From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #298 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 23 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 298 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 23 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] yo listas, how ya been? NJC [Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley ] Oh,Gee! [Gordon Mackie ] JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: NJC July 23th ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Oh,Gee! ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Rolling Stone on Joni [juancito@juno.com] Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC The Road to Perdition [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Steve Tyler billboard [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Steve Tyler billboard - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC July 23th ["Kate Bennett" ] A new discovery in Joni studies [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: A new discovery in Joni studies - now njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: A new discovery in Joni studies - now njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] investments - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: looking and longing... ["J.David Sapp" ] Rufus alert - njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: looking and longing... [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Rufus alert - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Rufus alert - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: looking and longing... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Rufus alert - njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re:Rolling Stone on Joni [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: looking and longing... [Murphycopy@aol.com] njc current events (judicial nominees) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: NJC The Road to Perdition [Vince Lavieri ] Re: NJC July 23th ["Cynthia Vickery" ] the maid ["J.David Sapp" ] Chaim Potek NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: yo listas, how ya been? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Oh,Gee! [Catherine McKay ] Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: A new discovery in Joni studies - now njc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: the maid ["Bree Mcdonough" ] YOUR CD!!!!!!!!! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Oh,Gee! [Randy Remote ] Re: the maid ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Just say Yes njc [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:01:16 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 23 1969: Joni is scheduled to perform with Tim Hardin at the Schaefer Music Festival in New York City's Central Park tonight. The event was rained out and rescheduled for tommorrow. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690725nyt.cfm [Source: New York Times; July 25, 1969] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:15:28 -0600 From: Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley Subject: yo listas, how ya been? NJC Hey you beautiful listas, you! How goes it, y'all? I just had to check in since I miss all of you so much. As usual, I've been REEEEAAAALLY busy and since May I've been lucky to read like maybe 3 or 4 digests, so I just had to see what's up with everyone. As for me, same ole thing. However, in May I presented at a conference at UBC in Vancouver, so I actually drove out with Tracy and Kelly and made this big pilgramage to Chilliwack (about an hour outside of Vancouver) where I used to live and bored Tracy to tears. After she finally dragged me away from my hometown, we took a long leisurely trip back home and since then we've spend basically every weekend at the lake. However, I'm finally on holidays (yay!) so this week I am just trying to get things organized at home. I'm also kind of/sort of/ trying to quit smoking again. I went and got zyban, and was going to start taking it this week, but I'm trying this cold turkey thing first now. I had 3 smokes on Saturday night (I was drunk, so that is doing pretty damn good), then yesterday, I only had like maybe 1/4 of a smoke, and none today, so I'm happy, but also (this sounds stupid) mourning the fact that I have to quit smoking, because, damnit, I love love love it, and I love smokers, and OMG I love bonding with smokers, but whatever, I'll deal with it I guess. Hmmm, what else.... baby is doing great, 14 months old, and my most favorite person on the planet. As for music, the only new-ish thing I listen to is No Doubt's ROCKSTEADY, which I love love love. Oh, and I scammed Elton tickets, which is a long frigging complicated story. Anyway, just had to check in because I miss you all so much, and I hope all is well with everyone. Keep in touch peoples, I'm still lurking! XOX Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:21:54 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: NJC July 23th Jimmy - by the way, how do you pronounce the 23th? I can't do it without spitting all over myself.....;o) - wrote: > THE CHEESE STATE OF WISCONSIN WILL BE MAKING CHEESE CAKE FOR > > KERRY NIKUTTA (AKA MYRTL MOO) > > SO EVERYBODY PLEASE WISH A VERY VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO KERRY!! > > > H A P P Y B I R H T H D A Y T O Y O U !!!!! > > (I can't wait to see you next month sweetie) That makes two of us! Happy birthday to my favourite person on the JMDL. No disrespect to any of my other favourites - it's just that Kerry is my MOST favourite! I hope you have a wonderful day! lots of love, and big Kiwi hugs Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:02:36 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Oh,Gee! Hi JMDlers. I think you clever people have it all wrong with the O.G. My suggestions are:- - - Our Godess - - Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) Genius - - Outasite Girl - - Once Graham's er thats all I can come up with before 10 in the morning....I'm sure you have better Gordon In drizzling, miserable, grey, Glasgow. Can this weather get any more miserable! