From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #355 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 355 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: September 8 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today in History: September 8 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Joni's house in Architectural Digest, oh so long ago 100% jc ["Jim L'Homm] "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] That Song About The Mention ["William" ] Re: Jonifest 2002 Joni Video [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" ["Mark or Travis" ] a travelogue and joni Mondegreens (again) ["J.David Sapp" ] RE: picture of HENRY!!! (njc) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Films NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Kate Bennett" ] calling all chatlings [Mags N Brei ] Re: That Song About The Mention [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room NJC ["Garret" ] the lyrics board ["Garret" ] a question NJC ["Garret" ] Introductions to Joni ["Garret" ] Re: a question NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Introductions to Joni ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: picture of HENRY!!! (njc) [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Introductions to Joni [Jenny Goodspeed ] Joni new release [Chuck Eisenhardt ] yes njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Magdalene Laundries [Rick and Susan ] Films NJC [] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Introductions to Joni ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** [Michael Paz ] Re: Films NJC [] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again (The Sequel)" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Joni's house in Architectural Digest, oh so long ago 100% jc Joni's house was featured in an article in Architectural Digest long ago. When I bumped into Pearl Weisberg who collects Joni stuff, she mentioned that she didn't have the issue. Pearl, for you and for anyone else who's interested, it was the "July/August 1976" issue, published in Los Angeles, California, USA. Have fun. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 03:45:48 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" Did anyone catch this sentence from the USA Today article? "Mitchell designed the packaging, which features examples of her paintings, a book and extensive liner notes." Does she mean a "booklet" within a CD jewel box or is one of Joni's book project coming out with "A Travelogue"? "Lazyasz@aol.com" said, >>Oh, i'm sure many will accuse Joni of further coasting and resting on laurels but I think this project has the potential to be something really special.>>>> I agree with you that it could be special AND with the idea that she may be resting on her laurels. I mean, just LOOK at all of the horsepower behind this project! Meaning, Joni, Herbie, Larry, & Vince. Throw in an orchestra and a PROVEN recording venue. Holy cow, how can she miss? Oh, I forgot Wayne Shorter! Again, holy cow! Timetable for those napping: November 2002: "A Travelogue", 2-CD set in stores. January 2003: Alison Ander's film documentary about the making of "A Travelogue", (tentative). March 2003: Public Broadcasting System's (PBS) film about Joni is due to be aired in their American Masters Series. What could be better? Maybe a handful of dates in February? :) I'm feeding the "piggybank" tonight, saying my prayers, and crossing myself. Lamadoo now playing (np): Herbie's solo on "I'm Happy When I'm With You" ps, I still think "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" is an appropriate nickname! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 04:08:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Subject: Mulholland Drive NJC Michael Pritchard asked: >>>>>I've just seen the movie and enjoyed it immensely. Anybody out there who can talk me through it?>>>>> Okay, but remember, you asked for it! Act1: ===== Scene1: Ooh, wouldn't it be suspenseful if this couple is opening the trunk of a cab, as seen from a distance atop a hill? Scene2: Ooh, what if I hire an older couple to laugh in a vaguely menacing way? Will anyone notice that they have absolutely no significance at all? Scene3: What if I spend countless minutes with the SteadiCam, walking down hallways? Act2: ===== Ooh, wouldn't it be suspenseful if we see a weepy woman singing in the middle of the night, inexplicably in front of a packed theatre? Act3: ===== Ooh, wouldn't it be kinky and confusing if I drop in this 'Jealous Lesbian Triangle' subplot near the end? You don't think anyone will notice that there's no film here, do you? [THE END] Michael, how can you "enjoy" it if you didn't "GET" it? Lynch is NOT high-minded. Lynch is NOT a magician. Lynch is the biggest one-note-rip-off ever given a blank check. You were TAKEN, Michael! Wake up! Lama Like I said, "You asked for it." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 04:37:40 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Thesis on Joni Mitchell I would suggest Karen O'Brien's bio entitled "Shadows and Light". I use it when writing essays to keep my timelines on track. Karen gets the "What" right but doesn't really do anything scholarly with it. As such, it's a perfect companion piece to support the kind of analysis that you will write. