From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 30 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 305 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and Jewel ["J. G." ] Gregg's performance archived here NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Terrorism In America [Nnamani Ugu ] Re: Terrorism In America [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name ["Garret" ] Joni in literature [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: TV guide from near future ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] tracy grammer and dave carter on 88.5 now NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Joni in literature ["Suze Cameron" ] RE: njc Gemma Hayes ["Garret" ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Mary Casey ] warning. njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] lulu njc ["mack watson-bush" ] The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: something disturbing (NJC) [Denny Giovanetti ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) ["kakki" ] RE: Siquomb, isn't she? ["patrick leader" ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) [Denny Giovanetti ] Re: something disturbing (NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:33:40 -0700 From: "J. G." Subject: Re: Joni and Jewel Actually, I do recall Joni being less than kind about Jewel. There was a Saturday Night Live cartoon short a few years ago that I thought was really funny. Here's a horribly condensed version: Jewel reads poetry to wild animals, who get bored and attack her. Joni comes out and sings Big Yellow Taxi, making all the animals happy. Joni admitted in print that a friend described it to her and she found it very funny. She said something like, "I shouldn't laugh, but her lyrics are so insipid..." _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:24:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Gregg's performance archived here NJC it's a small world after all...amilia & i did a house concert together (the one that was broadcast on npr but they failed to mention either of us by name...) this was the evening before we flew to nyc to do the show in feb at the living room... i agree, amilia is very talented & ... is this not a very small world? >>Paz just emailed me having trouble finding the archive of Gregg's show. I had some trouble too, but I finally found it. For anyone who missed it, it's here... Enjoy the show! Oh, btw Amelia Spicer opens for him. Very talented as well.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:31:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #304 it's a small world after all...amilia & i did a house concert together (the one that was broadcast on npr but they failed to mention either of us by name...) this was the evening before we flew to nyc to do the show in feb at the living room... i agree, amilia is very talented & ... is this not a very small world? >>Paz just emailed me having trouble finding the archive of Gregg's show. I had some trouble too, but I finally found it. For anyone who missed it, it's here... Enjoy the show! Oh, btw Amelia Spicer opens for him. Very talented as well.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 03:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nnamani Ugu Subject: Terrorism In America The problem of terrorism in the world and America in particular has become very endemic.The September 11,2002 terrorist attack on the WTC was a herror and Americans will continue to live with that nightmare for a long time to come. Incidentally, they should also reflect on the daily bombing and destructions going on in the Middle East. There nobody dreams of peace. Nobody sleeps with even one eye closed.American Government has the key to the solution.And I will say why later. Ugu Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:38:40 EDT From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Terrorism In America Thanks for your message. Can you explain why you are disseminating this information on the Joni Mitchell Discussion list, which is devoted to the music of Joni Mitchell? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:14:50 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name Bob wrote: >I don't know for sure, but I speculate that she's always been referred to as >Joan or Joni. In articles where her childhood friends talk about her as a >child, you never hear them refer to her as Roberta. Sometimes parents will >give a child a family name, or a more formal first name, and then refer to >them by a middle name or something else altogether. perhaps im a bit late jumping in here, Joni has often told stories in her concers about friends reffering to her as Joan or Joni. Bob could be right. Doesn't Joni have some Irish blood? My first name is really Liam (says so on the birthcert and passport!), but have never ever been called that. Garret is my middle name. My parents had wanted to call me Dylan (after Bob believe it or not) and decided then to call me Garret (after a politican) at the last minute. The priest didn't like the name and wouldn't let them (he was probably anti Fine Gael; but then so were my parents and still are 21 years later), citing the fact that it isn't a saints name. He conceded to allow them call me Liam Garret as liam sounds more Irish and is my fathers name:) Furthermore, a friend of mine, Rory, is actually Cormac Rory; Anto is actually Paul Anthony (he was called Paul Anthony until his late teenage years when he began to object); Trish is really Mary Patricia; Noely is really Peter Noel. So there you have it, in Ireland we tend to use middle names quite commonly (and when parents get very serious they always use the double barrell "Louise Mary" etc.) GARRET ps- *when* i publish a book my pen name is Liam Martin (martin being my mothers maiden name: ) np- Eddi Reader "patience of angels"- saw her live last week here in Dublin and am utterly converted; she's wonderful. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:54:00 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Joni in literature I was pleasantly surprised to come across a Joni mention when I picked up a book by Carl Hiaasen for summer reading. The book is "Lucky You." The protagonist is explaining why she wants to use her lottery winnings to purchase a 40 acre parcel of virgin land. She says that developers want to buy the land to build "a shopping center and a parking lot, just like in the Joni Mitchell song." Most likely a reference to BYT. I was further pleased this weekend when I was in a wine store and heard, faintly, Joni's voice coming over the loudspeaker. She was singing a song I am unfamiliar with - it sounded like a musical cousin to "The Only Joy in Town." I figure it must be from TI, since I have not bought that or heard the entire CD at this point. I probably will buy it now, because this song sounded beautiful. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:21:19 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: TV guide from near future To Be Anizzounced is worth the price of admission >From: Murphycopy@aol.com >Reply-To: Murphycopy@aol.com >To: jgyn@muse.sfusd.edu|jan, jgyn@muse.sfusd.edu (gyn), joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: TV guide from near future >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:40:31 - -0400 > >I usually don't think the Onion is very good, but this is laugh-out-loud funny. I especially liked "The Joan Osbornes" on VH1, "Up Wit' Yer Kippers" on PBS, and "Black Weather Report" on BET. > >--Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:12:20 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: VH1's One Hit Wonders (NJC) In a message dated 7/29/2002 12:12:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: <> Thanks for the info Julius. Since it's summer, it probably is a re-run (although there was an article in today's newspaper with host William Shatner talking about the VH1 series) The Waitresses was one strange album that I liked back in the early 80's which I bought because they were featured on the comedy show "Square Pegs" which Sarah Jessica Parker starred in. LOL <> That's something I'll really have to check out. I loved those two films, but I had no idea that Tony Basil appeared in them. Thanks again Julius! Oh, and I was wrong about the starting time for VH1's One Hit Wonders. It's at 10:00 est. Happy Monday! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:42:27 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: "The Definitive Biography" reissued with new content Joniphiles - I just received this press release about the second printing of Karen O'Brien's book. Les - ----------------------- Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography By Karen OBrien Fully updated and published on 5th September 2002, priced: #9.99 Uncompromising and iconoclastic, Joni Mitchell confounded expectations at every turn. Restlessly innovative her music evolved from deeply-personal folk stylings into pop, jazz, avant-garde and even world music. Mitchell is one of the worlds most influential recording artists, and a role model for a generation of singer/songwriters from Sheryl Crow and Elvis Costello to Beck and David Gray. Intelligently told and with an unrivalled degree of access, Shadows and Light is the story of a true rock n roll icon. Canadian-born Joni Mitchell began her career as a folk singer/songwriter in the mid-1960s. Championed by the Byrds David Crosby, she quickly threw herself into the Bohemian scene in New York and later Los Angeles. Her musical reputation grew steadily, and in the late sixties and early seventies she enjoyed international success with songs including Chelsea Morning and Big Yellow Taxi, and critically acclaimed albums including the landmark Blue and the jazz-influenced Court and Spark and The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Mitchell has continued to produce both highly-regarded and adventurous music throughout the 70s, 80s, 90s and into the new century, and her musical creativity has been matched by her passion for the visual arts. Her idiosyncratic paintings and photography have been exhibited to acclaim in Canada, the United States, Japan and the UK. This definitive biography includes first hand interviews with those closest to her: friends, musicians, critics and radio DJs, including Suzanne Vega, Larry Klein, Graham Nash, Tom Rush, Elliot Roberts and Richard Thompson. Covering Mitchells visual art as well as her music, the book includes fascinating previously unpublished correspondence between Mitchell and modernist painter Georgia OKeeffe. Published to critical acclaim in October 2001, Shadows and Light has been fully updated and includes new interviews with Jonis first husband, Chuck, as well as Jonis creative reaction to the events of September 11th. Broad in scope and full of detail, this is the remarkable story of the life and loves of an extraordinary and complex artist. Karen OBrien is a music journalist and a BBC World Service radio news editor who has also written and broadcast widely on the arts. Karens previous book, Hymn to Her, a