From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #349 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 349 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Michelle Mayfield-homophobic? njc ["Mike Pritchard" ] France (west and south)NJC [colin ] Spain NJC [colin ] France again NJC [colin ] Switzerland NJC [colin ] Germany NJC [colin ] Re: France (west and south)NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] homeward NJC [colin ] re Spain NJC [colin ] Re: Germany NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Michelle NJC [colin ] Re: Switzerland NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Germany NJC [colin ] Re: Switzerland NJC [colin ] michelle mayfield njc ["Lee Ashley" ] hello again ["Lee Ashley" ] RE: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc ["Heather" ] Re: Michelle Mayfield-homophobic? njc [Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Michelle Mayfield-homophobic? njc >>Well, that explains a lot. She is from Texas, land of the homophobe. << Now if we only knew in which part of Texas the homophobe lived, somebody could have a word with him/her, right? mike in barcelona NP Brad Mehldau  Cry me a river - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:28:43 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 4 On September 4 the following items were published: 1979: "Joni jazzes it up to create Mitchell Music" - Vancouver Sun (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790904vs2.cfm 1979: "Joni Mitchell concert soars despite audience" - Oregon Journal (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790904oj.cfm 1979: "Joni's jazz can captivate audience, too" - Vancouver Sun (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790904vs3.cfm 1979: "Mitchell strong on color" - Vancouver Sun (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790904vs.cfm 1999: "Joni Mitchell Keeps Busy" - S.L. Feldman & Associates (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/990904slfa.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:28:43 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 4 1971: "Carey" debuts on the Billboard chart, lasting for one week and paeking at #93. - ---- For the most complete reference to Joni's appearances, consult the Joni Mitchell Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:34:02 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc Just great, Bob.mike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:41:17 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: JONI TRIBUTE ALBUM I remember hearing not too long ago about a Joni tribute album but then I never heard about it again anyone know anything?? (also if anyone like Tori Amos ..I heard four songs from her upcoming album and i cant stop thinkin about it. I know its cheesy to compare other female artists to Joni but i think lyrically shes amazing and also musically...) Hope all is well in jmdl land peace and love your way...***********kev********** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:52:32 +0100 From: colin Subject: trip njc We arrived back late Monday evening after driving 3254 miles in 9 days. We left early on the morning of Sunday 25th and drove down to the Chunnel. I was feelign quite ill. Wimp that I am I was frightened of going thru that tunnel. ( had opted not to go on the seacat as that scared me too!) This trip was only 35 minutes and only about 25 in the actaul tunnel. Well, if they had told me it was no different to going on the tube(subway) I would not have been so uptight. We drove on to this huge train. I sat, wondrering if I would throw up. I closed my eyes and did my TM(transcendental med). Before I knew it, we were in daylight again. The strange thing was, before we got on the train, we we dealt with by French customs. (i assumed oin the way back, we would be seen by Brit customs-but no no, French again). Oh and I also opted to take my own car. As it turned out this was a brilliant idea. Firstly, I had really goiod all round vision, especially on motorways. On single rods, I could not see ahead of lorries etc in front of me to overtake, but John could so that was okay and besides I neevr really did that. I breifly drove my firends car in sapin and was very gald I had canceeld the hire care. I found it very difficult to change gears with my right hand. More to come. I find ti hard to read thru loing mails so i will do this in parts! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:03:42 +0100 From: colin Subject: France (west and south)NJC If you are French, don't get your knickers in a twist! This wa sonly our experience. Once off the train and into France, we drove toward Rouen on the m/way. You pay to use these, and it cancelled out the much cheaper cost of fuel. The first service area we stooped at was good. Good food and cheap and good service. (unlike Britian where such areas are crap, food is crap and expensive). The roads were relatively empty. We arrived at our first hotel in Le Man. le Man was not a nice place. The restaurent we ate in was good food BUT tiny portions! The main meal was just the meat with one fancy cut potatoe and a slice of tomato. No veggies. Not even available separately. Oh well, i thought we will finish with cheese and biscuits. When it arrived we had various lovely cheeses but no biscuits! Just a knife and fork! We left early the following morning. the weather was dull and wet. we went via Tours and Limoge. We eneded up driving all the way to our destination, Cardedeu, which is juts outside Barcelona, Spain. The 'scenery' was disappointing. We did plenty of off m'way driving but saw nothing much, only lots of run down villages and towns.(really our opinion of France changes later). (One thing I was very disappointed with in France and Germany was how Americanised it had all become-fast food all over and those shopping malls and conglomerations of business etc all by the roads etc. It was not what i had expeeireinced all those years ago). Howeever, everywhere we stopped, service was very good, polite and friendly. I was suprised at how much French i understood.) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:14:36 +0100 From: colin Subject: Spain NJC As we got into Spain, I had the worst experience of my life. It started to rain a little and then it started to rain a lot, and then it started to rain so heavy I couldn't see. It grew dark and the a fierce elctrical storm started. This lasted hours. My car was struck by lighening. the battery died and the olights etc went off. as it was, all the lights ouytside the car had gone too so we were driving in darkness. My lights etc came back on very quicjkly, but outside it was still dark. I was reall scared by this time. I manged to pull off the m/way. Unfortunately, I chose a hill area to do this. I couldn't see. I parked behind a building and we sat there for about hour. Lights came back on around us, but the storm was still raging. The building I chosen to seek shelter from strom turned out to be a petrol station!!!!!! Anyway, we eventually foudn our way to Cardedeu and they had a blackout. we got to our hotel which the lady we were visiting booked us into. it was dreadful!!! The only food we could find to eat was Chinese. the following mronign, we went to the house of the lady we had gone to see. Beautiful home, beutifuyl lady and terrible dogs.I was soooo disappointed. Not only were they bad examples of the breed, but not good temepreed either(which is the FIRST consideration, always). I got bitten on my left arm. The blackness has only just disappeared. Patty took us to eat. the food was glorious. fish realltasted like fish. I had squid and octopus. My olther being Spanish, I felt verry much at home. The tlaking was loud and arms waved. Juct like me. No wonder Brits think when i am excited that i am angry/agressive. Not at all. Just Latin. It was great not to feel inhibited and have no one think I was mad. (by the way, veggies in France and Spain really tasted good. carrot tasted like carrot). - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:20:33 +0100 From: colin Subject: France again NJC We left for France again Tuesday afternoon. We had time to sight sea so made our way to The Camargue. We had seen a brochure about it. The brochure lied. We ended up on the ned coast in Ste Marie something something something. It was cleaner version of Southend on Sea. there was nothing of interested except for the white horses. By this time, we were both somewhat tired and crabby. We drove on heading to Chambray in the mountians, north east france. We stayed in a m/way hotel that night. afdtet that, the scenery got very interesting. and beautiful. We stayed Thrusday night in Chambrey. Beutiaful place it was. Surounded by mountians. Very low cloud which we drove thru. The m/ways went over very very tall bridges, thru long tunnels. we did a lot of off m'way driving here all the way to Geneva. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:35:08 +0100 From: colin Subject: Switzerland NJC Now this was how I remembered it. BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!! We had lunch by the lake in Geneva. Whilst doing so, I turned and saw a very elegant lady wlking along the promendae, with the most gorgeous Pug puppy. It was edible! Really really cute. iwanted tot kae it home. I went up to the lady and aksed if I could pet it and then picked it up. It licked my wall over. Such a sweety. i then asked if I could photograph it. The lady has seemd a bit off at first but then relaxed and agreed. she came over to our table and suggested John should hold the puppy while I took the pictures. at this moment, our waitress suddenly appeard, was rude, got int wqay and mumb;ed on in French which I did not understand. the lady with the Pug got uptight ut we stood our ground, told thew waitress we were trying to take a pictuire and eventaully she went away and we did. John, understood what had gone on and explained to me that the lady witht he Pug was a high class call girl and the waitress had wrongly assumed we were making a deal!!!! So on we go, driving around Lake Geneva. I decided I had had enough of being a wimp, and wanted to see the view from high up. So we drove up the mountians. My car is a 1.7 Turbo diesel. Well, in second gear,m I managed to slowly ascend the norrow road. Yet a woman in a tiny car, was anxoiu to pass me. I managed to pull in enough for her do so and up whe whizzzed. i still don't understadn how she could go so fast. Never mind the danger. How did her car do it? The way down was fun. No barriers to stop you going off the road. My hands hurt from gripping the wheel. I wasn't so bad tho as I realised the trees would stop us falling too far off the mountian. (Unforunately, when we stopped at servcie areas throughout our trip to admire the view, we could neevr see it becasue the service areas and had trees planted which obscured the view!!!!) Anywa, we continued out drive toward Germany. After a while, the signs changed form French to German and the language changed too. In Stwizerland, they speak 3 languages, the two mentioned and Italian. We had driven thru the French part and now into the German part. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:46:19 +0100 From: colin Subject: Germany NJC Now Germany was gogwous too. From when we hit the mountians in Franc all the way to Hamburg, it was mountains. About a 1000 miles worth. Coffee in Germany was awful. Food was mostly fast. Neither of us spoke any German of understood it so had big problems ordering food. Service areas were okay as we could point to the food. Unfortuanely, it was all havey on starch and not much in the way of veg. Tasted good tho! Peoiple were firendly and sevrice good. Schweinerschnizel(sp?) was the staple food it seemd. Even in the Chinese restaurenat we ate in(cos the menu was in Engluish too) used it. i ordered Shanghai ork and what I got was a huge plate of the stuff covered a a sweet and sour sauce! If you are German, please excuse the following. The Germans are quite mad. Their m/ways have NO speed limit!!!!!! I cannot understand why their roads are not littered with wrecks and dead people. Mostly only 2 lanes m/ways as well, so one was either stuck behind a slow lorry or gripping the wheel like crazy in the laft lane, with cars doing 130mph suddenly honking up your arse to get out of they way when one had no where to move over to! Very very scary and not at all relaxing! the fasted I got to was 110mph but not for very long. Also, the Germans appear to like to travel. Their roda werevery busy all day and night. More so even than here in the UK. However, Germany, wa sstill my favourite for scenery. Hospitallity was good to. We eveually got to our desination, Luebeck, which was a lovely old town. We went on aboat trip. We stayed a good hotel with a wonderful 'capsule' bathroom. I want one. The following day we drove up to Puttgrden where the ferry to denmark is. Very wild and windey. We met the lady we were meeting and took a dog from her.