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 07:59:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** **e.g. what songs do you think it would be important for me to look at within this context?** Welcome to you, Immy! And good luck with the thesis. We've helped a couple of other thesis-writers in times past...A couple of songs I would throw out there for you to look at: Woman Of Heart & Mind (For The Roses) Jericho (Don Juan's Reckless Daughter) Hejira (Hejira) Of course, brilliant Joni songs about relationships would make for a VERY long list. Also as far as I know there is no mention of pachyderms in any of these tracks! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:32:16 +0100 From: "William" Subject: That Song About The Mention ALANIS MORISSETTE Jagged Little Pill - 1995 'Your House' (unlisted bonus track) I was looking through 'Songs That Mention Joni' and noticed the above song 'Your House' which wasn't on the cassette I bought (pirate no doubt). Wait a minute man! Is that album really seven years old? Also, PRINCE Crystal Ball - 1997 'Circle Of Amour' Curious to find out the references to Joni in these, anyone. You live you learn. WtS - away message 'gone to seed' temporarily de-activated ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:54:11 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2002 Joni Video In a message dated 9/7/2002 1:52:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: > With all the post-Jonifest thank-yous coming round, I just felt I had to > chime > in here and thank the individuals responsable for putting together this > great > Joni video for us. Thank you - whoever you are! > That would be me, Michaelo. I thought it would be a nice gift for the attendees of Jonifest. Glad you've been enjoying it. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:00:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" > ps, I still think "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" is an appropriate > nickname! > I don't know, Jim. Maybe she's thinking that her life as an artist became a travelogue and her songs are picture postcard charms. ;-) Mark E. in Seattle (hoping that 'Swan Song' idea was just a false alarm....) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:21:05 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** Hi Immy and welcome! I just wanted to say that it sounds like an interesting thesis (not that I am biased :-) And I wanted to say that Joni appears to take a similar stance to gender as I do...and that is that there is equality as difference and not as sameness. In the US most people look at equality as being the same as, however I think in terms of gender that it is more beneficial to look at it as being different because um there are actually differences! From what I have seen Joni appears as if she may take this approach too (although I am no authority to say for sure!). There is some article where she talks about not wanting to be associated with any kind of 'ism' but I can't remember what it was. Anyway that is my 2 cents...lol. Be happy to read it when it is finished and good luck! Nikki > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Doman, Iruma > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:34 PM > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** > > > Hi everyone! > My name is Immy and i am a new member of the JMDL discussion > list. I joined, > partly because i am a huge Joni Mitchell fan, but also because i am > currently writing my thesis -and it is on Joni!!! > I am a university student in my final year and my thesis is on > Joni Mitchell > and issues of gender. Joni is particularly interesting to look at within > this context, because she embodies so many contradictions and she > has had a > complex and interesting relationship with the Feminist movement. > I am going > to look at how she is distinctive in expressing/exemplifying a > strong woman > (e.g. by breaking new ground in the music industry which, at the time, was > comlitely male dominated; by retaining such a great degree of control over > her career, album covers; by becoming one of the most important women in > rock and one of the most important songer-songwriters in the > history of pop > music, etc), but not necessarily in feminist terms. When questioned about > the feminist movement in interviews, Joni has repeatedly stated that she > does not identify with it, because she finds it too 'apartheid' and she > feels it can potentially create a greater rift between the sexes. However, > she is undoubtedly an extremely strong and independent woman and even > considered by some to be a feminist role model. Many of her > lyrics are also > open to feminist interpretations. > I am going to look at the ways in which she presents > relationships, the self > etc. I will look at whether all her songs are gendered, and if > many are not, > are they still gendered because of the image she projects? > > At the moment, i am in the research stage and i have a lot of > ideas floating > around, but not much order to them yet. > > The reason i am writing to you all, is that i am really interested in any > feedback you have or ideas/opinions on these topics. ANYTHING > that could be > of help would be very much appreciated. e.g. what songs do you think it > would be important for me to look at within this context? Are there any > specific books/articles/interviews/people i should contact that could help > me with my research. (I have already read most of the articles on the JMDL > website, as well as most of the books published on Joni Mitchell. > However, i > don't want to get bogged down with too much background information either, > as the thesis has to be a maximum of 8000 words long, so i have to stay > focused to my argument on the issues of gender.) If anyone wants want to > write to me with any ideas, please e-mail me on > idoman@middlebury.edu. Also, > if anyone is interested in reading a copy of my thisis when it is > finished, > please let me know! (although it won't be completed it until April '03!). > I look forward to hearing from you. > Best wishes, > Immy > > > floating around, but not much order to them yet. significant and > influential > female singer-songwriters in the history of ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:40:26 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: a travelogue and joni Mondegreens (again) well since chinese cafe is on the new disc can we assume "have a dreary little christmas" bit the dust? Christmas is sparkling Out on Carol's lawn i have been listening to hejira since its release - until just a few weeks ago i thought - And you're up early on your ranch was And you're a girlie on your ranch it never made sense since coyote was a man - but anyway....... peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > (hoping that 'Swan Song' idea was just a false alarm....) hope so too Mark, and once again I will chime in and say that we in for a real treat if the CDs are anything like the demos we heard in Toronto last October. Joni's voice was in fine form and there was nary a dry eye in the house! I know that some of us are perhaps hoping for new material and to me , it's okay that she's doing her own covers, because her voice is so different now, so in a way, it is new. Mags npimh: Paprika Plains and for real: the Eagles game ;-) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:57:09 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Bree wrote: >I'm so glad you guys are here and love joni!! IT makes me happy to know a >young person (teens/twenties) dig her music.> Hi Bree! Just wanted to mention that I have been a Joni fan since I was a wee little one, but my appreciation and love for her talent has increased greatly mainly over the past 7 years, starting when I was 21, I am now 28....my point and the good news is, I'm proud to say I think I have had something to do with successfully converting several cynical gen-Xers into Joni lovers. There are alot of us out there! We don't all listen to Britney and Limp Bizkit :) Oh and do I dare admitt to it but I have to agree with the Muller school of thought on the "pachyderm" issue......(although like many lyrics it probably points to a couple different things). BMR has always been a pretty sexy song to me...so I never gave this lyric a 2nd thought. Bummed I missed the Fest and a chance to meet you...mayybe next year. Erica NP: Peter Tosh :One Love Peace Concert (Live) whooo-eee it's good _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:59:55 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: picture of HENRY!!! (njc) YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO send that!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH :-) He was so cute! :-) hehe... Love Nikki > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Christina Friis-Nielsen > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 4:55 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: picture of HENRY!!! > > > I have a VERY nice picture of Henry from Full Moon Resort if any > of the women > (or men) who attended JoniFest 2002 should be interested... > Nikki, I know you > are!! ;o) > > Hugs, > Christina > > P.S. If interest calls for it (and Chris will tell me how to), > I'll scan it - > to put on Chris' website. I also have other great snapshots of > people playing, > performing, hugging, saying goodbye... - -( ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:18:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Films NJC >>Also adore her singing "smelly cat."<< lol, me too! especially when she was teaching the finer points of that song's phrasing to chrissie h! i love to sing this song to little kids from time to time & it always gets them giggling... saw my big fat greek wedding- it was soooo funny! i'd read this movie came about when tom hanks' wife saw this woman (the lead actress) doing a one woman comedy routine in a small club talking about her family... saw muholland drive awhile back too...okay, its david lynch so don't even TRY to understand it...he's waaaay out there... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:18:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >>I will never understand why she is so under-rated.