From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #306 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 31 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 306 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: July 30 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today in History: July 30 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Mags N Brei ] Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name now njc [] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! [Jerry Notaro ] quick post with JC [MGVal@aol.com] SIQUOMB (njc) [Steve Polifka ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) ["Mike Pritchard" ] Homeland security (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #218 [Kate ] Ed Harcourt NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Mary Casey ] Re: Joni in literature ["J.David Sapp" ] BRUUUCE!!! NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: BRUUUCE!!! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Wayne Shorter ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Wayne Shorter [Denny Giovanetti ] Re:Siquomb, isn't she? [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: Homeland security (NJC) [Denny Giovanetti ] Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: cocteau twins NJC [Alison E ] RE: Siquomb, isn't she? ["patrick leader" ] Re: Ed Harcourt NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] re: what song did Ruth hear in the wine store ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash ["kakki" ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash [Michael Paz ] scientists prove it - joni was right!!! ["flopit" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:16:10 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: July 30 On July 30 the following item was published: 1979: "Charles, Joni and the Circle Game" - Village Voice (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790730vv.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:16:10 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 30 1983: Joni performs at the Red Rocks Amphitheater - in the foothills overlooking Denver - in the final concert of the 1983 tour. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? thanks for the great intro Mary. I guess the way to learn about 'us' is to keep reading and watch as the personalities take flight before you. It is a wonderful space to learn about all things Joni, which serves as a spring board to more than that. The NJC space seems to be where the life stories fall. I discovered Joni Mitchell while doing a late shift at a distress centre in small town Ontario years ago, and from there, my life has taken many a turn, with Joni at my side every step of the way. It is often said that the lyrics and music of Joni Mitchell can be seen as the sound track to a life, our life. Court and Spark was the first album of Joni's that I heard, and from there, I turned to Blue and Ladies of the Canyon. Not only will you receive the Joni education of a lifetime, you just never know who you will meet in Jmdl*land and how your life will change. again, a warm welcome to you, Mags, in South Jersey npimh: i am a canadian. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:57:27 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name now njc > I figure at some point there had to be a first person > by the name of [whatever], so trying to name your kids > after saints is a bit of a loser's game. We might just > as well name them all Jesus and Mary. One day there > likely will be a St. Tiffany for example or a St. > Kyle, and for all I know, there already is somewhere > in the world. > Let me add my voice to a chorus of people named after a saint. My name is Joseph, but when my parents had me christened, the priest insisted that they put something saint-like in my name (and Joseph is not reminiscent of a Biblical character?). Unable to think of something they were prompted by the priest to add "Santos" after Joseph. So my first name is really Joseph Santos (which is St. Joseph). When I was growing up, cruel kids taunted me because of my name (they were also named after saints but not as explicit as St. Joseph) and when I went to primary school, I dropped "Santos" altogether. However, that turned out to be a big mistake. The first time I went abroad, people at the immigration cannot reconcile Joseph Santos Palis with Joseph Palis. So I have to have a lawyer to put in black and white that Joseph Palis is really also Joseph Santos Palis. Now, I make sure that Santos is always in my legal papers so there won't be a confusion, and so I can travel easily. That's when they found out I had dual nationality... but that's another story in itself that needs saintly intercession to resolve. Joseph Eurasian but happy to claim he is ASian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:56:41 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Siquomb 'SIQUOMB' was also the name of Joni's publishing entity for the first couple of albums, I believe. It morphed to 'Joni Mitchell Publishing Corp' for a awhile around the 'Blue' period, before she landed on 'Crazy Crow'. Hello to all, sorry I've been such a lurker. I've been chipping in on the NEFest 2002 list and am looking forward to that 'just a little'! ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:29:01 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? > there's also a major cover > album that i think was finished a long time ago and for > some reason it > hasn't been released. The "some reason" may be the fact that Reprise is run by idiots with their corporate thumbs up their 'you-know-where's, but not to despair...new Joni Mitchell tributes come out every month - Volume 32 is just days away! And the "countdown to 1000" rolls on, drawing ever closer with: #999, Pat Valentino, "Chelsea Morning" Time to start chilling the champagne! ;~) Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Meeting Across The River" 9/19/78 ("The Rising" comes out today - Whoo-Hoo!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:29:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > #998 Micki Esselstyn, "Both Sides Now", from her International best-seller > "Micki Esselstyn Sings"...this poor person looks like one of the Kids In The > Hall in drag: And sounds worse. YIKES! Jerry NW: Bruce on the Today show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:31:42 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Siquomb > 'SIQUOMB' was also the name of Joni's publishing entity for the first couple > of albums, I believe. It morphed to 'Joni Mitchell Publishing Corp' for a > awhile around the 'Blue' period, before she landed on > 'Crazy Crow'. True, and before SIQUOMB it was GANDALF Publishing, at least I've seen that listed on some of the early cover LP's. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:40:20 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! > And sounds worse. YIKES! Well, as those who've been on the "Covers" ride since the beginning can attest, never let lack of talent stop you from recording a Joni song! :~) Bob NP: Jungle Land 9/19/78 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:48:56 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #305 I read the biography of Joni Mitchell by Karen O'Brien. I got it up in Canada. I have to say I was disappointed with it. It really didn't convey to me who Joni Mitchell is. I guess that is the trouble with bios when the person is living. A biographer doesn't have access to letters and papers and friends aren't able to be forthcoming. I found there wasn't a lot of detail. Most of the information wasn't new and it wasn't all that well written. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:50:51 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Mary Casey wrote: > Other musical artists currently in frequent rotation for me are: Neil > Finn, Meshell Ndegeocello, Rickee Lee Jones, Lucinda Williams, Janis Ian, > David Gray. I am always interested in learning of new singer/songwriter > music that awakens my spirit. Well, Mary you've definitely found kin folks here. They are mentioned here often as favorites of many listers. Bob Muller turned me on to Ed Harcourt a while back, and he opened for Neil Finn recently in NYC. Jerry Still Playing: Bruce on Today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:09:45 -0400 From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: quick post with JC Things have finally quieted down around here so I can participate a wee bit. I gave up and deleted the bazillion pieces of email sitting in my AOL account that have built up over the past few months and am starting fresh from the most recent digest. (1) Joni Content as measly as it is first: While at the gym, I was flipping through last week's issue of either Entertainment Weekly, US, People or Accounting Review Daily, (who can keep 'em straight), and noticed a "celebrity look alike" section. They put Aimee Mann down as morphing into Joni Mitchell, using the photo of JM taken from the Last Waltz with her guitar, burgundy danskin, wrap skirt and thunderhead necklace. Even without my glasses, that picture of Joni caught my eye right off the bat. (2)Newcomer Mary Casey writes: > I am a graphic designer in Sacramento, California. Very Groovy! Not many, (that I know of), list members in the capitol area. I live in Davis and work just outside Sacramento. Been here for 9'ish years. (3) Ongoing discussion about TIPS: The luck of the draw has me spending a fair amount of time with a group of fairly conservative people. Their stance on this is: "if you have nothing to hide then what's the issue?" And sadly, I think that is a common enough sentiment with silent majority like folks. Personally, I am not a big fan of displaying the flag. If most of my neighbors have one out, am I report-worthy for that transgression? What if I simply can't afford to buy one or am too inept to get one hanging from my front porch? By the time that comes to light, what legal and pesonal expenses have I racked up to defend myself? Or will there be more subtle consequences? As Kakki said, it's a bad and dumb idea and we can come up with a better one. (4) Bruce!!!!!!!! I have tickets to the August 27th show in San Jose! Anyone else on the list going to see the Boss? MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:41:41 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: SIQUOMB (njc) Anne wrote: >In your case, Sharon, it means "She is queen undeniably >of many bees" Really? I thought it meant: Someday, I, Queen of the Universe (will) Own Much Booty! Steve, getting ready for Michiana Pridefest in South Bend, IN. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:43:32 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) sue cameron wrote>>The WTC, a symbol of all that we believe in, American capitalism, brought down like a house of cards. >It's not a symbol of what I believe in. And I know I'm not the only one. > >-Fred Symbolic of American capitalism. Wouldn't you say the WTC was that? Do you not believe in capitalism? If not, what then do you belive in? Hey, I am genuinely interested here, and I hope that this doesn't come off sounding sarcastic. You say that wasn't a symbol of what you believe, and post it to the list, so maybe you could tell us more. What is America to you? Sorry to our world contingent of members. I know this gets boring for you. Maybe you could even chime in on how Big Brother works in your countries. When I was in England the latest outrage was video cameras set up to catch speeders. So Fred, please enighten me. I really am just a Polyanna who wants things to be good again. I live in a small village where I don't lock my doors. I know everyone and they know me. We all look out for each other. Sue _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:56:21 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) Sue wrote: >> What freedoms are you willing to relinquish in the fight against terrorism? None? I am only saying that if the government decides to do this and it is voted through (as Kakki thinks it won't be) then don't we have a duty to obey? << I am not a US citizen but I don't think any citizen of any country has a duty to blind obedience. I could be wrong, legally speaking, but I would say that citizens have a moral duty to change bad laws rather than obey them. This they can do by writing to their elected representatives, voting, protesting in the street and / or any legal ways they feel to be justified. Sue went on: >> it is for my own good that I now buckle up, but I did give up a right to decide what risk I took while driving.<< Is this really such a big right to lose, the right to fly through the windscreen, possibly losing your head in the process? Sue continued: >> The WTC, a symbol of all that we believe in, American capitalism, brought down like a house of cards. << To which Fred replied >>It's not a symbol of what I believe in. And I know I'm not the only one.<< I'm with Fred here. Sue continued: >> Is it really too much to ask that we look out for each other in an organized, concerted effort?<< No it isn't, but that is not what the TIPS programme sounds like to me. Kakki is right when she says >> This one is a bad and dumb idea.<< Resist it, it's your duty. Mike in Barcelona. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:00:27 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Homeland security (NJC) Denny, The point I was trying to make was are we, as Americans, willing to give up some freedom to help guarantee our safety. I think maybe Kakki said it best that let's not create something new, but revamp the systems already in place. As far as the WTC goes, to me this day, I feel personally threatened to know that civilian targets are "fair game". I did agree with your comment that the Constitution is what sets us apart, but did the terrorists find the original copy and burn it? You wrote: >spying on one another, prying into one's library record, food selections, favorite bumper stickers, etc. while seeming to be obvious, just aren't going to make the measure, IMHO. Of course you know this already occurs to some extent. You are on a magazine subscription list, your library account is computerized, when you shop at the market if you use the store's built in "coupon catcher" bar code they know who you are and what you are buying, every time you drive to another state a picture is taken of your liscense plate, Hell, even when you go through the toll booths in Chicago they film whether or not you throw the correct change into the basket! I think back to what Wally said about his Argentina, the reason things had gone so bad was that for years apathy had ruled. My point was that we lost so much on September 11th; are we willing to roll up our sleves and realize that we all have some work to do regarding homeland security? Whether it be lobbying our congress or writing letters to Ashcroft, now is the time to be active. Sue _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:18:41 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) Hey Mike, Well, thanks for your two cents here. While I think the TIPS program is ill advised, I believe we have to do something. For years we have sat back and thought ourselves untouchable. Even after Okalhoma City, and Osama's 1994 attempt to bring down the towers. The theory of trained citizens looking out for each other though has proven to work. My neighborhood, for example, and others, began citizen brigades a few decades ago. Much like the minute men of revolutionary times, these folks, armed with nothing other than flashlights and two-way radios, took to the streets to reclaim them. Mike wrote: I am not a US citizen but I don't think any citizen of any country has a duty to blind obedience. Well Mike, if we don't obey the laws until we have a chance to change them what does that make us? I never wrote we should blindly follow anything. In fact, what I am saying is that it is time to open our eyes from the hazy nap of contentment we have lived in all these years. We need to be vigilant and look out for one another, not just assume that all is well. >Sue went on: it is for my own good that I now buckle up, but I did give up a right to decide what risk I took while driving.