From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #369 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 15 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 369 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town ["Mark or Travis" ] Today in History: September 15 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: September 15 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Ghostyhead njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Ghostyhead lyrics njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: letterman NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: "...they say I've changed" jc, actually [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Glee] RE: dry cleaner from des moines content [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup] War NJC [colin ] RE: from Christina [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup ] RE: Kissinger (was, Letterman), NJC ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Meaning of Yom Kipour, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Letterman, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Early Bonnie, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Letterman and Clinton NJC now Stones [vince ] Antonio Forcione, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: letterman NJC [vince ] Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #366 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re Letterman NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Jonie & Bonnie [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] over the line imho NJC [vince ] Re: Jonie & Bonnie ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC [dsk ] Washington Times, NJC [vince ] Re: Ghostyhead lyrics njc ["Mark or Travis" ] When All The Slaves Are Free [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS [dsk ] Re: Kissinger (was, Letterman), NJC ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Kissinger (was, Letterman), NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Re Letterman NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Meaning of Yom Kipour, NJC [vince ] Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: over the line imho NJC ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:07:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town > I was wondering wanted or would like to share their thoughts on the album > Ghostyhead. I know that Warner Brothers visciously yanked it from > circulation after they did absolutely nothing to either support it or give it > the exposure it deserved. I've always wanted to get my hands on an official > version and I was wondering if anyone knew if it was being re-released in the > future. I bought the mp3s from Rickie Lee's web site. Travis found a shareware program to convert them to wav files and I was able to burn them onto a cd. Sounds as good as a manufactured cd and it's not bootlegging because Rickie Lee is getting money for the mp3s. $.75 a track if I remember right. Remarkably cheap for what you get. I think Ghostyhead is brilliant. 'Roadkill' is one of the most chilling things I have ever heard. Rickie Lee lived in Tacoma for awhile & I wonder if 'Little Yellow Town' is about Tacoma. Not sure why. Just a hunch. 'Howard' is another song that just blows me away. 'Firewalker' is classic Rickie Lee and 'Matters' is another great song. I know some Rickie Lee Jones fans here on the list hate this record but personally I think it's great. Mark E. in Seattle (who used to talk Rickie down until he saw her perform live and & then he changed his handle on the Joni list from Mark in Seattle to Mark E. in Seattle 'cause Mark E's in love with Rickie Lee and my middle name is Edward.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:12:55 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 15 1979: Joni performed at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles, California. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:12:55 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 15 On September 15 the following item was published: 1979: "Mitchell sings: cheers and tears" - Oakland Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790915ot.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 04:22:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Ghostyhead njc in my never humble opinion, ghostyhead is pure GENIUS. i have the official release. it is SO scary, even the picture on the cover is kind of creepy. i've always wondered if the title is a word coined by rickie's daughter, who was very young when the cd came out. it sounds like a kid's word to me, and the song has a nursery rhyme thing. there used to be a web page www.ghostyhead.com where you could find the lyrics -- it's advertised on the cd --, but, alas, it is gone! wallyK, rickie's #1 fan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 04:27:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Ghostyhead lyrics njc by the way, i forgot to mention that i have the lyrics, so anyone who wants them, mail me and i'll send an attachment. wallyK, np: ghostyhead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:51:45 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: letterman NJC >Regarding Iraq, I'm going to wait until all the evidence is presented >before >I make up my mind. > >I've now seen the assertion written many times (not just here) that >Kissinger opposes action in Iraq. It is simply not true. I read >Kissinger's original piece in the Washington Post and he said nothing of >the >sort. Charles Krauthammer wrote an article along these lines....."it turns out that the disagreement among Republicans was less about going to Iraq than about going to the U.N. It was a vastly overblown disagreement....' Bree _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:51:24 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: "...they say I've changed" jc, actually Jim, I actually did sing "Dry Cleaner" at the Fest (but maybe you were out looking for a Danish flag..? ;-)) I guess, I didn't mention that in my post. I was so happy getting the chance to do this song with Chris Marshall and Les Ross who are both wonderful musicians! Thanks for explaining me the lyrics...they're great! And very funny, which again shows her sense of humour. I'm sure, I don't capture the humour (as well as the meaning) in a lot of Joni's songs, and I might get back to you later with other lyrics that "make no sense". Which (as said before) is one of the great things about this list... Christina, enjoying singing "Dry Cleaner" every day... