From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #365 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 365 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- fresh interpretations of Joni in the "PazFest" set ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(La] Re: 9-11 another way njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Today in History: September 13 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: My 9/11 [colin ] RE: the Bobs are killing me! NJC [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: 9-11 another way njc ["kakki" ] Ten Bob Note...other September songs with (njc) [Gordon Mackie ] Re: the Bobs are killing me! NJC [colin ] Re: Warren Zevon - njc ["Blair Fraipont" ] njc new addy [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Warren Zevon - njc [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: "PazFest", the 2 CD set, NJC at least for now [Jerry Notaro ] EARLY BONNIE RAITT, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: 9-11 another way njc [Mags N Brei ] Morgan Stanley "Rises Up" with Bruce njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] for Gordon Lightfoot fans update on his health NJC [Mags N Brei ] Amy Ray's response to NY Times Queer as Folk article njc [Jenny Goodspeed] Re: 9-11 another way njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Clinton NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: joni on bonnie and linda and bob and bob (NJC) ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: NJC Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: NJC Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS [colin ] Re: DJRD-what does everyone think?njc [colin ] Re: Letterman njc ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:59:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: fresh interpretations of Joni in the "PazFest" set "PazFest" is better known to many of us as the JoniFest in New Orleans in 2000. The days before and after May 28th, 2000 were a multi-day JMDL event that culminated in a fundraising concert by wonderfully talented musicians from Schenectady to New Orleans. They all chimed in to make some money for the Ruth Paz Foundation's work to provide burn relief to poor kids in San Pedro, Sula, Honduras. Luckily for us, their support involved a musical salute to Joni! The concert and JoniFest in New Orleans: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/jfno2000.cfm The Ruth Paz Foundation: http://www.honduras.com/ruthpaz/ You like chick singers? Check out Susan Cowsill. You want to hear a monster play a Greek hybrid of guitar and mandolin called a bouzouki? Check out Beth Patterson. You want a wildly inventive, rip-snorting, fun, and tasty spin on Joni? Check out the headliners, the Bryan Thomas Band. Those of us who were there will never, ever forget it. Those of us who weren't there have a chance to catch a whiff of the excitement. Now. "PazFest", a 2 CD set, is available by mail. Catch it while you can. If you live in the USA or Canada, the cost is $30 in US dollars. This includes shipping by Priority Mail. (Outside the US, the total is $35 US dollars, and includes shipping). But the real reason to donate is to help children with life-threatening burns who really need it. Write directly to the producer, Michael Paz, at michaelpazz@directvinternet.com Lama ps, I've been waiting for this for 2 years! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:12:17 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: 9-11 another way njc >From: Julius Raymond >Reply-To: Julius Raymond >To: vince , joni >Subject: Re: 9-11 another way njc >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:53:56 -0700 > > > boring and arrogant as ever, > > > > Vince > >Precious Vince. What's the antonym to boring? I need to know, 'cause >that's what you are. And if you're arrogant, it's the endearing >kind...like >Miles and Joni and Mingus...and MLK, Jr., come to think of it. God love >you >for it! I do. > >What I wouldn't do to have been in your congregation yesterday! All praise >to you on the occasion of your 25th year in service to the Spirit of the >Living God! Thought, word and deed... You've touched on the former and >the >latter...you will bless us with the text of your sermon, won't you? > >I'm so insuperably amused by your I-won't-ever-post-on-this-list that I can >barely stop crying to point out that you just did... you just posted on the >lot of them! Beautifully! Clearly, this list is in your blood like holy >wine...so bitter and so sweet, isn't it? > >With all my heart, thank you and congratulations, Vince. > >And finally, I can't speak to the efficacy of French poets and poetry, but >you simply must read the short stories of French fwriter Guy de Maupassant. >Trust me. Read the english translation of "To Whom Shall I Tell My >Sorrows." He feels just like you do. > >-Julius > > ---- Original Message ----- >From: "vince" >To: "joni" >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:39 PM >Subject: 9-11 another way njc > > > > > > 9-11, yesterday was the 25th anniversary of my ordination. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:17:31 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 13 1979: Joni performed at the Greek Theater in Berkeley, California. 1994: Larry Klein and Joni go out to a small club in the L.A. area that's generally utilized by acts trying to get a record contract. There she performed a short set for the surprised audience. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:54:51 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: My 9/11 Mark or Travis wrote: > Have to add my own story here though some of you may be tired of hearing it. The 11th doesn't seem to be a very auspicious time of the month for me. I lost my partner of 9 years, my beloved Edward on February 11, of 1993. There are hurts that never go away, that are not 'got over'. They become a part of you, and you learn to live with them. Hopefully, they help us be more tolerant, more compassionate, more understanding and more generally loving peaceful people. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:21:04 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: the Bobs are killing me! NJC In that case I can almost feel a next fest-feature in the making: the Edmund Fitzgerald singalong! But to answer your question: this is only an offshoot of the EF thread. Sort of an original thread stringing some old threads along for extra texture. Colin of course is the expert when it comes to mixing fibres. I bought a beauty of him. Undefinable colours... Oops, I think I've lost my thread, we were talking about a ship, weren't we? Or singing, or humming, or something... Lieve. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz [SMTP:michaelpazz@directvinternet.com] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:52 AM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; ReckersL@ebrd.com; Joni Digest Subject: Re: the Bobs are killing me! NJC Is this the Edmund Fitzgearls thread?? I use to do that song a long time ago and it is very easy. I am after all a Michigander. Paz P.S. The Bobs have ALWAYS killed me! >> At the next Jonifest, I'll ask >> Bob Muller to hum it for me, with a bit of luck he'll have >> it ringing in his >> head for the next few days then! > > Lieve, it would be my EXTREME pleasure to do this. I'm sure Victor already > knows it! > ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:31:56 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: 9-11 another way njc Vince, I'm happy for you that your ceremony was such a success. I loved your tale of the Edmund Fitz. Gordon Lightfoot was all I listened to at one time and his music indirectly brought me to knowing about Joni before she released the first album. When I was a young teenager, I used to go to the local library almost every night just to play Gordon's albums and sometimes check them out. I was blown away when I learned that he was a part of Joni's tribute in Toronto. As for the errant post last night I really didn't know what to make of it. When Mack said it was meant to be directed towards a Texas politician I figured there was some Bush-whacking going on offlist ;-) Yesterday was a long day and then a long night with a friend. Got to sleep way too late and had the weirdest dream about a male listmember posting about how another female listmember had dissed him horribly in a post. Wish I could but can't bring myself to mention the names but to protect the innocent I cant. In reality they are pretty good friends, I believe. It was funny but in a very Lynchian way! Time for sleep! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:06:55 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Ten Bob Note...other September songs with (njc) Hi All 9/11 is almost 10 shillings....in 'old' pre-decimal Brit money. 11th September, as we say here with the day followed by the month i.e. 11/9 is very important in Scottish history as it was the date when 5 million people decided to have their own parliament for the first time in 400 years. It is also my birthday ( how historical..sorry hysterical)....er that's it. Gordon PS A shilling was also refered to as a 'bob'....so watch out Mr Muller or we'll give you a new nickname. Don't you just love pointless email? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ten Bob Note...other September songs with (njc) --- Gordon Mackie wrote: > Hi All > > 9/11 is almost 10 shillings....in 'old' pre-decimal > Brit money. 11th > September, as we say here with the day followed by > the month i.e. > 11/9 is very important in Scottish history as it was > the date when 5 > million people decided to have their own parliament > for the first > time in 400 years. It is also my birthday ( how > historical..sorry > hysterical)....er that's it. H*A*P*P*Y [belated] B*I*R*T*H*D*A*Y! > PS A shilling was also refered to as a 'bob'....so > watch out Mr > Muller or we'll give you a new nickname. Don't you > just love > pointless email? I do - they're my facourite kind. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 9-11 another way njc Whaddya mean, you don't like cats???? I never find your posts boring. P.S. How about that Titanic, eh? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:19:41 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: the Bobs are killing me! NJC > when it comes to mixing fibres. I > bought a beauty of him. Undefinable colours... I am glad you like it. that is the thrill for me, other people having pleasure from what i have done. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:15:44 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Warren Zevon - njc That is really upsetting, for I love alot of his songs. He is very underated and not appreciated enough. Most people only recognize the Werevolves of London song. Boy are they missing out. I havent bought his last two albums, but I heard they were very good. Does anyone have any suggestions? Blair :) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:18:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: njc new addy I don't know if it's temporary or permanent, but I'm currently blocked from AOL at work, so for the time being if you need to get ahold of me you can use this one. 