From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #358 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 358 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: September 10 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today in History: September 10 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] transporter beam(njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] joni under-rated ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: About Joni being underrated! [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Mulholland Drive NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re Mullholland Drive NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Mulholland Drive NJC ["kakki" ] Barcelona NJC [colin ] Re: Blue Motel Room/ GM Hopkins - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Mulholland Drive NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: About Joni being underrated! [Catherine McKay ] Re: There's SomethingAbout Mary - njc [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: There's SomethingAbout Mary - njc [colin ] NJC Bree's Beatles ? [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mulholland Drive NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: transporter beam(njc) [Mags N Brei ] My Intro To Joni [Harry83house@aol.com] Re: My Intro To Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Mulholland Drive now Naomi Watts ["Garret" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Garret" ] Starbucks ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Starbucks [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: My Intro To Joni ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Starbucks ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: My Intro To Joni ["Amelio Alamo" ] Fwd: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) [jan ] Re: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Mitchell thesis*** ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Underrated? And Asheville, NC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Fwd: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) ["Lori in MD" ] 2 Queens CNN question njc [vince ] Gordon Lightfoot hospitalized (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: 2 Queens CNN question njc [] Asheville, NC (njc) [] Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) ["Lori in MD" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:07:31 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 10 On September 10 the following items were published: 1979: "Music extraordinaire" - Santa Barbara News Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790910sbnp.cfm 1979: "Rare talent, Joni sparkles in jazz" - San Mateo Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790910smt.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:07:31 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 10 1990: Starting on this day, Joni's paintings form a major part of "Canada In The City", an exhibition of Canadian art, music and culture at the Broadgate Centre in London. This exhibit runs through the 21st of the month. - ---- For the most complete reference to Joni's appearances, consult the Joni Mitchell Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:31:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: transporter beam(njc) oh victor HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH...yer on a roll! No....a gimlet is when you pour some gin into your eggs in the morning along with the cheese and veggies... Victor, still feeling some of that wacky energy from the chat room the other day ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:31:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni under-rated ange..lol but its true! ange wrote >>I find myself quoting joni songs when my friends are having a hard time - her lyrics are the bible - I mean, there seems no experience that a person can go thru that joni hasn't been thru and written a super song about. And that means nasty ex-boyfriends who cheated on you with your best friend - can NEVER escape the memory of you - cos there's always some sad joni song playing on some radio station someday that is gonna remind him of you....<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:22:39 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! "Bree Mcdonough" asks: >Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a bit...here is a great trivia >question that gets people thinking (and humming): Which Beatles song starts >out with the chorus? "Can't Buy Me Love," "Help," a few others, too, I think. - -Fred P.S. Bree ... I owe you CDs, I know ... please stand by, we're experiencing technical difficulties ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:49:15 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** Hi Immy, I don't know if anyone has mentioned to you off-line Bob Sarlin's book about singer-songwriters called, I think "Turn it up, I can't hear the music/words" or something like that. It is about 8 different singer-songwriters, few of whom I remember now but Laura Nyro was one of the others. It's an old book but it may have something for you. I have a copy in Wales if you really need it badly, although other listas will probably tell you if it's useful or not. I really can't remember much about it now, except it was about Joni's 'Blue' period. All the best, mike in barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:51:55 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Garret wrote >>When i first joined this list i made a point of saying that JM is the musical equivalent of GM Hopkins. << Would that be General Motors Hopkins or Genetically Modified Hopkins? mike in barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:54:11 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Bob S wrote >>Hey, speaking of senses of humor, I just saw "There's Something About Mary" for