From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #307 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 1 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 307 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 31 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! (VLJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: scientists prove it - joni was right!!! [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: something disturbing (NJC) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! [anne@sandstrom.com] Something disturbing NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: something disturbing (NJC) [Lori in MD ] Re: Something disturbing NJC [Lori in MD ] Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash ["Bree Mcdonough" ] You really are the best! (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Bruuce!!! njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: something disturbing - not happening (NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Homeland security (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Wayne Shorter (tangential JC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Bruuce!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: assorted musings on things joni... [FredNow@aol.com] Re: something disturbing (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Jonifest Invite ["michael o'malley" ] Jonilist and partners ["michael o'malley" ] NJC Re: I read the biography of Joni Mitchell by Karen O'Brien [SCJoniGuy] re: Nash and Joni ["mia ortlieb" ] need to read [Pearlz2swine@aol.com] Re: Jonilist and partners [Julius Raymond ] Re: something disturbing - not happening (NJC) ["kakki" Subject: Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash i just visited with my friend doug ingoldsby who said his song made the cut for this album...one of the first songs he wrote in a workshop we took together a few years ago... for those who get the album his song is called "i'll be there for you" sounds like graham stole crosby's cpr band! >>By the way, Graham Nash's solo CD _Songs for Survivors_ is being released today on Artemis records. It was produced by Russell Kunkel, who is widower to Nicolette Larson, and their son. << ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:16:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: July 31st (NJC) Happy Birthday Hugs to you Steve!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:16:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) but this to my mind is so different from TIPS...neighbors looking after each other is not at all like some delivery person reporting on what THEY consider to be something suspicious in someone's home...not at all the same >>The theory of trained citizens looking out for each other though has proven to work. My neighborhood, for example, and others, began citizen brigades a few decades ago. Much like the minute men of revolutionary times, these folks, armed with nothing other than flashlights and two-way radios, took to the streets to reclaim them.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:23:05 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! (VLJC) In a message dated 7/30/02 10:56:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > to all who have helped me identify & collect all this information and music > - > we can give ourselves a well-deserved hand! > > Congratulations Bob, and many thanks to you and all the contributors who made this possible. I so look forward to my package of Joni covers every month. Who ever would have thought that this all started when you were just a kid, Bob? I'll never forget your story of when you saw Doris Day and she held your tiny face in her hands and sang "Both Sides Now" to you. You looked right at her and said "Miss Day, may I make a recording of that? I'm going to start a collection of Joni covers, and I wanna put you, Kathie Lee Gifford, Robert Goulet, Claudine Longet, Anne Murray, Jim Nabors, and Nazareth all on the same CD." Miss Day looked down at the tiny Muller boy and said "Que Sera Sera, now scram little hick boy, I have to put some Vaseline on the camera lens so my face will have that sparkly glow to it" ..............and the rest is history! Thanks again for everything you've done Bob! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:39:50 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: scientists prove it - joni was right!!! The abbreviation "amp" means what, please? DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:48:08 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! > Harpers Bizarre - Both Sides Now (this is really a treasure > for me - go ahead and laugh but their "59th Street Bridge > Song - Feelin > Groovy" is still one of my all time faves Well, you won't hear ME laughing! HB's cover of BSN is one of the best, pure pop and in their style. They even throw in one of those Oboe riffs (or is it a bassoon?) like they do in "Feelin' Groovy". Luckily for us this track was re-released last year on a retrospective CD, so the sound quality is remastered and superb! Also I would be remiss if I didn't say how much I appreciate your promotion & support for this project of this project from the very beginning, Kakki...YOU are a treasure too! :~) Bob NP: Bruce, "Racing In The Street" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:54:04 