From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #319 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 319 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: August 11 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: August 11 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: joni's fingernails [Howard ] Re: Mermen, etc NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: Mermen, boomerangs, etc NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: 8/10 and more njc ["Michael Paz" ] Re: 8/10 and more njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: 8/10 and more njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: 8/10 and more njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: UK & Ireland Jonifest...and some patti smith content:) NJC ["kakki" <] Family photos - njc [anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Re: Mermen, boomerangs, etc NJC ["kakki" ] Re: UK & Ireland Jonifest...and some patti smith content:) NJC [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:18:37 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: August 11 1973: Rolling Stone's Random Notes page noted a few weeks after the fact: "It was quite a treat for the fortunate few who squeezed in: Joni, Neil Young, and the Eagles performed two shows tonight and tomorrow night at the Topanga Canyon Corral, a tiny club in the L.A. canyon. Admission was $4, all for the benefit of an anti-condominium movement in Topanga." 1979: Joni performs at Pine Knob Music Theatre in Clarkston, a suburb of Detroit. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790813dn.cfm
- ---- For the most complete reference to Joni's appearances, consult the Joni Mitchell Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:18:37 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: August 11 On August 11 the following item was published: 1975: "Elton John and Dylan Get Rock Prizes" - New York Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/750811nyt.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:57:53 +0100 From: Howard Subject: Re: joni's fingernails > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:51:38 +0100 > From: "Garret" > Subject: joni's fingernails > > Does Joni have long fingernails? On her right hand (strumming hand) Yes! On the left, I'm not positive, but I think they must be kept reasonably short. Long nails on the fretting hand makes playing difficult. > > Do they interfere with her guitar playing? See above for left hand nails. The long nails on her right hand are an integral part of her playing style and her acoustic guitar sound. All the "clicks" and "slaps" she uses when playing acoustic work best with good length nails. Also, the attack you get when you play the strings with nails is an important part of her sound. Using the fleshy part of the fingers wouldn't sound the same. You get extra "bite" when playing with nails. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 06:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Mermen, etc NJC - --- rvl wrote: > > > Laurent > did a major, major, very kind favor for me, he went out of his way to > do > it and to make sure that I did not have his address so that I could > in > any way repay him. I am very grateful to Laurent who also testifies > to > the spirit that we have in the JMDL. Thank you, Laurent! And thanks > all JMDLers. You gotta know Joni is special when you look at the > people > who love her. > I agree whole heartedly with you Vince, about Laurent. And like you, he is an intelligent, articulate, caring member of our Joni family. One of the things I love about 'here' is the diversity of opinion. While we may not agree with someone, we can make room for that difference of opinion, and separate the opinion from the person, with no need to attack 'them'. A lesson well learned. I am sad when I hear that someone on the list feels they cannot say what they really feel/mean because of the fear of repercussion. I also agree with your comment about the people who love Joni. As for our Joni family here on the JMDL, the spirit of love within a community arises again and again, often behind the scenes. I am moved and inspired by the good will which has become a vital part of the fabric of 'us' in our every day. if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:27:37 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Mermen, boomerangs, etc NJC > I also agree with your comment about the people who love Joni. As for > our Joni family here on the JMDL, the spirit of love within a community > arises again and again, often behind the scenes. I am moved and > inspired by the good will which has become a vital part of the fabric > of 'us' in our every day. > > if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. > > wrote this after visiting New York earlier this spring: Boomerang Love (c)2002 Victor Johnson I miss that part of you, That knows that part of me, Nobody else can see. When I sit and talk with you, I know that I can be, Completely here, you and me. It's no big mystery, Why they still fail to see, How I've touched you deep inside. You've got to let the power of love, Know what you're