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:42:47 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? hi all. OK, i'm sort of embarrassed to admit this, but: i'm a somewhat avid reader of "US" magazine...that's right, the junk-filled celebrity rag that fills its pages with all sorts of breaking news like "SPOTTED! Ben Affleck ordering a Vanilla Latte!" anyhoo, in this week's issue (the lovely and billy bob-free angelina jolie on the cover), they have a silly feature called "lookalikes," with a small corner dedicated to how aimee mann and joni mitchell are, essentially, similar! they have a picture of joni, from what era i can't tell-- and one of aimee, and they note that aimee's new album ("lost in space") is due out in august. i don't know that they look so much alike, but i do know that these two artists pretty much make up my entire favorite music list, so... i'm taking it as a sign that reading "US" is a good idea. check it out if you're interested! - -- emily, on a chicago morning that is COOL...finally! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:04:51 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: NJC July 23th Happy fecking Birthday Kerry!!! FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > THE CHEESE STATE OF WISCONSIN WILL BE MAKING CHEESE CAKE FOR > > KERRY NIKUTTA (AKA MYRTL MOO) > > SO EVERYBODY PLEASE WISH A VERY VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO KERRY!! > > H A P P Y B I R H T H D A Y T O Y O U !!!!! > > (I can't wait to see you next month sweetie) > > xoxo > DBF Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:06:24 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? Hey, one of my friends insists that Steve Tyler and Joni Mitchell belong on Spy magazine's "Separated at Birth" page.....Let's not tell the folks at US ;-) Roberto > >anyhoo, in this week's issue (the lovely and billy bob-free >angelina jolie on the cover), they have a silly feature >called "lookalikes," with a small corner dedicated to >how aimee mann and joni mitchell are, essentially, similar! >they have a picture of joni, from what era i can't tell-- >and one of aimee, and they note that aimee's new album >("lost in space") is due out in august. > >i don't know that they look so much alike, but i do know >that these two artists pretty much make up my entire >favorite music list, so... > >i'm taking it as a sign that reading "US" is a good idea. > >check it out if you're interested! > >-- emily, on a chicago morning that is COOL...finally! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:13:01 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? NJC > (the lovely and billy bob-free > angelina jolie on the cover) And the lesson we can all take from this episode is to NEVER NEVER NEVER get a humongous tattoo on your arm sporting your "soul-mate"'s name. I suppose now she'll go back to her brother? ;~) Like the father of rock and roll, Chuck Berry, said: "Too much monkey business for me to be involved in". Bob NP: Captain Beefheart, live 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:49:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Let the Countdown begin! #994, Co Co Beaux, "A Case of You" (acapella collegiate group, sadly we may never get to hear it as the production was limited and it's now out of print...but college kids are always in need of $$, so it may yet be obtainable! ;~D) Bob NP: Elvis Costello/Steve Nieve, "Toledo" 11/June/99 (Thanks Mr. van Tiel!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: NJC July 23th wishing you lots of love, joy and kiwi kisses-(a given)on your birthday Kerry!!!!!!!! how many more nights???????? loveNhugzz from one of the girlzz and her honeyboi ;-) soon to be counting, no more nights, EVER!!!!!!!!!!! woohooooooo - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > THE CHEESE STATE OF WISCONSIN WILL BE MAKING CHEESE CAKE FOR > > KERRY NIKUTTA (AKA MYRTL MOO) > > SO EVERYBODY PLEASE WISH A VERY VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO KERRY!! > > > H A P P Y B I R H T H D A Y T O Y O U !!!!! > > (I can't wait to see you next month sweetie) > > xoxo > DBF Jimmy ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:45:56 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Oh,Gee! Gordon Mackie wrote: >I think you clever people have it all wrong with the O.G. My suggestions are:- > >- Our Godess > >- Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) Genius > >- Outasite Girl > >- Once Graham's Gordon, my suggestion is --Original Genius Sue, who is crying 'cuz her power went out five minutes into the new episode of "Sex and the City". I remember being in NYC last year for fleet week. Thank God Alison and Rose could hang on to me as otherwise I would have crushed a few good men ;-) _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:46:35 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Re: Rolling Stone on Joni "O. G" means Old Guard, a term left over from the American Leftist movement... Jim On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:44:51 -0400 Vince Lavieri writes: > In the current issue of Rolling Stone there is an article about > Avril > Lavigne, and a sidebar about famous female Canadian singers and Joni > is > listed first, and she is described as "O.G. folkie poet, hot babe, > genius." What does "O.G. mean? Interestingly, of the 8 artists > profiled, Joni's in the only one sentence that is all 100 > positive... > depending on what "O.G." means. > > Not too impressed with the way Avril Lavigne is presenting herself, > but > then self proclaimed bar brawlers never impressed me. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:40:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? - njc Roberto writes: << Hey, one of my friends insists that Steve Tyler and Joni Mitchell belong on Spy magazine's "Separated at Birth" page.....Let's not tell the folks at US ;-) >> Steve Tyler is on a "Got Milk?" billboard near here. The first couple of times I passed by it I assumed it was Carly Simon, so I think Steve looks much more like Carly than Joni. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:21:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC The Road to Perdition Saw this flick last night...sure was refreshing in the midst of all the great-special-effects-but-no-story-that-you-give-a-hoot-about movies usually available to see at the multiplex. There was lots of pressure on Mendes to come up with a worthy successor to "American Beauty" and he has certainly delivered imo. A superb story, well-written, well-acted, and beautifully shot by cinematographer Conrad Hall. It's thrilling to watch the great acting that Hanks, Paul Newman, Jude Law (in the creepiest part I've seen in a while), and Jennifer Jason Leigh do without saying a word. Even my son who I saw it with commented that he wanted to see it again to pick up on all the religious symbolism as well as the comparison/contrast between the Newman-Hanks "father-son" relationship & Hanks with his own son. Anyway, fwiw, great film, two thumbs up from me...nice soundtrack music as well. Bob NP: Sponge, "Molly" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Steve Tyler billboard Bob Murphy said: > Steve Tyler is on a "Got Milk?" billboard near here. The first couple of > times I passed by it I assumed it was Carly Simon, so I think Steve looks > much more like Carly than Joni. I KNOW the billboard!!!! It's the one near the Arsenal Mall, isn't it?? (although there are a bunch of them around...) He looks positively creepy in this ad - not that he doesn't anyway... My sister used to be his personal trainer - said he was actually nice, a gentleman really. Funny, she always got offered tix and backstage passes, but never went because she doesn't like their music. Aaaahhh, a money-making opportunity lost, I'd say. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:47:25 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Steve Tyler billboard - njc Anne writes: << I KNOW the billboard!!!! It's the one near the Arsenal Mall, isn't it?? >> YES!!! Right across the street from the mall. Small Joni world, isn't it? << My sister used to be his personal trainer - said he was actually nice, a gentleman really. >> A friend of mine was for many years the driver/gopher for their manager (now ex-manager . . . Collins, I think his name was). They were all pretty wild until everyone sobered up! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:23:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC July 23th happy birthday kerry! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: A new discovery in Joni studies Dearest Friends, A breakthrough in the field of Mitchellology. By translating Joni songs to various world languages, using the wonderful "language tool" provided by google, and then translating back to English, whole new layers of meaning are revealed. Below is "Case of You" translated to French: Juste avant que notre amour soit perdu avez-vous dit que "je suis aussi constant qu'une itoile nordique" et moi avons indiqui "constamment dans l'obscuriti ` oy est ce? Si vous vouloir je jtre dans barre "sur dos un dessin coaster dans bleu TV icran lumihre je dessiner un carte Canada OH Canada avec votre visage esquisser l`-dessus it deux fois OH vous jtre dans mon sang comme saint vin vous go{ter ainsi amer et ainsi doux OH je pouvoir boire un cas vous chiri encore je jtre sur mon pied OH je encore jtre sur mon pied OH je jtre un seul peintre je vivre dans un bonte peinture je jtre effrayer par diable et je jtre dessiner ces ceux qui jtre non effrayi je rappeler que temps vous dire vous dire" amour jtre toucher bme "s{r vous toucher mine 'cause partie vous verser hors dans ces ligne de temps en temps time to time OH, vous jtre dans mon sang comme saint vin vous go{ter si amer et ainsi doux OH je pouvoir boire un cas vous chiri et je encore jtre sur mon pied je encore jtre sur mon pied je rencontrer un femme avoir un bouche comme vttre connantre votre vie connantre votre diable et votre contrat et dire "aller lui, sijour avec lui si vous pouvoir mais jtre priparer pour saigner" OH mais vous jtre dans mon sang vous jtre mon saint vin vous jtre ainsi amer, amer et ainsi doux OH, Je pourrais boire une caisse de vous chiri que j'itais toujours