collection of writings on women musicians was published by Virago in 1995. She is a New Zealander by birth and Londoner by choice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:46:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Definitive Biography" reissued with new content > I just received this press release about the second > printing of Karen > O'Brien's book. So does this mean it'll be on sale in the States? Bob, a happy procrastinator NP: Brooooce, "Light Of Day" 3/10/00 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:19:16 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Siquomb, isn't she? I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you seem like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each other. That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:26:10 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? NJC > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't > she? means. Hi Mary, & welcome! Gee, it's been awhile since someone asked that question! I'll leave it one of the other very nice people to answer, but in the meantime thanks for joining up, and I'm looking forward to your presence here! Bob NP(Now Playing):Bruce Springsteen, "Land of Hope & Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: tracy grammer and dave carter on 88.5 now NJC Listening to a (taped) programme featuring Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer. Very sweet and melancholy all at once. not sure if any of you out there in Joni land can pick this up from Philly or not. That's one of the many things I am loving about being here. Mags np: tracy and dave laughing and talking together , the mutual respect and admiration is obvious. npimh: At Last :-)))))) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Welcome to our Joni family, Mary. I will stand aside, like my southern bro Bob, and let someone else explain Siquomb to you. You are right about us being a friendly group who respect one another. Special friendships and the love of a life time have grown from this very place, all around the world. tell us a little about yourself when you are ready :-) Mags, in South Jersey with her honeyboi Brei (also a list member) np: Dave Carter and Tracy Grammar from the Tanglewood Tree G-d rest his soul, 49 is just so young to part this earth :-( on Philly NPR 88.5 / world cafe exquisite harmonies - --- Mary Casey wrote: > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you > seem > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each > other. > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > Mary ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:27:06 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Well...for gosh sakes since you and Bob are shy...I will explain what it means then. It means.."She plays the accordion in lederhosen" Mags N Brei wrote: > > Welcome to our Joni family, Mary. I will stand aside, like my southern > bro Bob, and let someone else explain Siquomb to you. You are right > about us being a friendly group who respect one another. Special > friendships and the love of a life time have grown from this very > place, all around the world. > > tell us a little about yourself when you are ready :-) > > Mags, in South Jersey with her honeyboi Brei (also a list member) > > np: Dave Carter and Tracy Grammar > from the Tanglewood Tree > > G-d rest his soul, 49 is just so young to part this earth :-( > on Philly NPR 88.5 / world cafe > > exquisite harmonies > > --- Mary Casey wrote: > > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you > > seem > > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each > > other. > > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > > Mary > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? NJC Hi Mary. Welcome to the list! To answer your question, SIQUOMB means "she is queen of mind beauty." It refers to Joni. Many, many new members ask the question, and Bob always seems to be the one to answer it. So, I decided this would be my turn :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:29:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? NJC Don't forget the undisputedly! Jerry np: FTR - Chicago 2000 anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Hi Mary. > > Welcome to the list! > > To answer your question, SIQUOMB means "she is queen of > mind beauty." It refers to Joni. Many, many new members > ask the question, and Bob always seems to be the one to > answer it. So, I decided this would be my turn :-) > > lots of love > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:31:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? > It means.."She plays the accordion in lederhosen" LOL! Pay her no mind, Mary...too much accordion has affected her brain! :~) Anyway, the acronym is really "She is queen undisputedly of mind beauty", comes from a mythology that Joni invented early on, involving the Mosall and The Posalm and such. She was a fan of Tolkien's "Ring" trilogy, and I guess it inspired her to create fantasy races of beings. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? NJC > Don't forget the undisputedly! Oh duh! See, you leave it amateurs and they get it wrong :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? In your case, Sharon, it means "She is queen undeniably of many bees" lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:15:12 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Joni in literature Hey Ruth! Good spot on the Joni reference. Bob, you have this one already??? If not, one more for the database! Also, any guesses to what song Ruth might have heard that is similar to The Only Joy in Town? I am thinking Harlem in Havana. Of course, there is no right answer since Ruth herself isn't sure, but still, there have to be better guesses than mine! Sue n.p. Bruce "The Boss" - Brilliant Disguise - -- Engwall57 wrote: > heard, faintly, Joni's voice coming over the loudspeaker. - it sounded like a musical cousin to "The Only Joy in Town." I figure it must be from TI, since I have not bought that or heard the entire CD at this point. ->Ruth > _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:33:18 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: njc Gemma Hayes Bill, I ***love*** frames so much!! They totally kick ass. They have been one of the big bands with people i know in college for the last three years. At first i didn't want to listent to them, because i was afraid i'd like them! Odd as that sounds, it made sense in my head at the time (you have to factor in the source of the recommendation!) For the Birds is a great listen. i'd recommend that to anyone. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:37:36 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) "Suze Cameron" writes: >I am going to play Polyanna here and say that I don't have a problem with >this. After all, don't you think it already goes on, just not in an organized >fashion? If these agencies are truly going to focus on terrorism then >I don't see what the concern is. The concern is that this is a very dangerous 10 degree obsidian slope, on which we will surely lose our grip on freedom. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:36:26 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Thank you for the welcome, you folks are friendly. A little about myself, eh? I am a graphic designer in Sacramento, California. I have lived in the area my whole life, which will be 40 years in a couple of months. The last 10 of those years have been spent with my partner, Sharon. We share our home with Luna, a wonderful Labrador. I love creativity in various forms. I dabble in guitar playing, writing, gardening and art. I am inspired by music. Much of the most meaningful and moving music I have experienced has been created by (no surprise) Joni Mitchell. I don't know much about Joni, although I am getting ready to read Shadows and Light as soon as I finish my current book (which is Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West, an excellent read if anyone is interested. It is the story of Oz told from her perspective and deals with the politics of Oz and other fascinating concepts). I have 16 of her CDs (Joni's, not the Wicked Witch) and am not sure how much I am missing out on by not "having everything". I have had the pleasure of seeing Joni in concert twice in recent years. Once with Bob and Van and the other time on the Both Sides Now tour. I hope to have more opportunities in the future Other musical artists currently in frequent rotation for me are: Neil Finn, Meshell Ndegeocello, Rickee Lee Jones, Lucinda Williams, Janis Ian, David Gray. I am always interested in learning of new singer/songwriter music that awakens my spirit. Are the rumors of a new Joni CD true? Anyway, enough about me... how do I find out more about all of you? Mary Mags N Brei wrote: > Welcome to our Joni family, Mary. I will stand aside, like my southern > bro Bob, and let someone else explain Siquomb to you. You are right > about us being a friendly group who respect one another. Special > friendships and the love of a life time have grown from this very > place, all around the world. > > tell us a little about yourself when you are ready :-) > > Mags, in South Jersey with her honeyboi Brei (also a list member) > > np: Dave Carter and Tracy Grammar > from the Tanglewood Tree > > G-d rest his soul, 49 is just so young to part this earth :-( > on Philly NPR 88.5 / world cafe > > exquisite harmonies > > --- Mary Casey wrote: > > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you > > seem > > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each > > other. > > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > > Mary > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:56:31 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: warning. njc Hi guys. My antivirus system detected a virus in the message by Nnamani Ugu. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:01:43 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? welcome mary. Great to have you here. I am glad you asked that question because I have seen that word referred to often here but never kenw what it meant. Mack > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you seem > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each other. > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:58:25 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) Fred wrote: >The concern is that this is a very dangerous 10 degree obsidian slope, on >which we will surely lose our grip on freedom. Fred, as I mentioned, very Polyanna of me, but haven't we, to some extent already, lost part of that freedom? What freedoms are you willing to relinquish in the fight against terrorism? None? I am only saying that if the government decides to do this and it is voted through (as Kakki thinks it won't be) then don't we have a duty to obey? I hate to give up any freedom, and even balked when my state decided it was manditory to wear seat belts. "Seat belts" I cried, "are only for bad drivers!" Of course this isn't true, and it is for my own good that I now buckle