From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #303 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 303 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Helen Wheels [Richard Goldman ] Re: cocteau twins njc now smoking njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Dinner with Larry Klein [Bobsart48@aol.com] Not so sure about Pro Tools NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: njc Gemma Hayes ["Bill Pearson" ] Gus Dudgeon RIP - njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Not so sure about Pro Tools NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:58:47 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Helen Wheels Curiousity I have now, because . . . I grew up with and went through high school with a Helen Robbins who became Helen Wheels, in NYC, a punk musician/artist. And as far as we know, she passed away just a few years ago.... You weren't writing to her, were you? Richard ~~~~~~~ At 3:00 AM -0400 7/27/02, JMDL Digest wrote: > >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:19:04 +0100 >From: Gordon Mackie >Subject: Helen Wheels > >Hey Hell > >Birthday Greetings from Scotland....a bit late but we move to a >slower pace here. Hope the weather is better than here...I s'pose our >sheep don't mind the rain.. > >Gordon...who lives in a city and only sees lamb pre-packed in supermarkets ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:15:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: cocteau twins njc now smoking njc **... now if I could only figure out how to work this fucking remote....** Shouldn't be a problem - after all, you ARE the fucking Prince of Darkness, Ozzy! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:35:54 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Dinner with Larry Klein That's what you label NJC ? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:26:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Not so sure about Pro Tools NJC i doubt anyone can tell when a singer has been tweaked...also protools is used for much more than pitch...think of it like a word processor where you can cut & paste things in different places...i kind of see protools as the equivalent of using a computer as opposed to a typewriter...its just a computer program that has become pretty standard in the world of recording... >Not so sure about Not so sure about Pro Tools, though, as one of its most pernicious uses is to adjust the pitch of singers who couldn't hit a note at 6 paces with a blunderbuss. I'd like to think I can tell when a singer has been thus "tweaked", but who knows, maybe we're losing the battle..> ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 20:32:35 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: njc Gemma Hayes Azeem, You're right, it is a fantastic album but you need to get yourself a copy of The Frames CD 'For The Birds'(there are 2 CD's before that but they are not quite on the money). She's pretty much a female Frames, ex Frames guitarist produces and plays so there is a connection, very much the same kind of dynamics. The Frames are one of the best live bands I've EVER seen and at my age I've seen quite a few:) Do check out Irelands finest, you'll love them. I thought I could hear shades of Maria Mckee in places? Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:06:31 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Gus Dudgeon RIP - njc From Netrhythms.co.uk, a great site focusing on off-mainstream music, especially Roots and Americana: "It's tragic news that Gus Dudgeon and Sheila ("my old lady") were both killed instantly when Gus' Jaguar veered off the M4 and crashed in the early hours of Sunday morning. Gus was best known for his collaborations with Elton John, David Bowie and many more and was one of the most successful British record producers ever. During the past year he'd been filmed for the 'Classic Albums' TV Show, showing the making of the 'Yellow Brick Road' album, he'd produced the album of the Bacharach & David concert at The Albert Hall, featuring Elvis Costello, Dionne Warwick, Sacha Distel, Petula Clark, Paul Carrack, Bob Geldof and Lynden David Hall, and Burt himself, amongst others, and now available on DVD - and he'd been involved with the Bob The Builder Album, remixing Elton John's Crocodile Rock!" I'd add that I met Gus Dudgeon last year, when I went to see Caroline Trettine play, and he was a very engaging and down-to-earth fellow. I saw the programme about the making of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, and it made me haul the double-vinyl album out and listen to it all the way through. Sigh, another one gone. Azeem in London NP: Still Robin Holcomb - I only found out this morning that this fourth album even exists (Big Time), also on the Netrhythms site, and lo and behold I find a promo copy for 2 quid in a second-hand shop. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:08:41 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Not so sure about Pro Tools NJC In a message dated 27/07/02 20:15:01 GMT Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << also protools is used for much more than pitch...think of it like a word processor where you can cut & paste things in different places...i kind of see protools as the equivalent of using a computer as opposed to a typewriter...its just a computer program that has become pretty standard in the world of recording... >> Sure, Kate, I know Pro Tools isn't only used for tweaking, and I wouldn't want to sound like a Luddite. It's only a tool, and is in itself neither a good thing nor a bad thing. My big reservation is that it is widely being put to a particularly unappetising (to me) use by people like Max Miller - for whom fans of Britney Spears have much to be grateful, and who to me is roughly on a par with Old Nick. This involves, as you say, literally cutting and pasting bits of songs, chord sequences and so on, often with the result that the songs sound like virtual anagrams of each other. Can anyone spot much difference between Hit Me Baby One More Time and Oops I Did It Again?? This type of hack hit construction (I can't even bring myself to call it songwriting) would be going on regardless of whether Pro Tools were around to facilitate it - it just might not be so easy, and people might have to, you know, use their imagination or something... That said, if I discovered that , say, Goldfrapp use Pro Tools in their songwriting, I'd have to hold up my hands and say "it's a fair cop." Azeem in London NP: Robin Holcomb's new album - just wonderful! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #303 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?