thinking of, You've got to let yourself enjoy the ride. How can you know that you are happy? If you've never been sad. If you never get lost, How can you ever be found? All the love you give away, It will come back around. Well I just had to get away, So I flew across the Hudson river, Just to see what I might find. And every street seemed strange to me, But they all seemed familiar, I just let the pictures fill my mind. Then I began to realize, How I missed your soft brown eyes, The little curve on your back. The way you laugh and smile at me, They way you close your eyes and see, All the colors hidden in the black. How can you know that you are happy, If you've never been sad? If you never get lost, How can you ever be found? All the love you give away, It will come back around. I miss that part of you, That knows that part of me, Nobody else can see. - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:11:51 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: UK & Ireland Jonifest...and some patti smith content:) NJC Just before the media blitz for the upcoming fest gets underway, i thought i would throw outa few thoughts regarding the recent UKfest, chez Marshall. I need not list the attendees and tell you all how wonderful they are; awesome testaments to this effect have already come in from others. Donna and i, native Dubliners, arrived in Stansted on the previous tuesday. We were given the chance to spend five hours on the M11 (or was it M25...i just don't know anymore), due to a horrendous accident. This afforded us the rare oppurtynity to sit through five hours of that happy institution of middle of the road radio hits, Magic FM- i'm still in pain; doctor says i might never be the same again..... Come thursday we were really trying to put the horror of the Magic related AHA overload behind us. We headed to Brighton for a much anitcipated Patti Smith concert. Risking an offence to some people here, i can't see why people like Brighton so much....I wasn't too fond of the place. The town seemed so empty, and more than a little dirty (which is not to say that Dublin is the cleanest place you'll ever visit.) In all fairness to the place, Donna and i just don't like beaches or beach areas, so we were probably a little biased against the place. Numerous people ahd told us that it's one of the greatest places in southern england. Give me the lake district any day! And don't get me started on the awful fecking hostel we stayed in (now, that was a horror to rival five hours of Magic FM.) Needless to say the gig was utterly fantastic. The set list was like a dream for me { Looking for you (I was); Redondo Beach; frederick; ghost dance; beneath the southern cross ; free money; piss factory; ain't it strange (OH MY GAAAAWWWDDD!! Thank you thank you thank you); be my baby; because the night; dead city; gloria; 25th floor; people have the power; grateful; wing; babelogue/rock n roll nigger). We thought the venue looked a little delapidated from outside and it seemed vey small. During the gig Patti said something to the effect of "You might be wondering why we are playing in this fucking shithole?.......Because i fucking begged them to let me play here.......I LOVE BRIGHTON" She then went into a great rant about how the place reminds her of an area near where she grew up. She was tying this into an introduction to Wing; the one she dedicated to all the children of brighton. Again, she told of how much she loves brighton and brighton rock and how this place reminds her of somewhere near where she grew up, and how they had no money, but fuck....did they have fun. They didnt have mobile phones and coulour televisoins, but fuck, who needs them anyway. They had fun! She got very excited while describing seaside areas and the memories they create. Yea, she swears like an Irishwoman! Braving the British overland train system is a little daunting, and we did make one or two hiccups along the way, but we eventually got to the station Chris had told us to get to. I thought Donna was going to explode with excitement when Chris pulled up in the car with *Dr Strings* in the passenger seat : ) She was a friend of mine and Donna's last summer while we were staying in London. It was a fine day. Chris took us to a restaurant/bar (not sure) which struck me as very neat, rustic, winsome. A good call on your part Chris. Seated inside were Jacky, Ashara, Sal, Azeem, Martin, Stevie, and Les. Stevie i had met a number of times last summer. Azeem and Martin were introduced to me last year in the Kashmir Klub (a great night with Jamie Lawson and Annabel Lamb among others). Jacky i had the privelege of showing around Dublin earlier this year. Still, i was a little overwhelmed. It must have been worse for Donna, casual Joni listener. I rambled, as i do when i'm nervous. We settled in quick smart to a delicious lunch; tis a shame i wasn't very hungry :~\ The UK fest officially kicked off in a cool, calm and sophisticated way (what was that place called Chris??) We soon headed back to the epicentre of Joni-madness and broke out the beer, the wine, the vodka, hehe:) And then we all let our tongues wag just a little. Besides Strings and