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:00:11 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: RE: dry cleaner from des moines content Thank you, Patrick, I'm happy you enjoyed it! Stick around friday am (or thursday) next year, where I hopefully allready will be rehearsing new jazz songs with Les and Chris. I'm often thinking about the great times I had with you in NYC and I look forward to going back seeing all of you fun new yorkers!! Christina Citat patrick leader : > christina, i'm so glad you're posting. some of us newyorkers went to xunta > in the e'ville tonight for kay's birthday and i thought of you and henning > and chris and les and alison... > > there's something really notable about christine singing so well at jonifest > and later writing: "Until recently, I hadn't heard any of Joni's jazz > material which I >can't wait to learn to sing." on saturday am jonifest > weekend, i was lucky enough to be sitting in another room while les ross, > chris marshall and christina friis-nielsen first rehearsed 'dry-cleaner' it > was completely accomplished, and completely true to 'Joni's jazz material', > and one of my most treasurable moments of the weekend. > > patrick > > np - lou harrison - suite for violin, piano and small orchestra > Christina Friis-Nielsen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:10:33 +0100 From: colin Subject: War NJC If we think it is right to go to war, if we think it was right to attack Afghanistan, we also think it is right to kill children, women and men to fulfill our aims. No one is so stupid as to think war does not mean the killing of civilians. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:27:12 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: RE: from Christina WOW, thank you so much, Mary! I've been worrying about trying to imitate too closely, and I'm so happy that you find an original touch in there, as well. I'm glad you like the cd too. It was such a joy for me to record, which I just hope got through in the songs. > I especially look forward to seeing what Christina, Henning, and the band do > in the future with some of Joni's later, lesser-known stuff I have about five newly purchased cd's with Joni and I REALLY don't know which ones, I want to do the most (this not meant in an arrogant way!). I do know that some of them wouldn't fit me. Like I think that I'll leave Talk to Me to Bob, whose interpretation of it blew me away (though I didn't know the song)! Having a band play on a future cd will depend on the sales of the first one, but I'd definately like to do more of the newer songs as from Night Ride Home. We might try them as a duo rendering them more simplistic (don't know if it'll work, though..) > > "A good listener"?? *I'll* say!!! > My friend didn't think so... ;-D My best to you, Christina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:00:38 -0500 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Kissinger (was, Letterman), NJC Kakki: Thanks for providing the links to the Washington Times article. Unfortunately, the other two didn't work: the article in the Telegraph wasn't available, and the one from the New York Times--presumably, the correctly--wasn't available without purchase. I would still like to see the article I am most interested in reading: Kissinger's original piece in the Washington Post. I can then judge for myself the extent to which the NYT misrepresented his remarks--assuming I can find THAT article, as well! As for the Washington Times editorial: I read it, but frankly, take some of its assertions with with a grain of salt, just as those on the conservative side of the fence don't necessarily accept editorials from the NYT as Gospel truth. Both papers have their "slants," and that of the Washington Times is definitely to the right. I thought it was telling, however, that the article of which you provided a full-text version--presumably, the NYT's correction--summarized Kissinger's position as being that 1) although war with Iraq is justified, more diplomatic consultation and political preparation needs to be done first, and 2) an attack on Iraq should be geared toward eradicating weapons of mass destruction, NOT toward removing Saddam Hussein from power. Assuming that the summary is accurate, it would seem that Henry Kissinger *has,* indeed, broken rank in several significant ways from Bush administration policy. Mary P., who also likes to see credible evidence and provide it to back up my statements, and thoughts. P.S. I also don't know that the U.S. public needs an article from the NYT to "undermine support for the President's Iraq war aims," as the Washington Times submits was the former paper's goals. Based on the articles I have read and polls I have seen cited, the public seems quite capable of questioning the President's position on that position's own merits. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:49:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town NJC **I know some Rickie Lee Jones fans here on the list hate this record but personally I think it's great.