sur mes pieds j'itais toujours sur mes pieds and now back to English using the same tool: Just before our love is lost do have you says that "I am as constant as a Scandinavian star" and me indicated "constantly in the darkness to where is it? If you to want I to be in bar "on back a drawing coaster in blue TV screen light I to draw a chart Canada OH Canada with your face to outline on top it twice OH to be to you in my blood like saint wine to taste you thus bitter and thus soft OH I to be able to drink a case you still cherished I to be on my foot OH I still to be on my foot OH I to be an only one painter I to live in a box painting I to be to frighten by devil and I to be to draw these those which to be not frightened I to recall that time to say to you to say" love being sure touch heart "to touch you mine ' causes part you to pour out in these line from time to time time to time OH, to be to you in my blood like saint wine to taste you so bitter and thus soft OH I to be able to drink a case you cherished and I still to be on my foot I still to be on my foot I to meet a woman to have a mouth like yours to know your life to know your devil and your contract and to say "to go him, stay with him if you to be able but to be to prepare to bleed" OH but to be to you in my blood to be my saint wine to be thus bitter, bitter and thus soft OH, I could drink a case of you cherished who I was always on my feet I was always on my feet Isn't technology an amazing thing? Love Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:28:00 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A new discovery in Joni studies - now njc Nuriel writes: << Isn't technology an amazing thing? >> Yes, to be sure being is. --Viv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:26:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A new discovery in Joni studies - now njc > Yes, to be sure being is. Actually, I think that's the way they sing it on Superman's Bizarro world! :~) Bob NP: Dusty Springfield, "Breakfast In Bed" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:19:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: investments - njc Here's a little tip: If you had bought $1000.00 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00. With Enron, you would have $16.50 of the original $1,000.00. With WorldCom, you would have less than $5.00 left. However, If you had purchased $1,000.00 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not shares of the stock) one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the cans for the 10-cent deposit, you would have $214.00. Based on the above, current investment advice: drink heavily and recycle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:25:14 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: looking and longing... yes - my fave is miles, but also coltraine and monk and some more contemporary stuff - also love billie. > The only one on your list that I haven't heard yet is NRH> NRH is the work of a mature artist, it is "smooth" sounding and seems to contain all the elements of her previous work blended into a new sound - standouts are NRH, PP, and STB. the only clunker is Windfall, which seems lyrically vindictive. NRH is the precursor to TI, not as musically complex. i have always liked NRH, but it has grown on me over the years and i recently spent a month listening to nothing else. yes WTRF pretty much leaves me cold. CC, MATW, Love are exceptions. > What's your opinion on DED?> DED has some great songs as evidenced by the acoustic, live performances i have heard. but the production on the studio release creates for me an emotional distance and i generally don't care for the sound. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:48:59 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Rufus alert - njc Linda Thompson's new cd, Fashionably Late, features contributions from her son Teddy, his friend Rufus Wainwright, and ex-husband, Richard Thompson. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:48:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: looking and longing... David writes: << the only clunker is Windfall, which seems lyrically vindictive >> Yeah, what's with that? This may be my least favorite Joni song of all time. I am also always playing the guessing game when I hear it . . . Is it about Klien? Obe of her cats? That poor Guatemalan maid? Let me add my voice to the chorus of people sending their regrets that you will not be able to make it to this year's Jonifest, David. I would have loved to meet a such a valued Joni in Fiction contributor! I hope next year we'll be able to get you there! (But first we have to wait until Ashara gets over saying, "Never again!") Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:49:41 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rufus alert - njc > Linda Thompson's new cd, Fashionably Late, features contributions from her > son Teddy, his friend Rufus Wainwright, and ex-husband, > Richard Thompson. Rolling Stone gives it 4 stars, and says that the duet w/Teddy is the best Mother-son duet ever, but off the top of my head I can't think of who their competition would be...Rufus & his Mom? Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Spare Parts" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:58:33 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rufus alert - njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Linda Thompson's new cd, Fashionably Late, features contributions from her > > son Teddy, his friend Rufus Wainwright, and ex-husband, > > Richard Thompson. > > Rolling Stone gives it 4 stars, and says that the duet w/Teddy is the best Mother-son duet ever, but off the top of my head I can't think of who their competition would be...Rufus & his Mom? How about Carly and Ben. Haven't they recorded a couple together. Hey, Colin???? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:00:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: looking and longing... > Yeah, what's with that? This may be my least favorite Joni song of all time. > I am also always playing the guessing game when I hear it . > . . Is it about > Klien? Obe of her cats? That poor Guatemalan maid? I think in one of the articles somewhere she does indeed identify it as being about the maid, it certainly plays out that way: Look you live here like a star Rent free suite Big blue pool that you sun by Trips to tropic shores Clothes from fancy stores And I'm assuming this part refers to her catholicism with the icons, lighting of candles, etc. Going to the church You chant For my downfall I do admit to loving the "you'd eat your long alive, for a Jaguar in the drive" line - man, it's acidically harsh, and justifiably so. But musically you're right, the melody doesn't stick. It's the NRH equivalent of "The Tea Leaf Prophecy"...an interesting sidebar based on some autobiographical data, but not much of a song I'm afraid. Bob NP: Bruce, "Tunnel Of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:02:24 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Rufus alert - njc In a message dated 23/07/02 19:51:51 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Rolling Stone gives it 4 stars, and says that the duet w/Teddy is the best Mother-son duet ever, but off the top of my head I can't think of who their competition would be...Rufus & his Mom? >> Hmm, that's tricky. Funnily enough, I can think of a couple of female singers who have drummers who also happen to be their sons: Stacey Earle and Etta James. Not sure if this is on record, but I've seen both combinations live. Azeem in London NP: Beth Orton - Central Reservation (can't wait for her new one) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:38:22 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re:Rolling Stone on Joni Bob states: > > > > Typically it means "Original Gangsta" Brenda answers > I see it as a compliment. Nevermind the gang connotations of O.G.; it's also a > marker of respect for an originator, who laid the foundation for those who > followed and yet remains unsurpassed. Vince concludes >and there I think is the answer. Thank you both! hey guys, let's not forget organic gardener !!! double diggin' it, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:18:47 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: looking and longing... The nice Bob writes: << It's the NRH equivalent of "The Tea Leaf Prophecy"...an interesting sidebar based on some autobiographical data, but not much of a song I'm afraid. >> Yes, but I think TTLP has much better lyrics overall. I like it anyway, even if the the melody is sluggish at best. And I was only joking about the Guatemalan maid being the subject of The Windfall. I had no idea I'd be right! --Bob NP: A thunder and lightening storm with skies so dark the streetlights have come on! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:12:29 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: njc current events (judicial nominees) This waa forwarded to me from the Religious Coalition for Choice, to which I belong. For those who are interested in these things... Vince > >bkavadias@rcrc.org > > >Debate on Court Nominee Centers on Abortion > >July 22, 2002 >By NEIL A. LEWIS > >WASHINGTON, July 21 - The White House is heading toward a >confrontation with Senate Democrats and their allies in >liberal advocacy groups over President Bush's effort to >give a federal appeals court seat to a conservative state >judge from Texas with a strong judicial record opposing >abortion. > >When Justice Priscilla Owen of the Texas Supreme Court >appears before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, >her confirmation hearing will be the latest display of the >the continuing battle between Mr. Bush and the Democrats >who control the Senate over the ideological shape of the >federal courts. > >Dominating the debate about Justice Owen's fitness for the >appeals court is the complex question of the courts' role >in interpreting abortion laws. The debate over her >nomination may set a pattern for future judicial >nominations, including those for any nominees to the >Supreme Court, where abortion is likely to be an issue. > >As a member of Texas's highest court, Justice Owen has >staked out a strongly anti-abortion legal approach, notably >in her largely unsuccessful efforts to make it difficult >for a minor to obtain an abortion without her parents' >permission. > >In addition, there is evidence that she may have been >chosen for the spot over another candidate explicitly >because of her anti-abortion views and her closeness to >Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, who >engineered her 1994 election to the Texas court. > >Justice Owen is expected to be closely questioned about her >dissenting opinions in cases interpreting a Texas law that >allows teenagers to seek a judicial bypass; that is, a >court's permission for an abortion without having to tell >their parents. The law provides that a minor can obtain a >judicial bypass if she demonstrates that she is well >informed, mature and would suffer if she informed her >parents. > >The White House and Justice Owen's Republican supporters >are greatly concerned that the prime piece of evidence that >opponents will use to say she is unsuitable for the post on >the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit >comes from the White House counsel, Alberto R. Gonzales, >who once served with her on the Texas Supreme Court. > >In the first of the cases interpreting the statute allowing >for a judicial bypass, Justice Owen was one of three >dissenters who said the majority's standards for minors to >be granted a court's approval for abortion were not >stringent enough. She had earlier written that she believed >a minor would have to demonstrate that she knew there were >religious objections to abortion and that some women who >underwent abortions had experienced severe remorse. > >Mr. Gonzales, then a justice on the court, wrote that the >reading of the law by the dissenters was "an unconscionable >act of judicial activism." > >In a recent interview, Mr. Gonzales sought to minimize the >impact of his remarks. He acknowledged that calling someone >a "judicial activist" was a serious accusation, especially >among Republicans who have used that term as an imprecation >against liberals. > >"I know what President Bush expects in nominees, and I am >absolutely confident that she will do her job in a way that >is consistent with the president's philosophy of judging; >that is, interpreting the law and not legislating from the >bench," he said. "She will exercise judicial restraint and >understands the limited role of the judiciary." > >He said his comments in the abortion case were the result >of a strong disagreement over how to interpret a new law. >"In this case, we both looked at the statute and disagreed, >but this in no way detracts from my belief that she will be >a fine judge," he said. > >Kate Michelman, the president of the National Abortion >Rights Action League, said Mr. Gonzales could not wash away >the significance of his remarks in the June 2000 case. "It >shows she is even outside the conservative stream of the >Texas Supreme Court," Ms. Michelman said. "She was trying >to push the court to require even more obstacles for the >most vulnerable people" seeking an abortion. > >All members of the Texas court were Republicans at the >time. Mr. Gonzales also wrote that as a parent he was sorry >that the Legislature had not made it more difficult for a >minor to obtain an abortion, but that he was obliged to >accept the law as enacted "without imposing my moral views >on the decisions of the Legislature." > >There appears to be another abortion dimension to the Owen >nomination. Mr. Gonzales acknowledged that the White House >had considered another woman on the Texas Supreme Court, >Deborah Hankinson, for the spot on the Fifth Circuit, which >is based in New Orleans. Justice Hankinson was on the other >side of the abortion rulings about parental notification. > >Lawyers in Austin, liberals and conservatives, said in >interviews last week that Justice Hankinson had freely told >them that someone in the White House told her she was taken >out of consideration explicitly because of her rulings in >the teenage abortion cases. She was out of the country and >her office said she was unavailable for comment. > >According to press reports and interviews with Texas >lawyers, Justice Hankinson and Mr. Gonzales were close >colleagues on the court, both having been appointed by Mr. >Bush when he was governor. Justice Owen, on the other hand, >was an ally of Mr. Rove's when she ran for the Supreme >Court. Records at the Texas Ethics Commission show that she >paid Mr. Rove $247,390 to help run her successful campaign. > > >Mr. Gonzales declined to discuss whether he had pushed for >Justice Hankinson and Mr. Rove had favored Justice Owen. >Mr. Rove also declined to comment. > >In addition to objecting to her views on abortion rights, >liberal advocacy groups have raised questions about the >relationship of Justice Owen's opinions to donations she >received from Texas corporations, including Enron. > >Justice Owen, who was elected in 1994 with the help of an >$8,600 donation from Enron, later wrote a majority opinion >that reversed a lower court order, saving the company about >$225,000 in taxes. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/22/politics/22OWEN.html?ex=1028377717&ei=1&en=32d28b5ca464a51b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:15:32 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Jimmy B in a different Joni song? In a message dated 7/22/02 8:04:51 PM, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: << Joni played three songs with Jimmy Buffets band (Cherokee Louise, Just Like This Train, and Big Yellow Taxi. That was the night I got to dance with her on the side of the stage to Neville Brothers music. I still have a momento from that night the glitter name card that was on her dressing room door. >> Paz, :-) I'd forgotten this story! -- god, how i swoon at the thought of dancing with her, even more chatting with her -- but obviously she and the Buffster must be pals, in spirit if not in songwriting styles or ability. Maybe he's inspired by her songwriting without its having any obvious or apparent effect on his. "I met a friend in spirit/who drank and womanized (hasn't