<< Mike wrote: >Is this really such a big right to lose, the right to fly through the windscreen, possibly losing your head in the process? Yes, Mike, it is a personal choice. Some states in our country have laws where motorcyclists must wear helmets, other states don't. It is a personal choice whether or not to wear a helmet. I for one would, because I wouldn't want my brains splattered across the pavement, but there are times that I am driving two blocks to school where I teach and I forget to buckle up. Should I get a $50 ticket for that? I guess so if I choose to disregard a law that was put in place for my safety. This has been an interesting thread. That is what I love about America, many voices, all able to be heard through freedom of speech. Sue _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:33:46 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #218 In a novel by Timothy Findley, called Spadeworks, a character is dying of an overdose and Both Sides Now comes on the radio. If I remember correctly. Sheet. Meant to write it down at the time, but... Kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:14:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Ed Harcourt NJC > Bob Muller turned me on to Ed Harcourt a > while back And *I* only knew about it because of the generosity of one Michael Paz! Ed Harcourt's "Here Be Monsters" is a great new CD, very reminiscent of Jeff Buckley for those who were JB fans. Bob NP: She's The One, 9/19/78 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:14:20 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Ed Harcourt also opened for Neil Finn at he Fillmore in San Francisco at the beginning of this month. He was great! Jerry Notaro wrote: > Mary Casey wrote: > > > Other musical artists currently in frequent rotation for me are: Neil > > Finn, Meshell Ndegeocello, Rickee Lee Jones, Lucinda Williams, Janis Ian, > > David Gray. I am always interested in learning of new singer/songwriter > > music that awakens my spirit. > > Well, Mary you've definitely found kin folks here. They are mentioned here > often as favorites of many listers. Bob Muller turned me on to Ed Harcourt a > while back, and he opened for Neil Finn recently in NYC. > > Jerry > > Still Playing: Bruce on Today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:28:16 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Joni in literature <<>> i'm thinkig Yvette In English from TI. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:26:00 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: BRUUUCE!!! NJC In a message dated 7/30/02 9:10:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: > (4) Bruce!!!!!!!! > > I have tickets to the August 27th show in San Jose! Anyone else on the list > going to see the Boss? > > Oh, u are a lucky gal MG! I can't even get tickets and I still live in this fecking state! SOLD OUT! But.... I did see him on the big screen in Asbury Park early this morning for the Today Show interview. Tens of thousands of people came from all over the states. You couldn't even move in the Stone Pony last night and they had to have all the doors open to extend the party outside. No one was turned away. The heat index rose to 120 degrees. Bruce fans are very mellow people. Everyone was so nice. Even the Police love him as they left my illegally parked vehicle without a ticket which is amazing for the Jersey Shore:0) The Pony stayed open all night even though they had to stop serving liqueur at 2AM. They served us breakfast instead. Kudos to the Stone Pony Staff, (especially Melinda and Bill) & The Asbury Park Press, as they supplied us all with bottled water and free posters throughout the night. Oh and did I mention I was interviewed LOL! I got lots of Bruce memorabilia ;) I spent the night camped out at Brucestock only to have a glimpse of him as he drove himself down the ramp into the Convention Hall Center around 7:15 this morning in his black smoke glassed land rover. I love him more for this. I did meet a Bruce look alike who sang & played Rosalita for me. More on this later....... A much sleep deprived Rose in NJ zzzzzzzzzzzzz NP: The Boss, The Rising ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:43:57 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BRUUUCE!!! NJC Boy this sounds like a COOL story Rose, or maybe MANY cool stories!! Get your sleep, and then spill all the details. ;~) Bob NP: Bruce, "Nothing Man" (just picked it up on my lunch hour & lovin' it) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:33:24 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Wayne Shorter Wayne Shorter's new cd, Footprints Live (with Brian Blade) got a 4 star review from the new Sound and Vision. Jerry np: Dusty Springfield - Quiet Please There Is a Lady On Stage (Royal Albert Hall 1979) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: Wayne Shorter "Jerry Notaro" wrote: >Wayne Shorter's new cd, Footprints Live (with Brian Blade) got a 4 star >review from the new Sound and Vision. And 5 stars in downbeat (and, so far, six straight days on my cd player). Also, great