** I'm with Mark on this one...I held off picking it up for a long time, then got it for CHEEP on E-Bay. I guess I'm just a sap for RLJ's voice, because I also think it's a great record. I'm sure it will never be re-released as it was panned so strongly, but I enjoy it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Parker-Burns Subject: Jonie & Bonnie (De lurking here) Just thought I'd add in a bit on the Bonnie-Joni thread... From the wonderful (but now out of print, I believe) book "Baby Let Me Follow You Down" by Eric Von Schmidt & Jim Rooney concerning the Cambridge, Mass. folk scene in the early 60's...there is a great interview with Bonnie Raitt about her time there..."By the time I was in the last two years of high school, I went to a Quaker school in Poughkeepsie, New York, and that's where I started to hear about the Club 47. I just couldn't wait. I was pklaying guitar, and I was a real folkie. It wasn't that I wanted to play music so much, it's just that I wanted to be around it. So I chose Radcliffe because of Cambridge and the Club 47 and went there in the fall of'67....Jack [Fertell] started taking me to the Club 47. The first person I saw there swas Spider John Koerner, who I fell in love with and since have never stopped being in love with. I saw Canned Heat. Jack wouldn't let me see Taj Majal becaouse he figured I'd jump the stage! I saw Joni Mitchell, wearing that little red satin, pleated mini-skirt with her hair rolled up. That was it!" I'm assuming that her comment of "That was it!" was perhaps the experience of seeing Joni clinched the singer/songwriter deal for her and led her down the path to becoming the great artist that Bonnie is. So from this point of view...thanks again Joni for inspiring another shining star. On other notes...is anyone here having a hard time getting on to the Joni.com site? For some reason I can no longer access the site. Any thoughts? Take care, Julian ===== Julian's Art Gallery can be seen at: http://community.webshots.com/user/julianparkerburns Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:50:20 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Meaning of Yom Kipour, NJC As Yom Kipour approaches (tonight) several people have wished me a happy holiday. So I wanted to clarify something which many are not aware of: Yom Kipour is not festive by any means. After the Jewish new year, 10 days before Yom Kipour, begins a period of introspection and soul searching. The culmination of this 10 day period on Yom Kipour is a day of self affliction (fasting, not supposed to shave or bathe or have sex, etc) and intense soul searching. We pray our creator to forgive our sins and let us live another year. Interestingly, the only sins which can be forgiven are the ones against G's will. Sins against fellow human beings can only be forgiven by the wronged party. So I hereby ask forgiveness to anybody I have offended in the past year. By the same token there's another concept in the Jewish religion which has been misinterpreted for a few milleniums: the "chosen people". Many wrongly believe Jews see themselves as superior or as being privileged in some way, and this has been one of the roots of antisemitism. Actually, the correct meaning of the term is that Jews have been chosen by G.. to fulfill the 613 commandments of the Torah, for the benefit of the entire mankind. In other words, they have the responsibility to follow the law to ensure order in this world, whereas non-Jews are not obligated. The key word is responsibility, not privilege. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:21:07 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Letterman, NJC > > There is one way, and only one way, that Bush can reduce terrorism in the > > world. By refraining from committing terrorist acts himself. Any other > > promise simply will not work. > Kakki answered: > We have refrained from military action against the terrorists for twenty > years. In addition, finally some brave people in the press and brave FBI > whistleblowers are revealing what many have known for years - that the > Oklahoma City bombing was connected to Hamas and Iraq and not to "people who > listen to right wing radio" as Clinton so despicably bullshitted us. The LA > Weekly, a very leftist newspaper, should win a Pultizer Prize for being the > first to finally reveal the truth about OKC in a series of articles that > have now been picked up by the mainstream media. > > Self defense of a nation is not a terrorist act. Military action is > horrible, it's frightening, it's a lot of bad un-peaceful things. But > collective suicide is not an option. Trying to understand the terrorists > and appease them has never worked. I've said this all before and feel > redundant. I hope that a miracle could occur and we would have peace and > not war. > Thank you Kakki for expressing this point of view. I agree 100%. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:24:56 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Early Bonnie, NJC "First time I saw Bonnie was at Universal in 75" I realized afterwards this may have sounded like Bonnie was playing such a big venue as early as 75. Not quite so. She was merely the afternoon performer in the attraction park. I stumbled on her by chance while visiting Universal Studios. No wonder this made me want to move to L.A. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:05:19 -0400 From: vince Subject: Letterman and Clinton NJC now Stones kakki wrote: > I just now heard it replayed on a news show. Dave said (laughing and in a > kidding tone) "you know, I think you may just still be President." Then Dave > said something about Clinton having a lot of practice knowing how to sound > like a president. Personally I took it as a friendly jab at old Clinton who > can't give up the attention and go away. > That is trying way so hard, making such a huge reach - why would Dave mean that when he ****invited **** Clinton to be his guest - and that Dave had refused to do the show on 9-11-02 until he got Clinton as a guest because he wanted to do something proper. Your interpretation would only work as a part of the monologue referring to something happening far away, not said directly to an invited guest. Dave was very impressed by Clinton and by Clinton's depth of knowledge and more, and that was also evident the next night on Dave's show. If you do not have tickets for the Stones, is it next week, in LA?, get them - I saw the show Friday night in Chicago, and the ultimate professionals are very, very into their music right now, and having a very good time, which all combined for one hell of a show! Wow!!!!! is all anyone said afterwards. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:10:19 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Antonio Forcione, NJC Azeem wrote in JMDL #306 (sorry it's late but I'm catching up on summer posts) > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > Subject: Re: Ed Harcourt NJC > > > I was there this evening, and it was a superb line-up: Lewis Taylor, who is a > stunning singer and songwriter (imagine a slightly nerdy looking white guy > from North London who just happens to sound like Marvin Gaye); Antonio > Forcione (from Italy), who is one of the best guitarists I've EVER seen, and > that includes Pat Metheny, Martin Taylor, Kevin Eubanks and Stanley Jordan > Azeem in sultry London > Hello Azeem, If you saw Kevin Eubanks (aka the man who plays faster than his shadow) and you feel this way about Antonio Forcione, then he must be really hot. There are 2 CDs of his on Amazon, but no audio samples. Are you familiar with those and could you please describe the music style and give any recommendations you see fit? Does he also play on other people's CDs which you'd recommend? Thanks in advance Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:09:15 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: letterman NJC Kakki, I have no idea what all Kissinger has been writing but he did write a piece very much in opposition that was in the Chicago Tribune in the last several weeks. Now Kissinger may be writing all kinds of things. Wouldn't surprise me. Vince kakki wrote: > I've now seen the assertion written many times (not just here) that > Kissinger opposes action in Iraq. It is simply not true. I read > Kissinger's original piece in the Washington Post and he said nothing of the > sort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:08:02 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town Actually, this was this first RLJ album I was exposed to and I enjoyed it thoroughly. MY 11th grade english teacher had a copy of it on tape which i borrowed. We both actually lent each other Joni Albums and music we both were fond of. I recall that I really liked the etherial sounding songs like "vessel of Light" and "Chinese B Movie" Blair > >I think Ghostyhead is brilliant. 'Roadkill' is one of the most chilling >things I have ever heard. Rickie Lee lived in Tacoma for awhile & I wonder >if 'Little Yellow Town' is about Tacoma. Not sure why. Just a hunch. >'Howard' is another song that just blows me away. 'Firewalker' is classic >Rickie Lee and 'Matters' is another great song. I know some Rickie Lee >Jones fans here on the list hate this record but personally I think it's >great. > >Mark E. in Seattle >(who used to talk Rickie down until he saw her perform live and & then he >changed his handle on the Joni list from Mark in Seattle to Mark E. in >Seattle 'cause Mark E's in love with Rickie Lee and my middle name is >Edward.) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:01:22 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #366 As far as DJRD album goes it's a bit scattered but has some great lyrics. Hejira is one of the best albums ever made and Joni's very best as far as poetry and music. her girlish voice was fine at the time but listening to it sounds like she is still a kid. Her albums started to change a lot with For the Roses. Her voice was already lower and more mature but with Hissing and Hejira she changed a lot as did her voice. I don't care for the 80's music she made or her perm but in the 90's she recaptured the things that made her great-good poetry and music. She dares to take chances that is why she was never bland like so many in the music world. She truly paved the way. I have listened to her since 1968 and seen her twice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:01:54 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re Letterman NJC >> The good news is that a president doesn't "rule" the country and is controlled by checks and balances from other branches of government.<< I hope you're right but it seems to be a case of steamrolling over any dissident voices (including other branches of government) rather than being kept in check by reasoned argument. >> In addition, finally some brave people in the press and brave FBI whistleblowers are revealing what many have known for years - that the Oklahoma City bombing was connected to Hamas and Iraq and not to "people who listen to right wing radio" as Clinton so despicably bullshitted us.<< I genuinely do not know what you're talking about here (my fault, not yours). Are you saying that McVeigh was executed by mistake? I'd like to read about the Hamas and Iraq connection to Oklahoma. >> Self defense of a nation is not a terrorist act.<< Not necessarily, no. But it could include terrorist acts. September 11 was not perpetrated by Afghanistan but the US bombing there didn't stop until the body count reached more than 3,000 victims, mainly civilians. This smacks to me of revenge rather than self-defence. >>We have refrained from military action against the terrorists for twenty years.<< Partly because those who are now defined as terrorists were then busy buying up US and UK armaments and were then treated as friends of the west. What has changed in the meantime to convert friends into terrorists? Not September 11, I think. mike in barcelona NP - Massive Attack - Blue Lines - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:10:25 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS I think that joni's use of 'fay' rather than 'fey' is either a typo or has no importance or both. I have always understood, and used 'fey' to mean lightweight, insubstantial, dilettante, as in joni's self-comparison with the real, solid, paid-his-dues blues singer of Furry. A modern synonym would be 'Lite', i.e. lacking flavour, cholesterol or alcohol. mike in bcnnp bebel gilberto. tanto tempo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:28:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Kissinger NJC The Times's Aug. 16 article was based in part on a syndicated opinion article published by Mr. Kissinger on Aug. 12 in The Washington Post and other newspapers. In it, he said that a war was justifiable. But he said that Mr. Bush must first do more diplomatic consultation and political preparation for military action, and that before ordering an attack the administration should try to force an inspection routine on Iraq. Most centrally, Mr. Kissinger said that removing Mr. Hussein from power -- Mr. Bush's justification for war -- was not an appropriate goal. He said an attack on Iraq should be directed toward a more limited aim, eradicating weapons of mass destruction. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company The New York Times August 16, 2002, Friday, Late Edition - Final http://www.nytimes.com Jerry np: Hissing Demos (A JMDL gem) vince wrote: > Kakki, I have no idea what all Kissinger has been writing but he did write a > piece very much in opposition that was in the Chicago Tribune in the last > several weeks. > > Now Kissinger may be writing all kinds of things. Wouldn't surprise me. > > Vince > > kakki wrote: > > > I've now seen the assertion written many times (not just here) that > > Kissinger opposes action in Iraq. It is simply not true. I read > > Kissinger's original piece in the Washington Post and he said nothing of the > > sort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:51:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonie & Bonnie Hi Julian! Great to hear from you bud! Thanks for sharing that Club 47 story, I hadn't seen that before. Look like Joni did push Bonnie off the fence, and I'm glad she did! I haven't had any problems with the sites, maybe you were trying to get there when Jim was updating it. He'll probably be busy for awhile; there seems to be a definite increase in the Joni action with her new project just over the horizon...which is a good thing. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Do It Again" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 00:46:40 -0400 From: vince Subject: over the line imho NJC > In addition, finally some brave people in the press and brave FBI > whistleblowers are revealing what many have known for years - that the > Oklahoma City bombing was connected to Hamas and Iraq and not to "people > who > listen to right wing radio" as Clinton so despicably bullshitted us.<< > and Mike responed: > > I genuinely do not know what you're talking about here (my fault, not > yours). Are you saying that McVeigh was executed by mistake? I'd like to > read about the Hamas and Iraq connection to Oklahoma. Mike, you are being way too charitable. The quote, "people who listen to right wing radio" is a fabricated quote, although Clinton did very rightly address the issue of people who were delving into hate. Kakki, I am appalled at your use of the phrase "despicably bullshitted" in regards to Clinton's response to the Oklahoma City bombing, and I can't find words for my reaction to your advocating what appears to be the latest in the ravings of the militia. There are those who say that September 11th was perpetrated by Israel. That is the level of sickness of claiming that 4-17-95 was perpetrated by anyone other than members of the right wing militia in this country. You might as well [fill in the verb] on the graves of those who died in Oklahoma City than to cheapen their deaths in this way, using them for an ideology. > and to: > > >> Self defense of a nation is not a terrorist act.<< Sound byte, and nothing more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:54:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Jonie & Bonnie > I'm assuming that her comment of "That was it!" was > perhaps the experience of seeing Joni clinched the > singer/songwriter deal for her and led her down the > path to becoming the great artist that Bonnie is. So > from this point of view...thanks again Joni for > inspiring another shining star. I seem to remember that Bonnie mentioned Joni after she had won a Grammy award or two back when her records finally started moving in large numbers. She made some comment that it was Joni's turn for a 'come back', saying that Joni deserved it. Anybody else remember this or know the specific quote or occasion I'm referring to? Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:57:17 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC kakki wrote: > > I just now heard it replayed on a news show. Dave said (laughing and in a > kidding tone) "you know, I think you may just still be President." Then Dave > said something about Clinton having a lot of practice knowing how to sound > like a president. I have this show on tape. In the middle of President Clinton's comments about the Middle East and terrorism, Dave said, "You know what I think? Clinton: What? Dave: I think you still may be the president. Clinton: Why? Dave: That's what it sounds like to me. Clinton: No, no, when you're president you learn to act like you know what you're talking about. It's a great skill and you don't lose it overnight. It sort of drifts away from you over the decades. Dave: Well, it's serving you quite well. Dave was smiling during this exchange and they and the audience laughed at Clinton's self-deprecating remark. I took Dave's comments as showing he was impressed with Clinton's knowledge and ability to clearly explain complex situations. > Personally I took it as a friendly jab at old Clinton who > can't give up the attention and go away. Your personal viewpoint is very clear in this snide remark. Clinton was the only guest other than singer Linda Thompson, and it's rare to have only one interview. My assumption is that Dave wanted it that way so he could have more than the usual time to talk to him. I really doubt that Clinton forced himself onto the show in some bid for attention. Considering how well Clinton has stayed out of the limelight since he's left office, your comment doesn't make much sense other than as your own personal jab. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 00:56:30 -0400 From: vince Subject: Washington Times, NJC "Mary E. Pitassi" wrote: > > As for the Washington Times editorial: I read it, but frankly, take some of > its assertions with with a grain of salt the Washington Times is > definitely to the right. The Washington Times is owned and operated by the Unification Church, the Rev Moon from Korea, as a part of their ministry in the United States. Moon founded the paper to be his voice, and it has been . Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:04:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Ghostyhead lyrics njc > by the way, i forgot to mention that i have the lyrics, so anyone who wants > them, mail me and i'll send an attachment. > wallyK, np: ghostyhead > > Here's the link to the menu for all of the lyrics to the songs on 'Ghostyhead' from RLJ's web site: http://www.rickieleejones.com/ghostyhead.htm Here is where you can purchase the 'Ghostyhead' mp3s. There are a bunch of other live sets you can purchase there as well. You need to scroll down a ways to get to 'Ghostyhead'. https://www39.securedweb.net/greatbigisland/www/greatbigisland92-33/mck-cgi/mp3list.cgi?search=rickie&coname=Rickie%20Lee%20Jones&pagename=1 Rickie Lee has a pretty decent web site at http://rickieleejones.com Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:13:58 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: When All The Slaves Are Free Any Canadians planning on attending, Stephen? If so, please send us your reviews Theatre Both Sides Now, The Circle Game and Big Yellow Taxi are a few of the classic songs that audiences will hear as part of a new musical revue celebrating the brilliant, wide-ranging work of Canadian singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. When All the Slaves are Free: The Words and Music of Joni Mitchell opens this week at the Great Canadian Theatre Co. After preview performances Tuesday and Wednesday, the show opens Thursday and continues to Sept. 29. The revue was created and directed by playwright Bryden Macdonald, who has created similar shows around the music of Leonard Cohen and Carole Pope. Three singers (Elizabeth Beeler, Susan Henley and Mary Kelly) will be accompanied by jazz piano, percussion and bass as they take audiences on a theatrical journey through Mitchell's more than three decades of work. The theatre is at 910 Gladstone Ave. Performances are Tuesdays to Saturdays at 8 p.m., with additional Saturday performances at 4 p.m. and Sunday performances at 2 p.m. Tickets are $26 for evening shows, $14 for matinees and for the preview performances Tuesday and Wednesday. The Sept. 15 matinee is pay-what-you-can. Tickets: 236-5196. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:46:53 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Mike Pritchard wrote: > > I think that joni's use of 'fay' rather than 'fey' is either a typo or > has no importance or both. I have always understood, and used 'fey' to > mean lightweight, insubstantial, dilettante, as in joni's self-comparison > with the real, solid, paid-his-dues blues singer of Furry. A modern > synonym would be 'Lite', i.e. lacking flavour, cholesterol or alcohol. That's close to what I thought for years, too. I enjoyed learning that Joni's intention may be more complex than that. After the many dissections here of Joni's lyrics, I can no longer think that any of her word choices are mere typos and unimportant, although there are a few such as "boo hoo" and "here kitty kitty" that seem so obvious it's hard to imagine ever finding any additional meanings for them (that's what I used to think about Joni's use of the word fay also). Anyway, I'm not saying that to argue but to express admiration for Joni's masterful use of words, and surprise that after all these years I can still learn from her. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:46:31 -0500 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: Re: Kissinger (was, Letterman), NJC Oops--sorry for the incomprehensible second line of the first paragraph in my earlier post this morning! That paragraph should have read: "Thanks for providing the links to the Washington Times article. Unfortunately, the other two didn't work: the article in the Telegraph wasn't available at all, and the one from the New York Times was only available for purchase. I would still like to see the article I am most interested in reading: Kissinger's original piece in the Washington Post. I can then judge for myself the extent to which the NYT misrepresented his remarks--assuming I can find THAT article, as well!" Thanks for your patience. I should know by now that I have a hard time *talking* at that time of the morning, much less typing! I hope that I have not included new mistakes. ;-) Take care, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:56:36 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Antonio Forcione, NJC In a message dated 15/09/2002 15:07:23 GMT Daylight Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: << If you saw Kevin Eubanks (aka the man who plays faster than his shadow) and you feel this way about Antonio Forcione, then he must be really hot. There are 2 CDs of his on Amazon, but no audio samples. Are you familiar with those and could you please describe the music style and give any recommendations you see fit? Does he also play on other people's CDs which you'd recommend? >> To be honest, the one time I saw Kevin Eubanks, I was underwhelmed. He was on a big wah wah tip at the time, apparently (unless he's always like that), and was fading his solos in gradually, using the foot pedal - so, effectively, you couldn't hear half of them. The first time I saw Antonio Forcione, the first comparison that came to mind was Stanley Jordan. This was because he can play in the same way, almost using the guitar as a keyboard (there's probably a better way of describing it, but those who know him will know what I mean). However, where Jordan is essentially a one-trick pony (admittedly it's a fabulous trick), Antonio can play in many other styles, including flamenco-flavoured virtuosity; slower, more impressionistic pieces; and pieces where he uses the whole body of the guitar, using very sensitive pick-ups. He's also very funny, and has appeared on telly with a comic called Boothby Graffoe, and live with another superb guitarist - whose name escapes me - where they have one number where they end up playing pat-a-cake and playing each other's guitars. So, he's pretty versatile! He made an album with a singer called Sabina Sciuba, which is lovely, and various under his own name. I dare say he has played with many other musicians, but I don't know about those collaborations. Azeem in London NP: Rosie Brown - By The Blue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:31:40 