From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #366 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 14 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 366 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- njc new addy ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Amy Ray's response to NY Times Queer as Folk article njc [Jenny Goods] Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? ["Lori in MD" ] Re: No War NJC ["Lori in MD" ] Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? [Deb Messling ] Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: DJRD- what does everyone think? [Gertus@aol.com] Re: njc new addy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] My Opinion about DJRD ["Blair Fraipont" ] "...they say I've changed" [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup ] David Baerwald & Joni ? [Lindsay Moon ] RE: dry cleaner from des moines content ["patrick leader" Subject: njc new addy they've must have discovered you are under cover... >I don't know if it's temporary or permanent, but I'm currently blocked from AOL at work, so for the time being if you need to get ahold of me you can use this one. Bob< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Amy Ray's response to NY Times Queer as Folk article njc Sharon - you shine the soapbox! Thank you for your story. I'm glad you found Amy's response as great as I did. I was a little incensed at David's article as were many folks in the folk biz. From what I heard, the Times subsequently only printed glowing reader correspondence in response to it. Frustrating. as an aside...I was once a doctoral student in Counseling Psychology too, years ago. Jenny "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote:Dear Jenny: This was an excellent article. Thank you so much for putting it up for us. Amy is correct in her statements. While I am not a musician in any sense of the word, I appreciate music and I know my music. And I was surprised at Hadju's comments concerning lesbian infiltration into the folkie scene and the resulting 'problems'. My doctoral advisor in counseling psychology also taught classes in women's studies. She was asked all the time if she was straight or a lesbian. She is straight but she told me she did not want to tell them because she thought the question was a punch in the face to lesbian women. She did not care whether others thought she was one of 'those' lesbians. For her, it was not about standing up and claiming her sexuality, which is what many people underneath it all, would claim to be the reason they would say they were straight. She gave this response because she did not want to give the questioner the satisfaction of an answer. She understood they had a ready made response in terms of how to treat her. I thought this was an amazing thing for her to do...and have always remembered her bravery. I use the term bravery because she certainly ran the risk of receiving the stigma which most of us recognize and are forced to confront within our society. Many people would be concerned if they were mistaken as gay or lesbian. And if they are straight would go about letting others know they had a partner of the opposite sex or whatever. I have never worried about being mistaken for being straight...even though I usually am despite the fact that I have a tattoo and use the work 'fuck'. LOL (this is a joke...please..no entreaties) People think I am straight because I have long hair, wear dresses, and have children. What is wrong with that picture? :) Oh let me off this soapbox.... Love and Peace...Sharon...who once again thanks Jenny. Yahoo! News - Today's headlines ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:07:10 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? > What does everyone think of DJRD?Does it compare > well to her earlier music? I consider DJRD to be a continuance of Hejira. I've loved the entire album, including The Tenth World, since its release. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:05:37 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS In a message dated Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: "much as I can't stand Bob Muller ;-( and all he stands for" What's with all this Bob versus Bob stuff? And what does Bob Muller stand for, anyway? Is he the AntiMurphy or something? More senseless comments from Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:08:33 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? I wrote: > I consider DJRD to be a continuance of Hejira. I meant "continuation." That's what happens when you hang out with lawyers. ; ) L. ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:26:29 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? Right about the lawyers and right about DJRD. LOL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:38:24 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: No War NJC Katherine and I are talking about coming back for the march. We plan to see some family as well. S Lori in MD wrote: October 26: March on Washington and JMDL minifest? Who's up for it?? > > Lori > > ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:27:21 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: No War NJC > Katherine and I are talking about coming back > for the march. We plan to see some family as well. Now I'm wondering what time the March will be ... I'm supposed to run with the AIDS Marathon group every Saturday at 9 am! (At least I'll already be downtown!) L. ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:31:10 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? I loved it on first hearing and I love it now. Joni's singing is superb on this record. She retains all the flexibility of her youthful voice, but she sounds so much more sophisticated. Lyrically and musically, DJRD is more colorful and varied than Hejira. Not that I've anything against Hejira. Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:33:17 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? Well, I was pleasently suprised with DJRD because I had heard really bad reviews about it. No it's still not my fave Joni album cos some of the tracks seem like she was runing out of ideas. 