From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #359 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 359 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: $tarbuck$ NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: joni underrated? / how i discovered joni, njc now ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Biggie & Tupac njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room/ GM Hopkins - njc ["Garret" ] Re: Mulholland Drive NJC ["Garret" ] Re: Something about Mary NJC ["Garret" ] Katrin Cartlidge RIP njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Mulholland Drive NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Fwd: Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC [Mags N Brei ] TTT sequencing, was Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: About Joni being underrated! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: transporter beam(njc) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Something about Mary NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: joni mommy now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: ti a question? [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: ti a question? ["Heather" ] RE: Gordon Lightfoot NJC ["Heather" ] Re: ti njc a question? [Catherine McKay ] a lot of talk going on the the JMDL chat room [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Gordon Lightfoot NJC [Mags N Brei ] RE: $tarbuck$ NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Bree's Beatles ? ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: About Joni being underrated! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Pregnant Joni [KJHSF@aol.com] RE: My Intro To Joni [John Low ] Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni ["Amelio Alamo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:38:37 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: $tarbuck$ NJC >>oh but i was young and dashing in those days.<< wallyK Yeah, but where to? Mike en la cuidad condal. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: joni underrated? / how i discovered joni, njc now I think maybe you had to "drag" him to JoniFest the first time but he seemed to come along willingly in '02! Lama - --- Kate Bennett wrote, in part: > ...then i saw her again when she toured > with bob & van...it was one > of jeff & my first dates (he wanted to see bob, i > wanted to see joni & she > did not disappoint! what i didn't expect was for bob > to be so rockingly > superb so it was a great show & now jeff & i are > married & i drag him to > jonifest! so far there is no bobfest but maybe one > of these days...lol) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:36:29 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC > I heard on the radio that Joni's dear friend Gordon Lightfoot was > hospitalized. (In Mags' hometown) Now Gordon, there's someone who is underappreciated AND underrated. One of the finest singers of his generation and a very good songwriter too. Have you listened to his ballad "Beautiful" from the 70's? So lovely and touching, it brings a tear to the eye. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:52:00 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Biggie & Tupac njc Wow! I just saw this film on telly, and it was one of the most riveting documentaries I've ever seen. Nick Broomfield's docs are something of an acquired taste (although I've always enjoyed them) - this is his best that I've seen, and shows that for all his absurdity and pompous airs, he's a very shrewd (true) story teller - and a brave man to boot: some of the people he interviewed and faced down for this film are not the sort you'd want to get on the wrong side of. The most extraordinary thing is that he seems to have got far closer to the truth about what happened to Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls than the LAPD did - - and the reasons they DIDN'T get closer are absolutely shocking. Azeem in London NP: Rap Top Ten on Channel 4 - How much of a narcissistic arsehole is MC Hammer?? Un-sodding-believable! Ditto P Diddy (great stage name, Sean!). LL Cool J is cool though. PS This is DEFINITELY NJC isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:56:22 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room/ GM Hopkins - njc Bob wrote: >When I was moving last year, I found an old college poetry textbook and I >discovered that years previously I had added quotations to the poet's middle >name, so his name read Gerard "Manley" Hopkins. I thought it was funny, >considering. LOL!! I loooove it! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:01:25 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive NJC the SCJoniGuy said: >NP: David Baerwald, "Why" (possibly the album of the year thus far) Sorry who?? That's some recomendation coming from you Bob! Why have i never heard of him? And just what am i missing out on?? GARRET (still getting around Azeem's recomendations- with pleasure of course:) NP- Joni, Blue Motel Room ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:08:30 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Something about Mary NJC Mike, i didn't find Something About Mary very funny either. The only i time i actually laughed was near the end when that bloody singer was shot! Colin said: >The film was not supposed to be art nor high brow. True, but that doesn't make it any better! One of my friends just loves all those awful teen flicks that have been popular in recent years( a la "She's All That", " I know what you did last summer", "Deuce Bigalow "....ok, so i laughed uncontrollably and inexplicably at that last one), so i often go to see them. We inevitably have a certain conversation afterwards Jt: "what did you think?" Me: "Dire. Infantile. Insulting." Jt: " yea, but it's supposed to be silly/stupid/childish" Me: "just becuse it's intended to be silly (or whatever), doesn't make it any less silly!!!" Same goes for the novel American Psycho. Yes, the author intended large parts of it to be tedious and quite boring; that fact does not make it any less tedious or boring!!! Ok, i'm rambling now:-) GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:01:30 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Katrin Cartlidge RIP njc Heard today that Katrin Cartlidge has died at the appallingly early age of 41. I never saw her on stage, but she was truly memorable in all the films I saw her in, especially Mike Leigh's "Naked" and "Career Girls", and in Breaking The Waves. After Charlotte Coleman's tragic death from asthma last year, that's two great English character actresses gone far too young. Very sad. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive NJC Hi Mike, I have this annoying writing device of knocking down "straw men". It sounds like I'm rebutting something you said when I'm really trying to argue with myself! I can't help it- it's the way I write. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, although I took your post as a springboard for arguing 'out loud' so to speak about others perceptions of Lynch. Gees, it sounds kinda psychotic doesn't it? It's that pretentious thang that some people (many people?) dislike. Sorry. If I have to tell the truth, David Lynch WILL probably get my money next time. The sad truth is I love to hate him. :) I get to vent, don't cha know....... Lama - --- Mike Pritchard wrote: Hi Jim/everyone, Just to add a couple of obvious comments. One, the fact that we jonilistas are always asking here "What does 'boom boom pachyderm' mean?" and "notches liberation doll"  what's that? suggests that we are not totally 'getting' joni's lyrics although we enjoy the songs. Why can't we enjoy the movie unless we can all make sense of it if we CAN enjoy the song when we don't understand the words? Second, 'nettles' is kakki's word, not mine and although I don't object to it, it seems to me that my question about the parking lot scene is simply an unclear part of the film to me, and it doesn't really 'bug' me in the way that 'nettles' suggests. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:12:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni Has anyone heard this rumor? ~rose Return-path: From: NoRAGROM@aol.com Full-name: NoRAGROM Message-ID: <14c.13d3150a.2aafc093@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:39:31 EDT Subject: Joni To: RoseMJoy@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Hey Rose, Have you heard any rumors that Joni will be onstage with Nash this Sat at the Keswick in Phil ? An eBayer has his ticks for sale advertising that Joni and Shawn Colvin will be his guests? Ask around? Did you make it to the fest? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC - --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > > I heard on the radio that Joni's dear friend Gordon Lightfoot was > > hospitalized. (In Mags' hometown) > > Now Gordon, there's someone who is underappreciated AND underrated. > One of the finest singers of his generation and a very good > songwriter too. Have you listened to his ballad "Beautiful" from the > 70's? So lovely and touching, it brings a tear to the eye. now me: > Beautiful is probably my favourite Gordon song of all time. It is a simple song, and so tender and loving. Makes me cry too. Ah, Gordon, he's another Canadian artist that I love. I've seen him in concert at Massey Hall in Toronto only twice, and each time was magical. He's so damned good in concert, it's unreal. I thanked Jimmy offlist for posting this. While I did see the story yesterday via the Globe and Mail, it was nice to see him recognized here. It was a treat to see him speak at Joni's tribute in Toronto last year. He is a highly respected Canadian icon in the music industry, imho. And as I said to Jimmy, I hope he will be okay. He's only 63. Just an aside, I was wondering why on earth they took him to the medical centre in Hamilton and not to Toronto??? Mags npimh: Beautiful ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: TTT sequencing, was Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Hmmm. This thread on sequencing might prove thought provoking for Jack and Paz as they wrap things up in Nawlins. Anyway, I'll chuck in my pet peeve on sequencing: TTT. It has always, always, bothered me that TTT starts with a very, very dirty, digital-grunge sound. Now, I love the track: "Harlem In Havana". To me, it's one of Joni's amazing miracles. I mean, where the hell did this come from? No one could have predicted that this genius, widely misunderstood as a ingenue, could conceive THIS! This is a producer's track. And the producer is Joni Mitchell! But, it needs the right setup. On my computer at work, my track sequence preserves most of Joni's sequencing while "fixing" only what bugs me. It starts with a sad one, Man From Mars, then picks up HER sequence, 'Love Puts On A New Face' and 'Lead Balloon'. As you know, that one ends with a big, purposely bent (sharp), trailing-off guitar sound. That's the *perfect* place to drop in the grungy, digital opening for "Harlem In Havana". When the carnival snippets come in, it all falls into place. Mmmmm. Yummy, not gummy. So, for me, it's 2,3,4,1, then back to Joni's sequence: 5,6,7,8,9,10, bonus track: Tiger Bones. Lamadoo ps, the Yahoo! spell check suggested changing "snippets" to..... wait for it...... "snip pets". Kinda Lynch-esque, eh? __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni Welcome out of lurkdom, Harry! I've already posted too much today but the spirit is moving in me today. I really like the bit in your post where you describe your co-workers by analogy to songwriters. That is so very "High Fidelity"!! Then you mentioned her scatting on the opening track of Miles Of Aisles! Wow! Yes! Thank you! In looking back over the chronology, I guess I can say that *that scatting* was the opening shot in her Jazz barrage. Oh, my, when I found that album, I was gone too. Exactly. This woman *knows*. Lama - --- Harry83house@aol.com wrote, in part, > Then in the mid-80's, I > left my family home in Georgia and moved to the > metro NYC area where I got my > dream job of working in a record store. > > Two of my fellow employees were > REALLY major Joni fans, a Joan > Jett type married lady, named Mary, who always wore > black, and a James Taylor > type guy, Doug. > > MILES OF AISLES did it. Joni's > high HIGH duet at the end > of YOU TURN ME ON..., the CIRCLE GAME sing-along, > the acoustic section with > just Joni and guitar. Even the audience banter was > mesmerizing. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:06:12 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! > >Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a bit...here is a great trivia > >question that gets people thinking (and humming): Which Beatles song starts > >out with the chorus? > > "Can't Buy Me Love," "Help," a few others, too, I think. > > -Fred > My thought was 'Eleanor Rigby' - 'Ah look at all the lonely people...' Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni Proof that Elvis Costello was heavily influenced: "Invisible shivers running down my spine. I don't know how .... much more..... .... of this..... .... I can...... .....take..... She's filing her nails while they're draggin' the..... ...... lake. She's watchin' the detectives." Lama __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC Not only is he underappreciated, but I have actually been ridiculed for saying I was a big Gordon Lightfoot fan on a couple of occasions. Some people seem to have an out and out loathing for the man's music. I agree the chords on Beautiful are so achingly, well, beautiful! And early morning rain I think is one of the best written songs of all time. (Cotton) Jenny Mags N Brei wrote:--- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > > I heard on the radio that Joni's dear friend Gordon Lightfoot was > > hospitalized. (In Mags' hometown) > > Now Gordon, there's someone who is underappreciated AND underrated. > One of the finest singers of his generation and a very good > songwriter too. Have you listened to his ballad "Beautiful" from the > 70's? So lovely and touching, it brings a tear to the eye. now me: > Beautiful is probably my favourite Gordon song of all time. It is a simple song, and so tender and loving. Makes me cry too. Ah, Gordon, he's another Canadian artist that I love. I've seen him in concert at Massey Hall in Toronto only twice, and each time was magical. He's so damned good in concert, it's unreal. I thanked Jimmy offlist for posting this. While I did see the story yesterday via the Globe and Mail, it was nice to see him recognized here. It was a treat to see him speak at Joni's tribute in Toronto last year. He is a highly respected Canadian icon in the music industry, imho. And as I said to Jimmy, I hope he will be okay. He's only 63. Just an aside, I was wondering why on earth they took him to the medical centre in