the second time. I was in tears-runnin-down-my-face stitches again over the slapstick scenes with the dog. And please don't mail me any animal rights/ politically correct cough medicine. << I'm not bothered here about the animal rights or political correctness. I film, IMHO was just not funny. In fact, it was very UNFUNNY. That it was (is?) the biggest box-office comedy in Spain is amazing to me and another sign that dumbing down is the predominant trend in modern cinema. Now, what David Lynch could have done with that scriptmike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:58:17 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive NJC Hi Jim/everyone, Just to add a couple of obvious comments. One, the fact that we jonilistas are always asking here "What does 'boom boom pachyderm' mean?" and "notches liberation doll"  what's that? suggests that we are not totally 'getting' joni's lyrics although we enjoy the songs. Why can't we enjoy the movie unless we can all make sense of it if we CAN enjoy the song when we don't understand the words? Second, 'nettles' is kakki's word, not mine and although I don't object to it, it seems to me that my question about the parking lot scene is simply an unclear part of the film to me, and it doesn't really 'bug' me in the way that 'nettles' suggests. I would venture the opinion that nobody can understand/get all the information on ANY movie in ANY single viewing. You spend two hours watching a movie that perhaps involves (a total of) years of effort on the part of many people. How can we expect to 'get it all'? An example; do any of you remember the scene at the beginning of the film 'My Darling Clementine' where Henry Fonda asks Walter Brennan a question, I think about where the town is. Do you remember what happens in the close up of Brennan's face? It's a fraction of a second but it sets up the whole movie. I didn't see it at first, but every time after that, it's crystal clear. OK, David Lynch ain't John Ford, but then who is? mike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:21:40 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re Mullholland Drive NJC Hi Franco, Thank you for your insight. If anybody else out there can pick up on your thoughts we're off to the races. What I suggest is the following: Task Force 1 head over the hills and check out the laughing senior citizens. TF2 mosey on up the creek to investigate the blue box. TF3, circle around the caboose and try to find out what's going on in the parking lot scene. TF4, your job is the little people who come shuffling out of the bag. TF5, form a posse and make sure the lesbian scene is ok with the sheriff and the mayor.We'll all meet up again at sundown and have a pow wow to explain the whole story to Lama at the corral. Any Questions? mike in barcelonaNPIMH "My Darling Clementine" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:04:03 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive NJC Hi Mike > Second, 'nettles' is kakki's word, not mine and although I don't object > to it, it seems to me that my question about the parking lot scene is > simply an unclear part of the film to me, and it doesn't really 'bug' me > in the way that 'nettles' suggests. It was Jim's word first! But I liked it! ;-) Some people adore Lynch, some don't get what the big fuss is about. I always wanted to like him because I like quirky, dreamy movies and don't mind a little darkness. But there is something missing in his work for me - what I've seen hasn't grabbed or intrigued me enough to want to ponder hidden facets. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:54:15 +0100 From: colin Subject: Barcelona NJC Hi mike-as you know e didn't make it to see you! We left Cardedeu on Tuesday afternoon. How did you find that storm? Pity we couldn't meet but I am glad we were ahead of schedule because we needed to be, as it turned out. The trip was a lot longer and more tiring than i expected. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:51:26 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room/ GM Hopkins - njc Garret wrote >>When i first joined this list i made a point of saying that JM is the musical equivalent of GM Hopkins. << Then mike in barcelona asked: >>Would that be General Motors Hopkins or Genetically Modified Hopkins?<< When I was moving last year, I found an old college poetry textbook and I discovered that years previously I had added quotations to the poet's middle name, so his name read Gerard "Manley" Hopkins. I thought it was funny, considering. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:32:23 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Yes Bob very interesting. I agree with most of Joni's choices too but what I will say is that;- TI should have not oppened with 'Sunny Sunday' and FTR needs it's track order re-aranged completely I think. I don't play it that much even though I like all of the songs on there! The best openers ever though are 'Overture' on DJRD, 'Harlam In Havanah' on TTT, 'Chinese Cafe..' on WTRF and 'In France They...' on THOSL. Best closers; 'Cactus Tree' on STAS, 'Both Sides Now' on Clouds, 'The Last Time I Saw Richard' on Blue and 'The Silky Veils Of Ardor on DJRD. This is just how I see it anyway. STEVE N.P: 'Brighter' Gemma Hayes >From: Bobsart48@aol.com >Reply-To: Bobsart48@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:42:16 EDT > >I'm about a week late posting this, but what the heck. > >Shiny Toys and Dancin Clowns > >"Jenny >I am STILL trying to figure out what to do with my life when I grow up, but >then I digress. LOL! Flat Tires is a great tune. I love that album. It's a >falling in love album (which is a good thing). How about Shiny Toys as a >least fave? Don't worry Don Rowe is gone and won't have a shit hemmorage >over that one.. HEH hee." > >OK. But you'll still have to deal with Bob S (for Senseofhumour). I like >Shiny