review in Tower's Pulse (4 stars). GREAT selections, band performances--and cd! Denny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:08:58 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re:Siquomb, isn't she? greetings mary and welcome to the list ! i'm glad you have joined us ! i may seem a bit late with my welcome but i have good reason, i'm on the ' joni only digest ' and receive the posts the day after they were written,delayed so they can be sorted as to joni content. i'm fairly new to the list, a little under a year, but joni and i go back some thirty odd years. ( i didn't know what siquomb was either until i joined the list !) anyway...welcome. i hope you will find the list as rewarding as i have, i have learned alot of new things in my short time among the faithful here on the list. ( i hope i have shared some worthwhile things too ! ) have you visited our sister site the joni mitchell homepage ? if not i beleive there is a link from JMDL, i actually found the list through a link from the homepage.give it a visit and see what you think... jonily yours, warren keith p.s. sit back and enjoy the ride ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: Homeland security (NJC) - --- "Suze Cameron" wrote: >. . .I think maybe Kakki said it best that let's not create something new, but revamp the systems already in place. Sue-- I agree w/Kakki. However, by going back to pre-11 September systems to determine _why_ the hijackers fell through the cracks, and then base some security measure on that information. That at least is to the point, rather than the far-flung grasp of The Patriot's Act and TIPS. >I did agree with your comment that the Constitution is what sets us apart, but did the terrorists find the original copy and burn it? I don't see the relevance. There's a vast difference between burning the original Constitution and mandating changes that violate the spirit and intent of the Constitution. The very thought of "We the People. . ." and the ideals that brought the phrase to light are the very core to which we should aspire (one reason why it remains a living document). Someone could burn the original copy and it wouldn't matter, because the document is one of ideas. And those matter. The issue of security is an unsettling one, and, one in which there will never be adequate satisfaction. Despite any effort, security can be breached. (Witness this morning's suicide bombing in, according to CNN, "the most heavily guarded section of Jerusalem.") >Of course you know this already occurs to some extent. You are on a magazine subscription list, your library account is computerized, when you shop at the market. . . Yes and no: Yes, unfortunately Safeway, et al, know my eating habits better than my mother, who still thinks I like my brocolli processed through the de-flavorizer. But, as a former librarian, I can write without reservation that electronic security has always been a major issue, in particular, the privacy of patron records. Once an item is returned, the patron record is cleared. These safeguards are built into automated systems. (And, yes, I'm sure that some software intern could make those disparite electrons dance and do the hully-gully, and ultimately re-create the patron's record. Like I wrote, any security can be breached. But as a matter of course, that record is private. And I haven't read anything about the hijackers having had library cards.) You can check out more (pun optional) at ALA.org. Denny, truly appreciating this discussion, and all of the points made. NP: Bill Frisell, "Strange Meeting" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:01:05 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: assorted musings on things joni... hello purveyors of all things joni !!! i recently decided to listen to the entire joni catalog back-to-back in chronological order. i thought it would be of interest to hear the progression of her music over the years since her 1968 release of STAS. i proceed to load the first six in my magazine and took it out to my beetle.it is five days later and i am stuck with my head in the " clouds." i had not heard clouds in a while and i guess i was in dire need of a listening. i had forgotten how altogether lovely it is, and so many memories flooded in... the ability of my mind to remember thirty-three year old lyrics when i can't remember what i had for dinner last night never cease to amaze me !!! what a wonderful collection of songs. ' i think i understand ' is truly astonding, and ' roses blue ' really blows me away. i have always been partial to ' that song about the midway,' and at the risk of being burned at the stake for heresy, i will say i believe i like bonnie raitt's version just a wee bit more than joni's. how powerful is joni's a cappella ' the fiddle and the drum' ... i guess you get the point huh ? at this rate it may take me several months to get through them all, maybe even years ! i think tomarrow i will move on to LOTC. ( don't even get me started, this is the album that introduced me to joni in 1970 ! ) i'll let ya'll know when i've move on to " blue," but don't hold your breath... oh, before i leave, it strikes me that james taylor has always referred to our goddess as joan, i also believe graham nash does too. i have a friend who lived in hollywood until recently and i remember her relating once that a friend of her's,i think his name was rocky, was working with joni on a video from NRH. he was a regular bowling buddy of joni's and he too called her joan, looks as if the evidence is mounting... in joan we trust, warren keith p.s. speaking of graham nash... A&E's biography tonight is on the bloke, i personally think there is going to be a joni mention ! later... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:07:28 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: joni in school just came across a "virtual school" using the circlle game for a lesson... http://www.nsd61.org/VirtualSchool/Courses/Eng33/Lessons/Unit4_1.html i kind of like the quote: "These life passages have been the subject of many kinds of creative work. One of the best all-time examples is the classic song "The Circle Game" by Canadian artist Joni Mitchell. " & they even have a link to an audio file. now - thats what i call education :-) ron np - pete o'connel - dizzy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:13:08 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash warren writes: I'm thinking there will be JC, too. By the way, Graham Nash's solo CD _Songs for Survivors_ is being released today on Artemis records. It was produced by Russell Kunkel, who is widower to Nicolette Larson, and their son. Nash will be touring behind the CD starting in September. Kakki is going to go crazy over his touring band: Kunkel on drums Jeff Pevar (of Crosby's band CPR) - guitar Dean Parks - Guitar Larry Klein (Joni's ex-husband) - bass James Raymond (CPR)- keyboards and "Others" - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: cocteau twins NJC - --- Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley wrote: > Oh God, the Cocteau Twins lyrics -- Every time I > listen to "Spangle > Maker", which is my favorite song of theirs (along > with Aikea Guinea), I > swear I hear the word "Tampon" about 400 times. Is > it just me? LOL! evian, it's not just you. although, i don't remember "tampon" specifically! i love the cocteau twins, still listen to them when in the right mood. it's definitely mood music. i will always love elizabeth frazier. did i spell that right? anyway, good luck with the non-smoking! and it's nice to hear about your daughter, and that you are all well. keep up the ozzy dreams! alison e. in slc Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:44:18 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Siquomb, isn't she? >Hi Patrick, >Where do you live now? Are you still dancing? I live really close >to Sac State. >Small world, eh? > i've been in new york city since '86. love it to death, even with what we've been through. i danced (performed and choreographed) here for about 10 years, still take class though i'm definitely in retirement and another career. >About the early 80's albums: I have Wild Things Run Fast and Dog >Eat Dog. (Are >there more early 80's?) nope, that's it, and i think they're the two weakest albums of her career. i respect them, i think they were part of her growth. i love, love 'chalkmark' (later '80s) though others on the list might disagree. i also think she and larry couldn't have done NRH, which is BRILLIANTLY produced (and i love good production) if they hadn't made the '80s album. VERY partial to Hejira and >Hissing of >Summer Lawns. Blue goes without saying, doesn't it? > and yet always worth saying again. all three, actually. glad to have you aboard, mary. patrick np - fauri - sonata in a major, op. 15 (transcribed for flute and piano) galway and o'riley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:21:14 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Ed Harcourt NJC In a message dated 30/07/02 16:15:01 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << And *I* only knew about it because of the generosity of one Michael Paz! Ed Harcourt's "Here Be Monsters" is a great new CD, very reminiscent of Jeff Buckley for those who were JB fans. >> And as the unofficial Kashmir Klub International Spokesman, I have to get a plug in and say that Ed Harcourt first started to ply his trade 2-3 years ago at our very own musical hothouse in Marylebone, the same place that saw Ben Christophers's first ever live performances, and has also given early exposure to Muse, Nerina Pallot and Ben & Jason amongst others. I was there this evening, and it was a superb line-up: Lewis Taylor, who is a stunning singer and songwriter (imagine a slightly nerdy looking white guy from North London who just happens to sound like Marvin Gaye); Antonio Forcione (from Italy), who is one of the best guitarists I've EVER seen, and that includes Pat Metheny, Martin Taylor, Kevin Eubanks and Stanley Jordan; Modeste Hugues, a guitar sorcerer from Madagascar; Pascal Danae, a red hot singer and guitarist from Haiti; KT Tunstall, a terrific young singer-songwriter from somewhere north of the border (and I mean Scottish, not Watford Gap); Sonna, a prodigiously talented young R&B-type singer; and Earl Okin, a venerable singer, guitarist and raconteur who plays the finest mouth trumpet anywhere. All this for free! Azeem in sultry London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:08:13 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: what song did Ruth hear in the wine store I would guess that Ruth heard "Yvette in English" from TI. This song is