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! > Miss Day looked down at the tiny Muller boy and said "Que > Sera Sera, now > scram little hick boy LOL! This is great trivia Jimmy! I must have been very young because I barely remember this incident. I do believe it happened though as I remember trying to look up her skirt. :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) Kate wrote: > but this to my mind is so different from > TIPS...neighbors looking after each > other is not at all like some delivery person reporting > on what THEY > consider to be something suspicious in someone's > home...not at all the same I've stayed away from this discussion so far. But, Kate, you've said it so well here. I agree completely with you. I've seen the neighbors working together idea work wonders, both to prevent crime and to protect the environment. (A group of us even became a non-profit organization. We educated others who lived in our watershed about how to preserve the local pond from further decay. We even took kids on field trips.) Having someone enter your house for one purpose (repairing something, for example) and judge what you are doing isn't just creepy, I believe it's unconstitutional. After all, wouldn't a police officer need a warrant to do the same thing? (Sorry, I haven't read all the posts so I'm probably repeating what others have said.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash Speaking of swooning... I enjoyed the Graham biography on A&E last night. BUT, it should definitely have been two hours long! I think I'll always have a bit of a crush on him... And, to add some Joni content (and repeat a story I'm sure I must have told here...) A while back, I went to a terrific concert in Montreal, with CSN, Bruce Cockburn and others. Graham was introducing "Our House." He said that many years before he fell in love with a Canadian lady. I embarassed the whole group I was with at that point by yelling "Yay Joni!" Graham even paused for a second and kind of chuckled, then said that yes, the lady was Joni. Even though we stayed in the same hotel as CSN, and spent some time hanging out by the elevators, we never saw them. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! Bob, What an amazing accomplishment!!!! You are no doubt one of the most dedicated archivists of any artist's music there is. Just think, at Joni's favorite rate of ten songs per CD, that's the equivalent of 100 CDs!!! I'm not at all sure that any individual has recorded 100 CDs in their career. My hat's off to you Bob. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:26:26 -0400 From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Something disturbing NJC Suze wrote: > The theory of trained citizens looking out for each other though has proven to work. My neighborhood, for example, and others, began citizen brigades a few decades ago. Much like the minute men of revolutionary times, these folks, armed with nothing other than flashlights and two-way radios, took to > the streets to reclaim them. This captures the OPPOSITE, (or oppotips), of what I perceive the TIPS program to be about. A Neighborhood Watch is looking outward to protect citizens from more danger where the "danger" signs are more tangible: prowlers, unfamiliar cars cruising slowly by an empty house and things like that. The TIPS program is looking inward to protect citizens from their very own neighbors and the "danger" signs are far less tangible. If I dislike the phrase "God Bless America," and discuss it respectfully with my neighbor, does that put me on a "watch list?" If someone else is critical of our government's plan or a law and works against it, does that put them on a "watch list?" Perceived danger can be so subjective, it's a frightening thought to leave it to a neighborhood watch program no matter how well intentioned or trained. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) > running around the world waving our big bad dick ... Go Fred! You said it all so perfectly! Lori, caught on the fence between capitalism and socialism, with a good idea as to why others hate us so ... ~ Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Something disturbing NJC > Perceived danger can be so subjective, it's a frightening thought to > leave it to a neighborhood watch program no matter how well intentioned > or trained. Yup. Especially if the training is done by Shrub, Dick, Ashcreep, and their ilk. It's a very scary thought, indeed. Lori ~ Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:05:19 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash This was great, Anne! I sure many of us on this list can relate to this. I know I can.....I saw Diana Krall twice this year, once in Cincinnati and about two weeks later in Louisville, Ky. Anyway, she did not sing ACOY in Cincinnati..BUT she did in Louisville. And yeah....I went a little nuts....yelling Joni...Joni......yee haw.....BUT ANYTHING JONI... JUST HAS THIS EFFECT ON ME. (my friend that was with me just shook his head..... like I can't take you anywhere) Graham has always been my favorite....Crosby a close second. (Could be the accent?) Bree NP: Dwight Yoakam....A Thousand Miles From Nowhere >And, to add some Joni content (and repeat a story I'm >sure I must have told here...) > >A while back, I went to a terrific concert in Montreal, >with CSN, Bruce Cockburn and others. Graham