(all previously arranged) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 05:37:42 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: France (west and south)NJC In a message dated 04/09/2002 09:54:41 GMT Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > (One thing I was very disappointed with in France and Germany was how > Americanised it had all become-fast food all over and those shopping > malls and conglomerations of business etc all by the roads etc. It was > not what i had expeeireinced all those years ago). > This reminds me of a day trip to Toledo, just North of Madrid, a few years ago. Toledo is a perfectly preserved classic Spanish city, enclosed in the original city wall, with lots of diverse architectural influences, notably Moorish. And the Cathedral is one of the most extraordinary buildings I've ever seen. And yet, and yet: seemingly on EVERY corner there was a bleedin' McDonald's or Burger King, or even both. It really depressed me, it seemed that a unique city was being despoiled. Glad you got back in one piece, Colin! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:56:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: homeward NJC So we left Puttgarden wiht our new dog, Kamau(have to change that). Dorev thru desnely populated prts of Germany, heavy industry and towns. Got to Holland and immediately relaxed agsain as they have speed limits. Not oong in Holland and then into Belgium. Here is where the trouble started. We were on the M/way heading toward the Chunnel. A trip that should have taken 3 hours from our last overnight stay in Germany. It took 12 hours. The Belgians decided that a part of the M/way we were using need repair. so they closed it and chucked us all off the m/way. It took 3 hours just to do that. No diversion signs. NOTHING!!!!! We followed the lorries and my guess was tright, they were going to Calais too. We eventaully arrived at the Chunnel and just had time to get the dog thru customs before embarking on the train. There was heart stopping moment when the microhip reader couldn't find the dog's chip. But it eventually beeped and we went on our way. Although knackered, we had a wonderful time. We want to do it again, but differently and not cover so many miles. Of course, we had to this time as this was really a dog trip as we went to buy dogs. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:57:45 +0100 From: colin Subject: re Spain NJC My olther being Spanish, I felt verry much at > home. should read 'my MOTHER being Spanish'. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 05:50:55 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Germany NJC In a message dated 04/09/2002 10:37:15 GMT Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > If you are German, please excuse the following. The Germans are quite > mad. Their m/ways have NO speed limit!!!!!! I cannot understand why > their roads are not littered with wrecks and dead people. Aha! I have some experience about this, having lived in Germany for a year. I used to hitch-hike a lot while there, and did indeed travel at some pretty hair-raising speeds. Once I was hitching with two friends (female - three blokes hitching together would NEVER get picked up!), and got picked up by a guy driving a large Merc. At times he was touching 230km/h, which is about 140mph - in the INSIDE lane!! The thing was, I felt safe, as he was obviously in control of the car, and used the lanes properly, unlike in this country, where a lot of drivers have no clue how to use motorways. You meet some great people hitch-hiking. Shame nobody seems to do it any more... Azeem in London NP: Eleni Mandell - Wishbone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:00:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Michelle NJC I want EVERYONE to feel comfortable coming to my shows......... .......except gay people!!!!!!!! Her homophobia is bad enough. But her whole attitude is worse. What SHE wants, her career, her fortune, is wroth more to her than antyhing else. She is will ing to trample over anyone to geth waht she wants, she will reap what she sows. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 05:52:04 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Switzerland NJC In a message dated 04/09/2002 10:26:11 GMT Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > with the most gorgeous Pug > puppy. It was edible! Really really cute. iwanted tot kae it home. I > went up to the lady and aksed if I could pet it and then picked it up. > It licked my wall over. I don't know what this means Colin, but it sounds VERY RUDE ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:09:45 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Germany NJC > The thing was, I felt safe, as he was > obviously in control of the car, and used the lanes properly, unlike in this > country, where a lot of drivers have no clue how to use motorways. > You must have been lucky. I ound the driving evrywhere we went to be ad, veven woith speed limits. People juts pull out in front of you, no idicators, no road manners. yes, we have drivers like thta in UK, but in Europe it is very different. All of the countryies were drove in were the same in that respect. The amount of very very near misses we saw. Cars juts pulling out in the fast lane with no warning and into tuiny gaps, casuing everyoone behind to to brake. Mind you, the trip also showed how much we are taken for a ride in the UK. Service was exaclelnt, food was good, and cheap. Hotels were good and cheap. 