Hamilton and not to Toronto??? Mags npimh: Beautiful ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:41:41 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: transporter beam(njc) aw, but simple can be so grand. that is the beauty of gin to me. Feels great but not overbearing as the other liquors will quickly drive me to the toilet. Also, little to no hangover the next day. The perfect beverage. mack would be something more exotic, like it had > sugar-frosted rose petals floating on the top or something. Then it occured > to me today that maybe it was just Roses Lime Juice. Well, we will have to > spice it up! > > Kakki > > > > It is. > > > > I thought that was a gimlet???? > > > > > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:48:14 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany > Bob S wrote > > >>Hey, speaking of senses of humor, I just saw "There's Something About > Mary" > for the second time. I was in tears-runnin-down-my-face stitches again I loved it too Bob. Pretty silly but even when I didn't want to laugh I did, so much that it hurt. Easy to watch and a great movie to just take one away from the day. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:57:24 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC Bryan, so true. I had completely forgotten about that tune. It was indeed "beautiful" in itself and he sang it in such a lovely way as you posted. Too bad all the air play went to the effort "sundown." Ugh. mack listened to his ballad "Beautiful" from the 70's? So lovely and touching, it brings a tear to the eye. > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:54:12 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: transporter beam(njc) Mack, Of course, you are right. I will try it - it may be like an upscale Tom Collins (which was my first drink of choice before I met Martini) Simple is always best - the drinks that are too frou-frou-ed up can be such a waste of fine liquor. A momentary thrill with no afterglow ;-) For the gin aficionados, I have fallen completely in love with a new Scottish import - Hendricks. In addition to the usual 10 or 20 or 30 botanicals, Hendricks includes cucumber and roses. It is very expensive and impossible to find but I am doing my best to promote it. First found it at Hal's in Venice where a Joni painting hangs. Kakki > aw, but simple can be so grand. that is the beauty of gin to me. Feels > great but not overbearing as the other liquors will quickly drive me to the > toilet. Also, little to no hangover the next day. The perfect beverage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:02:20 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Something about Mary NJC Garret wrote: American Psycho. Oh yes, what a bomb. I sat through it only because of Christian Bale. So wonderful in Newsies, Empire of the Sun, and Swing Kids. Love him but even he couldn't help that stinker. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:05:41 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni with Nash? Hi Rise, Haven't heard this. You never know about those eBayers but with the line-up Nash has with him, you never know anyway - there could be surprises! Mr. Klein will be there as well as Jeff Pevar, Dean Parks, Russ Kunkel and James Raymond - an ecstasy-inducing liine-up in its own right. I hope you go and give us a report. I'm going to the Oct. 2nd one here and cannot wait. Kakki > Has anyone heard this rumor? > > ~rose > Hey Rose, > Have you heard any rumors that Joni will be onstage with Nash this Sat at the > Keswick in Phil ? > An eBayer has his ticks for sale advertising that Joni and Shawn Colvin will > be his guests? Ask around? > Did you make it to the fest? > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:13:15 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC Jenny wrote: Not only is he underappreciated, but I have actually been ridiculed for saying I was a big Gordon Lightfoot fan As I have been, on more than a couple of occasions for being a Joni fan. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:25:18 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: transporter beam(njc) Interesting topic Kakki and leads me to more. I have picked up the habit, so big in Texas and elsewhere I suppose but really big in Texas, of drinking beer. Have done so for years off and on but never really enjoyed it (until now), more to go with the crowd and because it is relatively inexpensive and less heavy than liquor. So easy to order "give me what's on tap." One little bar in Lubbock in which Jeff ( my friend that introduced me to Joni) and I spent countless hours playing video games, because it was close to our house and we neither one had a car, had Moosehead beer. Loved it. So fresh and light, so clear and breezy. Now drink it only if I can help it though it is tough to get here. What was interesting to me was reading the label last evening while thinking of all the Canadians here on list. Actually it is