From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #376 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 17 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 376 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: rehersal njc ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: North Americans (was bashing) NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: njc now we see who wants peace, war ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] Bob Muller searched NJC ["Barbara L" ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Iraq NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #373 (NJC) [vince ] Re: bashing njc ["Oskar Matzerath" ] re: Iraq NJC ["Garret" ] Re: jonimitchell.com update! [Deb Messling ] Re: Impossible dreamer ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Clinton NJC [Scott Price ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Iraq NJC [colin ] Re: Here Alone ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Impossible dreamer now PREGNANT JONI [Les Irvin ] Re: letterman and clinton - njc [colin ] me alone ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC [colin ] Re: jonimitchell.com update! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Iraq NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC ["Lori in MD" ] Re: bashing njc [vince ] Oops! NJC [vince ] Re: Ponette and Children NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] war & sacrifice njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: bashing njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Canada and Bush [vince ] Re: bashing njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: rehersal njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #375 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: Bush bashing and snide remarks - SJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:14:08 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: rehersal njc vince wrote" On the Letterman show, Clinton firmly, I thought, took a stand against a war with Iraq." Kate replied: "from my recollections his position was not firmly or obviously (to me anyway) antiwar" And seeing the tape again will help. I should add that my conclusion as stated above was grounded in all of the caveats that Clinton enunciated, which allowed him to speak no ill but graciously of the current president while giving forth a whole host of things to consider - which to my mind, Clinton was listing those caveats as to indicate that war would be a policy that he would not pursue. But that was my interpretation of it, which is why I added the caveat of what "I thought" Clinton said, rather that state affirmatively, "Clinton said..." One of his caveats was that if Saddam feels that he has nothing to lose, will use what weapons he does have stockpiled, giving a far better explanation than G HW Bush did when he was president about why the first Bush did not go to Baghdad - because then Saddam would have unleashed those weapons in 1991. That Clinton would articulate the elder Bush's strategy, and identify with it, so clearly, left me impressed and for the first time I understood why we stopped without "getting" Saddam in 1991. And someone noted but oit bears repeated that Clinton was gracious to Bush throughout, expressing thanks for the presidential jet that got Bill back to the US from Australia to be with his family on September 11th. And it was in listening closely to see where Clinton disagreed with Bush because Clinton was very gracious to Bush. The disagreements were there, but said so skillfully that Clinton was in no way saying anything the slightest bit negative about Bush. That bit of graciousness was very good coming from a former presient speaking about a current president. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:23:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: North Americans (was bashing) NJC I previously replied to Debra's rhetorical question: > > What's the full name of Canada? > > > Good question Debra, and I hope that our Canadian brothers and sisters will > answer that. > > What I really wanted to konw was where the name "Canada" came from, but with a little search I learned it's from the word "Kanata", an Iroquois word meaning town or cluster of dwellings. Sorry for the trivia during these political discussions :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:42:15 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc now we see who wants peace, war >Iraq has offered a solution - inspections without limits. The Bush >administration has already scoffed. I really don't mean this as a put down: But are you really that naive, Vince? This madman has had his chance. On Saddam's terms??....this would be unwise of Bush...and not prudent!! (and crazy) Those inspections were a farce the last go around.(it would be the equivalent of a drug dealer *showing* the cops where his drugs are in his house. Do think this drug dealer would direct the cops to the right room? ) It would take years....for them to check all the places he could be hiding the stuff. (civilians homes) Then it will be too late! World peace is in the very balance here.....this is serious stuff. >unless the administration has the goal of going to war. I think if you want to call it this....the goal is honorable. Bree >This is a moment of truth and I pray our nation acts with wisdom. > >Vince _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:52:22 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: njc now we see who wants peace, war I really don't mean this as a put down: But are you really that naive, Vince? Not naive at all, Bree, not at all. Go back to the October msisile crisis - the Soviets were no happy flower children, and we found a way out by choosing the message we responded to. Or try Reagan, who said,. trust, but verify. I expect Saddam to do exactly what is in his best interest and there is no doubt that his best interest means letting the inspectors come in unconditionally. There is always time to go to war. But we can take the time to try other alternatives, and this alternative is, getting what we asked for and what we said we wanted. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:54:34 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Impossible dreamer Joniphiles - One can find the most interesting things on the Internet. This popped up during a news search: - ------------ NBC Evening News for Wednesday, Dec 29, 1993 - - Headline: Medicine: Older Mothers - - Abstract: The debate over post-menopausal mothers giving birth due to new medical techniques developed by Italian physician Severino Antinori examined; statistics cited. Singer Joni MITCHELL - talks about having a son at 52. - ------------ I figure one of 3 things is happening here... - - there's another singer named Joni Mitchell. - - there's a 99.999999% chance this story is in error. - - there's a 00.000001% chance I've uncovered a goldmine. Go figure. Les NP: Los Lobos "La Guacamaya" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:55:29 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 1:40:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Lori in MD" writes: >> No matter what you think of Monica..... >> HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER!!!!!!! > >Oh Bree, please. Monica was 22 years old when her fascination with >Willy's willy began. She was an adult, he was an adult -- it was >consensual. That he was the President of the United States surely must >have added an extra thrill for her. It would have for me! : O > >Lori > >~ > I think the key words in that situation are perspective and proportion,words that clearly did not cross the Clinton's critics minds.I believe that Clinton was wrong in his behavior but the offence was blown way,way,way out of proportion.A person doesn't go to jail for going through a red light.Clinton never should have been impeached for what he did.I know Europe was laughing at us for being so puritanical,and I don't blame them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:08 +0000 From: "Barbara L" Subject: Bob Muller searched NJC NEXT Jonifest, let's all search Bob Muller!!!! Barbara Little at work feeling frisky :-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:09:52 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC Why am I just getting this reply to another reply when I haven't seen the first reply? > >> No matter what you think of Monica..... > >> HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER!!!!!!! Who wrote this? I did!! problems with it..eh?? > >Oh Bree, please. Monica was 22 years old when her fascination with > >Willy's willy began. She was an adult, he was an adult -- it was > >consensual. That he was the President of the United States surely must > >have added an extra thrill for her. It would have for me! : O Why in the oval office? Why not the Watergate? And she was 21!! Big difference!! enough for me and this sex angle of Clinton. I want now to talk about the real reason I despise him. ;-) me > >Lori > > > >~ > > > > I think the key words in that situation are perspective and >proportion,words that clearly did not cross the Clinton's critics minds.I >believe that Clinton was wrong in his behavior but the offence was blown >way,way,way out of proportion.A person doesn't go to jail for going through >a red light.Clinton never should have been impeached for what he did.I know >Europe was laughing at us for being so puritanical,and I don't blame them. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:10:29 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: jonimitchell.com update! (NJC) Man, I don't believe it! Someone named "Steve T." just posted a track listing for Joni Mitchell's new CD. Les, you need to step in RIGHT NOW and put a stop to this!!! There is NO PLACE for this type of crap on the Letterman and Clinton Discussion List. We have our standards to maintain. Joni Mitchell, fer chrissakes... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:15:16 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Iraq NJC - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of colin Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:12 PM To: jonis Subject: Iraq NJC I am wondering why Iraq is considered such a threat to the USA and to the rest of us. It is a small country with nothing much except oil. Now you're getting it! Can you spell Exxon??????? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:20:20 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #373 (NJC) > "Kardinel" wrote: > > > My son is in college and in ROTC. I have adjusted to > > the idea but worry all the time. He is my only child > > and I raised him alone. Last winter during the height > > of the terrorist war I was in Key West. I looked around > > at all the wealthy, arrogant people there who had not > > given up one thing for our common good. I thought about > > my father during WW2 and what he did and the country as > > a whole. Do I want my son in harm's way for these kind > > of people? No. There is more to sacrifice than buying > > plastic flags and going shopping for the economy. > Lori said: > You got that right. > Sure does. My son Jeremy, Gage's father, is a marine and his whereabouts right now are classified. War comes, he's in the front line, hell, he'll be first in. I do admit that I have problems with people who want to fight wars with other people's children, or just plainly, with other people. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:20:22 -0400 From: "Oskar Matzerath" Subject: Re: bashing njc > > & while i'm at it, i'd rather use the term 'usa' > < because i have always felt uncomfortable using the > > word 'america' when we are north america & there is > > another continent of south america, but i keep > > digressing... > > Not to mention that the continent of North America includes this other > rather large country named Canada ... Excuse me, there's a Senor Mexico on line one... > And how is it that *we* (in the > USA) are the only "Americans"? Because *we* are the only group of citizens that refer to themselves as Americans or are referred to as such by others. When you hear complaints about American warmongering, they aren't talking about El Salvador. But maybe they should be. > > I never have understood that. Glad to help! Cheers, Oskar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:37:13 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: re: Iraq NJC Colin wrote: > >I am wondering why Iraq is considered such a threat to the USA and to >the rest of us. > >It is a small country with nothing much except oil. > >If it manages to get a nuke and use it, that would be the end of Iraq. >If it uses other weapons, the chemical ones, bio ones, that would be the >end of Iraq.(although no one seems to care he use them on his >ownpeople). > >So could someone explain why it is believed that Saddam Hussien is going >to commit suicide on behalf of the whole of Iraq? > >The above are not rhetroical questions. I would like to know becasue I >am confused. > Hey Colin, glad to hear your trip turned out to be so interesting:) (say hi to John) I'm glad you asked those questions that you did. It got me to thinking about all this (and anyone that knows me can tell you that i **never** understand politics -never ever, i tend to get as confused as you sound!) I read in the paper something about links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. As far as i'd ever known, there isn't really any close connections between them, and it sounded very much like personal opinion passed off as fact; this quite surprised me coming from a so called quality broadsheet. Is there any *real* evidence to support the assertion that he has been connected to al-Qaida?? I know there are many people on this list that follow these issues closer than i do, and there are people on this list that *understand* these things on a level i seem unable to reach. One thing that has been obvious, even to me in my way of oversimplified understanding, is that Hussein does indeed pose an interesting problem/threat. It is almost certain that he already has some of these weaons Colin, it is almost certain that he wants more, and it is almost certain that he has no problems in using them. Before 1998 UN inspectors found evidence that Husseins regime had been producing (developing??) nuclear, chemical and (!) biological weaponry. It may be a small country Colin, but with devices of these sorts at their disposal, they could pack a powerful punch. That was four years ago; it almost doubtless that this production has continued in that time. When world leaders left Hitler alone in the 1930's, he grew stronger. What happens if we leave Hussein alone; problems with Kuwait? Iran? Am i right in thinking there are important consequences for Israel too? Is military action justifiable? Does that mean war? Is a world without war an unattainable ideal? As ever with this type of thing i have more questions than i can (or want to) answer. I only half understand what Blair and Bush advocate as a solution to this issue. I don't know if it's for the best. the only thing i'm sure of is that hardship and bloodshed will follow any action on their behalf. If they aggrevate Hussein into utilising any of those weapons, what then? There are no answers; everyone seems to have an agenda, everyone seems to have an opinion and i can find no straight answers Colin. All i can find is more questions, and more questions, and more questions. GARRET np- The Carpenters, Solitaire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:46:59 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com update! Thanks for posting this, Amelio! Trouble Child! Otis and Marlena! I really can't wait for this record. Judging from the songs she did on her last tour, it's going to be stunning. At 06:39 PM 9/17/02 +0100, you wrote: >(9/16/02) >Here's the complete song lineup for Joni's new CD. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:19:13 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Impossible dreamer Dear Les: Keep us posted. Has anyone seen Joni with a six or seven year old? :) Love....Sharon Les Irvin wrote: > > Joniphiles - > One can find the most interesting things on the Internet. This popped up > during a news search: > > ------------ > NBC Evening News for Wednesday, Dec 29, 1993 > > - Headline: Medicine: Older Mothers > > - Abstract: The debate over post-menopausal mothers giving birth due to new > medical techniques developed by Italian physician Severino Antinori > examined; statistics cited. Singer Joni MITCHELL - talks about having a > son at 52. > ------------ > > I figure one of 3 things is happening here... > - there's another singer named Joni Mitchell. > - there's a 99.999999% chance this story is in error. > - there's a 00.000001% chance I've uncovered a goldmine. > > Go figure. > Les > > NP: Los Lobos "La Guacamaya" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:31:28 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com update! <> I almost wish she wasn't re-doing "Judgement"...after all she got it exactly right the first time. Having a hard time imagining some of these done with orchestration (and really hoping the instrumentation is more varied than BSN), but obviously I'm excited too. Do you think with some of these she's doing another "Misses"? That is, presenting songs that were underappreciated the first time 'round? Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Livin' For The City" (Shout out to my Full Moon Stevie buds Alison, Les I, Julius, Barbara...I wish we were still there singing!) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Her big, warm voice sent soothing vibes over the airwaves. Osborne's latest release, How Sweet It Is, was intended to do just that: take a batch of songs from another period of political, social and cultural ferment, and update them to offer some relief from today's troubled times. Always an interpreter of roots music rather than a preservationist, Osborne retools Edwin Starr's "War," Aretha Franklin's "Think," the Band's "The Weight," Jimi Hendrix's "Bold as Love" and others into a set of gently funkified R&B with sparsely arranged horns, B3 organ, soul-girl backup singers and stylishly understated guitar riffs. Only a singer of Osborne's caliber could pull this off; she's in complete control of her powerful pipes. Osborne favors gospel-tinged sensuality over lusty bravado here, but the undulating beat that moves How Sweet It Is hints that there's still plenty of honey in the hive" MEREDITH OCHS (Sept. 17, 2002) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:49:37 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Clinton NJC At 03:55 PM 9/17/2002 -0400, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: >I believe that Clinton was wrong in his behavior but the offence was blown >way,way,way out of proportion.A person doesn't go to jail for going >through a red light.Clinton never should have been impeached for what he did. Well, I know better than to join in these threads but I couldn't let this one go. I thought the impeachment charges were a bit more serious than a traffic violation. "Perjury," charging Mr. Clinton with "providing perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury regarding the Paula Jones case and his relationship with Monica Lewinsky." And "obstruction of justice," charging that Clinton "obstructed justice in an effort to delay, impede, cover up and conceal the existence of evidence related to the Jones case." What continues to gall me and will always bother me is that the president of the United States went on national television, looked straight into the camera, wagged his finger, and in a most forceful tone stated "I did not have sex with that woman." Yeah, right. He would have gained enormous credibility in my book if he would have simply told the truth. My then-12-year-old daughter asked me why the president was on trial. I don't think I've ever been quite so ashamed of a politician as then, when I had to explain to her, how this man we elected to the highest office in the nation, acted so irresponsibly and then tried to manipulate the situation so he could hold onto his office and his family. What kind of a role model is this, I wondered. And still do. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC Bree Bree Bree, I have let others carry the load for this latest political discussion. Love ya Lori, Vince, Sharon ... Well as we know there are just too many liberals on the JMDL to name here! But NOW you have crossed the line! Are you telling me you would rather be tied up by the likes of Barbara Bush, Nancy Regan or Bay (the Banshee) Buchannan? Girl we have got to talk. You need help. JK! - kind of. Peace, Susan Come on Bay is scary reeeeeeaaaally scary! Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:05:51 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC t >have added an extra thrill for her. It would have for me! : O Do you mean with bill or Prez hillary...wasn't she kind of running the show anyway? He was too busy...well with other matters. (quickie matters) Bree >Lori > >~ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:38:59 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC GREAT! Who else would think about being tied up by a former first lady? I am such a fucking prude. LOL I am proud of your Mafia ass, Guzzi. Lots of Love.......Sharon Susan Guzzi wrote: > > Bree Bree Bree, > > I have let others carry the load for this latest political discussion. Love ya Lori, Vince, Sharon > ... Well as we know there are just too many liberals on the JMDL to name here! > > But NOW you have crossed the line! Are you telling me you would rather be tied up by the likes of > Barbara Bush, Nancy Regan or Bay (the Banshee) Buchannan? Girl we have got to talk. You need > help. JK! - kind of. > > Peace, > Susan > > Come on Bay is scary reeeeeeaaaally scary! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:19:44 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com update! In a message dated 9/17/2002 5:32:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluor.com writes: > Having a hard time imagining some of these > done with orchestration (and really hoping the instrumentation is more > varied than BSN), but obviously I'm excited too. > I was thinking the same thing. I'm hoping Joni uses the orchestra to flesh out ideas musically, rather than turning each song into an orchestral museum piece. I'm also wondering if the inclusion of Otis And Marlena, one of my faves, was a decision Joni made post 9/11. that tune is Joni at her poetic zenith, IMHO, not to mention the Muslims sticking up Washington reference... ken PS I'm still reeling about the discovery of the news interview of Joni having a son at the age of 52. Is there any way we can find a transcript of that newscast? NP/ HEM, Rabbit Songs (Wacky Amy Sedaris recommended this CD on Conan a week ago and it is brilliant) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:26:08 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Impossible dreamer now PREGNANT JONI In a message dated 9/17/2002 3:54:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ljirvin@adelphia.net writes: > - Abstract: The debate over post-menopausal mothers giving birth due to new > medical techniques developed by Italian physician Severino Antinori > examined; statistics cited. Singer Joni MITCHELL - talks about having a > son at 52. > ------------ > > I figure one of 3 things is happening here... > - there's another singer named Joni Mitchell. > - there's a 99.999999% chance this story is in error. > - there's a 00.000001% chance I've uncovered a goldmine. > > Go figure. > Les > > This is the very same newscast I inquired about a week ago. I caught the tail end of this segment when I heard Joni's voice saying something like "I'd do it again." It was a segment about women giving birth at the very upper end of childbearing age, and I was only sort of paying attention while making dinner in the kitchen. When I heard Joni's voice, I ran to the TV to catch just the very end of her talking about the experience. Is this a pregnancy that ended in a miscarriage that was written about in the press? Did anyone else happen to catch this newscast? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:41:35 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Here Alone Katherine is at her accordion lesson but I am here by myself...smelling like hell because we worked with the honeybees...phew...this girl better get into the shower. I am going to put another coat of paint on the new front porch before it rains. Can anyone help? Love and Peace........Sherrie Louise who is just a little too silly for her own good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:40:18 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Iraq NJC Hi Garrett-I understand the points you made and have heard these. But no one has yet explained why Husseien wants his country wiped off the face of the earth. By no stretch of the imagination can he destroy the USA. There is no way he has a whole host of missiles aimed at them. Whatever he has, it is limited, and if he use it, that is it for Iraq. So why do the USA nd the UK want to go to war now? There has to be more to this. The similalrity with Germany isn't really there, as has been discussed on UK tv. Germany after WW1 was so punished that the people were oppressed. this enabled someone like Hitler to come to power, offering the Germans hope and pride. His 'arien race' crap was ignored, after all it was only Jews, queers, gypsys, the handicapped he was against so why bother with him? WW2 did not come about because the UK and others wanted to save these people, it was because Hitler invaded Poland. The Holocaust was only discovered during the war, it wasn't the reason for it. And the UK and USA and others have a hand in what happened. Refugees were turned away from the USA. The rhetoric of Hitler was ignored. Getting back tot he Iraq comaprison-Germany had POWER and was able to fight a long war. Iraq could fight a war for 5mins. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:46:28 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Here Alone Sorry...that was supposed to be a private post. I am very sorry everyone. Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > > Katherine is at her accordion lesson but I am here by myself...smelling > like hell because we worked with the honeybees...phew...this girl better > get into the shower. I am going to put another coat of paint on the new > front porch before it rains. Can anyone help? > > Love and Peace........Sherrie Louise who is just a little too silly for > her own good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:38:51 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Impossible dreamer now PREGNANT JONI At 9/17/2002 04:26 PM, KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >It was a segment about women giving birth at the very upper end of >childbearing age, and I was only sort of paying attention while making dinner >in the kitchen. When I heard Joni's voice, I ran to the TV to catch just the >very end of her talking about the experience. Is this a pregnancy that ended >in a miscarriage that was written about in the press? Did anyone else happen >to catch this newscast? FYI - I Just ordered a copy of this newscast on video from the university... We'll soon see! Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:45:51 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Iraq NJC Jerry Notaro wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of colin > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:12 PM > To: jonis > Subject: Iraq NJC > > I am wondering why Iraq is considered such a threat to the USA and to > the rest of us. > > It is a small country with nothing much except oil. > > Now you're getting it! > > Can you spell Exxon??????? Surely you are not suggesting they would go to war because the oil? Why don't we just invade Texas then? rednecks Bush and oil all in one go!