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My faves: Excitable Boy (of course) Warren Zevon (great original version of Poor, Poor Pitiful Me) Sentimental Hygiene (REM backing him up) Live LP - Stand In The Fire Bob NP: Wilco, "Say You Miss Me" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:31:21 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "PazFest", the 2 CD set, NJC at least for now Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Muller types: > > << And YES YES YES, Joni covers are 100% JC! :~) >> > > But the real great news is . . . your Joni in Fiction submissions are ALWAYS > JC. > > What's more, we have a very special gift for the lucky 1,000,000th visitor to > Joni in Fiction . . . a brand new Sunbeam coffee percolator! > > Love to all you wonderful people, > > --Bob I'm still waiting for my toaster oven for converting Muller! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:36:57 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Warren Zevon - njc Bob, Have you heard the live album from 1992 or 1993 called, Learning to Flinch? That was the first disc I bought and how i fell in love with his songwriting. It is only him on acoustic guitar, keyboard or piano and it is terrific. There is an extended version of "Roland the Thompson Gunner" which blows my socks off. Thanks for the suggestions. If i could find that earlier live album, I would buy it. Blair :) > >My faves: > >Excitable Boy (of course) >Warren Zevon (great original version of Poor, Poor Pitiful Me) >Sentimental Hygiene (REM backing him up) >Live LP - Stand In The Fire > >Bob > >NP: Wilco, "Say You Miss Me" > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:55:26 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: EARLY BONNIE RAITT, NJC First time I saw Bonnie live was 1975 (78?) at Universal Amphitheater (before it got enclosed, you know just like the cover of Miles of Aisles). I used to see her a lot during the "desert crossing" 80's era, when she was playing her guts out in front of 25 people and kicking ass. Now I'm so happy she made it but I really feel her best work is behind her. Starvation does bring out genius. Which brings me to this: I recently came across a bootleg of 2/72 (Sigma Studios Acoustic Sessions) which is mind-blowing, fantastic voice, almost Joni-like. The best Bonnie I ever heard and I got them all. Also just received a few days ago Washington Georgetown 73 w/Little Feat which I'll listen to this weekend. Trades anyone? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: 9-11 another way njc Here's what I see when I read your words Vince. I see passion, love, love for Gage, love for your work, your community (us included), I see anger, compassion, more passion and knowledge and feelings and I see you exercising your right to speak and write and express yourself. thanks for the reminder too, if anyone does not want to read a post fomr anyone here, may the scroll be with us all. (or the delete button). hope everyone is enjoying this glorious day. Mags. p.s. again, thanks for the Canadian content, much appreciated. :-) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:00:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Morgan Stanley "Rises Up" with Bruce njc I had sent this only to Muller, but I wanted to share this with you as well.... On 9/11/02, the CEO of Morgan Stanley (WTC's largest tenant) gave a copy of Bruce Springsteen's The Rising CD along with this memo to his employees who worked at the WTC. Ibve been asked many times over the past 12 months to talk about September 11, as Ibm sure you have. It has always been difficult to adequately express the range of thoughts and feelings I have about what we went through as a firm, as a city, and as a nation. Thatbs why I am so impressed with what Bruce Springsteen has done with his album bThe Rising.b In one way or another, the words of nearly every song ring true. They are some of the best expressions I have heard of the complex mix of anger, sorrow, pride and hope we have all experienced since that terrible day. And so I wanted to share them with each of you who worked for us in the World Trade Center. Respectfully, Philip J. Purcell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: for Gordon Lightfoot fans update on his health NJC I went to globeandmail.com and put his name in the 7 day search at the bottom of the main page and this is one of the updates on his condition that I found. There are more there for those interested. thanks for the bandwidth Mags. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Search Results for: gordon lightfoot Document No. 2 of 5 Lightfoot being treated for ruptured artery By GRAEME SMITH Tuesday, September 10, 2002  Print Edition, Page A12 Legendary singer Gordon Lightfoot suffered a ruptured artery in his abdomen, according to the director of the critical care unit where the musician is being treated. Dr. Andreas Freitag of the Hamilton Health Sciences Corp. said the performer has undergone a series of procedures and remains in intensive care. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:40:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: for Gordon Lightfoot fans update on his health NJC Oh Mags, thanks for the update. I hope he's going to be OK. Love Gordon. ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:35 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #362 - Clinton NJC YOu got that right...smarter than the shrub by any measure. And I value your haughtiness. :) Love and Peace....Sharon At one point during the interview, it > hit me: "Holy crap, this guy is six times smarter then George W. Bush." > Brings to mind Big Yellow Taxi, if you know what I mean. > > Bryan > Haughty by Nature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: No War NJC The following message appeared on the yoko ono mail list. Thought some of you might find it interesting. Tyler - ------------------------------------- Hi everyone, this is an out-of-topic but important message. Patti Smith just e-mailed me this info as her message for September 11th: .......... national march on washington dc STOP THE WAR ON IRAQ BEFORE IT STARTS sat. oct. 26th www.internationalanswer.org .......... Please feel free to forward this info to appropriate forums. *Sari Gurney* AIU: A Yoko Ono Box http://www.a-i-u.net/ Patti Smith News http://www.kaapeli.fi/aiu/ps/ Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Amy Ray's response to NY Times Queer as Folk article njc Since some folks mentioned David Hadju's article on lesbians and the folk music scene, I thought I'd post the link to Amy Ray's excellent response to the article: http://www.indigogirls.com/corresp/2002/2002-09-12.html Jenny Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:40:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: 9-11 another way njc Julius said it so well all I can do is chime in a big me too! I too wish I could have been in your congregation on 9/11 Vince as I know you slayed them! I'd love to read your sermon. I always love your posts. You have a gift & it makes me so happy to hear you so proud of your accomplishments. It is so refreshing to hear from someone like you who is so passionate about what they do & in the process helps so many. I think of my friend who is stuck in a rut of unhappiness because she says "I don't know what I really want to do with my life" instead of getting out there & doing SOMETHING...something good that makes the world a better place. Thank you Vince for doing your part to make this world a better place & for the love & passion & blessings you bring to our little jmdl world. >>What I wouldn't do to have been in your congregation yesterday! All praise to you on the occasion of your 25th year in service to the Spirit of the Living God! Thought, word and deed... You've touched on the former and the latter...you will bless us with the text of your sermon, won't you?<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Clinton NJC Six times smarter? Hell, I"M six times smarter than the shrub, and I spend about half my waking hours convinced I'm an idiot! Clinton is about FIFTY times smarter than that moron in the white house. Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:57:40 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #362 - Clinton NJC Stayed up to watch Letterman last night. Clinton was the guest & I watched Clinton on Letterman, too. At one point during the interview, it hit me: "Holy crap, this guy is six times smarter then George W. Bush." Brings to mind Big Yellow Taxi, if you know what I mean. Bryan Haughty by Nature Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:19:12 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: joni on bonnie and linda and bob and bob (NJC) Well, Jimmy, did you at least see the trailer for the new Harry Potter film they showed during "Family Affair"? My daughter and I taped the show just for the Harry Potter trailer. Sybil - big Harry Potter AND Tim Curry fan >xo >Jimmy, who is attempting to watch the *new* "Family Affair" with Tim Curry >as Mr. French. I'm waiting for him to belt out "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet >Fire" >LOL _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:25:37 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: No War NJC Thanks for the heads up, Tyler! From http://www.internationalanswer.org/campaigns/o26/o26endorse.html: "On Saturday, October 26, 2002 -- the first anniversary of the signing of the so-called Patriot Act -- anti-war, civil rights, labor, student and other forces are joining together to launch a massive international mobilization in opposition to a new war against the people of Iraq. Mass marches and rallies will be held in Washington DC and San Francisco in the U.S., and in many other countries." October 26: March on Washington and JMDL minifest? Who's up for it?? Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:30:59 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Much to Bob Murphy's dismay I'm draggin' this one out just a little bit more :) I looked up "Fay" and it said, "fairy or elf. See fairy" and "Fey" said "Otherworldly, magical, or fairy-like". So they both seem to mean the same thing.....I'm not sure how that fits into the song. Maybe thru being "otherworldly" Joni can get such a "strong impression" of W.C.'s hayday? I'm just shooting the dark here, but other than that I have no idea... Sorry to those who aren't fanatical about lyrical dissection. Erica Lori wrote: >Which is it?: >fay or fey >The only lyric I know of is from "Furry Sings The Blues": > "W.C. Handy I'm rich and I'm fay" >Anyone else have a suggestion? >Lori ~ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:33:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni on bonnie and linda and bob and bob (NJC) << Jimmy, who is attempting to watch the *new* "Family Affair" with Tim Curry as Mr. French. >> Holy Mrs. Beasley, Jimmy! I have been wondering all day why I have a craving an "Untidy Joseph," which was what the original Mr. French called Sloppy Joes. It's because you posted this yesterday! Have a great weekend, everybody. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:36:16 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Erica writes: << Much to Bob Murphy's dismay I'm draggin' this one out just a little bit more :) I looked up "Fay" and it said, "fairy or elf. See fairy" and "Fey" said "Otherworldly, magical, or fairy-like". >> I have no problem with that, Erica. It's the "your notches"/"you're notches" business that puts me right over the edge! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:09:39 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Amy Ray's response to NY Times Queer as Folk article njc Dear Jenny: This was an excellent article. Thank you so much for putting it up for us. Amy is correct in her statements. While I am not a musician in any sense of the word, I appreciate music and I know my music. And I was surprised at Hadju's comments concerning lesbian infiltration into the folkie scene and the resulting 'problems'. My doctoral advisor in counseling psychology also taught classes in women's studies. She was asked all the time if she was straight or a lesbian. She is straight but she told me she did not want to tell them because she thought the question was a punch in the face to lesbian women. She did not care whether others thought she was one of 'those' lesbians. For her, it was not about standing up and claiming her sexuality, which is what many people underneath it all, would claim to be the reason they would say they were straight. She gave this response because she did not want to give the questioner the satisfaction of an answer. She understood they had a ready made response in terms of how to treat her. I thought this was an amazing thing for her to do...and have always remembered her bravery. I use the term bravery because she certainly ran the risk of receiving the stigma which most of us recognize and are forced to confront within our society. Many people would be concerned if they were mistaken as gay or lesbian. And if they are straight would go about letting others know they had a partner of the opposite sex or whatever. I have never worried about being mistaken for being straight...even though I usually am despite the fact that I have a tattoo and use the work 'fuck'. LOL (this is a joke...please..no entreaties) People think I am straight because I have long hair, wear dresses, and have children. What is wrong with that picture? :) Oh let me off this soapbox.... Love and Peace...Sharon...who once again thanks Jenny. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:54:39 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Erica writes: << Sorry to those who aren't fanatical about lyrical dissection. >> Please don't let my problem with "notches" make you ever hesitate to discuss Joni lyrics, Erica. It's one of my favorite things to do here; it has brought new understanding and appreciation of many Joni lyrics to me. And as much as I can't stand Bob Muller ;-( and all he stands for, his may have been one of the best dissections of DITS. Or maybe it was "Electricity" which knocked me out. In any case, I know he doesn't save his e-mail (who does!) but if you can find those two lyrical dissections in the archives, you're in for a treat! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:59:04 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS -- Bob wrote: > It's the "your notches"/"you're notches" > business that puts me right over the edge! I thought it was "your nachos." ; ) ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:17:34 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS You are both close...It is you have nachos in your notches or is it notches in your nachos...which is always better than either in your crotches. Lori in MD wrote: I thought it was "your nachos." > > -- Bob wrote: > > > It's the "your notches"/"you're notches" > > business that puts me right over the edge! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS --- Lori in MD wrote: > -- Bob wrote: > > > It's the "your notches"/"you're notches" > > business that puts me right over the edge! > > I thought it was "your nachos." > > ; ) > That's right. The whole line is: "Your nachos, liver-ration doll." ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:05:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS <> I'm so confused...should I feel insulted or praised?!? :~) Erica, pay little or no attention to Beelze-Bob Murphy. The man has issues, most of which is that I GOT HIS GOAT so brilliantly this week! :~P Anyway, lyric discussions are ALWAYS my fave, it's why I signed on here in the first place. If I recall, Wally K. was the one who best cleared up the 'fey' discussion when last we had it. Bob NP: David Wilcox, "Guitar Shopping" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Notches on the bedposts of refinement? ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:17:29 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Letterman njc In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 6:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, sharonbuffington@attbi.com writes: > > Absolutely correct, Colin. And like Kate, seeing Clinton reminded me of > why I voted for him twice. His intellect and integrity are head and > shoulders above the Shrub's. So he had an affair and lied about it...I > would rather have that in the white house than someone who > lies to get > us into a war. It's been almost 2 years now sinse I spent the night at the White House and spent a few hours with President Clinton.God,I wish something that exciting and memorable comes again soon... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:22:45 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: DJRD-what does everyone think? I have every Joni CD from Blue through Hejira.I don't want to listen to Joni's later music(80's through now)because though I love her high,pretty voice,I don't like her deeper voice.What does everyone think of DJRD?Does it compare well to her earlier music? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:28:21 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: [none] Hey everyone! I'm sure Q magazine isn't everybody's favourate at the moment considering what was said about 'DJRD'. You can get your own back though and vote for your all time best album! Go to: www.q4music.com If anyone's interested here is what I voted for:- 1. 'The Hissing Of Summer Lawns' Joni Mitchell 2. 'Blue' Joni Mitchell 3. 'Boys For Pele' Tori Amos 4. 'Miles Of Aisles' Joni Mitchell 5. 'Hejira' Joni Mitchell 6. 'The First Songs' Laura Nyro 7. 'Little Earthquakes' Tori Amos 8. 'Lionheart' Kate Bush 9. 'Bringing It All Back Home' Bob Dylan 10. 'Fantasy' Carole King I'm sure alot of people will have different thoughts. I'm sure it will slightly alter over the years but this is what I think so far. Joni albums will always be in my top 10 though. Bye STEVE _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:47:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS The nice Bob wrote: > pay little or no attention to Beelze-Bob Murphy. The man has issues, > most of which is that I GOT HIS GOAT so brilliantly this week! :~P > .........and you managed to *get my sheep* the week before you slut. Stop wearing those kilts. :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:14:45 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? I'm going WAY out on a limb here - DJRD is the LAST Joni Mitchell album I purchased. Like you, I loved Joni's early work and her girlish voice. I noticed the subtle changes, and I was with her until DJRD. I must say I agree with the critic from Q magazine - it's an awful album from a great artist. And it caused me to stop listening. I'll be retiring to an undisclosed location now to enjoy martinis with Mr. Cheney. Sybil > I have every Joni CD from Blue through Hejira.I don't want to listen to >Joni's later music(80's through now)because though I love her high,pretty >voice,I don't like her deeper voice.What does everyone think of DJRD?Does >it compare well to her earlier music? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:35:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? <> Wow! Just in case somebody's keeping score, I better state that I think it's a brilliant collection, and if there was any doubt that Joni is a "composer" and not merely a "songwriter" it vanishes with this effort. Way ahead of it's time in 1977 and probably still is. Enjoy your martini Sybil, and you still ROCK in my book! I'm at the part of the "S&L" biography that discusses this period, and I learned that the "dream sequence" in Paprika Plains was in reference to an actual dream that Joni had when she was on Dylan's Rolling Thunder Revue. (In case some of you don't know, there are 'bonus lyrics' that are not sung on the track but are listed on the jacket.) I'd listen to it right now, but I seem to have mis-placed my copy. Has anyone seen it? ;~) Bob NP: Lucinda, "Joy", 3/13/01 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:55:48 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? Dear Sybil: Personally, I liked her early albums...but I also love her woman voice in BSN. Blame it on the smokes...whatever...it is settling... Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:45:17 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? Since the lovely Bob Muller so graciously said to me: "Way ahead of its time in 1977 and probably still is. Enjoy your martini Sybil, and you still ROCK in my book!" I will try to open my pea brain just a little. When I get home I will pull out my pristine vinyl copy of DJRD and give it another listen. If I still don't love it, maybe the martini will help. I'll keep ya posted. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:06:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think? I'm anxious to hear what you think, Syb... And DJRD is not without its flaws, when it came out I bought the LP and when I put it on tape to play in the car I deleted Tenth World, which still bores me to no end. Musically I did not care for Otis & Marlena/Off-Night Backstreet at first, but I always liked the lyrics and have grown to love them musically as well. And I still liked Bob S's question wondering where she would have gone post-DJRD if Mingus had not beckoned? There was so much of a 'World Music' /cross-cultural influence on this one, I wonder if that's where she was headed before Mingus & Klein pointed her in other directions, not that she would ever admit that... Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Wow, Hillary could have made that statement, too... ; ) Clinton may be a million times smarter than Shrub, but he did plenty of damage while in the White House. Posing as a liberal, he did things the Republicans only dreamed about. Maybe that's why they hated him so much. He DID launch undeclared wars in Columbia and Eastern Europe. He carried on a sustained bombing campaign on Iraq, which continues today. He threw millions of poor off public assistance, tripled the drug war, tripled wire taps of citizens, and (along with Congress) shoveled billions to the military. He revived the Star Wars program, and was just as much a corporate lapdog as anybody. Even consorted with the Chinese in shady White House meetings. Other than sheparding a good economic era, I'm at a loss as to why he is perceived as some kind of a cool guy or even a good president. Like Brett Butler said, Clinton's the guy at the bar who you know is totally lying to you, buy you go home with him anyway. I voted for Clinton first time around, but felt betrayed by his actions. At least with Bush, you know what you're getting. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:26:29 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Lori in MD wrote: > Bob in SC, on -- Bob: > > > I GOT HIS GOAT so brilliantly this week! :~P > > You two are goat dancing now? isn't it amazing how we interpret things differently. I assumed from this comment they were both goat f***ers..... > > > L. > > ~ - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:21:07 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Erica Trudelle wrote: > > I looked up "Fay" and it said, "fairy or elf. See fairy" and "Fey" said > "Otherworldly, magical, or fairy-like". > So they both seem to mean the same thing.....I'm not sure how that fits into > the song. Maybe thru being "otherworldly" Joni can get such a "strong > impression" of W.C.'s hayday? I'm just shooting the dark here, but other > than that I have no idea... Hi Erica, There was quite a long discussion about the word "fay" and I've been trying to remember when it was so you could easily look it up in the archives. I really can't place it, though. There have also been at least two extended discussions about "nachos", "notches", "not just". Again I suggest you search the archives. Perhaps someone could narrow down the dates for you. Anyway, the most surprising thing I remember in the "fay" "fey" discussion is Brenda (I think) saying that fay is a word for white people, so Joni saying "I'm rich and I'm fay", yep, she is, and since she's white she didn't have the familiarity and strong connection to Handy's music that other people may have had as part of their culture. I'd always thought it was a typo in the printed lyrics and that she meant "fey", as in imaginative and not solidly grounded. I think her use of that word plays upon the double meaning. Brilliance again. > Sorry to those who aren't fanatical about lyrical dissection. There have been many fanatical lyrical dissections, and to me they're some of the most fascinating discussions because they usually end up showing Joni's genius, once again, and everyone's view shows a bit of themselves, too. Stay around long enough and you or someone will ask about something no one's pondered yet, and all the "ah has" will start anew (which is more involving and interesting than reading the archives, but for now I hope they answer some of your questions). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:29:51 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: DJRD-what does everyone think?njc > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity isn't it good to know they think of the dead and suchlike too..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:24:21 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Letterman njc Thanks Randy, I could add endlessly to the list you started but if people don't recognize it by now, there hardly seems to be a point. The very first time I ever saw him on TV I had a strong visceral reaction that he was a total sociopathic and manipulative liar. My reaction did not come from some kind of inherent revulsion or born and bred opposition to Democrats, because most of my extended family including my mother and the majority of my friends are Democrats. It came from my own instinct, intuition and a few unfortuntate personal experiences with sociopathic liars in my life. Some of my closest friends voted for him twice (even going so far as to paper my front door with campaign stickers the first time!) By the end of his last term those same friends, who were far left, had switched party affiliation to Republican or Libertarian and are now fervently campaigning for the other side. Kakki > Clinton may be a million times smarter than Shrub, but he did plenty > of damage while in the White House. Posing as a liberal, he did things > the Republicans only dreamed about. Maybe that's why they hated him > so much. He DID launch undeclared wars in Columbia and Eastern > Europe. He carried on a sustained bombing campaign on Iraq, > which continues today. He threw millions of poor off public > assistance, tripled the drug war, tripled wire taps of citizens, > and (along with Congress) shoveled billions to the military. He > revived the Star Wars program, and was just as much a corporate > lapdog as anybody. Even consorted with the Chinese in shady > White House meetings. Other than sheparding a good economic > era, I'm at a loss as to why he is perceived as some kind of a cool > guy or even a good president. > Like Brett Butler said, Clinton's the guy at the bar who you know > is totally lying to you, buy you go home with him anyway. > I voted for Clinton first time around, but felt betrayed by his actions. > At least with Bush, you know what you're getting. > RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #365 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)