From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #360 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 360 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: September 11 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: ti njc a question? [colin ] 9/11 (NJC) ["Paul Headon" ] joni's generational appeal [Cactustree78@aol.com] COOL CHAKA JONI STORY [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: joni's generational appeal [Catherine McKay ] Sept. 11 njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Pregnant Joni [Deb Messling ] Re: NJC Bree's Beatles ? ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: ti njc a question? [Deb Messling ] JMDL and September 11th ["Suze Cameron" ] re: Biggie & Tupac njc ["Garret" ] Re: Something about Mary NJC ["Garret" ] David Baerwald NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Beatles Songs / Joni on American Masters [Bob Shemkovitz ] Doctors' Gloves ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: joni mommy njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC [Jerry Notaro ] NJC (well a little bit) Song structures [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Nash dates ["Barbara L" ] Re: joni mommy njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re:SCJoni Bob [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: coming in from the cold video [Pearlz2swine@aol.com] Re: coming in from the cold video [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC (well a little bit) Song structures ["Bree Mcdonough" ] joni mommy sjc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni's Birthday! ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Something about Wally, Christian Bale and the BF - NJC [Murphycopy@ao] Re: Joni's Birthday! ["Lori in MD" ] and when she was naughty... [jan gyn ] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) [Relayer211@aol.com] fest foto captions . . . join in! - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany [colin ] Re: Something about Mary NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Time to take out a contract on Q magazine [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ti njc a question? > So there's an inquest or an investigation of some kind > and everybody asks, why, why, why? and they try to fit > it into some pattern, with the aim of making sure it > doesn't happen again. But it does. In this country 2 children a week, 100+ a year are killed by their own parents. Of course neighbours, other family, friends, drs, teachers all express surprise and say they didn't have a clue. They thought the bruises were caused by the child falling down and that the cries of the child were coming from the tv, as the voilume was up too loud. And in many cases the social workers thought that even though they knew the child was at risk, they should give the parents the benefit of the doubt after assurances from said parents that they would not abuse the child again. Only a few weeks ago, a child was beaten to death with a belt by her father. He had been givien custody of the child despite his history of violence and mental disturbance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:41:11 +0100 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: 9/11 (NJC) It seems like yesterday. The horror is deeply felt by us all in Wales. My thoughts go with you on this sad sad anniversary. Very best wishes, Paul Headon - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:05:29 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: joni's generational appeal Hi everyone!!! I think the great thing about Joni is that her music trancends generations and can touch everyone...examples... my best friends sister is 22 years old but she has the mentality of a 6 year old and her favorite song of all time is the circle game she knows every word and says she wants to play guitar like joni one day..i got my gramma who is 81 to listen to and love Hejira and then she wanted me to buy her more so i just bought her hissing..we'll see...now as far as my generation (im 24) i think (i hope) alot of us are turning on to music from the past because the music today(top 40) is so damn horrible..so we look to Joni james taylor and csn(y) and anyone else who has anything important to say...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:24:23 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: COOL CHAKA JONI STORY About a year ago(almost to the day) I was working at ABCTV in New York at the Who Wants To Be A Millionaire show..ONe of the theme shows was "Rock Star" and they had Chaka on along with some other cool people but Chaka was it for me...Along with the other Joni freaks i worked with we devised a plan to play Joni during rehearsal and we had this fantasy that we would have asingalong with Miss Chaka well our plan didnt turn out exactly like that but it was pretty cool...we played In France They Kiss On Main Street and there was the fabulous Miss Chaka dancin in her seat singin along we almost died after the show we went up to her and told her that it was us who put the Joni on she said they were really good friends for years and she loved her very much... it was an amazing experience...so thats my story......by the way today is september 11 and being from jersey and sorta from ny i ask you to please do something today anything you want but i suggest playing maybe the city side of song to a seagull or maybe John lennons sometime in new york(my favorite new york album) anything i know we havent forgotten but just to make sure GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS NEW YORK AND THE JMDL PEACE AND LOVE YOUR WAY****KEVIN*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's generational appeal - --- Cactustree78@aol.com wrote: > i got my gramma who is 81 > to listen to and love Hejira and then she wanted me > to buy her more so i just bought her hissing..we'll > see... This is amazing. My parents,if they were still alive, would be about the same age. My mother couldn't stand Joni. My Dad was a lot more open about music (and a number of other things) and, although he never said anything one way or another, he probably ... didn't mind her. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:01:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Sept. 11 njc Last year, between 8 and 9 a.m. e.s.t., I was driving to work, listening to music on a CD. I never listen to the news when I'm driving. I was getting pissed off by the traffic congestion and how slowly the cars were moving and upset I was probably going to be late for work. Finally arrived at work, the first thing one of my co-workers said was, "Did you hear what happened?" A plane - a big one - had crashed into the World Trade Centre in New York. My mind started turning this whole thing over - how could that have happened? Why are planes flying in that area, so close to all those big buildings? How can a plane crash into a building? If they're going to crash, they usually crash on take-off. They usually crash into the ocean or into fields in the country - they don't crash into buildings in large cities. Was there a bomb in the plane - did someone blow it up? Even so, what was it doing in the place at that time? All the radios in the office were turned on and more details started coming in. It all started making sense, in a weird and unthinkable way that I never would have dreamed of in my wildest imaginings. We live not too far (as the plane flies) from the Toronto (Pearson) Airport. Lots of planes fly over day and night. There are still times when I see or hear a plane and it doesn't sound "normal" to me, it sounds noisier than it should, and i have to look up and try to convince myself, it's just a plane, it's just circling for a landing, or it has just taken off. It's OK. September 11. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:03:32 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Pregnant Joni Apparently she had a miscarriage at the age of 47 or so. At 01:26 AM 9/11/02 -0400, you wrote: >In the early 90's, a friend of mine and fellow Joniphile had heard from pals >in LA that Joni was >pregnant.---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 7:5:38 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC Bree's Beatles ? Good Day Sunshine... > Yeah...yeah... yeah....and the one I was thinking of was Eleanor Rigby. And > you know there maybe more.... > > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:13:38 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: ti njc a question? When I think of doctors putting on rubber gloves and poking around, it would be the gynecologist's office. Joni talked about this line in some radio interview. She read an article in a news magazine about doctors being trained to recognize spouse abuse. Something about the article annoyed her. I don't recall exactly. At 09:37 PM 9/10/02 -0500, you wrote: > What I don't >understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their gloves. Does that >have to do with the same subject or is she talking about something else here? - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:25:19 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: JMDL and September 11th A year ago today I received a phone call from my husband informing me of the attacts. From there I migrated to the computer lab at school (we have no TVs). The JMDL was my source of information as all the news sites were too bogged down with hits to load. Colin and Muller constantly updated me on the news, and reading what they had to say scared me in one sense but calmed me in another. Thank you listers. Thanks Les and Wally. May we all worship in peace. Suze _____________________________________________________________ Play the Elvis. Scratch & Win for your chance to instantly win $10,000 Cash - - a 2003 Harley Davidson. Sportster. - 1 of 25,000 CD's - and more! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail_scratch_tl/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020801/index.asp?tc=7087 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:14:54 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: re: Biggie & Tupac njc i watched it too Azeem. Biggie and Tupac aren't regularly on my turntable (i've always wanted to say that:) but theirs is an interesting story. Furthermore my sister and brother seem somewhat obseesed with both artists and whatever genre you want to say they belong to. It's been all the rage in Ireland since 96/97. I went to see Broomfield's "Kurt and Courtney" and i thought that he really did attempt to transcend all the scandal and sensation that can easily be painted into this case. He is brave. Biggie and Tupac reaffirms this. What's next for him though?? Carly, James and Joni?? GARRET Np- The Beautiful South, Prettiest Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:20:56 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Something about Mary NJC Wasn't Bale great in Velvet Goldmine?? An awful movie despite all the appeal of Bale, mcGregor and Rhys-Meyers GARRET >Garret wrote: >American Psycho. > > > Oh yes, what a bomb. I sat through it only because of Christian Bale. So >wonderful in Newsies, Empire of the Sun, and Swing Kids. Love him but even >he couldn't