she re-worded this line -- "a sage in [something]'s eyes")/And I sat before his sanity/i was holding back from crying/he saw my complications/and he mirrored me back simplified/and we laughed how our perfection/ would always be denied..." (Refuge from the Roads, Hejira) Hmmm. Could *that* have been Jimmy B? I love wondering about these things. best to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:17:34 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: A new discovery in Joni studies Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Dearest Friends, > > ... By translating Joni songs to various world languages, using the wonderful "language tool" provided by google, and then translating back to English, whole new layers of meaning are revealed. > > Below is "Case of You" translated to French... and now back to English using the same tool: > > I still to be on my foot "I still to be on my foot" is a wonderful line (sounds like something from SCTV) and I hope several of the musicians in the JMDL take up the challenege and write a song with that in the title - or Bob, wrap your parody-mind around this for a while while the 1,000 covers count down continues... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:21:58 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: NJC The Road to Perdition SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > ,,, all the religious symbolism as well as the comparison/contrast ... > > Anyway, fwiw, great film, two thumbs up from me...nice soundtrack music as well. > But as everyone from Chicago knows by now, without even have seen the movie, the el trains are the wrong color - silver - instead of the green that they were in the 30s and well into the 70s. A flaw like that, I don't know if I can respect the movie... :-) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:47:14 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: NJC July 23th HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, KERRY!!! Hope your day is fantabulous! c _______________________________________ Cindy Vickery Daniel Corporation 205-443-4718 direct 205-443-4615 facsimile http://www.danielcorp.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:10:16 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: the maid > I think in one of the articles somewhere she does indeed identify it as being about the maid> yes i've read the article and it is about the maid. and maybe the maid was the bad guy in the scenario. but what i hear in the song is this rich, famous person complaining about the hired help."you want everything for nothing". i guess the lady never did a lick of work. well just fire her and be done with it. i guess my politics may get in the way - but it shows a side to joni which is unpleasant to me. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:21:48 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Chaim Potek NJC Just heard on NPR that Chaim Potek died today - what a wondrful man and a wonderful writer, you opened the way to dialogue between Jews and Christians. Back in 1977 I had a class in seminary team taught by one of my Lutheran professors and a rabbi, current issues in Jewish-Christian dialogue. I chose as my topic Potek's dialogue with the goyim world - a topic my Lutheran professor abhorred but the Rabbi loved - and thank you Rabbi Pearlman for the A! Potek not only opened the separate worlds of the same faith to each other, he also trasmitted the greatest insights of the Hasidic, including those from the great scholar Abraham Heschel, and showed how faith lives, not how faith is a series of intellectual agreements or a code of ethics or a way of life, but how true faith lives, and the joy that is found theein. Perhaps his greatest work was The Gift of Asher Lev - the Chosen and the promise were probably better known. In the Beginning and The Book of Lights are just pure masterpieces. (I must admit to not liking Davida's Harp allo that much.) And that Potek did everything he did in the foirm of a stiry teller - this is not hard literature that hurts to read, but the warm and loving narrative of a great story teller who knows how to convey Truth and Life in the way the story is told. If anyone need still needs something to rwad this summer, get home Chaim Potek's books. Whenever I have moved, Potek's books have always been packed first. One last Potek story for now: in around 1984 a good friend of mine, Ricky, a wayward member of his faith community, was having the local Hasidic rabbi over for dinner - the Rabbi Weinsten was going to strrongly suggest Ricky return to his faith, and not as a Conservative or Reform, but as a Hasid. Ricky, who could never pass up an opportunity for mixing things up, invited me over too as a surprise for the Rabbi. Hasidic rabbis do not mix much with Christian ministers, sort of for the same reason that the Amish stay within their faith community too. The Rabbi arched an eyebrow at me and said, "I am Hasidic." I - since I always read my Potek - knew enough to say, "Oh, Lubavitch or other?" The Rabbi put doewn his wine glass, looked at me, and said, "Most Christians do not know about that." I sai,d, "this one does" and away we went, a delightful evening of sharing and conversation unlike any other that I have ever had. I don't remember what we exactly talked about, but I do remember what a vibrant, happy faith he had. He was a lot surer of his convictions than I am of mine - the world was easier for him to categorize