'Talk to me' and especially the title track are very remenicent of 'Coyote'. Like I think Bob said 'The Tenth World' is rather tedious and even though I like this version I prefer the MOI version of 'Jericho', but the other tracks I love so much. Some of her best work if you ask me. I really really love 'Otis And Marlena', 'Overture-Cotton Avenue' (what an intro) and of course her most mature folk song; 'The Silky Veils Of Ardor'. I always think that this one is most comparible with THOSL & TTT. Only Joni could have made this album. The album cover looks cool too. STEVE T. >From: "Sybil Skelton" >Reply-To: "Sybil Skelton" >To: Relayer211@aol.com, Joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:14:45 -0500 > >I'm going WAY out on a limb here - DJRD is the LAST Joni Mitchell album I >purchased. Like you, I loved Joni's early work and her girlish voice. I >noticed the subtle changes, and I was with her until DJRD. I must say I >agree with the critic from Q magazine - it's an awful album from a great >artist. And it caused me to stop listening. > >I'll be retiring to an undisclosed location now to enjoy martinis with Mr. >Cheney. > >Sybil > >> I have every Joni CD from Blue through Hejira.I don't want to listen >>to Joni's later music(80's through now)because though I love her >>high,pretty voice,I don't like her deeper voice.What does everyone think >>of DJRD?Does it compare well to her earlier music? > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:38:48 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS I've seen the word fey used cynically to describe women who are artsy-fartsy, a bit pretentious and calculatingly naive. In "Furry Sings the Blues, " I think Joni is actually poking fun at her own image. At 01:30 PM 9/13/02 -0400, you wrote: >I looked up "Fay" and it said, "fairy or elf. See fairy" and "Fey" said >"Otherworldly, magical, or fairy-like". >So they both seem to mean the same thing.....I'm not sure how that fits >into the song. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:08:11 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Erica wrote: > I looked up "Fay" and it said, "fairy or elf. See fairy" and "Fey" said > "Otherworldly, magical, or fairy-like". > So they both seem to mean the same thing.....I'm not sure how that fits into > the song. Maybe thru being "otherworldly" Joni can get such a "strong > impression" of W.C.'s hayday? I'm just shooting the dark here, but other > than that I have no idea... > Sorry to those who aren't fanatical about lyrical dissection. Don't ever be sorry about a lyric discussion! Even though we've discussed various lyrics more than once, usually someone comes up with a new angle. I've always thought/known the word "fey" (from reading older English books) to mean wild, or untamed. Kind of like "free-spirited" which I think fits the song, as well. Joni's saying she's rich, and doesn't conform to "normal" behaviour - she acts as her mood takes her. Hell - who LOVES lyrics discussions, and doesn't think we have nearly enough of them! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:37:48 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD- what does everyone think? In a message dated 13/09/02 21:30:40 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:22:45 -0400 > From: Relayer211@aol.com > Subject: DJRD-what does everyone think? > > I have every Joni CD from Blue through Hejira.I don't want to listen to > Joni's later music(80's through now)because though I love her high,pretty > voice,I don't like her deeper voice.What does everyone think of DJRD?Does it > compare well to her earlier music? > It's a fantastic, brilliant and original album you MUST buy. It's hard to compare it with earlier albums because Joni never seemed to do the same thing twice. She's always moving on and often losing people on the way but give this album a few plays and you will be rewarded! I'm prepared to compare it with some of her later albums and, in my opinion, it's much more exciting. The closest it gets to, I guess, is Shadows and Light. I was amazed by it, and still am. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:49:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc new addy < - it's an awful album from a great > artist. And it caused me to stop listening. > > Wow, I love the Don! Push those recline buttons down and dream on. It rocks, however I'm not crazy for Wild Things for the record. To each his own I guess. NP: Bruce Stockholm t, Sweden 1988 Brilliant Disguise I lubs my Bruce bud :0) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:53:39 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: My Opinion about DJRD I think Don Juan's Reckless Daughter has so many strong points. I feel that there is only one weak point and that you have this 16 minute Debussy-esque epic sticking out as Track 3. Eventhough the Silky Veils Of Ardour (one of my favorites) is a perfect album ender, the beautiful orchestral grandeur of Paprika Plains would be an even better album closer. Sometimes I listen to the album all the way through and feel that the songs following Paprika Plains are dwarfed in some ways. However, this does not mean, i feel they are less significant or do not stand up to any of her great songs written prior to this album. It is only that the length of the track and the sheer beauty of Paprika Plains is truly unique in its own right and deserved a better place on the album. Aside from that minor problem, the album has what some feel as filler, "The Tenth World" or songs that some have said, 'just don't cut it', "Otis and Marlena". If anything, I feel that this album has this connective thread about dreams. Everything from the amusing/odd cover to the sound of the music itself alludes to dreams of some sort in my mind. Whether Joni is dreaming/aspiring about future or past relationships, "Talk to ME" or "the Silky Veils of Ardour" or the slighty echo-y hauntingly beautiful bassline that Jaco plays in "Jericho", this album excites me every time i listen to it. Also, more obviously you have "Dreamland" and the title track whose lyricism is anything but repetition of anythign she had done before. These two songs remind me of how Dylan writes particularly not focusing so much on a catchy melody or a pop hook or good bridge, but as focusing on these paragraphs of flowing words that continuously spill into the listener's ear. WIth the Title track you imagine the desert and Indian Imagery (a very generic term, i realize this) and the strife they had come to terms with unfortunately by the local and national governments. This imagery and lyricism also appears in "paprika Plains" that adds to the albums cohesiveness. "Otis and Marlena" comes across as odd at first, describing "women giggling with cellulite" and a sudden turn to "and Muslims stick up Washington". WHat i find attractive about this song is her background vocals are recorded and were mixed to give a sort of light, yet eerrie quality. Also, i adore how it transitions into "The Tenth World" which itself is a trance like jaunt into another world of sound that doesnt frequent any other Joni album. SO, that is my say. Honestly, the first album i bought was "Turbulent INdigo" and i loved her voice. I felt it was unique and edgy in its own right. When I heard her earlier recordings, it took me a while to warm up to them. BUt I think her voice was still in good shape up until Mingus and the following tour. if you listen carefully to each album, you can hear her voice drop a tiny bit. I noticed this especially when I received certain bootlegs from Bob Muller. I could hear how her voice dropped slightly from early 72' to late 72' to a one-off show in 1973 (which sounded like the level of the Court and Spark voice) and then recordings from MIles of AIsles. ANd it is quite intriguing. I am sure other's here have noticed these minute details. Okay, thanks for reading. BLair NP: MIzz MItchell, "Blonde in the Bleachers" .What does everyone think of DJRD?Does it compare well to her earlier music? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:53:41 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: "...they say I've changed" Hi everybody! It's the middle of the night here in Denmark, my roommate just got home really drunk, and what have I been doing to kick back from a week of work? Listening to my newest Joni-cd's! Today I went to drink a beer with a friend. It was a sunny day and we were on the harbour of Copenhagen talking... In my bag was my newest Joni purchase, BSN, and on the stereo at home was DJRD that I'd just been offered by a friend... I'd like to believe that I'm a good listener, but this afternoon (as many others, lately) I was just aching to go home and listen to my new cd's! My story of discovering Joni wrapped up in short is this: About 1= years ago I was first introduced to Joni by a friend who suggested that I bought a cd with her and tried to learn some of her songs. I didn't really get into the music, though, until half a year later, where I, through a newspaper add, met Henning Olsen, a superbe guitarist who already played a broad repertoire of her songs. In the following two months I learned about 30 songs - I was totally caught up by it! Until JoniFest 2002, I only owned a few cd's of Joni's music. Before, when I went shopping for new ones, I thought to myself: "They can't all be good, so it'll be a case of chance if I pick the right one". How silly was I?! Until recently, I hadn't heard any of Joni's jazz material which I can't wait to learn to sing. Everyday, I'm simply stunned with the variety and beauty of her music all of which I think has quality in one aspect or another! Thank you for being there as my fellow Jonifreaks! Love, Christina P.S. Some Christoffer must have stolen my adress (the reminiscent of vet-school is about to dissappear..), but I can still use it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:55:56 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: from christina... Hi everybody! It's the middle of the night here in Denmark, my roommate just got home really drunk, and what have I been doing to kick back from a week of work? Listening to my newest Joni-cd's! Today I went to drink a beer with a friend. It was a sunny day and we were on the harbour of Copenhagen talking... In my bag was my newest Joni purchase, BSN, and on the stereo at home was DJRD that I'd just been offered by a friend... I'd like to believe that I'm a good listener, but this afternoon (as many others, lately) I was just aching to go home and listen to my new cd's! My story of discovering Joni wrapped up in short is this: About 1= years ago I was first introduced to Joni by a friend who suggested that I bought a cd with her and tried to learn some of her songs. I didn't really get into the music, though, until half a year later, where I, through a newspaper add, met Henning Olsen, a superbe guitarist who already played a broad repertoire of her songs. In the following two months I learned about 30 songs - I was totally caught up by it! Until JoniFest 2002, I only owned a few cd's of Joni's music. Before, when I went shopping for new ones, I thought to myself: "They can't all be good, so it'll be a case of chance if I pick the right one". How silly was I?! Until recently, I hadn't heard any of Joni's jazz material which I can't wait to learn to sing. Everyday, I'm simply stunned with the variety and beauty of her music all of which I think has quality in one aspect or another! Thank you for being there as my fellow Jonifreaks! Love, Christina P.S. Some Christoffer must have stolen my adress (the reminiscent of vet-school is about to dissappear..), but I can still use it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:34:52 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: David Baerwald & Joni ? David Baerwald ... isn't he the one whom Joni said had left W.B. Yeats's poem in her house saying he had been working for a long time trying to fit it to a song, and she picked it up and wrote the brilliant "Slouching Towards Bethlehem"? The poor guy never knew what hit him! I could be wrong about it ... just curious. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:14:00 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: dry cleaner from des moines content christina, i'm so glad you're posting. some of us newyorkers went to xunta in the e'ville tonight for kay's birthday and i thought of you and henning and chris and les and alison... there's something really notable about christine singing so well at jonifest and later writing: "Until recently, I hadn't heard any of Joni's jazz material which I >can't wait to learn to sing." on saturday am jonifest weekend, i was lucky enough to be sitting in another room while les ross, chris marshall and christina friis-nielsen first rehearsed 'dry-cleaner' it was completely accomplished, and completely true to 'Joni's jazz material', and one of my most treasurable moments of the weekend. patrick np - lou harrison - suite for violin, piano and small orchestra ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #366 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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