<< I always feel that I have to say something when this subject comes up & it does from time to time...I can see how someone might understandably think this since we rarely hear Joni being played on commercial radio (which is not what it used to be so that is no longer a very good rating marker). But from where I stand, I don't think Joni is under-rated at all. I think she is highly regarded, especially among musicians, but this may be much more obvious to those who grew up listening to her music as it was being released. In her day, Joni was HUGE. HUGE. And she still regarded as one of the finest songwriters ever to walk this earth. But a musicians career has its own rise & fall & this is true for everyone. However, I am thrilled to see more & more younger folks joining in who have discovered her music on their own which I think is SO amazing! Just shows how timeless & extraordinary Joni's music is. ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: calling all chatlings for those of us NOT watching the Eagles game.... the chat room is now open ! Kate, you wanna come outside and play? ;-) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:52:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: That Song About The Mention > **ALANIS MORISSETTE Jagged Little Pill - 1995 > 'Your House' > (unlisted bonus track)** I've not heard it, Willy, but there's a line that references her getting her Joni Mitchell records. > > PRINCE Crystal Ball - 1997 > 'Circle Of Amour' I suppose this one is a tad more obscure...firstly, if you listen to the song, it's an acoustic guitar song written in very much of a Joni (TI-era) style. The song is about 4 friends growing up, and there's a line about them getting 'caught up in that Circle Game'...Since Prince is a Joni freak like us, it's fairly obvious obvious that the reference is to Joni's song. Always grand to hear from you Willy! Bob NP: Joni, "Magdalene Laundries" 9/23/94 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:56:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room **Oh and do I dare admitt to it but I have to agree with the Muller school of thought on the "pachyderm" issue......** Atta girl, Erica! Come on down in the gutter with me - always room for one more! LOL! You're right, BMR *is* a very sexy song, from the way she illiterates "sticks like cellophane" to the way she coo's "Honey tell 'em ya got germs...", it's pretty steamy. Wait til you hear Karin Allyson's brand new version of it - one of my "Sweet Sixteen" favorites. Bob NP: Joni, "Hejira" 9/23/94 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:36:47 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room NJC Funny you should mention Fiona Apple, Azeem. She is one of those artists that i adore (ohhh, there are so many of them), and over the years i've read quite a few interviews in magazines with her. In the past week i've been sorting through my bedroom in an effort to find a misplaced cd (live through this by Hole.....just when im need of some angry music, lol) and reread some of these. In the media frenzy leading up to "When the Pawn....." she was quoted often saying things like " i look words up in teh dictionary/thesauras/phrase books etc". She said she often uses those books that explain word origins. The example given is the same one you gave Azeem!!! "my derring-do allows me to dance the rigadoon around you, but by the time i'm close to you i lose my desideratum....." I think Alanis Morissette also deserves kudos for getting the phrase "supposed former infatutoin junkie" into the song So Pure GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:45:08 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: the lyrics board There is an Irish tv show called the Lyrics Board on RTE. It's been popular for years and was recently relaunched with Linda Martin (won the Eurovision for Ireland with the Jonny Logan written Why Me). I believe it has translated successfully to other countries and that Michael Barrymore (funny funny man, even if he did handle things badly lately) is currently in talks to host a BBC version!! The basic idea is that two celebrity teams try to guess which song a lyric is from. The lyric is given word by word up to a total of six words. Each time the team makes a guess they have to sing the given song. Think a family entertainment version of Never Mind The Buzzcocks (don't you just love that show??) Its on right now:) In one of the bonus rounds they have three people say something and the team have to guess which one is telling the truth. This round had two girls and guy say " I do the best Joni Mitchell on the west coast". LOL. The gentleman was telling the truth. As the teams were guessing the house band launched into BSN!! SO the man sang it on prime time Irish tv!!! Well now, i never! GARRET (who just learned that Neil Diamonds son is in Beastie Boys; well, i never!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:55:51 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: a question NJC Who is Matthew Sweet? Worth checking out? GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:51:56 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Introductions to Joni Bree asked: Did you guys post how you were introduced to Joni? If not, I would be interested to know? I know there are some wonderful stories to be told in answer to this question. We've heard a lot of them before. Let's hear them (again, if necesary)- not just from the younger crowd, but from everyone:) Go on, indulge me:) Bree also mentioned attempts to introduce/convert others! Let's here how friends/partners react to this. I know we've had these discussions before, but they are timeless!! GARRET NP- Joni, Judgement of the Moon and Stars ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:58:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a question NJC Who is Matthew Sweet? Worth checking out? Tuneful power pop, Garrett. Get "Girlfriend", then you have all the Matthew Sweet you'll ever need. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:24:58 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Introductions to Joni I second that Garret. Great idea. It is great to see all the new folks here. Mack np: Tina Turner-Simply the Best ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:22:47 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Hi Bree, No all I have is 'Painting With Words And Music' on video which is just great. But, yes I would love to see her live. The chances of her doing the UK seem slim though. STEVE >From: "Bree Mcdonough" >To: amelio747@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:27:52 -0400 > >>I was drawn to them by the art-work and had to buy one. I got 'Hits' to >>start with. > >This is interesting: Joni would love this... the fact you were drawn to her >intially because of her artwork. Whatever gets us there..huh? > >Because of your young age, I'm guessing you have never seen her in concert? > I have not seen her since 1976 (I was five only ;-))...let us hope she >makes a few stops promoting this new release. > >Glad you are here!! > >Bree > > > > > > >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>>>http://www.hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:27:03 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Re: picture of HENRY!!! (njc) In a message dated 9/8/2002 2:00:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stealth@voicenet.com writes: > YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO send that!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH :-) He was so > cute! :-) hehe... > Heh, heh. And WHY exactly do you think Jonifest is held at Full Moon? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Introductions to Joni Garret, great idea! I had been reminiscing about the time I found Joni a few nights back - such a sweet time. It was 1986 and I just got my driver's license so I was spending alot of time driving around and listening to the local oldies station in my hometown in upstate New York. I remember driving up the last big hill in my neighborhood on the way to my house and Help Me came on the radio. From the first chord I was in such awe of what I was hearing I actually had to pull over to the side of the road to listen to the rest of the song. Who IS this???!!!, I was asking myself. The song finished and the D.J. identified the song and singer - Joni Mitchell, from the album Court and Spark. Wow. Never even heard her name before. A few weeks later I was driving around town again and Free Man and Paris came on the radio. I wasn't forced to pull over this time, but I was listening again in awe, thinking, WOW who's this?! Well, the D.J. again said Joni Mitchell from her album Court and Spark. WELL, I thought I have to go buy Court and Spark then! So I picked it up at the record store, brought it home, and put it on the turntable. I listened to the song Court and Spark and was just floored - it just cracked open my musical world. I listened to that song alone over and over for the next hour. Then for the rest of the night, I just played the first three songs on C&S over and over and over....sigh, it was love at first sight...er listen. Yes indulge us everybody, I would love to hear about everyone's "first time". ; ) Jenny Garret wrote: Bree asked: Did you guys post how you were introduced to Joni? If not, I would be interested to know? I know there are some wonderful stories to be told in answer to this question. We've heard a lot of them before. Let's hear them (again, if necesary)- not just from the younger crowd, but from everyone:) Go on, indulge me:) Bree also mentioned attempts to introduce/convert others! Let's here how friends/partners react to this. I know we've had these discussions before, but they are timeless!! GARRET NP- Joni, Judgement of the Moon and Stars Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:20:40 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Joni new release In todays' NYTimes amid thumbnails of fall record releases: JONI MITCHELL Her latest will be a double album of new material, with a string orchestra, jazz musicians (her friends Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock) and possibly many other superstars who have been said to pass through the studio. Nov 19 Reprise. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:50:00 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: yes njc Sampras and Williams at the U.S. Open. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:38:27 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Magdalene Laundries Here's a story in The Globe And Mail with a slight Joni connection albeit without a mention of her or her song: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20020908/wvenice /Front/homeBN/breakingnews Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:28:03 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Films NJC > I've just seen the movie and enjoyed it immensely. Anybody out there > who can talk me through it? Help,mike in bcnNP Paul Robeson 'Joe Hill' I watched this film only last night with two friends. Somehow the film is best watched when you have people around so you can confirm things. Two thirds of the film has quite a linear flow, but the last one-third (especially when Laura Elena Harding a.k.a. Rita a.k.a. Camilla) drove all of us nuts. Just when we thought we had it figured out (i.e. the stories of Camilla and Diane Selwyn are linear but they were played by the actresses who earlier were known as Rita and Betty)... Coco (the ageless Ann Miller) appeared as Adam's (Justin Theroux) mother. That threw us on a loop. Then when we can no longer follow it the way people programmed by the cinema to put a coherent structure of the movie, we just watched the chronological and visual anachronisms and tried not to analyze it. I think David Lynch just wants to give a cinematic fuck you to the people who always want their plots and stories coherent. And that we were taken along the dizzying ride only to laugh at us in the end. On point of performance I like Naomi Watts (where did she come from?) and Laura Elena Harding (now seen in Sly's (or was it Van Damme?) DERAILED). Their lesbian love scene has all the colors of porno movies, and their chemistry is so great, it is heartbreaking to think that they will not end up in the end. And speaking of films... I just watched HEAVEN starring the luminous Cate Blanchett and Giovanni Ribisi. I haven't seen a film recently that is as picturesque and attentive to the small details than Tom Twyker's HEAVEN (maybe Terrence Malick's THE THIN RED LINE). This film is so beautifully shot, well-acted (especially from Blanchett) and the ending was so poetic, it is almost heartbreaking. And those lovely Italian vistas! Also watched Zacharias Kunuk's ATARNAJUAT THE FAST RUNNER. Its the first for me to watch a 3-hour Eskimo film of snowscape, magic and rituals and not a single dull moment. Kunuk is an Inuit and is based in Canada. There was this one particular scene where a naked Atarnajuat was chased by knife-wielding Eskimos in the ice. Reminds me of Illeana Douglas' black comic ice skating in Gus Van Sant's TO DIE FOR.... and also Joni's snowscape cover in HEJIRA. Joseph (rainy in Manila because of the southwest monsoon) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:57:32 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >I am now 28....my point and the good news is, I'm proud to say I think I >have had something to do with successfully converting several cynical >gen-Xers into Joni lovers. Good for you,Erika!! Really glad you are aboard too....you have so much enthusiam....I feel it! >school of thought on the "pachyderm" issue......(although like many lyrics >it probably points to a couple different things). BMR has always been a >pretty sexy song to me...so I never gave this lyric a 2nd thought. Yeah....I agree with you guys also. In fact, just to make sure when I meet you know who some day...I will ask her this very question. As I have said before I would not be able to speak, but I'll have index cards ready with some questions and just some endearments written on others. :-) >Bummed I missed the Fest and a chance to meet you...mayybe next year. I was not there either. Just in spirit! Look forward to meeting you...let's make next year a reality. Bree >Erica >NP: Peter Tosh :One Love Peace Concert (Live) whooo-eee it's good > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 23:32:15 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Introductions to Joni n. >Yes indulge us everybody, I would love to hear about everyone's "first >time". ; ) >Jenny Gosh..I love hearing this stuff...such a high!! My first time: It was 1976..and Joni was touring with the L.A. Express. My beloved sister who was such a Joni fan took me to her concert. I did not know any of her music nor did I know what she looked like. She blew me away....when she walked out and sang...HELP ME.....wow....I was in a joni trance the entire concert. I have loved and appreciated her from that moment on. She wore a red silky blouse...black slacks...a black gaucho style hat (oh...a black vest) she had her hair all under the hat...only a little wisp exposed. Before the concert had ended she rolled up her sleeves..took her hat off......