was >introducing "Our House." He said that many years before >he fell in love with a Canadian lady. I embarassed the >whole group I was with at that point by yelling "Yay >Joni!" Graham even paused for a second and kind of >chuckled, then said that yes, the lady was Joni. >lots of love >Anne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:09:05 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! - NJC Congratulations Joni-bob!! You da Man! Thanks for ALL you do for us here on the list. Which reminds me, with all these new ones, it must be about time for another game of "Guess What Song The Great Joni-Bob is Thinking Of??" Take care, only 22 more days! Love, Tushie - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:56 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! Well, we made it! Thanks to alert jazzlover & dedicated Joni coverhound Joseph Palis, we hit the major 1000 milestone with: "Twisted" by Stella Ignacio, from "Jazzette" - 1996 "FOUL!!" You cry... "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" shouts the angry mob... "JONI DIDN'T WRITE TWISTED" offers the scoffing purist...to which the VP of Covers responds: Well, this is true...BUT Stella has stated that Joni was her inspiration for this recording, and indeed you can tell it when the muted trumpet sounds at the start all the way to the multi-tracked vocals at the end. This one is PURE Joni cover! (The mob backs down, lowers their torches and disperses peacefully...) Thanks Joseph for being my ears & eyes in the Pacific rim! And a MAJOR thanks to all who have helped me identify & collect all this information and music - we can give ourselves a well-deserved hand! Now on to the next 1000 (but don't worry, I shant bore you with the count)...until we get to 1990! ;~) Bob NP: Tracey Campbell, "Big Yellow Taxi" (awesome sultry jazz piano version) This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:12:28 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! - NJC > Which reminds me, with all these new ones, it must be about > time for another game of "Guess What Song The Great > Joni-Bob is Thinking > Of??" Yep...hang tight Tushie - a new month is but mere HOURS away! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) - --Fred wrote: > > Capitalism isn't really something I can believe in, in the true sense > of > believing. Hell, I don't even believe in religion, and for many > folks, > capitalism *is* their religion. I'm all for people making a profit > from their > hard work and good ideas, but not at the expense of others. And > that's where > it all falls down for me ... the exploitation of other people, > exploitation > of natural resources at a rate far disproportionate to the rest of > the world, > rampant avarice and all that results from it, running around the > world waving > our big bad dick ... the list goes on and on and it's all in the name > of > capitalism. This is something up with which I cannot put. > I need to step in here and say a great big me too, well said Fred. And I agree with Suze, this is a great forum to share one's ideas and thoughts, keeping in mind that differences are the spice of life. And here comes my slice of jalapeno pepper, it doesn't sit well with me to make that blanket statement 'I believe in capitalism' without looking under the covers first. That said, I can see that making a profit is a good thing, however, some of my concerns are: at what cost? How are these profits made? Who is being hurt and how and why? In whose best interests? Exploitation seems to be something that is a given, taken for granted by many, a *white-washed* oh well, that's the way it is philosophy. Like Fred, I find it very difficult to sit back in a state of comfortably numb and say nothing. As if to say what the hell, there's nothing *I* can do about *it*. Just because that's the way it is (for now), doesn't mean I have to like it. Mags np: Cano, au nord du notre vie ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:25:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: You really are the best! (NJC) Dear friends, Thank you so much for the birthday greetings! I continue to rejoice in the friendship that we share. It even makes turning ...mutter, mutter......grunt...53...somewhat palatable. My best to you all! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:33:15 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! >What an amazing accomplishment!!!! You are no doubt one >of the most dedicated archivists of any artist's music >there is. yes...your passion amazes me. Enjoying 32....I just love getting these in the mail. Happy continuing compiling! Huh? Well..you know what I mean.... Thanks for it all....your enthusiasm is just so infectious! Bree >Just think, at Joni's favorite rate of ten songs per >CD, that's the equivalent of 100 CDs!!! I'm not at all >sure that any individual has recorded 100 CDs in their >career. Joni people always thinking.... :-) >My hat's off to you Bob. > >lots of love >Anne _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:02:54 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Personal Choice - NJC Sue Cameron wrote "Yes, Mike, it is a personal choice. Some states in our country have laws where motorcyclists must wear helmets, other states don't. It is a personal choice whether or not to wear a helmet. I for one would, because I wouldn't want my