Donna that is; they are both too quiet for their own good, not a word between them ;~) We were joined later by Colin and John ( i forgot to say congrats on 21 years togehter guys; i had meant to) and also by Lieve. Everybody seemed to be in great spirits. Instead of delivering a blow by blow account of the next 48 hours, i will reduce it to some of the moments that i will forever cherish. *Discussing Ashara's Joni related adventures in Canada with Sal. *Watching Ashara demonstrate Circle Dancing, trying to teach it to Jacky and Donna:)....I got the camera out just a moment too late. *Helping Ashara with the correct (or rather, teh correctest:) pronunciation of Capercaillies "Fear A Bhata" (a beautiful song in Gallic, that translates into "The Boatman"). I warned her, however, that Donna and i have learned Gaelic, and our interpretation may be a little left of the middle. She warned me to expect an insane phonecall from her needing a slight reiteration, hehe. She was very excited; this seemed to overflow and affect some of the rest of us:) *Having a front row seat for the band of Strings, Martin and Chris. When they do eventually get a cd made, all JMDLers will want to hear it. Strings vocals are beautiful; sexy and emotional. She remains understated though, and never gets right into your face- the songs take on a meloncholy quality. Her lyrics are precise and prosaic, yet oddly poetic all at the same time. The tales she tells need to be heard (welling up again as i remember Frank's Song!!!). Martin sure knows his way around the guitar; his playing compiments Strings to great effect. And then there is the added bonus of Chris Marshall finding those great base lines. And whatever that song was you played in the kitchen Sarah (the one Maritn thinks is just a bit too obvious) your small audience really liked that! *Strings singing Joni! *The circle game. It was the only real sing-along of friday night. It was a lot of fun. I, however, am a lyrics fool. I never know the lyrics to a song. Sometimes i know all the lyrics, just not in the right order. *Talking to Azeem. Here is a man that knows what he likes in music. He put many of us to shame with his knowledge! Thanks for the tape Azeem, it is great. I will be checking out a number of the artisits on there; and letting you know exactly what i think!!!! *Colin. Simply put, Colin talks:) He is a funny guy. his John seemed very quiet to me, a little sombre even. Later on though he revealed this great sense of humour without even realising it! *Saturday nights singing. This was great. Music is the reason that we all got together, and this evening really epitomised the greatness of the joni list for me. Jacky, you sure missed a great (and fecking late) evening. They somehow got me to sing! I usually don't sing without the washing machine on, or the hoover, or the shower, lol. It was fun. We had a bit of a crowded house sesh which was spectacular. Everybody singing, eveybody laughing. Where in the living hell did Stevie Mitchell vanish to all weekend? eh?? We could have done with his sweet vocals:) What am i saying; we were great without him:) * And, last but most definitely not least; spending time with some wonderful people. Guys you were all great. Thank you all for being so welcoming and inviting. Thanks especially to Chris for opening up his home and playing hostess;-) We must do it again sometime. I'll have my photos in the next day or two. I didn't get many; but those i did get happened to be at times that most of the other cameras were not to be seen. GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Grateful ps- apologies for taking up so much bandwidth; i didn't realise i had so much to say; without even going into how sweet, great and genuine each and every one of the attendees was. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:00:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: August 10th Here Here Happy Fecking Birthday Les Irvin. I will throw an extra shrimp pn the barby this afternoon in your honor. Have a wonderful birthday! I am looking forward to playing and visiting with you (s) un a couple weeks. Love Paz FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > I didn't put NJC on this post, and you can kick me off > the list if you want > to Les. > > BUT, I want all 852 people on this list to know: > > > It's your frickin birthday Les Irvin!!!!!! > If it wasn't for you Les, and all the hard work you do > in keeping the JMDL > going, where would we all be??? Heck, I'd only have > one friend (my Mom), but > thanks to you and this list, I have 2 friends. (Hi > Mabel, Hi Tootsie) :~) > > Anyway, I thank you from the bottom of my gall bladder > for keeping us > together for all these years, for letting us know what > happened in Joni > history 4000 times in one day, and for being such a > kind, wonderful, and > talented man! > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY LES!!!! > > DBF Jimmy (waiting for Wally to resume his duties) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: 8/10 and more njc WallyFacio- Great to see you back! I hope all is well with you and I understand "con una nalga en el espacio" has a hole new meaning for you!!!!! LMAO!! Be well brother and hope to see you and hear you at an upcoming Fest near you. Love Paz On Sat, 10 August 2002, "Wally Kairuz" wrote: > > happy birthday, les, my friend!!!!! > and everybody hear this: jimmy is the new BDF. he is > the kind of fairy we > all need!!!! > i'm absolutely online and kicking, just too darn lazy > to start telling you > *THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS*. > but i love you love you love you all and i'm simply > peach! > wallyK, back from the first day of my three-day > celebration for my sixth > month with alberto. party on, girl! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:26:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: 8/10 and more njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > i'm absolutely online and kicking, just too darn > lazy to start telling you > *THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS*. Catherine McKay (who has had me lol all week long with all your posts) wrote: Too damn bad! Quit teasing - we want the full scoop. NOW! Absolutely, get back in here from your three day party & let us know what's going on! btw, saw a documentarty on argentina last night (pbs?)...kept looking for you wally! interesting about the whole alternative barter system...did anyone see this? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:19:49 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: 8/10 and more njc In a message dated 11/08/02 20:13:29 GMT Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > btw, saw a documentarty on argentina last night (pbs?)...kept looking for > you wally! interesting about the whole alternative barter system...did > anyone see this? > No, but I did see a very good Argentinian film called Nine Queens (insert your own Jonifest joke here), which contained a scene which was very topical with regard to the desperate state of the economy there, and, depending on when it was made, extraordinarily prescient. I won't say any more, as it might give the plot away, and this movie has a very complex plot, parts of which I'm still working out. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:19:40 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: 8/10 and more njc > Catherine McKay (who has had me lol all week long with all your posts) > wrote: Too damn bad! Quit teasing - we want the full scoop. NOW! > > Absolutely, get back in here from your three day party & let us know what's > going on! > Yes!!! No more lollygagging...salacious minds want to KNOW!!! Victor NR: A Long Strange Trip: The Inside History of the Grateful Dead by Dennis McNally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:01:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: UK & Ireland Jonifest...and some patti smith content:) NJC Garret, Thanks for your report - that was a great read! (I was especially entertained by the Patti Smith story - heehee.) Loved seeing the photos the other night, too - what a handsome lot! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca Subject: Family photos - njc I've posted some photos at PhotoIsland.com If you're the nosy type, or have too much times on your hands (like me, it's not so much "too much times on your hands" as, "so much to do, I can't function as a human being"), please feel free to snoop around. There are three albums - one is some photos I took (I'm not a great photographer, so have mercy - this is kind of a test of the whole Photoisland thing and within a few weeks, I hope I'll have a Jonifest 2002 album set up); one is family photos going back several generations. In particular, the ones I most like are the photo of my grandmother & great-grandmother taken in England almost 100 years ago, and the one of my Dad - his army photo. I was looking for this for the longest time after he died and my stepmother gave me some family papers - and I found this photo among them; the third is scanned pictures of my daughter's artwork (she'll kill me if she finds out I'm sharing these with you, but if you don't tell, neither will I.) She's just finished first-year highschool and I think some of them are pretty darn good (but what do I know? I'm just her mother). I'm proud of the kid - what can I say? To get there, simply click the address below and enter your guest password: jmdl http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=catspics If that doesn't work, go to www.photoisland.com, and log in to my albums with the following information: Log-in ID: catspics Guest Password: jmdl _________________________________________________________________ See you @ PhotoIsland! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:03:15 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Mermen, boomerangs, etc NJC Another very beautiful song, Victor. Hope we will hear it on your next release ;-) Kakki > wrote this after visiting New York earlier this spring: > Boomerang Love (c)2002 Victor Johnson > > I miss that part of you, > That knows that part of me, > Nobody else can see. > When I sit and talk with you, > I know that I can be, > Completely here, you and me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:07:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: UK & Ireland Jonifest...and some patti smith content:) NJC Excellent and enjoyable report, Garret! I especially liked the details about Patti Smith. She's such an enthusiastic performer! Last summer I saw her at a free outdoor concert in NYC in a park right next to the Metropolitan Opera house (can't get much more staid and "establishment" than that place; it was one of those dramatic NYC contrasts) and she was excited about being here, too, and had different tales about her times in NY. And the music! Wow! She played many of the ones you listed and it just blew me away to hear things like Redondo Beach and Babelogue and Because the Night... all sounding so fresh! I was standing near the stage and there was an area between that and the first row of folding chair seats, and much of the time a 4-year-old boy was dancing along to the music. It was endearing, especially all that jumping and twirling stuff, and great to see the powerful effect of good old rock music that was created long before he existed. Patti kept most of her Irishwoman swearing in check, or rather, she'd swear and then comment on the number of tourists in the crowd that she was probably offending, and how what she'd said wouldn't phase New Yorkers a bit. From what I could tell, the audience was mostly tourists, it being summer and a free concert, and it seemed a lot of people didn't know her at all, so it wasn't the most enthusiastic crowd. And there were some technical difficulties so there was some waiting time. Patti did, though, manage to get the audience singing along with Power to the People, and by the end of the concert people were pretty charged up. Quite an amazing feat! I'd go to see her anytime. Debra Shea Garret wrote: > > Come thursday we were really trying to put the horror of the Magic related > AHA overload behind us. We headed to Brighton for a much anitcipated Patti > Smith concert. ... > She got very excited while describing seaside areas and the memories they > create. Yea, she swears like an Irishwoman! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:35:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: GetMusic videos & WtS where are you? A while ago, Willy the Shake (WtS) posted a link to a site called www.getmusic.com where you can see some of Joni's music videos. I had saved this e-mail because I didn't have time to look at the videos at the time & have just gotten round to it now - almost a year later. I thought I'd re-post the site for anyone who would like to see some of Joni's videos. By the way, has anyone heard from WtS lately? His voice is strangely absent. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:53:56 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: 8/10 and more njc Wally wrote: > happy birthday, les, my friend!!!!! > and everybody hear this: jimmy is the new BDF. he is the kind of fairy we > all need!!!! > Hope you did have a great bday Les. As for BDF Wally, I am going to have to decline. I don't mind filling in, but your shoes are too much to fill for the position. You're gonna have to get the bday gnome Murphy or someone else who is as clever as you are. Sorry Wally. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:43:49 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: methinks joni purtier (njc) In a message dated 09/08/02 22:17:55 GMT Daylight Time, jgyn@muse.sfusd.edu writes: > http://99x.com/new_morningx/photos_courtney_love.html > > > Bloody Hell! What on earth had she been doing?? If anyone hasn't seen these delightful photos of Courtney Love, but wants something to alert their kids (or indeed anyone else) to the dangers of Unlimited Everything, these would scare the most streetwise sprog. Azeem, suppressing an involuntary shudder... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:55:37 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: UK & Ireland Jonifest...and some patti smith content:) NJC Wonderful write-up, Garret! I really must catch Patti Smith next time she plays here, what with your and Debra's enthusiastic reports, it's made me regret passing up so many opportunities of late. Love to Donna too! Azeem in London NP: Cara Dillon - Don of Glencoe (what a beautiful voice, sheer bliss to listen to) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:29:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: 8/10 and more njc oh but BDF'ing is all about being beautiful, resplendent and generously endowed. these shoes might actually prove TOO SMALL for you, jimmy. as to naughty naughty bd gnome murphy, rumor has it he resorts to socks in his pants. shame! wallyK -----Mensaje original----- De: FMYFL@aol.com [mailto:FMYFL@aol.com] Enviado el: Domingo, 11 de Agosto de 2002 06:54 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar Asunto: 8/10 and more njc Wally wrote: happy birthday, les, my friend!!!!! and everybody hear this: jimmy is the new BDF. he is the kind of fairy we all need!!!! . You're gonna have to get the bday gnome Murphy or someone else who is as clever as you are. Sorry Wally. Jimmy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #319 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)