*MY ANALYST TOLD ME*.... I could go on...but I will just finish with this: When she sat down at the piano...she took me to a different world....never before or since has a artist done this to me. She became a very real part of my life ever since. And the next day I went out and bought her entire catalog. Here I am at the JMDL...I could not believe there was such a place...I'm so glad I found it!! Bree > Garret wrote: Bree asked: >Did you guys post how you were introduced to Joni? If not, I would be >interested to know? > > >I know there are some wonderful stories to be told in answer to this >question. We've heard a lot of them before. Let's hear them (again, if >necesary)- not just from the younger crowd, but from everyone:) Go on, >indulge me:) >Bree also mentioned attempts to introduce/convert others! Let's here how >friends/partners react to this. >I know we've had these discussions before, but they are timeless!! >GARRET > >NP- Joni, Judgement of the Moon and Stars >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:39:53 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** Hi Immy Welcome to the list. You have cracked open the biggest book on Joni within these here walls. You will find a plethora of info amongst these old hippies and youngsters alike. Hope you do well with your project. I am not much on the trivia and stuff, but I DO love the music and the people it attracts here. Best of luck. Michael on 9/7/02 10:34 AM, Doman, Iruma at idoman@middlebury.edu wrote: > Hi everyone! > My name is Immy and i am a new member of the JMDL discussion list. I joined, > partly because i am a huge Joni Mitchell fan, but also because i am > currently writing my thesis -and it is on Joni!!! > I am a university student in my final year and my thesis is on Joni Mitchell > and issues of gender. Joni is particularly interesting to look at within > this context, because she embodies so many contradictions and she has had a > complex and interesting relationship with the Feminist movement. I am going > to look at how she is distinctive in expressing/exemplifying a strong woman > (e.g. by breaking new ground in the music industry which, at the time, was > comlitely male dominated; by retaining such a great degree of control over > her career, album covers; by becoming one of the most important women in > rock and one of the most important songer-songwriters in the history of pop > music, etc), but not necessarily in feminist terms. When questioned about > the feminist movement in interviews, Joni has repeatedly stated that she > does not identify with it, because she finds it too 'apartheid' and she > feels it can potentially create a greater rift between the sexes. However, > she is undoubtedly an extremely strong and independent woman and even > considered by some to be a feminist role model. Many of her lyrics are also > open to feminist interpretations. > I am going to look at the ways in which she presents relationships, the self > etc. I will look at whether all her songs are gendered, and if many are not, > are they still gendered because of the image she projects? > > At the moment, i am in the research stage and i have a lot of ideas floating > around, but not much order to them yet. > > The reason i am writing to you all, is that i am really interested in any > feedback you have or ideas/opinions on these topics. ANYTHING that could be > of help would be very much appreciated. e.g. what songs do you think it > would be important for me to look at within this context? Are there any > specific books/articles/interviews/people i should contact that could help > me with my research. (I have already read most of the articles on the JMDL > website, as well as most of the books published on Joni Mitchell. However, i > don't want to get bogged down with too much background information either, > as the thesis has to be a maximum of 8000 words long, so i have to stay > focused to my argument on the issues of gender.) If anyone wants want to > write to me with any ideas, please e-mail me on idoman@middlebury.edu. Also, > if anyone is interested in reading a copy of my thisis when it is finished, > please let me know! (although it won't be completed it until April '03!). > I look forward to hearing from you. > Best wishes, > Immy > > > floating around, but not much order to them yet. significant and influential > female singer-songwriters in the history of ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:56:39 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Mulholland Drive NJC > I've just seen the movie and enjoyed it immensely. Anybody out there who > can talk me through it? Help,mike in bcnNP Paul Robeson 'Joe Hill' I watched this film only last night with two friends. Somehow the film is best watched when you have people around so you can confirm things. Two thirds of the film has quite a linear flow, but the last one-third (especially when Laura Elena Harding a.k.a. Rita a.k.a. Camilla) drove all of us nuts. Just when we thought we had it figured out (i.e. the stories of Camilla and Diane Selwyn are linear but they were played by the actresses who earlier were known as Rita and Betty)... Coco (the ageless Ann Miller) appeared as Adam's (Justin Theroux) mother. That threw us on a loop. Then when we can no longer follow it the way people programmed by the cinema to put a coherent structure of the movie, we just watched the chronological and visual anachronisms and tried not to analyze it. I think David Lynch just wants to give a cinematic fuck you to the people who always want their plots and stories coherent. And that we were taken along the dizzying ride only to laugh at us in the end. On point of performance I like Naomi Watts (where did she come from?) and Laura Elena Harding (now seen in Sly's (or was it Van Damme?) DERAILED). Their lesbian love scene has all the colors of porno movies, and their chemistry is so great, it is heartbreaking to think that they will not end up in the end. Just my two