lager, according to the label. What is the difference? Anyway, it says it is Canada's oldest brewery and from the Maritimes of Eastern Canada. Don't know if any of our canadian friends are from that region but it kicks the shit out of american versions. Mack > Mack, > > Of course, you are right. I will try it - it may be like an upscale Tom > Collins (which was my first drink of choice before I met Martini) Simple is > always best - the drinks that are too frou-frou-ed up can be such a waste of > fine liquor. A momentary thrill with no afterglow ;-) > > For the gin aficionados, I have fallen completely in love with a new > Scottish import - Hendricks. In addition to the usual 10 or 20 or 30 > botanicals, Hendricks includes cucumber and roses. It is very expensive and > impossible to find but I am doing my best to promote it. First found it at > Hal's in Venice where a Joni painting hangs. > > Kakki > > > aw, but simple can be so grand. that is the beauty of gin to me. Feels > > great but not overbearing as the other liquors will quickly drive me to > the > > toilet. Also, little to no hangover the next day. The perfect beverage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:13:32 +0700 From: Angela.Takats@reuters.com Subject: joni mommy sjc Sue and Sybil, WHY WEREN'T YOU MY MOMMY!! :-) Oh to have a mother who understood joni....to have a mother who even LISTENED to music. No, seriously, I love my mother dearly, but sometimes I wonder how I can be her daughter when her knowledge of music is zero. My folks just came to Bangkok for the weekend...hadn't seen them in a year...and the first thing my dad says: "We don't want to see you sing tonight, it stresses me to hear you sing in public" WHO HAS PARENTS LIKE THIS?! Their daughter has moved overseas and set up a life for herself, got a great gig singing at one of the top live music venues in Bangkok and they don't wanna see me sing?....goodness me. Keep loving your kids, and teaching them about good music - one day they will "get it" and love you for it:-) Ange, BKK PS...in the end I talked them into coming to my gig and they loved it...yay Sue wrote: <<> - ------------------------------------------------------------- --- Visit our Internet site at http://www.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:28:22 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni with Nash? In a message dated 9/10/02 10:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Haven't heard this. You never know about those eBayers but with the line-up > Nash has with him, you never know anyway - there could be surprises! Mr. > Klein will be there as well as Jeff Pevar, Dean Parks, Russ Kunkel and > James > Raymond - an ecstasy-inducing liine-up in its own right. I hope you go and > give us a report. I'm going to the Oct. 2nd one here and cannot wait. > > Hey he's playing in Red Bank, NJ on the 19th, ya never know who may show up at that one, BR-UU-CE?? ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:37:16 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: ti njc a question? Okay people. I have put off asking this question since I have been here but cannot do so anymore. All these mentions of TI have put it into the player. I love the tune "Not to Blame." Joni is so captivating in voice on this one. I could wrap her up, hold her tight and kiss her til morning would come. The melody is lovely in the true sense of the word and the mesh of the music touches my heart. I cannot explain the last sentence any better for not musical am I, as those of you here. I have read that this tune is about Jackson Browne and Darryl Hannah. I denied it. I don't know why. I am no fan of his but this jewel could not be about something so ugly, could it? No, it can't be. The first part of it is easy to understand. What I don't understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their gloves. Does that have to do with the same subject or is she talking about something else here? Made me think of abortion. Explain please. love, mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni mommy now njc - --- Angela.Takats@reuters.com wrote: > Sue and Sybil, > WHY WEREN'T YOU MY MOMMY!! :-) > Oh to have a mother who understood joni....to have a > mother who even LISTENED to music. ... > > My folks just came to Bangkok for the > weekend...hadn't seen them in a year...and the first > thing my dad says: "We don't want to see you sing > tonight, it stresses me to hear you sing in public" > WHO HAS PARENTS LIKE THIS?! Their daughter has moved > overseas and set up a life for herself, got a great > gig singing at one of the top live music venues in > Bangkok and they don't wanna see me > sing?....goodness me. Angela, I don't know whether to laugh or cry! "It stresses me to hear you sing in public(?)" What is THAT all about? It certainly is good song-writing material, or if not song-writing material, then stand-up comic material - either way, you win, and you can thank your parents. (It's OK to be a member of a dysfunctional family after all.