Toys a lot. And I like Dancin Clown. Here I am bucking the two macho >icons of the JMDL (Paz and Bob Muller over). I like Joni's playful side (I >like the side on the inside of the FTR album jacket, too ;-)). > >There's Something About Joni > >Hey, speaking of senses of humor, I just saw "There's Something About Mary" >for the second time. I was in tears-runnin-down-my-face stitches again over >the slapstick scenes with the dog. And please don't mail me any animal >rights/ politically correct cough medicine. I've got two cats in the yard >(the two luckiest pets in the world - both adopted strays - following in >the pawsteps of our late poodle and other cat, who lived to age 15 or so). > >Also, does anyone else see a resemblance between the male characters in >TSAM >and us male characters in the JMDL. There's something about >Joni..............:-) > >The 80's Albums > >I am on record as reversing Bob Muller's ratings on the 80's albums (I >prefer CMIAR, then DED, the WTRF). Maybe I don't like when Joni's having >fun >with some other guy. And how can love be really solid in a year or two ? >Anyway, in order to show humility and do penance, I have been listening to >WTRF twice a week for the last month. I have a feeling I may change my >ratings before I am done....... again - as Joni sings in later version of >BYT ;-) > >I think Lucky Girl (more individually personal) would have made a better >closing cut to WTRF, and Love (more universal - the antidote to society's >darker side ?) a better closing cut to DED. (I realize that chronology >probably dictated against that). Still - what do you all think ? > >Opening and Closing Cuts > >I have found that, in designing a pleasurable album/CD, the musical artist >(like the golf course architect) needs to pay special attention to the >opening and closing cuts (holes). The opening should be substantial, but >inviting, to seduce and capture. The closing should be a dramatic, >memorable >statement, one of the best if not the best work of the creation. So it is >with my town's golf course (I'm a Lucky Guy). And so it is (I would say) >for >the most part with Joni's records. However, on some occasions, her close is >a simple or lighthearted goodbye (nothing so banal as "Her Majesty", but in >that vein). When that anitclimactic approach is taken, the penultimate cut >should be powerful. To refresh our memories: > >Album Opener Closer > >JM - STAS I Had a King Cactus Tree >Clouds Tin Angel Both Sides Now >LOTC Morning Morgantown Circle Game >Blue All I Want The Last Time I Saw >Richard >FTR Banquet Judgment of the Moon & Stars >C&S C&S Twisted >HOSL In France They Kiss.. Shadoiws & Light >Hejira Coyote Refuge of the Roads >DJRD Cotton Avenue Silky Veils of Ardor >Mingus God Must Be a Boogie Man Goodbye Pork Pie Hat >WTRF Chinese Cafi/ UM Love >DED Good Friends Lucky Girl >CMIAR My Secret Place A Bird That Whistles >Night Ride Home NRH Two Grey Rooms >Turblent Indigo Sunny Sunday Sire of Sorrow >TTT Harlem in Havana My Best to You >BSN You're My Thrill BSN > >I love Joni's choices, except as follows: > >Tin Angel - too much like I Had a King (which was a fine "here I am" for >album 1), and not inviting enough. Still, with 5 "relationship" songs, how >does one space them out ? Tin Angel, Chelsea Morning, I Don't Know Where I >Stand, Midway, The Gallery. Is this 5 different guys - on one album ? Maybe >she should have opened with a cover of I Get Around ....;-) > >Banquet - Feels wrong as an opener to me. I think I would have moved the >title song in first. (That produces some re-ordering issues; I would then >go >with Banquet, Barangrill, WOH&M, LIS, LTWCM, YTMOIAR, CBS&SF, BITB, >Electricity, SYS and JOTM&S). That would have retained a sequences that I >like - Lesson in Survival/ Let the Wind Carry Me and produced something of >a >5-song romance (JT ?) sequence right before the end. I know - I am not >worthy to comment on this. Still, ... > >Twisted - needs a killer before it (I think Down to You). > >A Bird That Whistles - really needs a big song in front of it. Joni was >apparently partial to Reoccurring Dream - I am not. Unfortunately, there is >no big song on the album. In fact, I think the album has a strong opening >but then sort of peters out. Hmmm. I still like it. Has she ever made an >album that was not at least very good ? (Mingus is my next project after >WTRF, though I like Goodbye PPH and Dry Cleaner a lot). > >TI - I would have opened with Sex Kills. > >TTT - I have a feeling I would have opened differently - perhaps with the >title song - but I find this album so homogeneous that it hardly matters. > >That's only 4 complaints, out of 34 total opening/closing choices (plus >wishing >for two improved penultimate cuts). I must have good taste, too. :-) > >Bob S _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:05:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive NJC *Why can't we *enjoy the movie unless we can all make sense of it if we CAN enjoy the *song when we don't understand the words? Good point, Mike, and the truth is that we CAN enjoy these things on a purely surface level. I think one has to determine if the artist intended it to have some kind of meaning, and progress from there. With Lynch, I think he just creates a pallette of images sometimes with no intention of coherent meaning. Just to stir the pot. Joni, meanwhile, is not the type to create something without some kind of meaning, so there's a much greater temptation to figure out what "your notches" etc. means. And thank the stars above for this forum where we can do that! Bob, loving all these good discussions... NP: David Baerwald, "Why" (possibly the album of the year thus far) PS: Lama, see "The Straight Story" if you have not already done so. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Great lesson, Anne!! I know nothing about song > structure except...I know a > good song when I hear one. > > Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a > bit...here is a great trivia > question that gets people thinking (and humming): > Which Beatles song starts > out with the chorus? > Hey! Bungalow Bill! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:39:57 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: There's SomethingAbout Mary - njc Mike replied "I'm not bothered here about the animal rights or political correctness. I film, IMHO was just not funny. In fact, it was very UNFUNNY. That it was (is?) the biggest box-office comedy in Spain is amazing to me and another sign that dumbing down is the predominant trend in modern cinema. Now, what David Lynch could have done with that scriptb&" mike in bcn I can appreciate your view, Mike. Indeed, I was really commenting only on the slapstick scenes - the rest of the movie was merely tolerable for me, in a "Barangrill" kind of way. I do not know why I laughed at those scenes - but I did. Once it makes you laugh, the scene wins (it's something I think's worth while, if the puppet makes you smile). Perhaps in exposing my infantile side, the scenes may have also made me squirm a bit at my foibles, in the way of the well-done sitcom. In any event, when the laugh is pure and involuntarily, one cannot in honesty deny it - although I suppose that one need not expose oneself publicly :-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:55:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: There's SomethingAbout Mary - njc Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Mike replied > > "I'm not bothered here about the animal rights or political correctness. I > film, IMHO was just not funny. In fact, it was very UNFUNNY. That it was > (is?) the biggest box-office comedy in Spain is amazing to me and another > sign that dumbing down is the predominant trend in modern cinema. Now, what > David Lynch could have done with that scriptb&" > mike in bcn > > I can appreciate your view, Mike. Indeed, I was really commenting only on the > slapstick scenes - the rest of the movie was merely tolerable for me, in a > "Barangrill" kind of way. I do not know why I laughed at those scenes - I am the sort of person who rarely laughs out loud at any comedy although I do enjoy them. However, this film had me laughing so hard, I thought i would die. I found a lot of it embarassing, which is why I laughed so hard I should think. Imagining oneself in those embarrassing situations made it all the more funny. The film was not supposed to be art nor high brow. It was just a very good laugh and used stuff we could all relate to or imagine. The opening scenes where he goes to meet Mary's parents and the disasters that befall him. so embarrassing and hilarious and the hair gel scene. Just thinking about these make me blush and laugh. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:40:33 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Bree's Beatles ? The first to occur to me was 'She Loves You' (yeah, yeah, yeah...) Chuck e. >This is the form most pop songs follow these days. It's >amazing to me when I listen to the radio to see this >form repeated over and over, song after song. A bridge >is used to change the pace a bit, grab the listener's >attention, and build momentum for a big chorus to >finish. Great lesson, Anne!! I know nothing about song structure except...I know a good song when I hear one. Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a bit...here is a great trivia question that gets people thinking (and humming): Which Beatles song starts out with the chorus? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:39:51 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** > Someone also reccomended watching the Come In From The COld video, which i > have not been able to find anywhere!! Can anybody help me??? I did a search > on the internet and as far as i can see, it doesn't seem to > exist! It's currently out of print, Immy. You can find it on E-bay, there's 1 or 2 out there right now (they are dubs though and not originals). I've got a copy, and would be happy to loan it to you or have a copy made if you like. Lemme know if I can help. Bob NP: Paul Weller, "Stanley Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:42:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive NJC "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > I apologize for being a bit high-minded and preachy in my rant on Mulholland > Drive. I really thought "Blue Velvet" was wonderful but he hasn't "given" > us a straight story before that or since. Though I haven't liked all of his work, Lynch is miles above most. Like the Coen Brothers, there are some missteps, but when they are on, they hit a bulls eye. When Blue Velvet first came out I left the theater with an obviously stunned look on my face. The manager came up to me and asked me what I thought. I told him it was the best film I had seen in a long time. He said he was relieved to hear me say that because he thought so, also, but was dismayed at how many people were walking out of the film. Lynch, like Joni, takes chances and never fears to challenge. To me, signs of a true artist. Jerry np: Crying (Llorando) - Rebekah Del Rio (from Mulholland Drive) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: transporter beam(njc) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Did you say CHAT ROOM???? > Coool! > > > Paz > > on 9/9/02 11:00 PM, Victor Johnson at waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > > > No....a gimlet is when you pour some gin into your eggs in the > morning > > along with the cheese and veggies... > > > > Victor, still feeling some of that wacky energy from the chat room > the > > other day yes my little joni friends, come to the chat room gong, where you too can laugh hysterically while staring at your screen with Victor, and new found follower of all things