brains splattered across the pavement, but there are times that I am driving two blocks to school where I teach and I forget to buckle up. Should I get a $50 ticket for that? I guess so if I choose to disregard a law that was put in place for my safety." Sue, my view here is that where there are significant economic consequences to your fellow taxpayers and insurance co-poolers, it stops being strictly a personal choice. If Humpty Dumpty is riding a motorcycle without a helmet, skids on an oil slick, slides into a car and splits his (Humpty's a male) head wide open (when a helmet would have prevented the injury), does that mean that the rest of us in society have the "choice" of not performing the 12 hour operation to save his life, not providing him with a month-long hopital stay and the six months in a rehabilitation center followed by a prolonged period of outpatient rehab in order to put Humpty back together again (or, perhaps in a wheel chair for life)? And then, in addition to the personnel resources saved to not have to fix Humpty up, would we also avoid having to watch our auto insurance rates rise, as well, since we did not have to cough up the $2 million in medical bills to fix the problem ? Similar argument with seatbelts, of course. Really this goes to the issue of rights versus privileges (with corresponding responsibilities). I think that a society is on solid ethical grounds when it establishes certain acts (such as riding a motorcycle on public roadways) as being privileges, and sets responsibilities on those who would exercise such privileges. Sue, this is not to skirt the main issues that you raised, that there need to be tradeoffs from time to time among our rights and privileges - when one is threatened, sometimes one of the others must be relaxed or suspended until the former has been secured. I agree with you completely on that. I also agree that there must be a better way than "TIPS" to handle this. As for "believing in American capitalism", while we all agree that it exists as an identifiable system, most of us who broadly support it as the way to go (as opposed to Socialism, for example) do so with the concession that it is the lesser of two evils. Better to try to harness a viable source of economic energy by limiting its excesses that to tinker with an intrinsically impotent method (human nature being what it is). In the early 1980's I spoke with a Russian couple who had emigrated from the USSR to the USA. They told me that the Russians' satiric description of their economic system was "we pretend to work, and the state pretends to pay us". Now if only you could convince all of the people to change their attitude about that........;-) Best regards, Bob S NP - The Last Waltz (which I rented and have now seen for the first - and second - enjoyable time). Joni was almost out of place there, it seemed to me, except that all of the boys wanted to touch her or kiss her - who could blame them? Coyote's a great song, and as usual she does a professional job with her song - even if her perfection was denied somehow once again. Still waiting for Bob Dylan to hit even a single note. Good grief - can't we see he has no clothes on (except for his hat)? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:08:26 EDT From: Pearlz2swine@aol.com Subject: Re: I read the biography of Joni Mitchell by Karen O'Brien Kardinel@aol.com writes : I have to say I was disappointed with it...Well I was too! And I said so right here, it seems others were satisfied with the read...oh well....I have been a lurker here..it is hard to come up with Joni content that is not directly from my mind! I asked everyone to visit my website then I took it down! Well, it is back up if you would like to see some odd paintings, often painted while listening to Joni.(www.seegod.net) I have been on an Ani Difranco binge and decided that she is the only new original..but the real reason I am posting is to recommend a CD from England ... that i am just LOVING..it is by a band called LAMB and the CD is called "What Sound"...I cant stop a listening!!! OK now for some Joni content....uh.... i love the background info i got here on 2 grey rooms..one of the most passionate songsI have ever heard......Hey how do you change your JDML to a new screen name? i got a new one that should work here well...ChalkmarkinRain @aol.com.. Peace all...Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Bruuce!!! njc Hey folks, Please come see my new & old photos on PhotoIsland.com! The album "Come on Rise Up" is of Bruce's Tour launch, The other "Asbury Park Rising is pictorial of a deserted Seaside when the "Boss" isn't in town. U can see the impact this "Nothing Man" has on his old hometown where his roots are. To get there, simply click the address below and enter your guest password: glory days http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=rosejoy47 If that doesn't work, go to www.photoisland.com, and log in to my albums with the following information: Log-in ID: rosejoy47 Guest Password: glory days _________________________________________________________________ See you @ PhotoIsland! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:49:12 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! Hey Y'all, thanks for the good words! We DO indeed have a database we can be very proud of. I've seen a couple of other artist websites that catalogue covers of an artist's songs, and if not *the* best ours is certainly up there. There's a pretty comprehensive site on Springsteen covers, but it's not "searchable" and as flexible as ours. For the wonderful layout and flexibility that "Joni Undercover" offers us, recognition has to go to that "Wizard behind the curtain", Les Irvin. Les, thanks for giving me the framework and webspace to do such a cool thing! And of course, ultimately, the REAL kudos goes to the brilliance of Joni, whose songs have inspired so many folks to perform and record them! Bob NP: Bruce, "Highway 29" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:10:59 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! njc OK Bob, for this I'm throwing in the Stone Pony towel as well. Congrats! Love, Rosalita NP: Bruce's new CD and loving it too! you're right, he's gotta a smash hit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: July 31st (NJC) indeed! happy birthday to a gentleman and dulcimer player! you are one of the kindest jmdlers i've had the pleasure of hanging out with and listening to. truly, steve, i hope its a stellar one. alison e. in slc. np: bruce, lonesome day. what a great fecking song! - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y S T E V E D U > L S O N !!!!!!!! > > Am I going to have to fly out to CA again to see you> and your lovely wife > Michele, or are you two gonna go to a Jonifest???? > Have a great birthday > Steve! > DBF > Jimmy Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:15:19 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bruuce!!! njc >Please come see my new & old photos on PhotoIsland.com! >The album "Come on Rise Up" is of Bruce's Tour launch, The other "Asbury >Park Rising is pictorial of a deserted Seaside when the "Boss" isn't in >town. U can see the impact this "Nothing Man" has on his old hometown where >his roots are. Hi Rose, Thanks for sharing!! I lived in Ocean City, NJ back in the mid-eighties (failed relationship) anyway...I don't really think I got the feel for Bruce's NJ or yours for that matter. (I never ventured much out of the little area I lived in) Asbury Park really "looks" like Bruce....I admire him , but never really a true fan. So this is the first time I have seen the famous Stone Pony. I love the balloons! Oh and the dome building with the broken glass.....other than the really neat architecture, any significance? The gem for me: Alace Amus en What a picture!! Take care all... Bree _________________________________________________________________ > See you @ PhotoIsland! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:30:53 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! njc > NP: Bruce's new CD and loving it too! you're right, he's > gotta a smash hit That's right! If we don't all buy many copies of The Rising, the terrorists win! :~) Truthfully, I think some of these songs sound flat on the CD, but once he gets on stage they will be dynamite powerful tear-jerkers. I'm already hearing some reports about the rehearsals/ concerts they're doing and it sounds amazing. Bob NP: Bruce, Badlands from "Live In NY City" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:19:46 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: something disturbing - not happening (NJC) Anne, I gave a link to an article the other day that said it was going to be (thankfully) scrapped. Here's further confirmation at this article link http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/3748426.htm Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: something disturbing - not happening (NJC) Thanks for sharing the link, Kakki. Makes me feel a wee bit better (although I'd feel MUCH better if someone would somehow get Ashcreep out of that office). Lori ~ Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:40:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: something disturbing - not happening (NJC) thanks for this kakki...hooray for the aclu & i NEVER thought i'd say this but hooray for the conservative republicans! lol... "TIPS was part of President Bush's recently-released homeland security plan, but it drew fire from Republican conservatives and from the American Civil Liberties Union" "Ashcroft also said that TIPS volunteers wouldn't spy on ordinary people. Rather, he told lawmakers, volunteers would report on "anomalies, things that are different" and raise suspicions." http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/3748426.htm things that are different? hmmm.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Something disturbing NJC - --- MGVal@aol.com wrote: > > This captures the OPPOSITE, (or oppotips), of what I > perceive the TIPS program to be about. A > Neighborhood Watch is looking outward to protect > citizens from more danger where the "danger" signs > are more tangible: prowlers, unfamiliar cars > cruising slowly by an empty house and things like > that. > I've been following this thread with great interest. (Loved "oppotips" and wish I had said that). Everytime someone makes a point - any point - I think, yeah, that makes sense - even when the person is disagreeing with someone else with whom I kind of agreed just before that. Which only goes to show you the many sides of any argument and how there can be both good and bad in such a plan (IMO mostly bad and ill-advised and thought up by knee-jerk