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Not only is he underappreciated, but I have actually > been ridiculed for saying I was a big Gordon > Lightfoot fan on a couple of occasions. Some people > seem to have an out and out loathing for the man's > music. > I agree the chords on Beautiful are so achingly, > well, beautiful! > And early morning rain I think is one of the best > written songs of all time. > (Cotton) Jenny One of the first music books I ever bought was a Gordon Lightfoot book. One of the first songs I learned to play on guitar, and still one of my favourite Gord songs is "Pussywillows, Cat-tails". Beautiful lyrics and chord progressions on that one. Here are the lyrics from (and you can read the health news on GL at) http://www.gordonlightfoot.com/ Pussywillows, Cat-Tails, )1968 by Gordon Lightfoot Pussywillows, cat-tails, soft winds and roses Rainpools in the woodland, water to my knees Shivering, quivering, the warm breath of spring Pussywillows, cat-tails, soft winds and roses Catbirds and cornfields, daydreams together Riding on the roadside, the dust gets in your eyes Reveling, disheveling, the summer nights can bring Pussywillows, cat-tails, soft winds and roses Slanted rays and colored days, stark blue horizons Naked limbs and wheat bins, hazy afternoons Voicing, rejoicing, the wine cups do bring Pussywillows, cat-tails, soft winds and roses Harsh nights and candlelights, woodfires a-blazin' Soft lips and fingertips resting in my soul Treasuring, remembering, the promise of spring Pussywillows, cat-tails, soft winds and roses ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:45:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: ti a question? Mack writes: << What I don't understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their gloves >> Doctors put on gloves these day when they perform just about any procedure, whether it's surgery or the examination of bruises on a battered woman. I find it very hard to believe that this song is not about Jackson Browne's situation, no matter what Joni says. Also, I have had a very bad cold or allergies for the last few days so I haven't been keeping up with any of my e-mail, Joni list or regular. But for the record, I think boom boom pachyderm has a double meaning with drums and wee wees. At least that is what the Nyquil is telling me. Gotta go cough some more. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:53 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: ti a question? Get well soon Bob! I thought it was elephant trunks and wee wees. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:46 PM To: courtandspark@earthlink.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: ti a question? Mack writes: << What I don't understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their gloves >> Doctors put on gloves these day when they perform just about any procedure, whether it's surgery or the examination of bruises on a battered woman. I find it very hard to believe that this song is not about Jackson Browne's situation, no matter what Joni says. Also, I have had a very bad cold or allergies for the last few days so I haven't been keeping up with any of my e-mail, Joni list or regular. But for the record, I think boom boom pachyderm has a double meaning with drums and wee wees. At least that is what the Nyquil is telling me. Gotta go cough some more. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:09:11 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Gordon Lightfoot NJC Beautiful was our wedding song. Some people smirked but I don't think they were really listening to the song ... the music or the words. I'm always ridiculed for being a fan of Gordon Lightfoot also. I was so glad I had the opportunity to see him perform a couple of years ago in New Haven. It was a very beautiful show! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:19 PM To: Mags N Brei; BRYAN8847@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Gordon Lightfoot NJC Not only is he underappreciated, but I have actually been ridiculed for saying I was a big Gordon Lightfoot fan on a couple of occasions. Some people seem to have an out and out loathing for the man's music. I agree the chords on Beautiful are so achingly, well, beautiful! And early morning rain I think is one of the best written songs of all time. (Cotton) Jenny Mags N Brei wrote:--- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > > I heard on the radio that Joni's dear friend Gordon Lightfoot was > > hospitalized. (In Mags' hometown) > > Now Gordon, there's someone who is underappreciated AND underrated. > One of the finest singers of his generation and a very good > songwriter too. Have you listened to his ballad "Beautiful" from the > 70's? So lovely and touching, it brings a tear to the eye. now me: > Beautiful is probably my favourite Gordon song of all time. It is a simple song, and so tender