From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #317 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 317 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: August 9 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: August 9 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] : Re: Who are the Mermen? NJC ["Denknee" ] nails njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's Love Life Time-Line? [Brian Gross ] Re: nails njc [Mags N Brei ] August 10th [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's fingernails and guitar playing [jclarknyc@netscape.net (Jeff C] Re: August 10th ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] methinks joni purtier (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: August 10th [anne@sandstrom.com] Anyone in Texas or Louisiana (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: nails njc [Denny Giovanetti ] Re: nails njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: August 10th [Catherine McKay ] Re: August 10th ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: nails njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: nails njc [Denny Giovanetti ] Re: nails njc [Catherine McKay ] njc true love [rvl ] Re: August 10th NJC, but LC [Alison E ] August 10th [Scott and Jody ] Re: Mermen..... [Lance Michel ] What bruce wants...bruce gets! NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: : Re: Who are the Mermen? NJC Coming outta hiding... there must be TWO groups called Mermen because the link given leads to the Surf Rock trio called Mermen, and the "friends" of Patti LuPone seem to be a quartet of vocalists doing quite a different kinda music. Just to letcha know... > They are a great, eclectic gay group (San > Francisco!) whose name is a > take off on Ethel Merman. They backed up Patti > Lupone on her recent live > cd. Their web site is www.mermen.net. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:46:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: nails njc i have a guitar playing friend who has used those glue on nails on his right hands so i decided to try one on my thumb as a test...YUCK! it felt so horrible that i took it off after only a few hours (you can't just pull it off or you rip your whole thumb nail off with it)...i've never seen ani d in concert but i hear she tapes fake nails or something to her fingers...that seems preferable to the gluing... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni's Love Life Time-Line? Bro Bob wrote: > > I can't help you much with the time-line, Erica, though I DO have a copy of > the Rolling Stone chart that paired her up with all the rock stars. > > Donald Freed, an old friend from Saskatoon, was her date & romantic link > during the TNT show. But alas, they are no more. I don't think Joni has any > attachments at present other than her grandkids & her little dog Coco. > DAMN And just when I'm OFF the market!! Brei :-)) npimh: K.T.Frog doing "It's not easy to be green..." ===== After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: nails njc Hi Kate, I read an article recently about Bruce Cockburn and apparently he uses crazy glue on his nails because he never uses a pick!!! imagine!!! Mags. npimh: Arrows of Light, the other Bruce :-) - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > i have a guitar playing friend who has used those glue on nails on > his right > hands so i decided to try one on my thumb as a test...YUCK! it felt > so > horrible that i took it off after only a few hours (you can't just > pull it > off or you rip your whole thumb nail off with it)...i've never seen > ani d in > concert but i hear she tapes fake nails or something to her > fingers...that > seems preferable to the gluing... > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com > Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs > Over the Moon- > "bringing the melancholy world of twilight > to life almost like magic" All Music Guide > ******************************************** ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:06:12 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: August 10th I didn't put NJC on this post, and you can kick me off the list if you want to Les. BUT, I want all 852 people on this list to know: It's your frickin birthday Les Irvin!!!!!! If it wasn't for you Les, and all the hard work you do in keeping the JMDL going, where would we all be??? Heck, I'd only have one friend (my Mom), but thanks to you and this list, I have 2 friends. (Hi Mabel, Hi Tootsie) :~) Anyway, I thank you from the bottom of my gall bladder for keeping us together for all these years, for letting us know what happened in Joni history 4000 times in one day, and for being such a kind, wonderful, and talented man! HAPPY BIRTHDAY LES!!!! DBF Jimmy (waiting for Wally to resume his duties) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:11:29 -0400 From: jclarknyc@netscape.net (Jeff Clark) Subject: Re: Joni's fingernails and guitar playing "Can someone explain to me once again about her distinctive guitar style? And please....the fingernails!!" I've always tried to look at pictures of Joni to check out how she kept her nails also. I've noticed that often she keeps the left hand nails long which would very difficult to play with. Maybe these photos are taken during periods when she has not played for awhile? However on the right hand she always seems to have her nail quite long which is important for playing her style. I would say that to me the most distinctive technique to playing style is that with the right hand she often uses the thumb on the lowest bass string only. The is very different than the traditional method that most of us are taught, wherein the thumb