cents... Joseph (rainy in Manila because of the southwest monsoon) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:07:42 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Films NJC > I thought Lisa Kudrow was really good in 'The Opposite Of Sex'. She's my > fave 'friend' you know (so to speak). > ... and I even think that she's funnier than Mira Sorvino in ROMY AND MICHELLE'S HIGH SCHOOL REUNION. Although CLOCKWATCHERS is not the greatest cinematic achievement, Kudrow's performance is always luminous (like Toni Collete's). The year THE OPPOSITE OF SEX came out, I thought that Kudrow will wind up in the Oscar's nominated list, but Oscar voters obviously did not share my view. Kudrow will be seen again in ANALYZE THAT - a sort of sequel to ANALYZE THIS with Billy Crystal and R. de Niro. joseph in manila np: billie holiday - quintessential billie holiday volume 2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 00:00:20 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >But from where I stand, I don't think Joni is under-rated at all. I think >she is highly regarded, especially among musicians, but this may be much >more obvious to those who grew up listening to her music as it was being >released. In her day, Joni was HUGE. HUGE. You said this very well. I was going to comment on joni being underrated....but never got to it. No...i don't think she is underrated at all. I know a number of people who do not particularily care for her music...for whatever reason. But they do understand her importance...her amazing song writing skills.. BUT....she has not touched them like she has us. And as extraordinary as Joni is...you just can't be liked by everybody. >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:40:29 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again (The Sequel)" Very clever quote, there Travis! Major points there! Oh, yeah. Absolutely. BSN was a string of songs about 'the arc of a romance', and "A Travelogue" is a collection about travel. Absolutely. I "get" it. She's certianly qualified to tell *THAT* story! From a start as a 2-year-old waving out of a picture window at the train engineer in North Battleford, she certianly got *AROUND*!! Maybe the best news about "A Travelogue" is that they appear to be ALL songs written by that Canadian chick. You know, the one who's like Judy Collins....... Lama > From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] > I don't know, Jim. Maybe she's thinking that her life as an > artist became a travelogue and her songs are picture postcard charms. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:02:50 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" Lama wrote: > Did anyone catch this sentence from the USA Today article? > "Mitchell designed the packaging, which features examples of her paintings, > a book and extensive liner notes." YES I DID!!! I'd heard something through a grapevine a while back that indicated photos rathers than paintings for the cover art and was a little disappointed. Now I am very happy ;-) > Does she mean a "booklet" within a CD jewel box or is one of Joni's book > project coming out with "A Travelogue"? Could certainly be - she may want to speak about the songs covered in a retrospective way or ?, but there are a lot of songs going into this one to talk about. And now the next question is (putting on eggs and tomato repellent suit) will there be "special packaging"? Perhaps a special edition that comes in a little old fashioned suitcase with travel stickers on it and inside are actual postcards of her paintings?? Heehee! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:07:04 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: transporter beam(njc) Oh Mack, I've never heard of this one - please send me the recipe if you know it! ;-) Kakki > Can't beat the gin in my book. My first drink as I ventured into the world > was Tanqueray and Roses from a bartender named Jay, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 01:33:33 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" Yeah, a suitcase that gets "damaged" in transit..... > From: kakki [mailto:kakkib@vzavenue.net] > YES I DID!!! I'd heard something through a grapevine a while back that > indicated photos rathers than paintings for the cover art and was a little > disappointed. Now I am very happy ;-) > > > Does she mean a "booklet" within a CD jewel box or is one of Joni's book > > project coming out with "A Travelogue"? > > Could certainly be - she may want to speak about the songs covered in a > retrospective way or ?, but there are a lot of songs going into > this one to > talk about. > > And now the next question is (putting on eggs and tomato repellent suit) > will there be "special packaging"? Perhaps a special edition > that comes in > a little old fashioned suitcase with travel stickers on it and inside are > actual postcards of her paintings?? Heehee! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:38:48 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "A Travelogue", formerly known as "Swan Song" & "Both Sides, Again: the Sequel" Ooooooooooooo! > Yeah, a suitcase that gets "damaged" in transit..... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #355 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)