up, but I did give up a right to decide what risk I took while driving. Sorry to drone on, but I believe that we gave up more than just some of our freedom on September 11th. We now have the reality of terrorism, any time, any place. Oklahoma City was a bit of a wake up call, and at that time we lost the freedom to cruise down Pennsylvania Avenue if I am not mistaken. We lost the freedom to ever drive a Ryder truck and park it outside a federal building. We lost so much more than human life on September 11th. Our N.Y. skyline gouged out. The WTC, a symbol of all that we believe in, American capitalism, brought down like a house of cards. Is it really too much to ask that we look out for each other in an organized, concerted effort? Sue, a.k.a. Polyanna n.p. Lulu "To Sir With Love" _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:12:59 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: lulu njc Pollyanna, I love that tune. She had another hit years later. I liked it even more. What was the name of it, the early 80's? Matter of fact you have inspired me to dig the 45 out and play it right now. I remember. "I could never miss you more than I do." mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:42:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! #998 Micki Esselstyn, "Both Sides Now", from her International best-seller "Micki Esselstyn Sings"...this poor person looks like one of the Kids In The Hall in drag: http://www.esselstyn.com/mickinews/cd.html Bob NP: Bruce Cockburn, "Down To The Delta" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) - --- "Suze Cameron" wrote: >We lost so much more than human life on September 11th. . .The WTC, a symbol of all that we believe in, American capitalism, brought down like a house of cards. Is it really too much to ask that we look out for each other in an organized, concerted effort? Personally, I've never thought of the WTC or capitalism as representing the U.S. A global economy, perhaps (and I write that as a neutral term), but for that which sets the U.S. and we Americans apart from other citizens I turn to the U.S. Constitution, a unique document representative of great thought and ideals. The efforts by this Administration, esp. by Atty. Gen'l Ashcroft, grow continually frightening. The notion of "Who's looking out?" concerns me. This "snitch patrol" is reminescent of so many episodes in 20th Cent. Am Hist: The two Red scares, The HUAC hearings (of the "are you now or have you ever been a. . ." and are you willing to sell out a friend to save you skin); and, the Vietnam era, when a loose comment could generate a file in the local FBI office. I'm not talking about bomb throwing, or threats--well, there were the Nixon-Mitchell jokes, but I wasn't alone! (Ah-ha, a co-conspirator!). The point is, if there is to be a snitch, then I want to know the qualifications, and political orientation--and I'd like to see the job announcement as well. Spying on one another, prying into one's library record, food selections, favorite bumper stickers, etc. while seeming to be obvious, just aren't going to make the measure, IMHO. Denny NP: Lou Reed, "Dirty Boulevard" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:16:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name now njc - --- Garret wrote: > Doesn't Joni have some Irish blood? > > My first name is really Liam (says so on the > birthcert and passport!), but > have never ever been called that. Garret is my > middle name. My parents had > wanted to call me Dylan (after Bob believe it or > not) and decided then to > call me Garret (after a politican) at the last > minute. The priest didn't > like the name and wouldn't let them (he was probably > anti Fine Gael; but > then so were my parents and still are 21 years > later), citing the fact that > it isn't a saints name. Hoo boy, can I relate to that! That's such a Catholic thing, and the Irish Catholics are probably the worst about it (although there are so many Italian girls named Mary or Rose, so the Italians are up there with the Irish for being worried about giving their kids the right name.) My parents agonized over what to name each of us, insisting that at least one, if not both, names be a saint's name. Believe it or not, by the time the 4th girl came along, between the saints and the way names sound when you say them out loud, they were running out of name ideas. They wanted to name my youngest sister after my mother, Noreen, but weren't convinced Noreen was a saint's name (I'm sure there must be a St. Nora or a St. Noreen or a St. Honour for that matter in Ireland or England or Scotland, but I digress.) They decided it might be OK to give her the name Noreen if they could come up with another for-sure saint's name. Somehow they thought of Susan and then couldn't figure out if there was a Saint Susan or not. But then they realized there was a Susannah in the Bible and even Old Testament names qualified as saint names for some weird reason (it's a Catholic thing, probably something to do with Jesus releasing all the Old-Testament people from hell, as, according to the Catholics, heaven apparently didn't exist until he came along, at which point you have to wonder why anyone thought life was worth living at all - - life's a bitch and then you die AND you go to hell!) So my sister is Susan Noreen, known as Susan. I figure at some point there had to be a first person by the name of [whatever], so trying to name your kids after saints is a bit of a loser's game. We might just as well name them all Jesus and Mary. One day there likely will be a St. Tiffany for example or a St. Kyle, and for all I know, there already is somewhere in the world. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? njc - --- Mary Casey wrote: > Thank you for the welcome, you folks are friendly. > A little about myself, eh? Are you sure you're not Canadian? ;) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:09:38 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) Suze wrote: > >We lost so much more than human life on September 11th. . .The WTC, a symbol of all that we believe in, >American capitalism, brought down like a house of cards. Is it really too much to ask that we look out for each >other in an organized, concerted effort? I know your heart is in the right place and my heart also wants to do all I can in my own little niche to help protect people. I don't mind the airport searches at all and it makes me glad they are doing their jobs. As for profiling, I've heard from a source with an airline that it is happening but is very hush hush behind the scenes (as it should be). As much as I want the US government to do everything in its power to be vigilant and efficient, however, I do think they have to step back a little and look at the long term effects of their decisions. I don't look at this TIPS idea on its surface as "spying" on everyone but rather perhaps a not well-thought through idea to centralize information regarding our national security. I am opposed to big government as you might have guessed and the national ID card also makes my hair go up. Here's the deal - we have already had federal agencies such as the FBI and CIA to report tips to for years. If they are not doing their jobs in properly processing information, then fix them. Adding yet another layer of government bureaucracy could be just as inefficient ultimately. What we put into law or procedure now can come back to haunt us at a later date down the road. Today we are vigilantly looking for terrorists in our midst, which we can all mostly agree with, but tomorrow or down the road what other group may be targeted for perhaps not altogether noble reasons? Denny wrote: > This "snitch patrol" is reminescent of so many episodes in 20th Cent. Am Hist: The two Red scares, The HUAC >hearings (of the "are you now or have you ever been a. . ." and are you willing to sell out a friend to save you skin); Funny you would think first if (an admittedly over-zealous) group of U.S. anti-communists as an example rather than the actual communist countries who had a demonically large bureaucracy of "snitches" in their society for decades to rat out dissendents who were then systematically "eliminated," i.e. executed, for not falling in line with the "system." I think the communist model is the one which we should all be frightened of ever emulating in any way. I think we all should be vigilant but not vigilantes to protect our people. Write your congressman, Ashcroft, etc. and let them know how you feel. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:26:45 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Siquomb, isn't she? welcome, mary, and thanks for the bio. i lived in sacramento for many years (77-80, 82-86) and always loved it. first fell in love there, danced for jazzworks (now dale scholl dancearts) capitol city ballet (now defunct) even performed at music circus. went to sac state for, like, nine years! Neil >Finn, Meshell Ndegeocello, Rickee Lee Jones, Lucinda Williams, Janis Ian, >David Gray. i love your musical co-travellers. every one of these folks has bunches of fans here. i think me'shell and rickie lee are perhaps the biggest favs, here, from your list. >sure how much I am missing out on by not "having everything". i'm now a huge 'completist' and wouldn't be without a single second of joni, but the early eighties albums were definitely uneven. however, if you haven't bought night ride home and turbulent indigo, you are in for a huge treat. I have had >the pleasure of seeing Joni in concert twice in recent years. Once with >Bob and Van and the other time on the Both Sides Now tour. many many of us saw both of these tours too. you may enjoy reading the concert reviews on jonimitchell.com. >Are the rumors of a new Joni CD true? absolutely, and apparently it's in the can. no release date announced. if you remember the bsn tour, after they had played the album through, she did five additional songs with orchestra arrangements. that's the basis of the new album, more joni originals in new arrangements. i'm extremely excited. 'hejira' and 'for the roses' and 'moon at the window' were particularly amazing in that tour (i saw two shows.) i think we've actually heard of a tracklist (maybe posted here at some point). there's also a major cover album that i think was finished a long time ago and for some reason it hasn't been released. includes annie lennox' version of 'ladies of the canyon' and sarah maclachlan's 'blue', and a bunch of covers by some big folks. (k.d. lang covering 'help me', like she did on the tnt tribute a couple of years back.) it is a great list. i've been on for (wow, i think it's five years next month) and there are things called jonifests, gatherings of people from all over creation, first one in '98, and i've been to most of them. craziness, but wonderful craziness. we've had some difficult times on the list, but mostly good. and new people always make it more interesting, and usually better. much joni, patrick np - (now playing) - fauri - requiem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) - --- "kakki" wrote: >Funny