plays the 3 lowest strings and the index, middle and ring fingers each play a treble string. For example in the song Night Ride Home (or Hejira) Joni will thumb on the lowest string, index on the next lowest and middle on the next lowest and then "brush" up on the high strings -- sometimes hitting the highest string only, sometimes getting a bit of the next highest string with it. It's kind of similar to playing a harp. This brushing up on the high strings creates (with the altered tunings) a wash sound or "colors" as she often uses to describe her music. Howard Wright wrote good notes to capture the style of Joni's playing in the Taming the Tiger songbook. This is my first post in a long time... and I've missed jmdl very much. I left NYC last fall a bit after 9/ll -- had been there 12 years and felt like it was time for a change. Spent periods of time with family in Ohio and North Carolina. Went to California and Colorado and Massachusetts (where I am now). Turned 40 and thought about what I want to do for the next forty (fifty? sixty?) years of life. Do I know? not really! I guess I feel that it's not so much what you're doing or where you're at so much as who you're with... People on this list have been very kind to me and I've felt bad at times not keeping up with everyone. I'd like to rejoin and post more. Its a great gift to have such an intelligent, fun and warm group as this to share one of life's passions. Well, it's Friday and weekend begins soon .. Cheers to everyone and wishing you a great weekend. With love, Jeff NP: Peter Tosh "Mystery Babylon" __________________________________________________________________ Pre-order the NEW Netscape 7.0 browser. Reserve your FREE CD and pay only $2.99 shipping and handling. http://cd.netscape.com/promo_one/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:20:31 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: August 10th H A P P Y F E C K I N G B I R T H D A Y L E S FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > I didn't put NJC on this post, and you can kick me off the list if you want > to Les. > > BUT, I want all 852 people on this list to know: > > It's your frickin birthday Les Irvin!!!!!! > If it wasn't for you Les, and all the hard work you do in keeping the JMDL > going, where would we all be??? Heck, I'd only have one friend (my Mom), but > thanks to you and this list, I have 2 friends. (Hi Mabel, Hi Tootsie) :~) > > Anyway, I thank you from the bottom of my gall bladder for keeping us > together for all these years, for letting us know what happened in Joni > history 4000 times in one day, and for being such a kind, wonderful, and > talented man! > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY LES!!!! > > DBF Jimmy (waiting for Wally to resume his duties) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:23:59 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: methinks joni purtier (njc) http://99x.com/new_morningx/photos_courtney_love.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: August 10th The HAPPIEST of birthdays to you, Les! If it weren't for you, I'd have almost 800 fewer friends :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:55:2 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Anyone in Texas or Louisiana (njc) Have you seen or heard of a hotsauce called "Jamaican Bomb" or "The Bomb"? It's being sold at hotsauce shops in these states. My brother and his friend concocted it in Tampa and have been selling it through Sysco Foods. Just curious because I haven't even seen it myself but have just heard about it. If anyone spots some please let me know and also, if any of you coming to jonifest see it, please snag one and it bring it with you. thanks, Victor, counting days - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:39:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's fingernails and guitar playing NJC **I'd like to rejoin and post more. ** Well HOWDY stranger! :~) And welcome back...what a coincidence as I was JUST asking about you whilst conversing with your ex-roomie. You say that people have been kind to you, but you have done the same. Valerie had knee surgery a couple of weeks ago, and while I was waiting for her I was poring over my AWESOME rock and roll book you & Ali gave me. I love it! And it's got your signature in the front, so hurry up and get famous so I can sell the damn thing on E-Bay, OK? ;~D Just kidding...great to hear from you Jeff. Bob, 44 and still doesn't know what he wants to do when he grows up... NP: Lamb, "Gabriel" (Thanks Pearl!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 19:44:48 -0400 From: "Darice(darice@mindspring.com)" Subject: Big Sur I got a lobby card for the Big Sur movie on ebay a few months ago. The photo of Graham and Joni on the Altman site is a cropped version of the lobby card. There are others in the background, and it is in color. The Post Office creased it in a few places, though. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: nails njc - --- Mags N Brei wrote: > I read an article recently about Bruce Cockburn and apparently he uses >crazy glue on his nails because he never uses a pick!!! imagine!!! Ed Gerhard, a fine guitarist from New Hampshire, mixes acrylic powder w/crazy glue. But warns that it's easy to glue your hand to the table! Denny NP: Bill Frisell, "Moon River" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: nails njc - --- Mags N Brei wrote: > Hi Kate, > > I read an article recently about Bruce Cockburn and > apparently he uses > crazy glue on his nails because he never uses a > pick!!! imagine!!! My guitar teacher gave me some advice I had never heard of before. If you break a nail, you get some crazy glue and a tea bag - you have to take the tea out, though because you're using the material the bag is made of. You put some crazy clue on the broken nail, then you apply a tiny piece of the tea bag material. You let it dry. Then you sand it down. Then you put some more crazy glue on it. Then you sand it again and buff it 'til it's really smooth and you can't even see that there's bits of crazy glue and tea bag on your nail (and a good thing too!) I tried it a few times, but I don't think my body chemistry is very accepting of crazy glue, because it didn't work all that well. It's also very tricky getting everything in the right place, and waiting long enough for the crazy glue to dry before you try sanding it, otherwise you make a big mess. I guess I'm not dedicated enough, because i'm not so sure I want to go THAT far with the nail thing. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: August 10th - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I didn't put NJC on this post, and you can kick me > off the list if you want > to Les. > > BUT, I want all 852 people on this list to know: > > > It's your frickin birthday Les Irvin!!!!!! > If it wasn't for you Les, and all the hard work you > do in keeping the JMDL > going, where would we all be??? hApPy FrIgGiN' bOiTdAy, LeS!!! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:04:16 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: August 10th Happy Birthday Les. Hope it is a very good one. Thank you. Sincerely, Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: nails njc - --- Denny Giovanetti wrote: > Ed Gerhard, a fine guitarist from New Hampshire, > mixes acrylic powder w/crazy glue. But warns that > it's easy to glue your hand to the table! LOL! That's another reason I gave up on the crazy glue thing - I glued two of my fingers together & had a HELL of a time getting them unstuck - I thought I'd have to go to emerg (try explaining that one in the ER, although they've seen much worse.) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: nails njc - --- Catherine McKay wrote: >My guitar teacher gave me some advice I had never >heard of before. If you break a nail, you get some >crazy glue and a tea bag. . . I used to carry a ping-pong ball, crazy glue, and an x-acto knife in my case. When a nail broke, I'd trim the nail, cut a small section from the ping-pong ball, glue it in place, let it dry and then file. Worked every time! Tho' I'd get weird looks from bandmates. (Got that from Jody Fisher, a great LA-based guitarist & teacher.) Denny--thinking, we're not in the "Dear Heloise" zone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:21:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: nails njc - --- Denny Giovanetti wrote: > I used to carry a ping-pong ball, crazy glue, and an > x-acto knife in my case. When a nail broke, I'd > trim the nail, cut a small section from the > ping-pong ball, glue it in place, let it dry and > then file. Worked every time! Tho' I'd get weird > looks from bandmates. (Got that from Jody Fisher, a > great LA-based guitarist & teacher.) yEAH - the ping pong ball! My teacher mentioned that one to me too, but I had enough trouble with the tea bag and the crazy glue, thank you very much. Carving up a pingpong ball with an X-acto knife would have been too much - sharp objects & I don't get along very well. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:51:01 -0400 From: rvl Subject: njc true love I have been told that I have not been posting any Gage stories lately. Tonight when we got together he said, Poppa, can we go see a movie, and i said, yes, and then he said, can we go see two movies? And that is a tradition because we always see two movies. But: I had first thing this morning checked the movie listings for our little small rural hick town 8 screen multiplex and these were the 3 movies in the categories of "movies that a 7 year old boy might go to with grandpa:" that dreadful Master of Disguise with that dreadful Dana Carvey (who was funny, once, back in the day, when the universe was young) that dreadful Austin Powers 2 thing that was overdone a long time ago (they made a sequel, is there no deceny left in Hollywood) that dreadful Spy Kids 2 (they made a sequel, is there no deceny left in Hollywood) and after giving thanks that he is a boy so that the dreadful Berry Bear movie was at least not an option (if I ever have a granddaughter we will never go to the movies, I would never survive a Little Pony or Little Mermaid or Little Ballerina movie or whatever disgusting sexist tripe they market to preteen girls), knowing that I was going to have to see 2 of those 3 movies, I still said, "yes, we can go see two movies." Never was there a truer love of grandparent for grandchild. Now we have a rule: we never, ever leave a movie early. Never leave a movie at any time. I did volunteer to get him refills in the middle of Spy Kids 2 (the authors of that script, the director, and the producers should be locked in an asylum and Antonio Banderas should have his equity card burned) and then, 1/3 of the way through Austin Powrs, he says, can we leave, he has a headache. Knowing what I paid for those tickets, I am caught in the moral dilemma of: do we stick with our agreed policy and persevere through the movie, a general principal of mine never once broken in 50 years of life, which means I continue to sit through Austin Powers, or do I break the guiding movie principal of a life time and leave a movie early? We left. And now Gage is asleep on the futon, from he told me, he had his first sinus headache, and I left in despair at the state of Hollywood. The previews of the new Harry Potter and the new Lord of the Rings looked tremendous, so damn good, I can't