight... > > You take care....too, as well as everyone.... > > Bree > > > > > >Peace > >Susan > >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > >http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com update! What a list! Wow, look at all the genres this woman encompasses! I'm completely relieved to see my beloved "Ludwig's Tune" is a shoe-in. I wonder who plays piano on "Chinese Cafe"- Billy Preston, Herbie Hancock, or Joni???? I think this "Joni Mitchell" person might be one of the better songwriters of my generation but I'm not gonna rush to Judgement. :) Falling in love again, Lama (and again and again and again...... > "A Travelogue", is due in stores on November 19. > > DISK 1 > > Love > You Dream Flat Tires > Borderline > Otis & Marlena > Amelia > Woodstock > Slouching Toward Bethlehem > Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) > The Sire of Sorrow > For the Roses > Trouble Child > God Must Be A Boogie Man > > > DISK 2 > > Be Cool > Just Like This Train > Sex Kills > Refuge Of the Roads > Hejira > Chinese Cafe > Cherokee Louise > The Dawntreader > The Last Time I Saw Richard > Borderline > The Circle Game > Coyote Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:58:29 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: bashing njc Bob, How do we know what those 80% individually thought? The poll question is too broadly posed to know what "actions" specifically they think we have done to lead to the attack. Whatever. I really don't want to get involved in this particular debate anymore. No offense and nothing personal to anyone. I want to have my own position on the whole thing and like I wrote last night, will deal with it in my own way. I'm sorry my remarks have brought up yet one more issue here. I want to try not to get involved with this in the future and get back to enjoying the more innocuous aspects of the place. I want to say that I will make no further comment on any of this, but sometimes I can't restrain myself. I am, however, taking a few steps that might help my restraint. Sincerely, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:04:00 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Sir Paul Tix (njc) Lama, $10?? That won't cover my cab ride! Hey, it's once in a lifetime. I missed Paul in Detroit, so it's off to Chi-land to see him. Got duplicates that I'm trying to sell at face. Any takers? The list has been busy! Wish I had more time to participate : ( Terry Matlin- I *pledge* $10. Lama ps, Why do you lurk so, dear? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:04:33 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: fiddle & the drum >last year, a friend of mine decided to sing "fiddle & the drum' at our >tribute to joni mitchell show...the entire room was riveted...this was >early I never really gave this song much thought...although of course anything Joni The Great writes....I'm open to. But...it wasn't until a very sweet person on the list....who I am crazy for, helped me understand. She sings/speaks Fiddle and The Drum into a tiny little tape recorder....she believes every word of it. It is her mantra....I (so real with a beautiful naoveti)was touched....and looked at F&TD in a whole new way...a new light. Bree Blowin in the wind....would be in the top for me too. >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC Breee you are in so much trouble! I am shocked! Bree how dare you misrepresent me in the public eye! You have seriously damaged my original post and put post-bytes out there to purposefully change what I said. Everyone please go back and look at my original reply. Oh girl you are gonna get it now, just wait you right wing conservative, fascist, hawkish, bible thumping, money hungry white bred sonofva ....LOL! I don't think its green tea you've been drinking or smoking sista! - --- Bree wrote: > > >You need to behave or get some girl! > > I'm going for a record. > Susan wrote: > >After that last time, way back when I called you out, and you got hurt > >Bree wrote: Well....you were brutal with that whip! (easy and tender...I told you as > much) Susan: For one I don't even own a whip and for two who's whipping who? If you played the game you would know the one holding the whip has all the say so! > > Susan with words removed by Bree: > >I did mean that tongue > Bree piggishly added: oh....that tongue! > Susan (me): Here she goes, there was a legit ending to that sentence. But you are right ... however you'll never know! Susan again altered by Bree: > >I expect obedience, my rules, more spankings > > forceful are you?!!!!! > Atttention Joniphiles this sentence is also not in it's original form! If it's force you want just wait till the next political debate, take a break Lori, I'm coming in to pinch hit! Bree: > You are not going that fast....off the hook that easy... > > ...you bleeding heart...pinko pacifist.....which dem fem woman tickles your > fancy? (on the national scene) > > A Reno kind of woman....you know she's not busy now....she just today > admitted defeat in Florida. > > Muriel Humphrey.....is she still living....or does it matter? (gosh...where > did that name come from....it just popped in my head) > Please, Janet Reno, me thinks it's you the Libby lover who digs those older intellectual types. I wouldn't do too bad with Hillary and she is from CHicago. I don't really run with that crowd - I like 'em with accents! Give me Kate Winslet any day! And you know there may be more! Oh gawd I feel like dirty old woman! Behave Bree, I blame you for dragging me into the gutter! > I better stop....too much green tea tonight... > Green tea my ... nevermind. Sorry everyone, but this was *mostly* in fun, except that Bree cheats! Just watch her whine the next political debate we have here. I coming after you girl! And I hope Joni is watching, cause I think she's gonna get a kick out of the ass kickin I give you! LOL! Do you really think she cares Bree, get your head out of the clouds - oh I get it trying to look at life from Both Sides Now. Except your a freaking right wing Republican ... NO Can DO! Take care you nut! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:36:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: bashing njc kakki wrote: "I am, however, taking a few steps that might help my restraint." restraint? psst, don't let bree, susan guzzi & the rest of those wild women know about this! lol, sorry but since i instigated this whole debacle i must make amends... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:23:54 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC Nice Bob writes: << Now let's all join hands and sing "We Are The World". Murphy can do the Michael Jackson parts in his Ethel voice! :~) >> WE ARE THE WORLD ! ! ! WE ARE THE PEOPLE ! ! ! FUNNY, ISN'T IT . . . SMALL . . . AND FUNNY . . . AND FINE. << I feel more a citizen of the world than the USA and after all we're all children of the same God. >> You're so wonderful, Bob. I feel exactly the same way. I even went to church on Sunday, but they threw me out for chain smoking. Damn uppity Lutherans. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:44:44 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: bashing/flogging a dead princess - njc Kakki writes: << I want to try not to get involved with this in the future and get back to enjoying the more innocuous aspects of the place. >> I agree, wholeheartedly. I haven't posted anything remotely political since Princess Margaret died and my post in reaction to her death made at least one lister go ballistic on me. I am sorry, but when someone who has offended 7 out of 8 of my great-grandparents with her venom dies, I don't mourn. And maybe this isn't the place to express those thoughts. (BTW . . . Want evidence of trashy Margaret calling the Irish pigs? Do a Google search for "Princess Margaret Irish Pigs." You'll have enough crap to read for days!) In general, I would rather not know people's political viewpoints, just as people might prefer not to know mine. I am all for the P(olitical) C(ontent) tag, by the way. Then I can delete all this divisive stuff. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:00:03 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: bashing njc >I don't want to drone on again about it. I think the U.S. needs >some really good P.R. agents to get the word out of how much GOOD we do for >the world. Darn Right!! Look at the billions we give to countries. The American Red Cross.... first thing on the scene....no questions asked!! We are holding and pumping up much of this world. And sometimes...well you just want a thank you. (not a slap in the face) Bree >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #377 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)