3 stars hotels and none cost us more than 53 punds a night, with some costing only 25. When we looked in shops, evreything was cheaper then the UK, not just food and fags. House prices were similar and so were salaries. i have a feeling the Europeans just would take the crap we do. I thinknit si the way we are brought up to not value ourselves enough. Oh and the way children are treated!!!!! We saw many toddlers chucking fits. not one of them was hit or shouted. they were comforted and soothed. unlike here where they get yelled at and hit. And in France, restaurants were full of dogs! yes, people took their dogs with them. How civilised. Asw ell as they took their children. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:12:57 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Switzerland NJC AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/09/2002 10:26:11 GMT Daylight Time, > colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > > with the most gorgeous Pug > > puppy. It was edible! Really really cute. iwanted tot kae it home. I > > went up to the lady and aksed if I could pet it and then picked it up. > > It licked my wall over. > > I don't know what this means Colin, but it sounds VERY RUDE ;-) sorry, you know how good my typing skills are. I menat it 'licked me all over'. (my face) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:06:12 -0700 From: "Lee Ashley" Subject: michelle mayfield njc Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:56:03 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Michelle Mayfield-homophobic? njc (I just reread this) Look...I don't know how much public affection went on where she was performing? ** But personally, I do not like to see this...it belongs at home. Be it homosexual or heterosexual. Homophobic? Naw....she just wants her cake and eat it too. (like all of us) I see her guilty of chasing a dream...she sees that dream being jeopardized....she sees her self more diverse....she wants more than just a gay following.(some perfomers don't.....bless Holly Near) SHE sees this $$ evading her. AND for her artistry, she wants it to appeal to the masses. But to label her a homophobe...well the situation is way too layered than that. That is too easy!!! She took a gamble that her fan base would understand and her friends....SHE LOST. The only thing I see her guilty of, like I said before...she wimped out.....and is a tad bit dishonest. *holding hands, hugging, this IS NOT what I'm referring to here Bree NW: Joy Luck Club >From: "Lori in MD" >Reply-To: lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com >To: "Bree Mcdonough" , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Michelle Mayfield-homophobic? njc >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:10:42 -0700 > > > Dodging donuts here....I'm not so sure she is a homophobe > > or just a plain wimp. > >Regardless of your sexual orientation, if you make comments like >Mayfield's, you may or may not be a wimp, but you are definitely a >homophobe. Period. > >Lori > I wonder what we would say if she said this about all Black patrons? Would you say " I'm not so certain she is racist though she could very well be. Definitely shallow and self-absorbed and in my opinion incredibly stupid." Not a homophobe? Huh???? I'm with Lori on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:29:37 -0700 From: "Lee Ashley" Subject: hello again Hi Angela, I am posting for the first time in over four years....hi listers, Ashara, Jim. I am living in Vancouver....haven't been out much at jams or things like that since I've been here, but I think the Railway Club (www.therailwayclub.com) has some open stages. They used to have something called "Girls with Guitars" every couple of weeks, a kind of jam, but I don't know if that's still happening. And I know of a couple songwriters circles I could put you in touch with. Vancouver is a beautiful city....lots of interesting, inexpensive dining (best, cheapest sushi anywhere), a vibrant downtown that works both as a center of commerce and as well as a happening place to live. I live right downtown in the heart of the West End, near English Bay, a few blocks from the water in a queer-friendly district that boasts the most densely populated square mile in North America (www.seethewestend.com) Let me know when you're coming, Angela. I will show you around, and check out some music too, if you're interested. Blessings, Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:09:48 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc LOL!!!! Thanks Bob! I needed a good laugh to start my day. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:48 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc The letter from Ethel Murfman: A Letter to My Many, Many, Many, Many Fans: Date: Wed, 4 Sept. 2002 Hello Fans and Friends, First of all, I want to thank all of you for your continued support of me and my music. I have enjoyed the past few days and am very excited about what is in my future. It will be swell, it will be great. In fact, I will have the whole friggin' world on a plate. However, there is a situation that has been brought to my attention that needs to be addressed, starting here, starting now. At the present time, within my fan base there is a significant group of colored people who happen to be blue -- Smurfs, if you will. Please know that I appreciate my fan base no matter who or what they are - I, in no way, shape, or form am complaining about these blue mutants. However, as an artist, I am continually wanting to expand that fan base - to mothers and fathers, to college students, to teenagers, to the incontinent, to people who happen to be jaundiced, to pinkish Irish-Americans and to people who are all the many wonderful other colors