a very close cousin to "The Only Joy in Town" in my own head. Ruth, if you don't have TURBULENT INDIGO yet, you must buy it soon! It is such a wonderful album! Mia -npimh, Yvette in English (of course) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name now njc - --- jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: > The first time I > went abroad, people at the immigration cannot > reconcile Joseph Santos > Palis with Joseph Palis. So I have to have a lawyer > to put in black and > white that Joseph Palis is really also Joseph Santos > Palis. That's incredible. What's their problem? It's like a middle name - lots of us have those. My brother-in-law, who is Mexican had trouble when he immigrated to Canada because in Mexico they use both their father's and mother's surnames, with the mother's surname coming AFTER the father's. He was generally known by his father's surname, so he was known generally as Rafael Balarezo. But he would normally sign his name Rafael Balarezo Berumen or Rafael Balarezo B. That drove Anglo-Canadian immigration types nuts, because you just *can't* have something coming *after* your last name. That was about 30 years ago and things have changed and I have a feeling they wouldn't force him to change his name if he were to immigrate today - those were the days when, on wedding licenses, the man if he had never married before, was described as "bachelor" and the woman as "spinster", and a woman, if she decided to change back to her before-married name, had to get her husband's permission to do so. But that's a whole 'nother story. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Well, as those who've been on the "Covers" ride > since the beginning can attest, never let lack of > talent stop you from recording a Joni song! :~) > Good. That means there's still hope for some of us who would like an exciting second career. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:51:50 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: July 31st (NJC) Everyone raise a glass of Boonesfarm Strawberry Hill wine to wish "our own Tinker" That Appalachian Dulcimer playing, charming man, who's the nicest person on earth...... a big happy birthday!!!! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y S T E V E D U L S O N !!!!!!!! Am I going to have to fly out to CA again to see you and your lovely wife Michele, or are you two gonna go to a Jonifest???? Have a great birthday Steve! DBF Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:55:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! Well, we made it! Thanks to alert jazzlover & dedicated Joni coverhound Joseph Palis, we hit the major 1000 milestone with: "Twisted" by Stella Ignacio, from "Jazzette" - 1996 "FOUL!!" You cry... "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" shouts the angry mob... "JONI DIDN'T WRITE TWISTED" offers the scoffing purist...to which the VP of Covers responds: Well, this is true...BUT Stella has stated that Joni was her inspiration for this recording, and indeed you can tell it when the muted trumpet sounds at the start all the way to the multi-tracked vocals at the end. This one is PURE Joni cover! (The mob backs down, lowers their torches and disperses peacefully...) Thanks Joseph for being my ears & eyes in the Pacific rim! And a MAJOR thanks to all who have helped me identify & collect all this information and music - we can give ourselves a well-deserved hand! Now on to the next 1000 (but don't worry, I shant bore you with the count)...until we get to 1990! ;~) Bob NP: Tracey Campbell, "Big Yellow Taxi" (awesome sultry jazz piano version) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:57:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Well, we made it! Thanks to alert jazzlover & > dedicated Joni coverhound > Joseph Palis, we hit the major 1000 milestone with: > > "Twisted" by Stella Ignacio, from "Jazzette" - 1996 > Way to go, millenium man! I hope you didn't have to celebrate alone but shared the goodies with your family. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:24:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! NJC **I hope you didn't have to celebrate alone but shared the goodies with your family.** Well, they think I'm pretty strange, but they are supportive of my obsession and love me anyway, so God bless 'em for that! :~) Bob NP: Inga Luehning & Volume, "Black Crow" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:49:05 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: July 31st (NJC) > Everyone raise a glass of Boonesfarm Strawberry Hill wine to wish "our own > Tinker" I was just reading about the King Cobra and read this as "Boozefarm" ;-p > That Appalachian Dulcimer playing, charming man, who's the nicest person on > earth...... a big happy birthday!!!! Amen, amen!!! Happiest and best of Birthdays, Steve - you are the best!! Love, Kakki NP: Mary Hopkin - Night in the City (Covers Vol. 32) - (Oooooo, this song is custom made for her!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:05:25 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash Julius, I am a swoo-hooning in anticipation! Just ordered the Graham and Julia back to back. The pre-buzz on Graham's new one was ecstatic months ago. I had no idea Larry shows up there, too!! Wonder if Joni is also on an uncredited harmony vocal? ;-) Kakki > Kunkel on drums > Jeff Pevar (of Crosby's band CPR) - guitar > Dean Parks - Guitar > Larry Klein (Joni's ex-husband) - bass > James Raymond (CPR)- keyboards > and "Others" > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:18:55 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Break Out the King Cobra!! 