laughable, Kate. Victor is THE man, the meister of the new conversational technique, communicating through laughter only. Laughing and laughing, you know it's the same release. Must be a Johnson thang ;-) Magsula > > > > > > > > > >> > >> I thought that was a gimlet???? > >> > >> Paz > >> > >> > >>> A real simple drink Kakki. Tanqueray gin and Roses lime juice. > > Marvelous. > >>> Try one, you'll love it. > >>> > >>> Mack > > > > > > --- Victor Johnson > > --- waytoblu@mindspring.com > > "Roses wait for the springtime, > > They sleep beneath the ground. > > They hear March winds a callin' > > For the sun to come around."vlj > > > > Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:22:45 EDT From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: My Intro To Joni Well, I figured I'd come out of "lurkdom" and share the story of my introduction to Joni Mitchell. Like most people, I suppose, I knew her only from "Help Me" on the radio. (I actually thought she also sang "Midnight At the Oasis"...sorry, Maria Muldaur.) I also thought Joni and Judy Collins were the same person because of their enormous blue eyes on the covers of their "CLOUDS" and "JUDITH" albums, respectively. Anyway, obviously, I wasn't paying much attention. Then in the mid-80's, I left my family home in Georgia and moved to the metro NYC area where I got my dream job of working in a record store. When I started, vinyl LP's were still the dominant form of listening to music...we had only one small rack of CD's. By the end of the year, the industry had flip-flopped and EVERYTHING was CD's and we had only one small rack of vinyl...amazing. Two of my fellow employees were REALLY major Joni fans, a Joan Jett type married lady, named Mary, who always wore black, and a James Taylor type guy, Doug. I really liked Rickie Lee Jones...still do. Well, Mary and Doug, were determined to turn me on to Joni Mitchell. Mary would often give me a ride home after work and we'd sit in my room and listen to records she would bring from her home. One day, she brought a stack of Joni's records and said, "HERE! I'm leaving these and you just listen to 'em at your leisure...I KNOW you're gonna find SOMETHING you love!" Well, I ignored those records for a while and then one night, at Doug's house, he put on BLUE, and , I would be lying if I said I suddenly GOT it...but something intrigued me enough to go home and start listening to those Joni LP's Mary had left behind. MILES OF AISLES did it. Joni's high HIGH duet at the end of YOU TURN ME ON..., the CIRCLE GAME sing-along, the acoustic section with just Joni and guitar. Even the audience banter was mesmerizing. Well ,Mary had left all of Joni's albums from STAS through MOA and I memorized 'em all. BLUE ...a masterpiece. For a while, all my friends got copies of BLUE as a gift. Later, I purchased HEJIRA and my mind just exploded. Joni has been a part of my life ever since. I'll go down any road she leads. Joni fans, as my friend Jim likes to say, are "just so fanatical and militant!" ... I wouldn't go that far, but once you GET her (IF you get her) its like finding a new, AMAZING drug and you just want to shout out to the world, "YOU GOTTA TRY THIS! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT! NO HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS!" To me, Joni's closest musical compatriot is Stephen Sondheim...both are lyrically incredible and melodically non-traditional. Their songs often don't grab you immediately, but after several listenings, they have the ability to get under you skin and stay forever, uncovering new treasures about themselves from time to time. Well, this may be the longest e-mail I've ever written, but I just wanted to share my Joni story and to say a belated "Thanks" to Mary and Doug...wherever you are! Bye! Harry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:53:18 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni > once you GET her (IF you get her) its like finding > a new, AMAZING drug and you just want to shout out to the world, "YOU GOTTA > TRY THIS! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT! NO HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS!" > LOL! Great post Harry - thanks for the delurk, now that you're out, stay & play! "No harmful side effects" you say...sounds like you haven't been to a fest yet! :~) For me, I wasn't shouting out as much as just revelling in the fact that I 'got it' and was aware of something that most people didn't seem to. Made me feel special, or as they say down here, "spay-shul"... Bob NP: Ani, "Letter To A John" (live from her new one just out today...yes Alison I snuck out of work to get new Ani AGAIN!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:23:01 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: re: Mulholland Drive now Naomi Watts Oh my gosh, i saw the ring and the ring2 in the cinema!!! They creeped me out! I thought some of the appeal was the foreighn language!! Can't wait to see the English language version!! I had heard nothing about this, thanks Joseph. GARRET NP- Michael Stipe with Rain Phoenix, Happiness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:43:51 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Susan Guzzi wrote: >Starbucks plays Joni pretty regularly (ask my sister) This is true. I worked in Starbucks in London for two months last year and Carey, Blonde in the Bleachers, Coyote, Hejira, Come in from the Cold and Night Ride Home were played regularly! They also had Richard Thomson, Rufus Wainwright, Marianne Faithfull, Kate Bush and Leonard Cohen on the system regularly, and many many others! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:07:38 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Starbucks Yeah, Starbucks have good taste. Never heard Joni played there but I did hear Melissa Etheridge's version of 'Black Crow' played in Brighton which was cool. STEVE >From: "Garret" >Reply-To: "Garret" >To: >CC: >Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:43:51 +0100 > >Susan Guzzi wrote: > >Starbucks plays Joni pretty regularly >(ask my sister) > >This is true. I worked in Starbucks in London for two months last year >and >Carey, Blonde in the Bleachers, Coyote, Hejira, Come in from the Cold and >Night Ride Home were played regularly! They also had Richard Thomson, >Rufus >Wainwright, Marianne Faithfull, Kate Bush and Leonard Cohen on the system >regularly, and many many others! >GARRET _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:17:56 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbucks > Never heard Joni played there but I did hear Melissa > Etheridge's version of > 'Black Crow' played in Brighton which was cool. You're not talking about the Joni song are you? If so, do tell! :~) VP of Covers NP: Ani, "Cradle & All" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:18:56 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni I'm really enjoying the various intro to Joni stories. I wish I had some wonderful story, but it just seems like I always knew about her and liked the music. Blue came out the year I graduated high school, and I must have gotten it sometime shortly thereafter. I don't remember any apochryphal moment when I "got" it, I just always did I guess. Strange, maybe I sacrificed too many brain cells in the 70s. I'm also loving the young folks posting here. Reminds me of my 18 year old son. Lately, I've been relegated to listening to my vinyl Joni records because the CDs keep disappearing into his CD wallet! I know that he is forcing it on his friends as well. Just a couple days ago, one of his buddies, who frequently wears a Slipknot concert T-shirt, confided to me that he really liked that Joni Mitchell music that my son plays. Well, hallelujah, maybe there's hope for the younger generation after all. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:40:49 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Starbucks I sure am taking about the Joni song. Yes it was a cover. I heard that she covered it and what do you know I was in Starbucks and they played it. It was a bit different than Joni does it. It was a while ago and I only heard it once so I can't remember all that much. Sounded okay though. STEVE >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: amelio747@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Starbucks >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:17:56 -0400 > > > Never heard Joni played there but I did hear Melissa > > Etheridge's version of > > 'Black Crow' played in Brighton which was cool. > >You're not talking about the Joni song are you? If so, do tell! :~) > >VP of Covers > >NP: Ani, "Cradle & All" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:48:33 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni Sybil, that's so funny LOL. What's the deal with people peeing over each other on stage anyway? Has that really got anything to do with music I ask. Peace. STEVE >From: "Sybil Skelton" >Reply-To: "Sybil Skelton" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:18:56 -0500 > >I'm really enjoying the various intro to Joni stories. I wish I had some >wonderful story, but it just seems like I always knew about her and liked >the music. Blue came out the year I graduated high school, and I must have >gotten it sometime shortly thereafter. I don't remember any apochryphal >moment when I "got" it, I just always did I guess. Strange, maybe I >sacrificed too many brain cells in the 70s. > >I'm also loving the young folks posting here. Reminds me of my 18 year old >son. Lately, I've been relegated to listening to my vinyl Joni records >because the CDs keep disappearing into his CD wallet! I know that he is >forcing it on his friends as well. Just a couple days ago, one of his >buddies, who frequently wears a Slipknot concert T-shirt, confided to me >that he really liked that Joni Mitchell music that my son plays. Well, >hallelujah, maybe there's hope for the younger generation after all. > >Sybil > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:42:34 -0700 From: jan Subject: Fwd: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/noelle.bush/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:15:31 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) In a message dated Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:42:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, jgyn@muse.sfusd.edu writes: > http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/noelle.bush/index.html I can believe that! Wouldn't you smoke crack if you had one of them Bushes for a Dad? ;~P Bob NP: Ani, "Rock Paper Scissors" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:47:13 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Joni Mitchell thesis*** i think Turbulent Indigo(94) is joni's most "feminist" release - Magdalene Laundries and Not to Blame in particular. she has quoted shakespeare in interviews saying "the play can catch the conscious of the king", i think these songs are a good example of that. on morning becomes eclectic "94 (available in cd from bob muller) she discusses this theory in length when asked about sinead's ripping the pope's picture - she considered that act too divisive. i think that interview would be very helpful. Count me in on those who would like to read this when its done good luck. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:42:57 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Underrated? And Asheville, NC > about Joni being underrated Joni is not underrated; she is widely considered by at least two generations of critics as one of the most important, influential, talented and strikingly original musicians of her time. But she is vastly underappreciated by the public and by the powers that be in the radio business (and that's a different thing than underrated). Now for some NJC - Recently I visited Asheville, North Carolina. If you've not been there, and you can go, by all means do. What a cool place, with a totally charming downtown with lots of great old buildings, cool shops, etc. Very funky. There was some kind of hippy/artsy festival in town when I was there, and there was a somewhat spontaneous percussion ensemble performance on the town square, with about 15 percussionists. Joni would have loved it. I wore my Turbulent Indigo t-shirt that night and a few people nodded or grinned as a result. In fact, I did a whirlwind tour of North Carolina and loved the whole place, from Cape Fear to the Smoky Mountains. Bryan Seattle Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:50:13 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Fwd: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) What I want to know is: what's up with her HAIR??? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:23:15 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Fwd: John is better than Noelle NJC I thought you might all like to download John Gorka's entire CD. He has placed it at his site. Enjoy...I am always about 6 months behind so you all may have this by now. LOL http://johngorka.com/ Love and Peace....Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:13:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Starbucks sjc i once heard joni's dry cleaner from des moines at the one on broadway and (maybe) 101st. i was standing in line, rehearsing some typically complex starbucks order. (how very trying!). suddenly, joni! i started to sing along, and the very handsome stranger behind me asked me if that was ... joni mitchell!!!!! i was immediately won and we became lovers that very afternoon. eventually i found out that he was an aging actor from new jersey who had missed an audition in manhattan on my account. oh but i was young and dashing in those days. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:15:41 -0400 From: vince Subject: 2 Queens CNN question njc CNN is doing an upcoming story about what North Carolina is going to do with two queens, and I was not aware the ether Bob Murphy or Wally K were in North Carolina. I await the story with great interest; I know whatever the story is Bob and Wally will both have better hair than the Bush daughter, who appears to need a weed wacker. vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:22:20 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Gordon Lightfoot hospitalized (NJC) I heard on the radio that Joni's dear friend Gordon Lightfoot was hospitalized. (In Mags' hometown) I found the following article on the internet: http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/08/lightfoot.hospitalized/index.html HAMILTON, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian singer-songwriter Gordon Lightfoot was in stable condition Sunday night after undergoing surgery for an undisclosed illness, hospital officials said. The 63-year-old singer canceled a scheduled appearance Saturday in his hometown of Orillia, Ontario, north of Toronto, and went to a hospital after complaining of severe abdominal pain, said Rick Haynes, a family friend and bass player in Lightfoot's band. Lightfoot was flown to McMaster University Medical Centre in Hamilton about 1:30 a.m. Sunday, hospital spokesman Jeff Vallentin said. Doctors operated on him Sunday morning, and he was in stable condition in the intensive care unit Sunday night, Vallentin said. The spokesman would not disclose details of Lightfoot's illness. "The family has asked that no information be given this time," he said. Lightfoot has won 17 Juno awards, the Canadian music industry's top honor, and received the Governor General's Award for the Performing Arts in 1997. He hit the U.S. pop charts in 1970 with the song "If You Could Read My Mind." His 1976 ballad about the sinking of a Great Lakes cargo ship, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," reached No.2 on the Billboard charts. Other hits include "Carefree Highway" and "Sundown." I sure hope he's okay. I know how much it meant to Joni that he spoke at her Hommage in Toronto last October. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:22:43 -0400 From: Subject: Re: 2 Queens CNN question njc I wasn't aware that they accepted blue queens. Victor in Asheville VP of HAHAHAHAHAHA CNN is doing an upcoming story about what North Carolina is going to do with two queens, and I was not aware the ether Bob Murphy or Wally K were in North Carolina. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:27:11 -0400 From: Subject: Asheville, NC (njc) Now for some NJC - Recently I visited Asheville, North Carolina. If you've not been there, and you can go, by all means do. What a cool place, with a totally charming downtown with lots of great old buildings, cool shops, etc. Very funky. Very apt description. I've been living here since March and love it love it love it. Of course I make a lot of road trips but then I always get to come back home to big green mountains and a cool bohemian downtown. Look me up if you're coming to this charming town of Western Carolina. Victor in Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:35:33 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** > Count me in on those who would like to read this when its > done Me too, Immy...maybe you can just set up a link from the JMDL when it's finished...I'm sure Les will help you out with this, because: a) He's a computer whiz & all-around good guy; b) We just gave him a big chunk of cash! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "You Had Time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:41:27 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni Sybil, I am waiting for my 17 year old daughter to "get" Joni. She recently switched to a punk/alternative taste and some of her friends are into Joni influenced artists like Elvis Costello. My poor daughter has listened to Joni since she was in the womb, so maybe that is why she resists. My almost 18 year old foster daugther will never have any taste as she goes with what the crowd thinks is cool and not what she really likes. I feel bad for her needing this approval of her music. That was one thing that I never did as a youngster, but then I, like you, was raised in a magical time for music, the 60's. Thanks for sharing your story, Sue n.p. "Oh, Canada" Five Iron Frenzy _____________________________________________________________ Play the Elvis. Scratch & Win for your chance to instantly win $10,000 Cash - - a 2003 Harley Davidson. Sportster. - 1 of 25,000 CD's - and more! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail_scratch_tl/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020801/index.asp?tc=7087 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:49:57 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell thesis*** Which is why we have the Electronic Thesis and Dissertation Committee nationally. I've been a member for years and encourage all to be written and submitted this way. We have been requesting Universities and Colleges to make it a requirement. Jerry NR - Running With Scissors - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:36 PM To: davidsapp@peoplepc.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** > Count me in on those who would like to read this when its > done Me too, Immy...maybe you can just set up a link from the JMDL when it's finished...I'm sure Les will help you out with this, because: a) He's a computer whiz & all-around good guy; b) We just gave him a big chunk of cash! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "You Had Time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:57:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) In a message dated 9/10/2002 2:16:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > I can believe that! Wouldn't you smoke crack if you had one of them Bushes > for a Dad? ;~P > ......and I just heard on the news that Jeb has requested the polls stay open an extra two hours today because of voting machine problems (AGAIN this year). Oh if only Marcel were here to tease me about my wonderful state of Florida :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:55:09 +0200 From: "patricia van nunen" Subject: my intro to Joni Hi everyone, I would like to add my little intro to Joni on the list here. A dear friend gave me the LP "Blue" on my birthday in 1980.( I just turned 15...) I was still a little girl,living in a little village,and I was not ready for this kind of music.(My dear friend knew me better than I knew myself.)The song that touched me the most at that time was "Last time I saw Richard" because I imagined how it would be at an older age "hiding behind bottles in some dark cafe".I know now how it feels...Anyway, I spear you the long and boring details. Other highlights in the soundtrack of my life: the discovery of "Miles of Ailes".It was given by the same friend as my wedding gift in 1988.(The man is gone but Joni's still here.:7)) Then the "Hejira-DJRD" combination was revealed years later in my "search for who-I-am and where-to-go era". These two discs still blow me away."Hejira" for the lyrics,the sound and the overall impression I get from this album.It's overwhelming and transcending at the same time."DJRD" for the intense and overwhelming Jaco Pastorius on bass: he's the only bassplayer in the world who can make me cry the whole night.Why? In my humble opinion he plays with his soul,he&his bass are one,and he's really responding to Joni's lyrics when she's singing. It's an amazing co-existence(sp?)At the end of the rainbow I've found the rest of her albums, and now I am a big girrl,and it all makes sense. And the JMDL is the pot of gold. Love. Patricia. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:21:11 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: jeb bush's daughter smokes crack (njc) Jimmy wrote: > ......and I just heard on the news that Jeb has > requested the polls stay open an extra two hours > today because of voting machine problems (AGAIN > this year). Jesus H. Kee-rist on a raft! Jeb has had nearly two years to have his people get the damn machines fixed! How difficult can it be??? Or is he holding out for Shrub's reelection bid in 2004? I can't stand any of them. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:14:58 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: re: Mulholland Drive NJC As a twin peak geek I have gone to see DL's movie's as they come out. I went to see MD at a new Downtown Theatre in a new modern Office Tower where for a very long time once stood a cool wine bar called the Vat and Tonsure where Boho's would sip Merlot or single malts and listen to only the best Classical, Jazz and of course Joni,ydkwygti gone!. But back to the Movie First I sit down in my best Eddie Bauer outfit and the best dark chocolate truffles from See's Candies when two street kids smelling of Cigs sit right next to me ugh The Good, me (the bad and the ugly them) I thought the main arrow of this movie was the spoof of "A star is blended" in a biting bizarre way. The Tale Of Two Lives also happens in this movie. As an Architect who has seen my town Portland, Oregon from the Lives of the Rich and Famous who live in the "West Hills " to the tenants of Crack Alley who live in "Old Town".The Theatre scene in this Movie relates back to Willy the Shake as all the world is a wierd stage.The predream story of an actress fit's, as the beginning acting is so much like an innocent/ Aaron Spelling situtation drama dressed up like a Homosexual "threes company". Brian NP Billy Joel Fantasies & Delusions ??????????? - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #358 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)