of the rainbow, etc. I honestly believe my music has the appeal to be able to do that. It is not only important to me personally, but it is imperative for my future ~ record executives are looking for artists with an established and significant following - they don't do very many "developmental" deals these days. Plus drag acts generally are death to deals of any kind. However, I have had several complaints from bar owners, racists, homophobes, friends, the KKK, fans, sexists, Republicans, the closeted, neighbors trying to sleep and yelling "not so loud," three waitresses, Canadian hockey players, and potential fans regarding the disgusting show of Smurf-like affection that has taken place at my shows. This type of behavior, right or wrong, reflects on me as the artist who has brought you sorry blue bastards to that club. Let me give you some examples: 1) I have several friends who will not ask their families, friends, Catholic priests, Yani fans, nancy boys, shelias, coworkers, rubyfruit lovers, or non-blue people in general to my shows because of this behavior and the potential negative reflection that may be projected upon them as fans of mine. 2) A gentleman from a show made a comment in the men's bathroom, "What's going on here tonight? Isn't that Ethel Merman peeing at a urinal?" As an artist, I want to be known for my MUSIC. It is VERY IMPORTANT to me to NOT be stereotyped, bitch-slapped, pigeonholed, keelhauled, cornholed, fingered, or categorized in a way that will alienate anyone from listening or coming to see my shows. I do not want to become a Bob Muller or a Jackson Browne (although I tolerate them both and could respect them as artists if I had lots of mind-altering drugs) - most people don't think about their music first.....they think of all the restraining orders Joni Mitchell has against these two - whether right or wrong, that's the way it is. Whether I am straight or gay, blue or a little green, it is no one's business in the first place and I, personally, even though I am a lady gym teacher, am not open to making that anyone's business. It should be about the music...period. Ernest Borgnine be damned. I cannot control the behavior of anyone, however, I am respectfully asking all of you as fans and friends to please be respectful of what I am trying to accomplish as an artist. DON'T TOUCH EACH OTHER AT ALL WHEN YOU COME TO SEE ME! Please be respectful of the places where I am performing by being aware of the actions that can possibly turn potential fans away from my music or from my future shows. NO MUFF DIVING, NO BOBBING FOR BANANAS, NO SMURF-LIKE LOVE AT ALL! Also, please try to control your farting while I'm on stage. I want EVERYONE to feel comfortable coming to my shows - and from what I've been told, people are not comfortable because of the big, blue, rockin' and rollin' Smurf pile of love they have to deal with when they get there. If this means you cannot continue to support me or come to my future shows, then I will understand and respect that decision, you perverted blue bastards. I appreciate your support up until this time. But for now, bye-bye. Don't let the door hit your big, blue asses on your way out. I sincerely hope you will understand the purpose of this letter and will respect my request. Thanks for your continued support ~ --Ethel Murfman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:25:42 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc No one could have said it better!!! I laughed my ass off. :) Love and Peace....Sharon Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > The letter from Ethel Murfman: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: More Jonifest 2002 moments/WTRF Thank you Paz! There is nothing better than having people whose talent and creativity leave you in awe, say they like yer stuff too! My god I can't wait to hear everyone's set again. I have always had trouble getting beyond the production of WTRF (with the exception of Chinese Cafe). The production on Hejira and C&S for e.g. is so timeless - and WTRF sounds dated. So to hear you do Flat Tires was like, oh that IS a great song. So now I'm thinking Lead Balloon as a least fave. ;) Love, Jenny - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Jenny > I am STILL trying to figure out what to do with my > life when I grow up, but > then I digress. LOL! Flat Tires is a great tune. I > love that album. It's a > falling in love album (which is a good thing). How > about Shiny Toys as a > least fave? Don't worry Don Rowe is gone and won't > have a shit hemmorage > over that one.. HEH hee. > > Love > > Paz > > P.S. Just hear your acapella of Urge just a while > ago and OHMYGAWD, it is > awesome! Jack has been gushing about you a lot > lately too. He has the > spazmotic forthcomings of images from the fest and > keeps thanking me over > and over again. Today it was gushings about your set > and esp. song circel > stuff and Christina and Henning's record (which he > listened to today on the > way back from the northshore across the worlds > longest (24miles) bridge. > > on 9/2/02 7:03 PM, Jenny Goodspeed at > jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com wrote: > > > It's Monday night after a long weekend. I realize > another symptom of > > post-jonifest syndrome is loss of interest in > things that don't really matter > > to me - I have no desire to watch T.V - no loss > there - but I now dread the > > thought of going to my mildly interesting > once-tolerable day job - the job I'm > > at until I figure out what I *really* want to do > with my life. Anyone else? > > > > > I thought Dream Flat Tires was my least favorite > Joni song until I heard Paz > > play it. Now I have to find another one! Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:55:19 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Michelle Mayfield-homophobic? njc > But personally, I do not like to see this...it belongs at > home. Be it homosexual or heterosexual. You know Bree, if we're talking about intimacy of the heavy make-out variety, I agree with you. A few weeks ago I was walking across the platform at a train station and a man had his face buried in a woman's neck, and he was squeezing her ass ... I was grossed out, and I don't usually think of myself as a prude. However ... > *holding hands, hugging, this IS NOT what I'm referring to here ... most of the folks who object to displays of gay and lesbian affection ARE referring to holding hands and hugging. Trust me, I've seen this reaction at least one hundred times over the 21 years I've been out. But only in the U.S., where the citizens like to think of themselves as "advanced." NOT in Europe, NOT in Asia, unless it was from American G.I.s. It's a fucked up attitude, and it's terribly sad still that an "artist" in 2002 would tell ANYBODY to refrain from expressing affection at her concerts. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:59:25 +0000 From: lucarelli.f@tin.it Subject: Crosby, Stills, Nash & sometimes Young *** UPDATE Please, bookmark your agenda: on september 27, 2002 we'll be in London presenting "Crosby, Stills, Nash & sometimes Young" 3 books, approx. 1,000 pages Vol. 1 - Crosby, Stills & Nash - The early years The first volume of this project features the early years and the story of the Hollies, the Byrds and the Buffalo Springfield. Vol. 2 - Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young - A biography The second volume features the CSNY story from 1968 until 2002. Vol. 3 - CSN&Y: Forty years of music and a trunk of memories The third volume contains a detailed discography (also including an extensive section dedicated to sessions, abandoned albums and unreleased songs), videography, bibliography, a complete guest-appearance list (on other people?s albums), an extensive concert chronology (tours, benefit-concerts, live guest-appearances, set-lists, line-ups), a "radio and TV appearance" database and a "cover-version" listing. The set is enriched by many unpublished photos & visuals (hand-bills, passes, flyers, rare singles) and by first-hand anecdotes and memories contributed by musicians, producers, managers, photographers, CSN associates, fans and by members of "The Lee-Shore", and "Rust". We'll be at Helter Skelter Bookshop 4 Denmark Street, London - Telephone: +44 (0)20 7836 1151 from 12.00 am until late afternoon If you want to pre-order the books, please e-mail Jitske Kingma: jitske.kingma@GopherPublishers.com so she can have an idea of how many sets she has to bring. We are also trying to organize a party & some live music for the evening. If you are a musician in the London area, please get in touch with me (Francesco Lucarelli: lucarelli.f@tin.it) It would be nice to meet all the old friends and the people we've been in touch with over the years as well as all the faceless folks who are making these lists a beautiful place. More details will follow as soon as the program gets sharper. Francesco Lucarelli, Herman Verbeke, Lucien van Diggelen, Stefano Frollano ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:59:30 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc BOB!!!! Chortle, snort, guffaw, "smurf!" YOU ROCK!!! (Are you going to forward that to Michelle-what's-her-name?) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc - --- Lori in MD wrote: > BOB!!!! Chortle, snort, guffaw, "smurf!" > > YOU ROCK!!! > > (Are you going to forward that to Michelle-what's-her-name?) > > grand idea, i second that commotion! Mags > > ~ ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:40:51 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: njc old/new lister ANGE!!!!!!!!! Welcome home!! You've been gone way too long, but I am thrilled you are back! I have such fond memories of meeting you in Sydney. Many hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:49:47 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI TRIBUTE ALBUM In a message dated Wed, 4 Sep 2002 2:41:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cactustree78 writes: > > > (also if anyone like Tori Amos ..I heard four songs from her upcoming album and i cant stop thinkin about it. I know its cheesy to compare other female artists to Joni but i think lyrically shes amazing and also musically...) I like Tori, too. Have you seen the cover of Strange Little Girl? One of the photos shows Tori in a black beret, smoking a cigarette. I think it was made to look like Joni on the cover of Hejira. Some of Tori's music also makes me think of Laura Nyro. Regards, Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:05:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc Thanks for the giggle Bob. The point made funny-the best way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc > grand idea, i second that commotion! or, better yet, we could EACH send it to her... and to misquote Arlo Guthrie, "now if 800 people do it, well then it's the Smurfophobic Massacree Movement..." If she thought she problems BEFORE - HA! Whaddya think? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:26:05 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc Lori asks: << (Are you going to forward that to Michelle-what's-her-name?) >> No, I think Michelle has had all she can handle of forwarded e-mail for now. Besides, she's probably off somewhere with Dr. Laura discussing brilliant career moves. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:31:30 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Singer Ethel Murfman , Smurfophobic? - njc Glad I got you giggling, Colin! And wecome back from your travels. Maggie looked wonderful in her Jonifest 2002 sweater. We were all jealous! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:54:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Fw: [womenfriends] Fwd: Singer Michelle Mayfield, Homophobic? NJC i read this letter on one of my musician lists last month as someone had had received her "fan" letter (i don't think she's all that up & coming btw)...of course there was much discussion of the letter & the artist as being very ignorant (about how to build a music career in general), very self-absorbed obviously...what is even more sad is that this artist is a lesbian, according to someone in her area who knows her or knows of her... >Subject: Singer Michelle Mayfield, Homophobic? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:54:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: jimmie dale njc >>Well, at least a couple of performers who have covered Joni! ;~) Sounds like a good show, except for the Flatlanders...my buddy at work wanted me to go see them locally, but I hated their record. Guess I just don't care for Jimmie Dale Gilmore's voice.<< you know i felt the very same thing when a friend played his cd for me but this friend took me to the concert (freebie for me) & i was very impressed...jimmie dale gilmore is a GREAT performer...his stream of conciousness comments are really thought provoking & very funny...so i'd highly recommend seeing him live even if you don't like his voice... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:44:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Michelle Mayfield-homophobic? njc Reminds of a bumper sticker I had on my last car: I Don't Mind Straight People, As Long As They Don't Act Gay In Public. Jerry np: You've Changed - Milt Buckner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:33:39 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Michelle Mayfield/lesbians & folk /Holly Near njc On 4 Sep 2002 at 7:55, Lori in MD wrote: > > But personally, I do not like to see this...it belongs at > > home. Be it homosexual or heterosexual. > > You know Bree, if we're talking about intimacy of the heavy make-out > variety, I agree with you. A few weeks ago I was walking across the > platform at a train station and a man had his face buried in a woman's > neck, and he was squeezing her ass ... I was grossed out, and I don't > usually think of myself as a prude. > > > It's a fucked up attitude, and it's terribly sad still that an > "artist" in 2002 would tell ANYBODY to refrain from expressing > affection at her concerts. > I don't think Michelle is homophobic. She's just a coward who did an idiotic thing and hangs with homophobic people. Instead of standing up for her fans, she caved to the homophobic responses of bar owners and "friends." She's not very punk ("f*&k 'em if they don't like it ") nor is she very folk ("music for all the people"). Nor is she very good. In fact to say she is marginally talented would be a compliment. She is utterly forgettable. In fact I saw her in Austin during a conference and didn't remember it at all until a friend sent me an email with the letter reminding me that we went. From what I've heard, the action at her shows was pretty heavy, but really, that's beside the point, I think. If people were behaving inappropriately, gay or straight, they should have been told right there. A bunch of guys who were threatened because they saw some women having a better time then they give their own girlfriends pressured Michelle to respond to their complaints. And not recognizing the cold reality that her "fan base" is as big as it's going to get, she sent that letter instead of just finding an alternate place to play. All of this is more attention than she would ever get for her music. And surely more attention than anyone paid to her at her shows. On a related topic and for those interested, there was an article in the New York Times magazine a few weeks ago about the sizeable lesbian audience in folk music. There are some interesting comments from and about Holly Near near the end. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/18/magazine/18FOLK.html B n.p.: US Open - Capriati v. Mauresmo - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:43:44 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Fw: [womenfriends] Fwd: Singer Michelle Mayfield, Homophobic? Wow! There's someone who doesn't want fans! That letter she wrote really is the definition of shallow. I sure as hell wont be buying any of her records. STEVE T. >From: "Lee Ashley" >Reply-To: "Lee Ashley" >To: "Sarah Haxby" , "Hillman Jace" >, "Bhawani Persad Sinanan" , > "Debora Lee" , "Eric Aufdencamp" >, "this guy" , >, "Dorothee Anne Baker" , >"Irene Stein" , "Penn Muzzu Baker" >, , >Subject: Fw: [womenfriends] Fwd: Singer Michelle Mayfield, Homophobic? >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:28:22 -0700 > > >Subject: Singer Michelle Mayfield, Homophobic? > >Date: Tu, 29 Aug 2002 23:14:53 -0700 > > > > > > > >Subject: Singer Michelle Mayfield, Homophobic? > > > > > > > > Prior to this email, I had never heard of Michelle Mayfield. Apparently > > she is a musician who is (was) up and coming and had acquired a rather > > large gay/lesbian fan base. Her heterosexual fans were unhappy with the > >public displays of outwardly gay behavior at her shows, so Ms. Mayfield > >felt inclined to write the following email to her "friends and fans." > >Following her email, is a response from one very angry lesbian. > > > > Another ironic tidbit of information that you might be interested to >know > >is that if you go to Ms. Mayfield's website and view her available > > CDs, you'll see that she has a live CD on which she covers various > >artists. Strangely enough, #8 is Melissa Etheridge's "Like The Way I Do." > > > > Please do your best to keep this email circulating and feel free to >email > >Ms. Mayfield with your thoughts at michellemayfield@h... > > > > > > The letter from Michelle: > > > > A Letter to My Fans; > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 > > > > Dear Fans and Friends, > > > > First of all, I want to thank all of you for your continued support of > > me and my music. I have enjoyed the past year and am very excited about > > what is in my future. However, there is a situation that has been > > brought to my attention that needs to be addressed. > > > > At the present time, within my fanbase there is a significant group of > > people who have alternate sexual preferences. Please know that I > > appreciate my fanbase no matter who or what they are - I, in no way, > >shape, or form am complaining. However, as an artist, I am continually > > wanting to expand that