wait until they come out (11-15 for HP, 12-18 for LOTR). And I thought, were was Spiderman when I needed him tonight. Why couldn't that still be playing? And Michael York in Austin Powers - I almost cried. But I didn't because there is no way to tell a 7 year old grandchild, "see that old guy on the screen who looks so haggard? Your poppa had a crush on him when Cabaret came out, I thought he was hot!" And where is Miss Manners when I need her? Gage's mother gave me my invitation to her upcoming wedding in october, and also gave me an invitation to give to my former partner. And I am thinking - does she know he and I have been apart and that he has a little male strumpet living with him? And how do i tell my ex, yeah, here's your invit, and if you bring that little whore within 10 miles of that wedding or reception I will castrate you both right there on the spot? Is there a polite way to say that? Gage has ben sleeping soundly while I keyboarded this and I guess I can now safely turn off the Cartoon network from my tv. Vince NP: The Land Before Time, for the 1,367th time, can't the fucking Cartoon Network buy a few new cartoons? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: August 10th NJC, but LC Dearest Les: I just wanted to express my sincerest thanks, and BIG FAT FECKING birthday wishes. What you have given us all through your effort is something that we can barely name, barely describe, and fail to communicate to our sad non-lister families and friends. For those who have not met Les Irvin, I hope you are coming to Jonistock this year, because you are in for a treat. For those who have met the man, I need say no more. So, to one of the sweetest, most unassuming, most talented, kindest and ***NOT SO HARD ON THE EYES*** men I have the pleasure to call friend... Happy Birthday. We love you! alison e. in slc (look ma! i'm using punctuation!) HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:35:38 -0400 From: Scott and Jody Subject: August 10th Happy Birthday Les!!!!! For this years Birthday, I promise not to write you about all my computer woes as I have in the past. Even though I can't access Map of the world (It says I need a new Browser) Ahem....Ahem, excuse me. I have a frog in my throat. Jimmy wrote: > Anyway, I thank you from the bottom of my gall bladder for keeping us > together for all these years, for letting us know what happened in Joni > history 4000 times in one day, and for being such a kind, wonderful, and > talented man! > Yeah, What DBF Jimmy said:~) Where would we be without you Les? Thank you for ALL that you do! Yes we do, we love ya! jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:14:56 -0400 From: Lance Michel Subject: Re: Mermen..... Hahahaha...I'm sorry but I just had to laugh........You may be very correct in your suggestion as to who the 'Mermen' are that are on his tape....But....I would venture to guess (pun fully intended and will hopefully make sense in a moment......DING! ;-) that the instrumental 'Mermen' group he is referring to is actually the 90's intense surf band from SF called 'The Mermen'......Not surf music as in The Beach Boys, but along the wave of Dick Dale, et al.... Hope that helps....Cheers!! They are a great band by the way; and REALLY REALLY f*ing loud live...a tad too loud if you ask me, but only for the venue in which I saw them I guess... Hope y'all are well... Peas.....Sir Lance ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:18:05 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: What bruce wants...bruce gets! NJC As a metro Cincinnati resident (across the historic Ohio River in northern Kentucky), I found it really, really weird to read that article. The article's take was that the champion of the little guy, Bruce, was desecrating the site where the police messed up "Public Safety" and 11 kids got the air squeezed out of their lungs for too many consecutive minutes. The trouble is, I couldn't make up my mind who let me down the most. Consider this: Which party abused their public trust more? The police who (Ha!) screwed up big time, or the blue-collar poet who (Ha!) rushed to the fore with a new album about rebuilding a community only to trample the memory of a PREVIOUS decade's fallen innocents. That's what it's like here. It's too charged. There's an old saying about "Don't barter with them. If you offer an inch they take a mile." So everyone here tries to grab a mile. My solution: For the life of the BUILDING they should never allow festival seating in the building formerly known as "Riverfront Coliseum". The building owner, the City of Cincinnati, should just not negotiate on that one point on any contract. Maybe the biggest screwup is that the City ITSELF exempted this show, overruling a "No Festival Seating" statute. Are we so focused on healing "911" that we cast aside the painful lesson of just 20 years ago? At the Springsteen show, will the cops only open ONE door, as they did for the Who concert, inciting a crush by 30,000 people all trying to use a SINGLE door? Maybe nobody cares cause we're so focussed on THE LATEST PASSING PHASE: 911, A YEAR LATER....... Lamadoo " meet The New Boss (Ha!) same as the old boss." Bree said, >>>>>>For the first time since 11 concert-goers were killed at Riverfront Coliseum(Cincinnati)(Who concert) 23 years ago, festival seating will be allowed at the arena at Bruce's request. The Cincinnati police dept. have given BRUCE a one-time variance for his Nov,22 concert. Bruce was the top story in Wednesday's paper....front page... I've attached the clippings...you have to bend the neck a little to read Bree>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #317 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)