1000 it is! Congratulations, Bob!! Don't have any King Cobra on hand but I'm sure my glass of cheapo COSTCO special White Zinfandel will do just as nicely ;-) It's just amazing to think that you and the group have succeeded in digging up and cataloging 1,000 Joni covers from all over the world! You can bet no one else has accomplished this! Also, thank you so much for the latest volumes 31 and 32 - they are excellent and surprising as ever. Kakki NP: Covers 32- Harpers Bizarre - Both Sides Now (this is really a treasure for me - go ahead and laugh but their "59th Street Bridge Song - Feelin Groovy" is still one of my all time faves - they were kind of like a cross between the Association and the Beach Boys but with a lot more paisley ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:54:53 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) In a message dated 7/30/02 8:43:54 AM, suze_1@lycos.com writes: >Do you not believe in capitalism? >If not, what then do you belive in? Capitalism isn't really something I can believe in, in the true sense of believing. Hell, I don't even believe in religion, and for many folks, capitalism *is* their religion. I'm all for people making a profit from their hard work and good ideas, but not at the expense of others. And that's where it all falls down for me ... the exploitation of other people, exploitation of natural resources at a rate far disproportionate to the rest of the world, rampant avarice and all that results from it, running around the world waving our big bad dick ... the list goes on and on and it's all in the name of capitalism. This is something up with which I cannot put. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:42:10 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: assorted musings on things joni...now Nash OH FECK! I am headed to Tower tomorrow to get that, the new Robert Plant, the new Yes box set, and and and Yippie Paz on 7/30/02 3:13 PM, JRMCo1@aol.com at JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > warren writes: > personally think there is going to be a joni mention ! later...> > > I'm thinking there will be JC, too. > > By the way, Graham Nash's solo CD _Songs for Survivors_ is being released > today on Artemis records. It was produced by Russell Kunkel, who is widower > to Nicolette Larson, and their son. > > Nash will be touring behind the CD starting in September. Kakki is going to > go crazy over his touring band: > > Kunkel on drums > Jeff Pevar (of Crosby's band CPR) - guitar > Dean Parks - Guitar > Larry Klein (Joni's ex-husband) - bass > James Raymond (CPR)- keyboards > and "Others" > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:44:36 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: July 31st (NJC) Allright Steve! Happy Fecking Birthday oh brother o mine. Lifting my glass to the west and remembering fondly my last visit here in Destrehan with you and Michelle and Beth Patterson. She's coming over tomorrow night for some more overdubs. My best to you and Michelle! Love Paz on 7/30/02 7:51 PM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Everyone raise a glass of Boonesfarm Strawberry Hill wine to wish "our own > Tinker" > > That Appalachian Dulcimer playing, charming man, who's the nicest person on > earth...... a big happy birthday!!!! > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y S T E V E D U L S O N !!!!!!!! > > Am I going to have to fly out to CA again to see you and your lovely wife > Michele, or are you two gonna go to a Jonifest???? Have a great birthday > Steve! > > DBF > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:14:48 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: scientists prove it - joni was right!!! hi ive just been reading through "the science of discworld" by terry pratchet, ian stewart, & jack cohen. its kind of scientific (i actually wouldnt know if they were really taking the piss) & has a chapter called "we are stardust (or at least we went to woodstock) where they give this whole long technical spiel about the different elements, and the periodic table, and how the elements came into being as a result of the big bang, and the effect of the reaction in stars. (definitely the most technical book ive read since i stopped studying) i quote "Anyway the point is that most of the atoms from which you are made must have come into being in a star. As Joni Mitchell sang at woodstock: "We are stardust"." there is a footnote which says "Ask Mummy or Daddy if you have no idea what were talking about" So now that the scientists know that Joni is siquomb, maybe someone (mummy or daddy???) will explain to them about her never quite making it to woodstock (tho personally i think shes been in her own private garden for quite some time....) ron np - pete o'connell - barrett (sounds like its about syd??) (albums like this are why i *love* 2nd hand shops. bought it cause it looked interesting - & it sure is!!!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #306 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)