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Just a JMDL question, please help NJC Hi all, I know I should probably know the answer to this but like so many other obvious truths I'm a little fuzzy....... When I send a discussion topic out into cyberspace often people respond quite quickly, sometimes within minutes...how is this possible? I thought for a while they all go to the big discussion list in the sky where Les or one of his gnomes sorts them andcomplies the "list" for the day. Then once I came to my sense I realized the daily post has original topics along with their responses. I only receive the one mama posting a day....is there some other way to receive all the topics people post as they are posting them? (which is what seems like everyone else in jmdl-land is doing). Does any of this make any sense to anyone or are should I just go back to debating you're notches/your notches with Bob Murphy???? Thank you for your patience! Erica NP: Patriots vs. NY Jets (gooooooo pats!) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:06:00 -0400 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS I'm way behind on my digests. (There are four long ones waiting to be read.) But, in case no one else has mentioned this, I've always heard the line as "W.C. Handy, I'm rich and I'm famed." In the context of the larger lyric, it makes far more sense to me that Joni would write/sing this than write/sing "fey." Published lyrics, whether printed on album covers or in books, are notoriously untrustworthy. I've come to believe the artists don't supply the transcriptions themselves. Best, Boston Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 03:02:30 -0400 From: vince Subject: Letterman tape dsk NJC Debra, thank you for having the tape (I'd love a copy...) and for the transcribing of the exchange! My interpretation of Letterman's remark was the same as yours. It was reported in the Chicago papers and elsewhere, including NPR, the Dave was planning to only air old shows last week. Remembering Dave being the first to go back, at Guilliani's request, and the anguish on his first show back, he was not going to cheapen anything by doing the usual show and there was no way to "re-do" the show of 9-18-01. But CBS did want him do to a new show, and in Dave's own way, he chose an extended visit with a former president as a way of doing some real in-depth exploration of the issues that confront America on 9-11-02. Letterman has been very hard on Clinton through the years. It was my feeling that Dave was surprised about how much he was impressed by Clinton. And that was one of the most impressive presidential or former presidential interviews that I have ever seen. I'd love a tape of that show, and if anyone has one of the 9-18-01 show with Dan rather, as well. Letterman has refused to approve sale of the 9-18-01 show because he says that no one should profit off of that, But that was a historic show. Vince dsk wrote: > Dave said, "You know what I think? > Clinton: What? > Dave: I think you still may be the president. > Clinton: Why? > Dave: That's what it sounds like to me. > Clinton: No, no, when you're president you learn to act like you know > what you're talking about. It's a great skill and you don't lose it > overnight. It sort of drifts away from you over the decades. > Dave: Well, it's serving you quite well. > > Dave was smiling during this exchange and they and the audience laughed > at Clinton's self-deprecating remark. I took Dave's comments as showing > he was impressed with Clinton's knowledge and ability to clearly explain > complex situations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:54:04 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC Thanks for the transcription, Debra. I didn't see the show - just heard the clip from the other room last night. I'm so used to Dave's perennial ironic attitude towards his guests that I didn't hear him as neccesaarily wishing that Clinton was still president. As for my snide remark, I think one or two should be allowed here every now and then to balance out the constantly ongoing flows of ones against Bush, no? Nothing personal. Kakki > > Personally I took it as a friendly jab at old Clinton who > > can't give up the attention and go away. > > Your personal viewpoint is very clear in this snide remark. Clinton was > the only guest other than singer Linda Thompson, and it's rare to have > only one interview. My assumption is that Dave wanted it that way so he > could have more than the usual time to talk to him. I really doubt that > Clinton forced himself onto the show in some bid for attention. > Considering how well Clinton has stayed out of the limelight since he's > left office, your comment doesn't make much sense other than as your own > personal jab. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:59:18 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Kissinger (was, Letterman), NJC Mary, I'm sorry some of the links didn't work. I've sent Mary the full text of Kissinger's original editorial offlist because it is too long to put on the list. If anyone wants it sent to them privately, please let me know. > As for the Washington Times editorial: I read it, but frankly, take some of > its assertions with with a grain of salt, just as those on the conservative > side of the fence don't necessarily accept editorials from the NYT as Gospel > truth. Both papers have their "slants," and that of the Washington Times is > definitely to the right. I don't know much about the Wash. Times. I know this was a slanted article and did not mean it to prove that the NY Times was wrong but to show that several newspapers called them on it. At the end of my post last night I included the full text of the NY Times' corrrection. Did you read it? Thanks to Jerry for repeating it again. > I thought it was telling, however, that the article of which you provided a > full-text version--presumably, the NYT's correction--summarized Kissinger's > position as being that 1) although war with Iraq is justified, more diplomatic > consultation and political preparation needs to be done first, and 2) an > attack on Iraq should be geared toward eradicating weapons of mass > destruction, NOT toward removing Saddam Hussein from power. Assuming that the > summary is accurate, it would seem that Henry Kissinger *has,* indeed, broken > rank in several significant ways from Bush administration policy. My original point was not that Kissinger may dissent with Bush's policy but rather to refute the statements I have seen on the list and elsewhere that Kissinger "opposes a war on Iraq." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:03:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Re Letterman NJC Mike wrote: > I genuinely do not know what you're talking about here (my fault, not > yours). Are you saying that McVeigh was executed by mistake? I'd like to > read about the Hamas and Iraq connection to Oklahoma. I have no idea if McVeigh was executed by mistake. I assume he was involved in the bombing. He wasn't the only one involved according to several people in law enforcement. Here are the links to the LA Weekly series of articles. (At least with these no one can say that I am providing links to a far right paper owned by Rev. Moon. ;-) http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/33/news-crogan.php http://www.laweekly.com/ink/01/45/9-11-crogan.php http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/35/news-crogan.php Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 03:31:57 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Meaning of Yom Kipour, NJC Laurent Olszer wrote: > By the same token there's another concept in the Jewish religion which has been > misinterpreted for a few milleniums: the "chosen people". Many wrongly believe > Jews see themselves as superior or as being privileged in some way, and this > has been one of the roots of antisemitism. I totally agree on that misconception being a main player in anti-Semitism, and I for one deeply appreciate your raising the issue. To be chosen, to be called, is never to exalt someone over someone else. The call is be a servant of others, often a suffering servant, as in Isaiah chapters 40-55. Bonhoeffer phrased it, when God calls someone, God calls that person to come and die. Israel (the people) has suffered greatly for being the people through whom we know God. Laurent, thank you again for your words. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:44:47 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I've just listened to it again, in the light of all the discussion and interesting views that have been offered on the list. My general take on this album has long been that it's the last truly great record that Joni made; and that I still didn't know it as well as many of her other ones. Generally, what sticks out for me is that this is her acoustic guitar album - she's playing very strongly driving rhythm guitar, with the principle difference from Hejira being that on that album she was playing exclusively electric guitar. Playing in that kind of style but on acoustic gives a very different feel, which I like a lot. I know that a few people have mentioned the similarity between Talk To Me and the title song and Certain Other Songs by Joni, and I concur: the former sounds like a hybrid of Coyote and In France They Kiss On Mainstreet, and seems like the weakest song on the record (I'm not crazy about Off Night Backstreet either); while the latter is also very reminiscent of Coyote, though it's still a pretty good song. I love side three of the record: I think Tenth World is fabulous, and can't keep still when listening to it. I don't understand why it doesn't segue seamlessly into Dreamland, though. Paprika Plains is simply magnificent, a true one-off in the canon of popular music - I mean, is there anything similar, anywhere?? And she saves the best to last: The Silky Veils Of Ardor is one of her very greatest songs, haunting, simple and profound. Overall, it's right up there. If I had to choose an album to fit that "Terrible Albums By Great Artists", I'd have to pass with Joni, and not just because I love her; I love David Bowie, Richard Thompson, Bonnie Raitt and Bob Dylan, for example, but each of them have indeed produced "dogs": Never Let Me Down, Mirror Blue, Nine Lives and, well, take your pick. Joni's nearest would be WTRF, but even that has one stone classic on it, and is at least listenable. Azeem in London NP: Was (Not Was) - What Up Dog? Isn't "Anything Can Happen" a wonderful song?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:15:58 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: over the line imho NJC Geez, I missed this one. Vince, I've sent the links to the series of articles from the LA Weekly which is and always has been a far LEFT newspaper. Their investigative work has been followed up by mainstream press. I did hear either Bill or Hillary Clinton make the remarks about "people who listen to right-wing radio." If so-called right-wing militia were solely responsible, so be it. However, there have been numerous witnesses, people in law enforcement and others who have said for years that the connection to middle east terrorists have been covered up, shelved or ignored in the investigation of OKC. FBI whistleblowers have also come forward in the past few months in this regard. If this is true, yes it is despicable that it was covered up. Kakki > Mike, you are being way too charitable. The quote, "people who listen to > right wing radio" is a fabricated quote, although Clinton did very rightly > address the issue of people who were delving into hate. Kakki, I am > appalled at your use of the phrase "despicably bullshitted" in regards to > Clinton's response to the Oklahoma City bombing, and I can't find words for > my reaction to your advocating what appears to be the latest in the ravings > of the militia. > > There are those who say that September 11th was perpetrated by Israel. > That is the level of sickness of claiming that 4-17-95 was perpetrated by > anyone other than members of the right wing militia in this country. You > might as well [fill in the verb] on the graves of those who died in > Oklahoma City than to cheapen their deaths in this way, using them for an > ideology. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #369 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)