reactionaries who haven't given it a great deal of thought - oh yeah, politicians, that's what I mean.) The whole problem is, nothing is simple when it comes to human beings. The best-laid plans of mice and men and so on. Theoretically we should all be looking out for one another. If we were all doing that, then we probably wouldn't need to be suspicious of one another. Or theoretically, if we were all suspicious of one another, we'd all be on our best behaviour in order to avoid being nailed for something we may (or may not) have done. Theoretically, capitalism is good, because if we all work hard, we'll all make lots of money, and no one will go to bed hungry at night, and we'll all have satellite dishes and big cars or whatever we see as signs of success. Theoretically communism is also good because we'd all work hard and we'd share everything with those who weren't able to work hard because they were old or infirm (or lazy? Nah, there is no such thing as lazy to the true communist, I imagine - laziness may be a form of undetected disability, or an undiagnosed depression, or what-have you, so not the person's fault, OK?) and no one would go to bed hungry and so on. Factor into the equation - PEOPLE! Basically, people suck. If they all thought the right way (that is, my way), then we'd all be happy. It's that simple. Or, as Charlie Brown (or maybe it was Snoopy) once said: "I love mankind. It's people I can't stand." ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:54:41 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Homeland security (NJC) "Suze Cameron" writes: >The point I was trying to make was are we, as Americans, willing to give >up some freedom to help guarantee our safety. Reminds me too much of the war in Vietnam ... "kill for peace." I'm not willing to give up a shred of freedom for anything. That said, I don't define freedom as the right not to wear seatbelts (or motorcycle helmets). Those aren't freedoms ... freedom is deeper than that. Having to wade through an hour or two of airport security in order to travel to wherever I want would not be an infringement on my freedom, but being prevented from traveling in the first place because of things I've said, or beliefs I espouse, would be. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:02:08 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Wayne Shorter (tangential JC) "Jerry Notaro" writes: >Wayne Shorter's new cd, Footprints Live (with Brian Blade) got a 4 star >review from the new Sound and Vision. It is excellent, and quite challenging. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:11:17 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruuce!!! njc In a message dated 7/31/02 3:16:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > Oh and the dome building with the broken > glass.....other than the really neat architecture, any significance? Hi Bree! That's what remains of the Casino. If you've ever listened to "Sandy", it's mentioned there. ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:20:15 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! njc In a message dated 7/31/02 3:31:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Truthfully, I think some of these songs sound flat on the CD, but once he > gets on stage they will be dynamite powerful tear-jerkers. I'm already > hearing some reports about the rehearsals/ concerts they're doing and it > sounds amazing. > While listening to "Nothing Man" today I cried my eyes out. I guess I connected though. ~rose in NJ BUY THE CD!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:29:41 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: assorted musings on things joni... WARREN901@aol.com writes: >how powerful is joni's a cappella >'the fiddle and the drum' I agree. In fact, I think "The Fiddle and the Drum" is one of Joni's great under rated songs, often overlooked. It's an inspired and masterful melody which, although a capella, is full of implied harmony. And the lyric ... well, it just seems to me that it's more germane than ever. In light of recent discussions of U.S. policy here, I've included it below. - -Fred THE FIDDLE AND THE DRUM And so once again My dear Johnny my dear friend And so once again you are fightin' us all And when I ask you why You raise your sticks and cry, and I fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say I have turned Like the enemies you've earned But I can remember All the good things you are And so I ask you please Can I help you find the peace and the star Oh, my friend What time is this To trade the handshake for the fist And so once again Oh, America my friend And so once again You are fighting us all And when we ask you why You raise your sticks and cry and we fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say we have turned Like the enemies you've earned But we can remember All the good things you are And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:23:53 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) A plain spoken editorial on exactly what is so fucked up about the TIPS program from The Boston Globe. An excerpt: "Ashcroft's informant corps is a vile idea not merely because it violates civil liberties in a narrow legal sense or because it will sabotage genuine efforts to prevent terrorism by overloading law enforcement officials with irrelevant reports about Americans who