help that stinker. > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:24:32 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: David Baerwald NJC > Why have i > never heard of him? Dunno. Not paying attention? ;~) >And just what am i missing out on?? The record of the year. :~) David Baerwald was 1/2 of the one-off 80's group David + David, who released a critically rec'd record called "Welcome to the Boomtown". Then he went on to solo work, 3 records thus far & Joni does backup vocals on his song "Liberty Lies". David appears in the video and sings backup on "Nothing Can Be Done". He also was part of the 'Tuesday Night Music CLub' that spawned Sheryl Crow's first record. It's been awhile since his last release, Triage, which is so good it makes even Les Irvin post! ;~) Now he's on Lost Highway, which is a great fit for him as it is for Ryan Adams, Lucinda, etc. Anyway, like all of my favorites, his genre is hard to define. There are elements of rock/Nilsson-esque pop/Blue-eyed soul, you name it. When it ends I IMMEDIATELY want to play it again. Bob NP: Whiskeytown, "Dancing With The Women At The Bar" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:24:19 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Beatles Songs / Joni on American Masters Hello, listers, Congratulations to everyone who attended the Jonifest - I'm way behind in reading the digests, but from the looks of things, everybody had a great time - I'm jealous. It's so fulfilling to be able to get together with like minded souls. Hope I can join you & meet you all one of these times. Just had to respond to one question that's been raised: >>> Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a >>> bit...here is a great trivia >>> question that gets people thinking (and humming): >>> Which Beatles song starts >>> out with the chorus? How about Revolution Number 9? best to all, Bob PS - Thanks to those who have posted information about the upcoming album Travelogue. I've come to depend on this list for info about all things Joni, so thank you to all who have been posting. By the way, with regard to the upcoming TV special, PBS has a website for the American Masters series at http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/current_season/index.html No date has been set, but it appears they plan to air the Joni show in December. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:23:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC > I wonder why on earth there might be so much negativity > aruond Gordon > and his music? too gentle? what? beyond me. Mags, I think it was just an issue of overexposure...I never got tired of "If You Could Read My Mind", but "Sundown" and ESPECIALLY "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" got SO much airplay that it made me not like him. But obviously I appreciate his talent and certainly hope that he recuperates so he can record a couple of Joni covers! ;~) Bob NP: Whiskeytown, "Waiting To Derail" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:31:51 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni -only + LOVE Hello JMDLers After John's trip to Paris, it dawned on me that he's probably not alone in listening to JONI EXCLUSIVELY. Are there more JMDLers out there who listen to nothing but Joni? Love (NJC): Some of you may recall a review I made of Arthur Lee's concert At My Place in Santa Monica in 11/91. At midnight, when many people had already left thinking he wouldn't show up, he staggered into the club and crawled backstage. He could barely stand up. The concert half an hour later was fine. Anyway, to my great surprise, I found a 2001 official release of this very show in my local store. The reviewer says that this was the greatest show out of all the ones he's seen in the early 90's. It's available at: almafame.co.uk (email: Almafame@aol.com) Enjoy Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:19:27 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Doctors' Gloves > Mack writes: > > << What I don't understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their > gloves >> > > Doctors put on gloves these day when they perform just about any procedure, > whether it's surgery or the examination of bruises on a battered woman. These days I thought it was so they wouldn't leave fingerprints. Same reason they wear masks during surgery. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:36:57 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mommy njc > Keep loving your kids, and teaching them about good music - > one day they will "get it" and love you for it:-) I'm trying, Ange...last night the whole fam damily went to see John Mayer at Furman U. It was an outstanding show, he stated that his tour was winding down and he was ready to pull out some stops. Played a couple of new songs, including his encore called "Something's Missing", that he wrote about a year ago. He spoke abou 9/11 before he played it and gave some moving comments, then in his guitar solo incorporated bits from "Happy Birthday", "Auld Lang Syne", and "Amazing Grace", the latter of which took me right back to the Full Moon performance space when our own amazing Christina stopped me in my tracks with her angelic acapella version... Bob NP: Whiskeytown, "Losering" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:40:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > One of the first music books I ever bought was a > Gordon Lightfoot book. I still have mine. I used to sing Rosanna and Walls all the time. > One of the first songs I > learned to play on guitar, and still one of my > favourite Gord songs is "Pussywillows, Cat-tails". > Beautiful lyrics and chord progressions on that one. Jane Olivor recorded a gorgeous version of the song. Still a stunner. Jerry np: Josh Groban - Vincent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:32:36 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC (well a little bit) Song structures All You Need Is Love? (I didn't check) I am reading a book called 'Stardust Melodies' by Will Friedwald, which treats rather exhaustively 12 great 'American Songbook' songs: Stardust, Night and Day, Mack the Knife, My Funny Valentine, As Time Goes By, St. Louis Blues, and so on. He does the whole history of the tune...the writers, the structure and lyrics, the discographies and all the covers over time. Recommended for structure nuts and musicians. While reading about St. Louis Blues, I kept thinking about Joni's lyric about W.C.Handy - 'I'm rich and I'm fey, and I'm not familiar with what you play...' What? She never heard St. Louis Blues????? Chuck > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:50:11 -0400 > To: chuck@chucke.net, joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NJC Bree's Beatles ? > > >> The first to occur to me was 'She Loves You' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:32:07 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Something about Mary NJC Not familiar with that one but also saw him in Metroland, where he happens to bare all. Less than average flick. Mack > Wasn't Bale great in Velvet Goldmine?? An awful movie despite all the > appeal of Bale, mcGregor and Rhys-Meyers > GARRET > > >Garret wrote: > >American Psycho. > > > > > > Oh yes, what a bomb. I sat through it only because of Christian Bale. So > >wonderful in Newsies, Empire of the Sun, and Swing Kids. Love him but > even > >he couldn't help that stinker. > > > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:36:34 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: joni mommy njc What a coincidence. In my bid to update my tastes of music, I was at the record store the other day, hunting, searching for something new. Heard a tune that really caught my ear. Asked who it was playing. They didn't know. Investigation revealed it was John Mayer. The salesboy said "we have two copies in here somewhere." After an hour of searching, he gave up. Thus, I gave up. Believe it or not, found it at Wal-Mart. Not a bad cd at all. Above average. Mack ...last night the whole fam damily went to see John Mayer at Furman U. It was an outstanding show, he stated that his tour was winding down and he was ready to pull out some stops. Played a couple of new songs, including his encore called "Something's Missing", that he wrote about a year ago. He spoke abou 9/11 before he played it and gave some moving comments, then in his guitar solo incorporated bits from "Happy Birthday", "Auld Lang Syne", and "Amazing Grace", the latter of which took me right back to the Full Moon performance space when our own amazing Christina stopped me in my tracks with her angelic acapella version... > > Bob > > NP: Whiskeytown, "Losering" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:38:45 +0000 From: "Barbara L" Subject: Nash dates Listing of the Nash dates at http://www.pevar.com/ under "tours and gigs". HTH, Barbara Little _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:52:24 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mommy njc > Not a bad cd at > all. Above average. To say the least...couple of other notes about the show: 1. Hey! to my John Mayer-pal Jane in Bammy! 2. His set-closer "1983" was also a wonderful blending of songs. He intro'd it with a piece from "King Of Pain" and in the midst of his own song also tossed in snippets from "Let's Hear It For The Boy" & "Girls Just Want To Have Fun", which were all from that era. He really has a good stage presence. Next time he comes to your town, the SCJoniGuy says "check him out" before he gets TOO big. Bob, who also appreciates other "above average" cd's like Hejira & Blood On The Tracks! ;~) NP: Whiskeytown, "Bar Lights" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:10:41 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: re:SCJoni Bob But Bob - you ARE spay-shul! Love Jennymac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:13:51 -0400 From: Pearlz2swine@aol.com Subject: Re: coming in from the cold video In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 2:00:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Someone also reccomended watching the Come In From The COld > video, which i > > have not been able to find anywhere Someone here turnred me on to GETMUSIC.com.....you can download this(CIFC) and many other Joni videos here...My Secret Place has such artistic visual lines..obviously a painter had something to do with it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:20:54 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: coming in from the cold video Pearlz2swine@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 2:00:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > > Someone also reccomended watching the Come In From The COld > > video, which i > > > have not been able to find anywhere > > Someone here turnred me on to GETMUSIC.com.....you can download this(CIFC) and many other Joni videos here...My Secret Place has such artistic visual lines..obviously a painter had something to do with it! But what a poor functioning site! Jerry np: Lea Delaria - Life Has Been Good to Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:41:05 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Pregnant Joni I read in one of the articles on the website that Joni had a miscarriage with Larry. Perhaps neither one recovered, and that was what precipitated the divorce. It seems like around that time was when she seriously starting looking for her daughter. It must have been an extremely rough time for Joni, if all that is true. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:52:09 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's generational appeal Hey! My daughter as a little girl did not like Joni. But about the time she discovered boys, she started to "get" Joni. Her favorite song is Cactus Tree, as a matter of fact. She is rather precocious, and already its been years since she went through her dyed black hair, black clothes Marilyn Manson period. She also went through a rap period (gawd!) Now she likes Radiohead, Incubus, Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, etc., as well as Joni. She told me her art teacher is dressing up as Vincent Van Gogh for Halloween, so today I sent TI with her to lend to him. It will be interesting to see if he is already familiar with it. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:04:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Something about Christian Bale NJC << Christian Bale >> Does anyone know who his famous stepmother is? If you do, you can win a photocopied page from a Joni in Fiction novel! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:10:46 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Joni, Laura and New York City's Shadows and Light On this day of remembrance, I have been reflecting on NYC as portrayed in STAS and Laura Nyro's New York Tendaberry. Both works reveal the duality of the Big Apple. Joni sings, "Night in the city looks pretty to me", in one of my favorite songs. But she also sings, "You feed it all your woes - the ghostly garden grows" and sees Manhattan as "an island of noise, in a cobblestone sea...[where] the beach are concrete and the stars pay a light bill." Eventually, she votes with her feet and departs NYC for California. Laura Nyro's New York Tendaberry also reveals the grittiness of life in the city. In Gibsom Street, she sings, "Don't go to Gibsom, cross the river. The devil is hungry, the devil is sweet...they hang the alley cats on Gibsom Street." In NY Tendaberry, she sings, "Sweet kids in hunger slums, firecrackers break, and they cross, and they dust, and they skate, and the night comes." Further on she sings, "I ran away in the morning, now i"m back - unpacked. Sidewalk and pigeon - you look like a city, but you feel like religion to me." For Laura, New York is home, with all its shadows, and its light. If you have both albums, listen to them back to back today, and let me know your impressions. To me, they are both masterpieces. Ruth Richmond (but born in NYC) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:11:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Something about Christian Bale NJC In a message dated 9/11/2002 12:04:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Does anyone know who his famous stepmother is? If you do, you can win a > photocopied page from a Joni in Fiction novel! > Gloria Steinham!!!!! I don't need to win anything Bob, just want you to get over that nasty cold! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:20:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Something about Christian Bale NJC People magazine-readin' Jimmy writes: << Gloria Steinham!!!!! I don't need to win anything Bob, just want you to get over that nasty cold! >> Hold all e-mails . . . we have a winner! And you may have already won the prize you requested, since I feel much better today and may live! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:57:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni, Laura and New York City's Shadows and Light > To me, they are both masterpieces. Agreed, Ruth. I may not be able to spin these back to back tonight, but will do so soon! Coincidentally, I probably would have never picked up on either of these discs if not for this very group! Bob NP: The Blasters, "American Music" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:07:43 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! >"Can't Buy Me Love," "Help," a few others, too, I think. *Help* are you sure? Sort of a classification all its own. >-Fred > >P.S. Bree ... I owe you CDs, I know ... please stand by, we're experiencing >technical difficulties That is okay...I'm a patient person. I'm listening to quite a bit of new stuff right now...maybe your stuff will come when I have nothing new to explore. Take care.. Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:14:56 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Like A Tree Standing By The Water (NJC) http://www.utne.com/bSociety.tmpl? command=search&db=dArticle.db&eqheadlinedata=Like%20a%20Tree%20Standing% 20By%20the%20Water ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:30:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Salute to Joni Mitchell Got this from a friend - no clue as to its origin, no time to check it out right now. "Salute to Joni Mitchell Taking Place At: Di Piazza's Featuring: Bobby Frisco [music, Alternative] With Chase Frank, phil jordan Other Participating Artists: Reny Collette & the Road Less Traveled Date: Mon 9/16/02 Time: 9:00P - 12:01P I am sure it is in Long Beach." - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:38:48 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC (well a little bit) Song structures >All You Need Is Love? (I didn't check) I believe this starts with the a verse? >Recommended for