you would think first if (an admittedly over-zealous) group of U.S. >anti-communists as an example rather than the actual communist countries who >had a demonically large bureaucracy of "snitches" in their society for >decades to rat out dissendents who were then systematically "eliminated," >i.e. executed, for not falling in line with the "system." I think the >communist model is the one which we should all be frightened of ever >emulating in any way. Agreed. But the topic for discussion _is_ the U.S., not Czechoslovakia, Roumania, East Germany, the U.S.S.R., etc. And, also include in my list of those spied upon: Pre-Taft-Hartley labor organizers (and, as a pre-emptive nod, I'm not suggesting Sacco & Vanzetti or the I.W.W.). And, regarding your last sentence, I believe that _any_ model, foreign or domestic, is to be feared. My point is that, in the U.S., we tend to have a very short memory of our own very long history--which runs both left and right. Denny, returned from too much air travel, but still possessing good humor and respect for airport security, while having murder in my heart for Southwest Airlines baggage handlers. Grrrrrr. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:17:38 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) In a message dated 7/29/02 7:58:51 PM, suze_1@lycos.com writes: >The WTC, a symbol of all that we believe in, American capitalism, brought >down like a house of cards. It's not a symbol of what I believe in. And I know I'm not the only one. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:54:01 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? patrick leader wrote: > welcome, mary, and thanks for the bio. i lived in sacramento for many years > (77-80, 82-86) and always loved it. first fell in love there, danced for > jazzworks (now dale scholl dancearts) capitol city ballet (now defunct) even > performed at music circus. went to sac state for, like, nine years! > > i'm now a huge 'completist' and wouldn't be without a single second of joni, > but the early eighties albums were definitely uneven. however, if you > haven't bought night ride home and turbulent indigo, you are in for a huge > treat. > > absolutely, and apparently it's in the can. no release date announced. if > you remember the bsn tour, after they had played the album through, she did > five additional songs with orchestra arrangements. that's the basis of the > new album, more joni originals in new arrangements. i'm extremely excited. > 'hejira' and 'for the roses' and 'moon at the window' were particularly > amazing in that tour (i saw two shows.) i think we've actually heard of a > tracklist (maybe posted here at some point). there's also a major cover > album that i think was finished a long time ago and for some reason it > hasn't been released. includes annie lennox' version of 'ladies of the > canyon' and sarah maclachlan's 'blue', and a bunch of covers by some big > folks. (k.d. lang covering 'help me', like she did on the tnt tribute a > couple of years back.) > Hi Patrick, Where do you live now? Are you still dancing? I live really close to Sac State. Small world, eh? The new cd(s) sound great. I hope there is a tour. About the early 80's albums: I have Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog. (Are there more early 80's?) The way I think of it, music is a reflection of the times, and the early 80's were actually pretty "uneven" : ) I do have Night Ride Home and Turbulent Indigo. I enjoy them both very much. NRH in particular holds fond memories for me. I have a hard time picking a "favorite" anything (I am a Libra if that means anything to you) but I have to say I am VERY partial to Hejira and Hissing of Summer Lawns. Blue goes without saying, doesn't it? Anyway... thank you for the response. I look forward to getting to know everyone better. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:57:32 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: something disturbing (NJC) I'm not averse to professional law enforcement keeping an eye on people whom they suspect of plotting or trying to harm, terrorize and kill people. In theory, the U.S. has had persons trained to do that for years. Maybe we need to make them more effective or give them more resources, or whatever they need to do a better job. The problem with this particular TIPS proposal is that it appears to be wanting to recruit a lot of untrained ordinary citizens to participate. I have no problem asking people in general to keep their eyes and ears open but this more formal "recruitment" of say postal workers, truck drivers, UPS personnel, etc. could be fraught with all kinds of problems in the end and actually lead to a bigger mess. Besides the obvious potential for invasion of privacy, I can see the waste of valuable personnel having to chase down a lot of bad leads with a likely resultant rise in lawsuits against the government for defamation, malicious prosecution, harassment, various discrimination violations, emotional distress, etc., etc. This one is a bad and dumb idea. Doesn't mean we can't come up with a smarter one. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:06:23 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? She IS Queen Understandibly of Music Beauty on 7/29/02 1:36 PM, anne@sandstrom.com at anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > In your case, Sharon, it means "She is queen undeniably > of many bees" > > lots of love > Anne ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #305 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)