have nothing to do with terrorists. Operation TIPS should be stopped because it is utterly anti-American. It would give Stalin and the KGB a delayed triumph in the Cold War - in the name of the Bush administration's war against terrorism." Full essay at http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0717-01.htm - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:33:32 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Jonifest Invite A Fantasy (please indulge me) Dear Joni, Hope you are enjoying your new computer and enjoying the surf. By now you've figured out we're a bunch of freaks, but we mean no harm, really. Should you have nothing on your agenda for the weekend of August 24-25 (right!), why not come on up to The Full Moon Alternative Resort and Conference Center, in Oliverea, NY, and hang out with us? Just for one night? There'll be great food, wine and drink, guitars, a swiming pool, and fabulous people from all over. What more could a person want? Hope to see you soon, Love, Michaelo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:19:18 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Jonilist and partners Dear All, I've been wondering for months now if y'all are *out* JMDLers, and if so, what do your friends and significant others think of your *obsession* ? ! For example, whenever the subject comes up among friends, I get teased gently by them, who, by and large, do not *get* Joni. They are, however, bemused (and somewhat envious, I suspect) of my passion, and wish they could experience something similar. My partner is no great fan of Joni's either. In fact, he is quite put off by her rebellious nature (which is, of course, one of the reasons why we love her, isn't it?) If pressed he will admit that his favorite albums of hers are the first, STAS, and the last, BSN. Isn't that interesting? Just wondering what your experience is like, beyond the List... Michaelo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:02:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: I read the biography of Joni Mitchell by Karen O'Brien < < < Subject: re: Nash and Joni Last week I listened to a radio show where the featured guest was Graham Nash. (This wasn't the NPR bit that I also caught a little of) On this show, callers from all over the country could call in and ask Nash a question. I heard one caller ask Nash if the song "Willie" by Joni Mitchell was written about him. Nash confirmed that it was (like we didn't know that already). He also explained that William was his middle name and mentioned four people who still call him Willie -Joni, his mother, and ??. I was pretty tired and could not stay awake to hear the whole program. I did hear him complain about why there were not more female callers. He also confirmed that the song "Carrie Ann" was written about Mary Anne Faithful. Did anyone catch this show and hear if there were any more Joni mentions? Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:47:59 EDT From: Pearlz2swine@aol.com Subject: need to read P.S. I would be happy to send my copy of Shadows and Light out to whoever wants to read it..as long as they send it to the next person.... Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:35:19 -0700 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Jonilist and partners > I've been wondering for months now if y'all are *out* JMDLers, and if so, what > do your friends and significant others think of your *obsession* ? ! > > Michaelo I wear my Joni adoration out on my sleeve as a badge of honour, Michaelo! I testify. What can I more than pity poor souls who aren't so blessed as to fathom her genius? Listening to Joni's art is the spice of my life. I know not what course others may take. She completes me. Yet verbalizing my appreciation of her is like dancing heartfelt delight with one's own senses of sound and vision. Like remarking with only your twinkling eyes how gosh-darn giddy you are at your good fortunate to be alive, imbued with an immortal soul and sharing a golden moment with them. Invariably those who love you, *really* love you, will smile and understand. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:30:35 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: something disturbing - not happening (NJC) Kate, Of all the various groups on the spectrum I've observed on this issue it has been the conservative republicans who have been the most apoplectic about, and ragingly opposed to TIPs. They make the commentary here on Ashcroft pale in comparison. True conservatives also often agree with, and work together with the ACLU, significantly along the same lines, to continue to fight against the Carnivore program (fought for and approved by Clinton and Janet Reno) which has given the FBI and the government the power and ability to read all our emails looking for suspected criminal activity for about 3 years now. This is not just something people are debating - they have been doing it, just like rifling through our mailboxes, all this time. The fight continues... here's an ACLU link if you are interested http://www.aclu.org/cgi-bin/aclu/AT-aclu_newssearch.cgi Kakki > thanks for this kakki...hooray for the aclu & i NEVER thought i'd say this > but hooray for the conservative republicans! lol... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #307 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)