structure nuts and musicians. Sounds like an interesting read. >While reading about St. Louis Blues, I kept thinking about Joni's >lyric about W.C.Handy - 'I'm rich and I'm fey, and I'm not familiar >with what you play...' What? She never heard St. Louis Blues????? This reminded me of a song I have always loved(it is a practice song in a guitar course I'm taking.....and only discovered its writer because of this course) I had no idea Tom Waits wrote it. (Downtown Train) Bree >Chuck _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:46:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Something about Christian Bale NJC gloria steinem! wK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Miercoles, 11 de Septiembre de 2002 01:05 p.m. Para: courtandspark@earthlink.net; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Something about Christian Bale NJC << Christian Bale >> Does anyone know who his famous stepmother is? If you do, you can win a photocopied page from a Joni in Fiction novel! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:20:03 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Underrated and other things! Bryan wrote:- >Joni is not underrated; she is widely considered by at least two >generations of critics as one of the most important, influential, talented >and strikingly original musicians of her time. But she is vastly >underappreciated by the public and by the powers that be in the radio >business (and that's a different thing than underrated). Yes, I agree with you 100%, but I was making more of a point that Joni is underated by younger people of the public. I could mention loads of 'artists' who are more well known from her generation who don't have half the talent she does. I'm not going to though 'cos I don't want to start another debate about someone else! Also I beleive the critics were not too nice about 'THOSL' at the time. Thinking of New York by listening to Laura and Suzanne's music + Joni's 'STAS'. Don't have 'New York Tandenberry', but you know I'm going to get it! So many great messages lately, just trying to keep up. Peace be with you all. STEVE T. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:35:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni mommy sjc ange, i'm lol yet amazed...but agree with catherine that it is great material, ala my big fat greek wedding...glad you got them to go & they enjoyed you singing after all! >>>My folks just came to Bangkok for the weekend...hadn't seen them in a year...and the first thing my dad says: "We don't want to see you sing tonight, it stresses me to hear you sing in public" WHO HAS PARENTS LIKE THIS?! Their daughter has moved overseas and set up a life for herself, got a great gig singing at one of the top live music venues in Bangkok and they don't wanna see me sing?....goodness me.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:35:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC i agree, gordon is a wonderful talent who was quite esteemed back in the day, right up there along side james taylor, tho haven't heard much about him in recent years...i too hope he is okay... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:48:15 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Joni's Birthday! So am I right in thinking Joni will be 60 years of age this November? I guess this new album of re-recordings seems quite appropriate. STEVE T. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Something about Wally, Christian Bale and the BF - NJC Dear Wally, The sad-assed AOLers on the JMDL -- like me and 3 others I know of -- aren't getting your posts to the list. Unless someone copies you and responds to something you've written, we have no idea you've posted. Regarding your Birthday Fairy duties . . . now that you've resigned, who will fill your gossamer wings? Jimmy the Deputy BF doesn't want the job, and neither do I, the lowly Birthday Gnome. Any volunteers? Also, sorry to say that although your answer to the Christian Bale question was correct, Jimmy was first! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:09:21 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday! > So am I right in thinking Joni will be 60 years > of age this November? 59. She was born November 7, 1943. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:01:47 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: and when she was naughty... In the current SF Bay Guardian JM is referred to as 'haughty by nature'. - -jan :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:14:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Great post, Mr. S...since I'm name-checked all over the place here, I probably should respond...actually I'm DYING to respond, just haven't had time. > OK. But you'll still have to deal with Bob S (for Senseofhumour). I like > Shiny Toys a lot. And I like Dancin Clown. Here I am bucking the two macho > icons of the JMDL (Paz and Bob Muller over). I like Joni's playful side (I > like the side on the inside of the FTR album jacket, too ;-)). > Just remember...Michael is the official "Lord of Masculinity" (after all, have you seen the calves on that guy?) *I* am merely an apprentice! ;~) > The 80's Albums > > I am on record as reversing Bob Muller's ratings on the 80's albums (I > prefer CMIAR, then DED, the WTRF). You are welcome to like them as you will...this does not affect their quality. :~) Maybe I don't like when Joni's having fun > with some other guy. And how can love be really solid in a year or two ? What are you saying here? That a "solid love" cannot last even a year? It surely shifts around and re-manifests