and loving. Makes me cry too. Ah, Gordon, he's another Canadian artist that I love. I've seen him in concert at Massey Hall in Toronto only twice, and each time was magical. He's so damned good in concert, it's unreal. I thanked Jimmy offlist for posting this. While I did see the story yesterday via the Globe and Mail, it was nice to see him recognized here. It was a treat to see him speak at Joni's tribute in Toronto last year. He is a highly respected Canadian icon in the music industry, imho. And as I said to Jimmy, I hope he will be okay. He's only 63. Just an aside, I was wondering why on earth they took him to the medical centre in Hamilton and not to Toronto??? Mags npimh: Beautiful ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:07:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ti njc a question? - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Okay people. I have put off asking this question > since I have been here but > cannot do so anymore. All these mentions of TI have > put it into the player. > I love the tune "Not to Blame." > The first part of it is easy to > understand. What I don't > understand is the part that begins with the drs. and > their gloves. Does that > have to do with the same subject or is she talking > about something else here? > Made me think of abortion. Explain please. love, Here's my 2-cents on that. "600,000 doctors [that's a lot of docs!)] are putting on rubber gloves and they're poking at the miseries made of love. They say they're learning how to spot the battered wives, among all the women bleeding through their lives." It puts me in mind of an autopsy, or a coroner's inquest. It seems like every time a woman dies as a result of spousal abuse, everyone tries to figure out what happened, how was it allowed to get that far and so on. There have certainly been some horrendous cases in the last few years in my part of the world of husbands/lovers stalking their wives, ex-wives, girlfriends, whatever, and murdering them, sometimes not just them, but their kids or their parents or anyone close to the woman. And when you read about it later, and they're looking back on it, you often find out there was a history of abuse, and the guy had been stalking her for quite a while - and no one did anything about it, or if they did, it wasn't enough - injunctions don't work in this kind of extreme case. So there's an inquest or an investigation of some kind and everybody asks, why, why, why? and they try to fit it into some pattern, with the aim of making sure it doesn't happen again. But it does. So they keep on poking around at the miseries made of love, but they're not getting very far - they're just "learning" how to spot the battered wives. I think they already know that part, but they're not sure what to do about it, so they keep on poking away, looking for an answer. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:08:20 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: a lot of talk going on the the JMDL chat room Kate, Cindy, Yael, Pebbles and me are there now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: RE: Gordon Lightfoot NJC - --- Heather wrote: > Beautiful was our wedding song. Some people smirked but I don't > think they > were really listening to the song ... the music or the words. > I'm always ridiculed for being a fan of Gordon Lightfoot also. I was > so > glad I had the opportunity to see him perform a couple of years ago > in New > Haven. It was a very beautiful show! > I wonder why on earth there might be so much negativity aruond Gordon and his music? too gentle? what? beyond me. Heather, how lovely that Beautiful was your wedding song, a truly gorgeous piece. Why would anyone make fun of his fans for loving his soulful tunes? Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:18:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: $tarbuck$ NJC well, exactly where i ended up, of course! w - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mike Pritchard Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Septiembre de 2002 07:39 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar Asunto: RE: $tarbuck$ NJC >>oh but i was young and dashing in those days.<< wallyK Yeah, but where to? Mike en la cuidad condal. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:50:11 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC Bree's Beatles ? >The first to occur to me was 'She Loves You' > >(yeah, yeah, yeah...) > >Chuck Yeah...yeah... yeah....and the one I was thinking of was Eleanor Rigby. And you know there maybe more.... Bree >Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a bit...here is a great trivia >question that gets people thinking (and humming): Which Beatles song >starts >out with the chorus? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:11:26 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! > > Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a > > bit...here is a great trivia > > question that gets people thinking (and humming): > > Which Beatles song starts > > out with the chorus? > > > >Hey! Bungalow Bill! Good one...and indeed... this does start out with the chorus!! >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:07 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Katrin Cartlidge RIP njc > Heard today that Katrin Cartlidge has died at the appallingly early age > of 41. I never saw her on stage, but she was truly memorable in all > the films I saw her in, especially Mike Leigh's "Naked" and "Career > Girls", and in Breaking The Waves. After Charlotte Coleman's tragic > death from asthma last year, that's two great English character > actresses gone far too young. > > Very sad. > > Azeem in London Another gifted actress died. She was also brilliant as a TV reporter in the Oscar winner for Foreign Language: NO MAN'S LAND. And of course, she was great in NAKED opposite David Thewlis (wonder what's he up to now). Joseph a Mike Leigh fan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:26:43 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Pregnant Joni In the early 90's, a friend of mine and fellow Joniphile had heard from pals in LA that Joni was pregnant. And in the winter of 94, I caught the tale end of a news feature about women at the upper end of childbearing-age going through a medical procedure in order to ensure pregnancy. I happened to be in another room while the segment aired, and came in to view the very tail end of a clip of Joni saying something like "I'd go through it again..." or "I'd do it again..." Does anyone have any info about this? Did anyone else hear rumors to that effect? thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Low Subject: RE: My Intro To Joni Sybil concluded optimistically: >Well, hallelujah, maybe there's hope for the younger generation after all. Indeed!! My experience certainly supports this. My 17 year-old daughter Tegan enjoys Joni Michell, particularly the early songs (and knows the lyrics better than me!). Her favourite album is LOTC and she just loves that video snippet from the Dick Cavet (sp?) Show from 1969 "with all those hippies". She also surprised me recently by dipping into my Grateful Dead collection and, only last night, casually introduced the lyrics to Box of Rain into a conversation word perfect. And all this while she is still listening to current stuff! I think that, given the opportunity to be exposed to the earlier music, today's youngsters will explore widely and, as far as rock music is concerned, they have what us oldies never had - a tradition of riches (and rubbish of course) to mine! Best wishes, John (in Sydney) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:22:58 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni >Proof that Elvis Costello was heavily influenced: > >"Invisible shivers > running down my spine. > I don't know how >.... much more..... >.... of this..... >.... I can...... >.....take..... >She's >filing her nails >while they're >draggin' the..... >...... >lake. >She's watchin' the detectives." > > >Lama I also here he has covered 'Edith And The Kingpin'. STEVE T. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:35:09 -0500 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: gordon lightfoot (top five) I've been playin gordon's tunes since i learned guitar in the late 60's... something about the simplicity and beauty of great melodies and poetic lyrics... really appealed to me then, and now... i may have grown out of gordon a bit, but something always brings me back to his tunes my top five gordon tunes: go my way beautiful early mornin rain miguel ballad of yarmouth castle ( much better than the wreck of edmund fitzgerald, imho) same topic pussywillows cattails is also gorgeous lyrically and melodically, and if you could read my mind has some great stuff in it.... kenny rankin's version of pussywillows is superb saw my best friend's wedding the other night... thought the scene where julia robert's gay friend explains how they met and launches into a dionne warwick tune, with everyone chiming in perfectly, was hysterical... i think you super talented jmdl performers should do something like that at a jonifest at some point... enjoyed hearing about the festival... thanks to all someday soon, going to party, someday soon my first joni album, yes, vinyl, was blue, and i remember my dad making some wisecrack about it... carey and the title track mesmerized me most... but came to love songs like morning morgantown, michael from mountains, circle game, rainy night house... she's never been underrated in my book, or underappreciated... although lots of guys who dig rocknroll don't like her i guess... of course, i kinda like i'm so square (baby i don't care) isn't that kindof rocknroll? delurking for a moment alan ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #359 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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