fanbase - to mothers and fathers, to college > > students, to teenagers, etc. I honestly believe my music has the appeal > > to be able to do that. It is not only important to me personally, but > > it is imperative for my future ~ record executives are looking for >artists > >with an established and significant following - they don't do very many > >"developmental" deals these days. > > > > However, I have had several complaints from bar owners, friends, >fans,and > >potential fans regarding the outwardly show of affection that has taken > >place at my shows. This type of behavior, right or wrong, reflects on me >as > >the artist who has brought you to that club. Let me give you some >examples: > > > > 1) I have several friends who will not ask their families, friends or > >coworkers to shows because of this behavior and the potential negative > >reflection that may be projected upon them as fans of mine. > > > >2) A gentleman from a show at "The Six of Clubs" made a comment in the > > men's bathroom, "What's going on here tonight? I thought this was a > > straight bar." > > > > As an artist, I want to be known for my MUSIC. It is VERY IMPORTANT to > > me to NOT be stereotyped, pidgeonholed, or categorized in a way that >will > >alienate anyone from listening or coming to see my shows. I do not want >to > >become a Melissa Etheridge or a Patrice Pike (although I love them both >and > >respect them very much as artists) - most people don't think about their > >music first.....they think of their sexual orientation - whether right or > >wrong, that's the way it is. Whether I am straight or gay, it is no one's > >business in the first place and I, personally, am not open to making that > >anyone's business. It should be about the music...period. > > > > I cannot control the behavior of anyone, however, I am respectfully > > asking all of you as fans and friends to please be respectful of what I > > am trying to accomplish as an artist. Please be respectful of the places > >where I am performing by being aware of the actions that can possibly >turn > >potential fans away from my music or from my future shows. > > > >I want EVERYONE to feel comfortable coming to my shows - and from what >I've > >been told, people are not comfortable because of this behavior. If this > >means you cannot continue to support me or come to my future shows, then >I > >will understand and respect that decision. I appreciate your support up > >until this time. > > > > I sincerely hope you will understand the purpose of this letter and will > > respect my request. > > > > Thanks for your continued support ~ > > > > Michelle > > > > > > The response: > > > > An Open Letter to Michelle Mayfield 8.13.2002 > > > >H, Michelle > > > > I got a copy of your note written to your friends and fans asking that >your > >gay and lesbian fans, the "significant group of people who have alternate > >sexual preferences," do their best to hide their sexual orientation when > >they come to hear you perform. > > > > You say that you are worried for your heterosexual fans who might be > > subject to "the potential negative reflection that may be projected upon > > them as fans of mine" if people realize you've got a lot of queer fans. > > > > Gosh, I'm sure it must be hard on you to have to deal with "the >outwardly > >show of affection that has taken place" at your shows and all those badly > >behaved lesbians and gay men. All those dykes humping each other's legs >to > >the rhythm of your music and whatnot; it must be terrible. So, just to >show > >you how concerned I am about this awful situation, me and my friends >doing > >everything we can to make sure that all the queer-acting folks stay away > >from your shows in order to make sure that your squeamish heterosexual >fans > >feel okay about being there. > > > >In fact, I'll even work on convincing the queer-acting people who do go >to > >your shows to make sure that everyone in the venue knows they are *not* a > >fan of yours. That should make you really happy. > > > > How are we going to do this? First, we'll send out the e-mail to >everyone > >we know, so they get the idea. Then we'll also send it to e-mail groups, > >like Austingrrls, SublimeAustin, AustinFeminists and the NOW lists and >other > >gay and lesbian lists around the state. I'll even make sure to send it to > >Aggie Pride, the gay and lesbian list for former A&M students, since, >like > >you, I'm a graduate of Texas A&M (Class of '91. Whoop!) and Aggies like >to > >help each other out, right? And I'll make sure to put a link to it on my > >website. > > > >But we might miss a few people if we just rely on the internet, so we'll > > send your letter out to publications that gay and lesbian people >read,like > >the Texas Triangle, the Houston Voice, The Austin Chronicle, The Dallas > >Voice, Ambush, and whatever else we can track down. We'll also make sure >to > >contact radio stations that gay people listen to, like KGSR and KLBJ and >Mix > >94.7, and get them to make sure they play your music less during the > >dayparts in which they have gay and lesbian listeners, thus making it >less > >likely that queers will come to your shows. I'm not sure how effective >this > >will be in keeping all those queer-acting people out of your shows, but I > >think it should work pretty well, since most of these people, like me, >think > >it is "VERY IMPORTANT ...to NOT be stereotyped, pidgeonholed, or > >categorized" as someone who should be forced to hide who they are so as >not > >to project "negative" associations on the people they are standing next >to > >at a club. In fact, most of the people who see this will never come to >your > >shows or buy your albums or say anything nice about you to anyone again >once > >they see the bigoted and insulting e-mail you sent out to your "fans and > >friends." > > > > And, you're right, it would suck for you to have the success of Melissa > > Etheridge. What the hell were we thinking? > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > > Yahoo! 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