From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #368 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 15 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 368 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Betsy NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC ["kakki" ] Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town [Lazyasz@aol.com] Re: letterman NJC ["kakki" ] DJRD - Get It!! [Lazyasz@aol.com] Re: letterman NJC ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:05:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Betsy NJC **Mr. Scott, you are dismissed. Back to lurkdom. You better not, buddy!! I've thoroughly enjoyed seeing your posting frequency increase. If my response seemed curt, it's only because my sister and brother-in-law and their kids are visiting and my computer time is minimal. I'm sorry if I came off that way, Mark. Bob NP: B-52's, "Rock Lobster" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:37:32 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Letterman and Clinton NJC I just now heard it replayed on a news show. Dave said (laughing and in a kidding tone) "you know, I think you may just still be President." Then Dave said something about Clinton having a lot of practice knowing how to sound like a president. Personally I took it as a friendly jab at old Clinton who can't give up the attention and go away. > I am surprised that no one had picked up on Letterman's comment to Clinton, > toward the end of the show, to the effect of, and I am paraphrasing, "and I > think you are still our president." Anyone remember exactly remember what > Dave said? > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:25:38 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town I was wondering wanted or would like to share their thoughts on the album Ghostyhead. I know that Warner Brothers visciously yanked it from circulation after they did absolutely nothing to either support it or give it the exposure it deserved. I've always wanted to get my hands on an official version and I was wondering if anyone knew if it was being re-released in the future. Also I suggest that everyone go here: http://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/ram_wrap.cgi?/mb/mb001006Rickie_Lee_Jones and hear an acoustic version of the Ghostyhead track "Little Yellow Town" which continues to blow my mind after every play. It's the first track in the stream. Peace & Deeper Understanding, Damien ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:49:39 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: letterman NJC Regarding Iraq, I'm going to wait until all the evidence is presented before I make up my mind. I've now seen the assertion written many times (not just here) that Kissinger opposes action in Iraq. It is simply not true. I read Kissinger's original piece in the Washington Post and he said nothing of the sort. The New York Times grossly misinterpreted what he said and then everyone ran with the falsehood. Kissinger disputed it as did several other newspapers - to the point that the New York Times had to issue a correction. Here are links to the story plus the correction from the New York Times in full (because most people are not subscribers). I don't expect anyone to read through it but you know me - like to see evidence and like to provide it to back up my statements at times ;-) http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020819-54487003.htm http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2002/08/2 6/do2601.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2002/08/26/ixopinion.html http://query.nytimes.com/search/abstract?res=F70F16FB3D5A0C778CDDA00894DA404 482 FOREIGN DESK | September 4, 2002, Wednesday Editors' Note; Editors' Note (NYT) Editors' Note 338 words Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 2, Column 3 LEAD PARAGRAPH - A front-page article on Aug. 16 and one on Aug. 17 reported on divisions among Republicans over President Bush's high-profile planning for a possible war with Iraq. The articles cited comments by former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger and by Brent Scowcroft, the first President Bush's national security adviser, among others. The Aug. 16 article described Mr. Kissinger's expressed concerns about the need for building an international coalition before waging war and his doubts about the Bush administration's plan to make ''regime change'' the center pole of its policy. But it should have made a clearer distinction between his views and those of Mr. Scowcroft and other Republicans with more categorical objections to a military attack. The second article listed Mr. Kissinger incorrectly among Republicans who were warning outright against a war. Republicans are in fact divided, both over the way Mr. Bush is preparing for the possibility of war and over whether the United States should attack Iraq. Mr. Scowcroft wrote in a recent opinion article that he opposes an attack because it could undermine or destroy a global antiterror campaign and might also set off attacks by Iraq against Israel or lead to a wider regional war. The Times's Aug. 16 article was based in part on a syndicated opinion article published by Mr. Kissinger on Aug. 12 in The Washington Post and other newspapers. In it, he said that a war was justifiable. But he said that Mr. Bush must first do more diplomatic consultation and political preparation for military action, and that before ordering an attack the administration should try to force an inspection routine on Iraq. Most centrally, Mr. Kissinger said that removing Mr. Hussein from power - Mr. Bush's justification for war - was not an appropriate goal. He said an attack on Iraq should be directed toward a more limited aim, eradicating weapons of mass destruction. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:38:29 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: DJRD - Get It!! Up there with THOSL and FTR as my favorite Jonis. I've always pictured Paprika Plains as a filmic piece directed by Stanley Kubrick which traces the history of the American West throught the last few couple hundred years since the beginning of the occupation. But anyways, if anyone is reading these words and has not yet purchased DJRD, don't think, just buy... Peace & Deeper Understanding, Damien ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:24:25 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: letterman NJC Mike wrote: >How many people can raise their hand and say "I truly believe that my > President/Prime Minister/Political Leader is an honest, courageous good > person"? I cannot; neither in my home country or my adopted country. But when has everyone ever been able to say that unanimously about a political leader? I cannot think of any in my lifetime that I could say were 100% perfect and had my total undying allegiance, respect, love and trust. That person does not exist and if one day most of the world think they have found that person it will probably be the proverbial "antichrist." >To see Bush in the White House makes me weep with frustration about such a > 'nothing' being the hope and aspiration of a great nation. Acting like a > gangster in a B-movie and ignoring all voices of reason and argument. We never get the best of our country in top positions of leadership. It has always frustrated me but after awhile one gets inured to it. The good news is that a president doesn't "rule" the country and is controlled by checks and balances from other branches of government. >If he believes he can prevent terrorists from attacking the USA he is a fool: if he > promises this to the American people he is a liar and a fool. Nobody > (government or individual) will ever be able to stop a person with a > weapon and the will to kill. It cannot be done. I wish it could, but > let's be realistic. Of course not, but Americans have been being murdered by these terrorists for twenty years now. In the past ten years the attacks have ratcheted up occuring on our own soil. We have never taken any real action to stop them. > There is one way, and only one way, that Bush can reduce terrorism in the > world. By refraining from committing terrorist acts himself. Any other > promise simply will not work. We have refrained from military action against the terrorists for twenty years. In addition, finally some brave people in the press and brave FBI whistleblowers are revealing what many have known for years - that the Oklahoma City bombing was connected to Hamas and Iraq and not to "people who listen to right wing radio" as Clinton so despicably bullshitted us. The LA Weekly, a very leftist newspaper, should win a Pultizer Prize for being the first to finally reveal the truth about OKC in a series of articles that have now been picked up by the mainstream media. Self defense of a nation is not a terrorist act. Military action is horrible, it's frightening, it's a lot of bad un-peaceful things. But collective suicide is not an option. Trying to understand the terrorists and appease them has never worked. I've said this all before and feel redundant. I hope that a miracle could occur and we would have peace and not war. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #368 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)