itself in different ways, but I'll be there are lots of folks who would argue that their "solid love" is going strong. > I think Lucky Girl (more individually personal) would have made a better > closing cut to WTRF, and Love (more universal - the antidote to society's > darker side ?) a better closing cut to DED. (I realize that chronology > probably dictated against that). Still - what do you all think ? While Lucky Girl fits the 'theme' of WTRF, I've always thought of "Love" as the perfect closer. Through all the troubles of Flat Tires, Man to Man, etc...love remains the goal, and how better to express such a classic thought than to adapt text that has been around for centuries! > Tin Angel - too much like I Had a King (which was a fine "here I am" for > album 1), and not inviting enough. Still, with 5 "relationship" songs, how > does one space them out ? Tin Angel, Chelsea Morning, I Don't Know Where I > Stand, Midway, The Gallery. Is this 5 different guys - on one album ? Maybe > she should have opened with a cover of I Get Around ....;-) I agree that "Tin Angel" is a weak opener, and indeed may be what turns so many off to this record. Better to open with "Chelsea Morning" I think... > > Banquet - Feels wrong as an opener to me. Not me. I think her sequencing on FTR is perfect...even lyrically, Joni is ringing the "dinner gong" and calling us to what is a very tasty meal indeed. And of course "Judgement" is one of the better closers on ANY album. > Twisted - needs a killer before it (I think Down to You). Trouble Child ain't enough of a killer? Again, C&S is another record where the sequencing is flawless...Twisted & TC are bookends anyway; they belong together - 2 takes on the same subject, one comical and one serious. > > A Bird That Whistles - really needs a big song in front of it. > No...needs about 9! ;~) > TTT - I have a feeling I would have opened differently - perhaps with the > title song - but I find this album so homogeneous that it hardly matters. > I must be in the minority...HiH is SO strong, it really gets TTT off on the right track. Plus, again lyrically Joni is motioning us in (like on Banquet) so that part works too. Fascinating stuff as always, Mr. Sartorius! Thanks for the post - I didn't do justice to it in my reply but it was killing me there to have it hanging and waiting for me to say SOMETHING! :~) Bob NP: Tony Joe White, "Willie & Laura Mae Jones" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:37:38 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) I wouldn't be surprised if her uncle smoked some crack too! It might explain some things... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:44:16 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: fest foto captions . . . join in! - njc Estimates are that this year's fest page will have 150 photos . . . and that's a hunka hunka hunk of captioning! Anyway, I was checking out some of the photos on Chris Marshall's great site <> and I really don't know how I can beat some of the captions that are already there. Also, I have no desire to "own" the fest captioning job; if anyone has a better caption for any photo, that's fine with me. So, thanks to Chris, it's easy to help us come up with funny/poignant/outrageous captions. All you have to do is go to his site, click on any photo and you can then write your own caption. Before we finally put the fest page up, we will take a look at these captions and choose the best. I am going to have the use of a super-computer and connection this weekend, so I hope to get a lot of the photo editing and captioning work done then. Also, Paz . . . I don't know how I missed your final photo when I last looked at your photos, but someone told me to check it out. I howled! Boy, you caught me in the act! http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album08&page=11 Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:42:00 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni In a message dated 9/10/2002 3:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, suze_1@lycos.com writes: > My almost 18 year old foster daugther will never have any taste as she goes > with what the crowd thinks is cool and not what she really likes. I feel > bad for her needing this approval of her music. That was one thing that I > never did as a youngster, but then I, like you, was raised in a magical > time for music, the 60's. > > Thanks for sharing your story, > that is sad isn't it?I love my 13 years old cousin dearly,but it makes me sad how influenced she is by peer pressure and the teenage pop culture-which is such garbage.I've tried to get her to like good stuff,but I have had no luck.For example she refuses to watch any movie that is "old" ie.made before 1998... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:36:58 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany > Maybe I don't like when Joni's having fun > > with some other guy. And how can love be really solid in a year or two ? i took this mean how can love be solid in only a year or two. it can be solid much much sooner-like straight away! It least it was for us from the moement we met over 21 years ago now. lived together form that very first evening. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:04:17 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Something about Mary NJC In a message dated 11/09/2002 13:04:16 GMT Daylight Time, sprout@eircom.net writes: << Wasn't Bale great in Velvet Goldmine?? An awful movie despite all the appeal of Bale, mcGregor and Rhys-Meyers >> "awful" isn't putting it strongly enough, Garret! It is one of the most wretchedly ill-conceived films I've ever seen, and it was a close run thing whether I'd make it to the end. The next time a film would rile me that much was just last year, with Moulin Rouge. Everything about it failed dismally: that risibly pretentious Oscar Wilde opening; the awkward melange of contemporaneous and specially-written songs; the downright bewildering blurring of obviously based-on-real-life characters with completely fictional ones ("Jack Fairy"??? Singing early Roxy Music songs? What the bleedin' 'ell was THAT all about??); the ponderous script. AAAARRGH! And yet, look at the talent the director had lured to the project: Ewan McGregor, Christian Bale, Jonathan Rhys Meyers and Toni Colette all did their best, but didn't stand a chance, bless 'em. Turkey of the decade! Azeem in London, just back from the Kashmir Klub, where I enjoyed a truly delectable set from Helen Boulding - Remember Where You Heard That Name First, folks, she's got Ingredient X, and a bit of Ingredients Y and Z to boot. NP: M2OH - Appartment Hunting (thanks to Catherine!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:34:15 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine Q has a featurette called "Beware of the Dog - Bad albums by great artists" This month the award goes to... Don Juan's Reckless Daughter! Quoth Ian Cranna: "After her quantum jump from singer-songwriter to the complex artist of Hissing... and Hejira, Mitchell's increasing infatuation with jazz textures and rhythms led to a fusion bridge too far. With bonkers lyrics, shapeless melodies and Jaco Pastorius on bass, she attempted a kind of Impressionism in sound, while such songs as did exist were nothing she hadn't already done better. Her next effort - a widely ignored Charlie Mingus collaboration - cured her of jazz fever." Hmm. Aside from the "IMHO" factor, this does beg a few serious questions, chiefly: 1. Is being a singer-songwriter therefore by definition not a good thing? 2. Is having Jaco Pastorius on bass intrinsically a bad move? 3. Had she already written a song just like as The Silky Veils of Ardor, only better? 4. Is it fair to describe an album that made the top 20 (possibly top ten, I can't check right now) in the UK, as many of its not-exactly-going-platinum predecessors had, as "widely ignored"? Answers on a postcard... Steady now, I'm only the messenger, put the guns away... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > One of the first music books I ever bought was a > > Gordon Lightfoot book. > > I still have mine. I used to sing Rosanna and Walls > all the time. > I still have mine too somewhere and I think now I'm going to have to dig it out. I also used to play "The way I feel" and I think that was the first intro I had to any kind of alternate tuning - I think you tuned the bottom E string to D, and the A to a G, and then you'd get this "droom-y" sound, kind of like a sitar or a dulcimer. Of course,it took me years to realize that was the whole secret to Joni's unique guitar sound, and I had to be told, of course - some of us are slow to pick things up. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Q has a featurette called "Beware of the Dog - Bad > albums by great artists" > > This month the award goes to... Don Juan's Reckless > Daughter! Quoth Ian > Cranna: > >.... > Answers on a postcard... > > Steady now, I'm only the messenger, put the guns > away... Question 5 - what friggin' planet is this guy from??? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:24:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Something about Wally, Christian Bale and the BF - NJC - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Dear Wally, > > The sad-assed AOLers on the JMDL -- like me and 3 > others I know of -- aren't > getting your posts to the list. Unless someone > copies you and responds to > something you've written, we have no idea you've > posted. > Serves you right for going with a crap company like aol. > Regarding your Birthday Fairy duties . . . now that > you've resigned, who will > fill your gossamer wings? Jimmy the Deputy BF > doesn't want the job, and > neither do I, the lowly Birthday Gnome. Any > volunteers? I think we should all just announce our own birthdays and then sit back & see how many best wishes we get. Then we can be miffed if someone else gets more. Works for me. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:42:20 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Something about Wally, Christian Bale and the BF - NJC lol catherine. . > Then we can be miffed if someone else gets more. Works > for me. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:59:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Something about the BF - NJC Catherine suggests: << I think we should all just announce our own birthdays and then sit back & see how many best wishes we get. Then we can be miffed if someone else gets more. Works for me. >> God, Catherine, what a great idea! I honestly can't think of anyone who could ever fill the Birthday Fairy's gossamer wings as well as Wally did, so I can see lots of reasons why this might be the answer we've been looking for. What's more, we can all use the archives to see if we got more or fewer birthday wishes in previous years! We can even offer special incentives -- like Muller does with that damned covers project -- to win even more JMDL friends and birthday well-wishers! I say we go with this idea . . . unless a better fairy or nymph than Wally steps forward. --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #360 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)