(yes, yes, I know not all Texans are rednecks and even if they were I shouldn't be unkind to rednecks. they are human too.) > > > Jerry - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:46:47 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: letterman and clinton - njc Lori in MD wrote: > > Being gay bi str8 etc is much more than sex. > > Of course, Colin. I was kidding around, you know! : D that is not what the girls told me, they say you mean business once you are in uniform...... > > > Love you! > Lori > > ~ - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:53:54 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: me alone Sorry...that was supposed to be a private post. I am very sorry everyone. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:39:09 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC I thought this would get you out here....I knew you were waiting in the wings. And I thought HOW can I get her going....Hmmmmmm.. mention someone being tied-up....she can't resist. I just never dreamed it would be me you would want to see tied -up. I don't know what to say? blushing >... Well as we know there are just too many liberals on the JMDL to name >here! No surprize here!! > >But NOW you have crossed the line! Are you telling me you would rather be >tied up by the likes of >Barbara Bush, Nancy Regan or Bay (the Banshee) Buchannan? Girl we have got >to talk. You need >help. JK! - kind of. Babs Bush, heavens no....she is like me very own grandmother. Nancy Reagan,(not kinky enough) too austere...like a nun I had in school. Agree with you on Bay Banshee....definitely should be gagged. (voice grates....looks like her brother in drag. In fact, sometimes I think it is him with a wig) I revealed my secret the other day on list....LD....Libby Dole.....she could even be my president someday. She against Hillary....2008 I'll stop...... Take care.... Bree (No love life to speak of, what do you expect?) >Peace, >Susan > >Come on Bay is scary reeeeeeaaaally scary! >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:51:37 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC Lori in MD wrote: > > No matter what you think of Monica..... > > HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER!!!!!!! > > Oh Bree, please. Monica was 22 years old when her fascination with > Willy's willy began. She was an adult, he was an adult -- it was > consensual. That he was the President of the United States surely must > have added an extra thrill for her. It would have for me! : O o Lori please! at 22 she was not mature, did not know enough, and the power was on his side. He abused it. That she might have got a thrill from giving him his blow job(I hope he had washed) is neither here nor there. Hew as twice her age, far more experienced etc and she in no way could match that. Just because someone is no longer a child in years, does not mean they cannot be abused or taken advantage of. Think back to when you were 22-would do some those things now? Do you wish you had klnown better? Do you wish you had fallen for that crap some older person fed you? If not you are extremely fotrtunate. > > > Lori > > ~ - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:55:29 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC > Nancy > Reagan,(not kinky enough) too austere...like a nun I had in school. but that would be the height of kinkiness..... > Agree > with you on Bay Banshee....definitely should be gagged.(voice > grates....looks like her brother in drag. In fact, sometimes I think it is > him with a wig) > Bree, are you serious? Tied up, nuns, gags, now trannies....the hole gets deeper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:46:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonimitchell.com update! In a message dated 9/17/02 1:40:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amelio747@hotmail.com writes: > Here's the complete song lineup for Joni's new CD. Titled A Travelogue, it's > > due in stores on November 19. Here's what you can expect to hear: > It's funny, The Reprise site titles the album "Circle Game", but Feldman's site as well as Jonimitchell.com has it titled Travelogue. Go figure. http://www.repriserecords.com/releases.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:05:21 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Iraq NJC Jerry Notaro wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of colin > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:12 PM > To: jonis > Subject: Iraq NJC > > I am wondering why Iraq is considered such a threat to the USA and to > the rest of us. > > It is a small country with nothing much except oil. > > Now you're getting it! > > Can you spell Exxon??????? > > Jerry Today on the radio program Democracy Now they were interviewing some Senator, (missed his name) who said, among other things, that Bush was offering China and Russia a piece of the oil booty in Iraq if they would help with the attack. Every president up until Clinton has signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. And of course, Bush has not signed it either. Yes, I can spell Exxon... I....R....A....Q RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:09:59 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC Re Monica: > And she was 21!! Big difference!! No, she was 22. There are "ton(ne)s" of sources that prove that. But really ... WHO CARES???? : ) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:10:33 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: bashing njc dsk asked: > > What's the full name of Canada? > > Canada, eh. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:17:09 -0400 From: vince Subject: Oops! NJC We have been having a lot of private emails getting sent to the JMDL lately, but for us old, old timers around here, we remember the poor, dear JMDLer who accidentally posted a passionate love letter to her boyfriend, who was not her husband - I felt so sorry for the great poster whose name, alas, I cannot remember, she left here in embarrassment - every other accidental post has been so tame since then. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:21:57 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Ponette and Children NJC n a message dated 16/09/2002 12:09:43 GMT Daylight Time, jpalisI@kssp.upd.edu.ph writes: << And my, what a very very sublime performance from a 4-year old actress. Thivisol who also appeared as the daughter of Juliette Binoche in CHOCOLAT and LES ENFANTS DU SIECLE, has this rarest of ability among children to break anyone's hearts with a quiver of her upper lip and when her eyes well with tears. I don't know how she was directed by Doillon because its as if the camera is like a voyeur to her subsequent actions. When she tearfully slides up and down the car's hood after being told by her father that her mother died has got to be the most heartbreaking scene that paralleled Fernanda Montenegro's last scene in CENTRO DO BRASIL.>> A sideline on this observation is that the film was heavily criticised in some quarters for precisely that reason: some found that the only answer to the question "how did he get such a performance from the little girl?" was that he must have made her sad, told her upsetting things, or something similar. I don't know if this is true, although I wouldn't discount the possibility. I do wonder if a child that young is capable of acting. This reminds me of the story about Bob Ezrin's tactics when producing Lou Reed's Berlin album, which, as anyone who's heard it can attest, contains some of the most harrowing music of the last few decades. On the song "The Kids", there suddenly appear out of the speakers children's screams, which made me look around the room, startled, when I first heard them. They are chilling. The rumour, which has taken on full-blown myth status, is that Ezrin told the children that their mother had died, in order to get the horrified reactions, which he recorded. I MUST STRESS THAT I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS IS ACTUALLY TRUE! Makes ya think, though. Azeem in London NP: Eddi Reader - Angels & Electricity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:40:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: war & sacrifice njc Kardine wrote "My son is in college and in ROTC. I have adjusted to the idea but worry all the time. He is my only child and I raised him alone. Last winter during the height of the terrorist war I was in Key West. I looked around at all the wealthy, arrogant people there who had not given up one thing for our common good. I thought about my father during WW2 and what he did and the country as a whole. Do I want my son in harm's way for these kind of people? No. There is more to sacrifice than buying plastic flags and going shopping for the economy." thank you for sharing this with us kardine- i also have a son, my only child (by birth), who i raised pretty much alone & i can hardly imagine how difficult this must be for you right now...my prayers & thoughts go out to you & your son, that he remain safe... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:03:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: bashing njc mags said "That said, Id like to mention this: Canada / Canadians were deeply hurt by the devastation on September 11th 2001. We still are. Today and every day . there were Canadians affected directly and indirectly. Anything that happens in the US of A is noticed by us, always has and I suspect, always will. Many Canadians were somewhat surprised (offended) when Mr. Bush did not acknowledge us in his address post Sept 11th (the one Tony Blair attended)." shameful & embarrassing for us... i don't know if this is true or just a joke (or maybe both) but i heard someone recently say that our current pres has been overseas fewer times than his vice pres has had heart attacks... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:06:30 -0400 From: vince Subject: Canada and Bush On September 9th, last Monday, Bush met the PM of Canada, Cretian (spelling) at the Ambassador Bridge in Detroit to discuss security issues, or more accurately, do a photo op because some new scanner stuff and security measures was installed, and millions of dollars in goods goes across that bridge daily. Bush said, this is not an exact quote but very close: "We do not want to make it hard for truck drivers to come into this country.. We want to make it hard for terrorists to come into this country." Hey, if we make it hard, and they still get through, is that like doing well on Survivor? Do they get to move on to the next round? Ok, that was nasty. I am so rebuked. But kidding aside, on Bush's behalf, he did not ignore Canada for the September 11th thing, as I am sure that the September 9th event at the bridge with the Canadian PM was a way of including Canada in toe occasion. There was much said by both sides about the importance of each nation to the other, and how much we value each other. It is the media that ignored Canada in the entirety of Bush's scheduled over that week, rather than Bush ignoring Canada, he gave Canada attention of 9-9. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:08:18 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: bashing njc << Debra asked: > What's the full name of Canada? >> That would be Roberta Joan Canada. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:24:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: rehersal njc vince wrote "And seeing the tape again will help. " yes it will definately help i agree! there was so much information in that interview! i am looking forward to seeing this again & sharing it with my husband, thanks to debra's generosity...debra i am so glad you had the thought of taping this! okay, debra, vince, those of you who saw this...how about the opening question when letterman asked clinton what he'd been doing, clinton talked about playing the sax a lot but he said something like i just sit in the room & blow...well the audience howled but clinton kept a straight face, i think dave laughed too...a funny moment that he walked right into... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:22:44 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #375 I was very moved by the messages I had about my post. I hate what is going on out there and I worry about my son even though he is in college now. By the way, he was brought up on Joni Mitchell as I have been a fan since 1968. He is 19 and loves and is involved with music and credits my good taste ie Joni Mitchell as a reason. He is going with his Urban ecology class on Thursday to NYC. He is going to meet with the architects for Ground Zero and other things such as where hawks nest in the city. We only live 99 miles from the Canadian border and both of us have strong roots with Canada. I feel like telling him to run if Bush doesn't stop and Cheney too. I am 54 and saw the heartbreak of Vietnam. By the way, it is refreshing to read such intelligent and interesting posts. I don't use the computer much because I had these ideas about the kind of people who use computers for chat etc. but all of you have changed my mind. I have been reading the posts for a long time and today decided to write something. Again, thanks for your support. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:33:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bush bashing and snide remarks - SJC --- Bree Mcdonough > > since Joni is > our Goddess....I do try > to take anything I post with this in mind. And I'm > sure Joni has slow days > too....and just might be reading this stuff? > Stranger things? > > What would she think? I think she would be laughing > her ass off mostly..... > > I think she would get a kick out of the blowhards on > the list.....the ones > that want to be all things to all people.....the > weird one...that really > doesn't belong...the mediator.....the fixer....the > sensible one...the > smart-ass.....the sweet.. true blue one.....the > incendiary one...THE ALL > JONI CONTENT ones......can't we just get along > ones.... the troubled one.... > > Hey - who you callin' blowhard weird doesn't-belong, mediator/fixer sensible smart-ass sweet true blue incendiary JC can't get along troubled? Are you trying to start something? or what? She could write a whole 'nother "People's Parties" about it. If we ever decide to adopt another name for the list, I'm nominating "The People's Party". I dunno, sounds kind of subversive & commy-like though, doesn't it? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:33:39 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: 12 straight hours of joni hey guys, i posted about this when i first heard the rumor, but it was in most of the ny season previews last week and it's up on the website. http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 of course, having lived through something like 72 brilliant hours of joni back in august, i'm a little jaded, but this should be fantastic, and very fun for the new york joninuts. patrick np - the orb - orbis terrarium [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: tied up by Rosalyn Carter NJC BREEEEEEEEEEEEE! You need to behave or get some girl! - --- Bree wrote: > I thought this would get you out here....I knew you were waiting in the > wings. And I thought HOW can I get her going....Hmmmmmm.. mention someone > being tied-up....she can't resist. I knew what you were doing. I said as much to another lister. After that last time, way back when I called you out, and you got hurt I figured I'd spare you this time. But yes, you know I couldn't resist too long. Bree said: I just never dreamed it would be me you > would want to see tied -up. I don't know what to say? blushing > Me again: Now I have 800 witnesses - I did not say that. There may be someone I want to tie up, but at this point I hadn't thought about you. Well I figured it must be against the conservative agenda! Then I said: > >... Well as we know there are just too many liberals on the JMDL to name > >here! > Bree said: > No surprize here!! Me: I did mean that tongue in cheek you know! Bree said: > I revealed my secret the other day on list....LD....Libby Dole.....she could > even be my president someday. She against Hillary....2008 > Then maybe you could contact Monica and get some advice! Afterall she planned on presidential knee pads before she ever got there. > (No love life to speak of, what do you expect?) > I expect obedience, until you can follow my rules, no more spankings verbal or otherwise! lol! Take care yourself young lady! Peace Susan Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #376 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)