that it is for me - but the insights of two staunch believers that God mattered, and that God was about having life, we were in total agreement there and it was so refreshing. And though he looked at the world in a simpler manner than me, his insights were far more complex. But I was prepared for that by having read Potek - he perhaps more than any other author told me that there is so much validity in the variety of ways we may understand things, that the only intelliegent - and real - - response to differences is to dialogue, understand, find where it makes most sense for you, and extend all validity to all others, no matter how much they may see things differently, because there is a validness in diversity that we do not understand in our own narrowness... seek to understand, and insight is there. God bless you Chaim Potek. Thank you for being. To life! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:51:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: yo listas, how ya been? NJC - --- Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley wrote: > Hey you beautiful listas, you! > How goes it, y'all? I just had to check in > since I miss all of you > so much. Hey! Good to hear from you after so long! I forgot your *real* name WASN'T Evian. > I'm happy, but also > (this sounds stupid) > mourning the fact that I have to quit smoking, > because, damnit, I love > love love it, and I love smokers, and OMG I love > bonding with smokers, > but whatever, I'll deal with it I guess. I quit smoking 17 years ago and there are aspects of it that I still miss (like the way it feels in my hand, and the first drag of the day). If I could smoke just one cigarette a day, I would, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way with smoking. Anyway, I'm sure my lungs and sinuses wouldn't be able to handle it, since I'm allergic to just about anything that floats in the air. Anyway, your baby will thank you for it - wow! 14 months old already! It seems like only yesterday you were announcing her birth. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:52:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oh,Gee! - --- Gordon Mackie wrote: > Hi JMDlers. > > I think you clever people have it all wrong with the > O.G. My suggestions are:- > > - Our Godess > > - Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) > Genius > > - Outasite Girl > > - Once Graham's > I was thinking maybe "Old Grandma". ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:54:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? njc - --- Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > hi all. OK, i'm sort of embarrassed to admit this, > but: > i'm a somewhat avid reader of "US" magazine... > > i'm taking it as a sign that reading "US" is a good > idea. > I make appointments with my doctor or hairstylist *JUST SO* I can catch up on Us and People! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:59:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A new discovery in Joni studies - now njc - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, to be sure being is. > > Actually, I think that's the way they sing it on > Superman's Bizarro world! :~) > I dunno - it sounds kinda like Yoda to me. Hey Nuriel, good to see you back to your usual crazy self! ;) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:05:07 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Today in the Kalamazoo Gazette NJC My last post of the day, and then I go away, I promise. The best written paper in America is the Kalamazoo gazette, which one reported that the search for a missing person revealed "a dead end." In last Saturday's Kalamazoo gazette, in the church news section, there is a headline that reads as follows" "Juggling and Jesus at magic show." Alas, the article failed to say who was opening act and who was the headiner. Then in the news around the nation section, it is headlined "Enrollment up since Beaver College changed its name." It seems application are up 33% since the Glenside, Pennslyvania college changed its name from Beaver University to Arcadia University, President Bette Landman said that Beaver University "was the butt of many jokes." There are comments to be made, but not by me. off the internet for the rest of the night, for your relief, Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:07:10 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: A new discovery in Joni studies - now njc > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Yes, to be sure being is. > > > > Actually, I think that's the way they sing it on > > Superman's Bizarro world! :~) > > > Catherine McKay wrote: > > I dunno - it sounds kinda like Yoda to me. Hey > Nuriel, good to see you back to your usual crazy self! ;) I was thinking Kierkegaard, but I'd go with Yoda. Vince off the internet for sure now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC July 23RRRRRDDDDD LOL! hell, i had to wipe off my moniter too! HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY KERRY! i hope it's truly great. can't wait to see you! it's gonna be such fun. i'm really starting to get excited, really, really now. alison e. in slc np: jay farrar - --- hell wrote: > Jimmy - by the way, how do you pronounce the 23th? > I can't do it without > spitting all over myself.....;o) - wrote: > > > THE CHEESE STATE OF WISCONSIN WILL BE MAKING > CHEESE CAKE FOR > > KERRY NIKUTTA (AKA > MYRTL MOO) > > SO EVERYBODY PLEASE WISH A VERY VERY HAPPY > BIRTHDAY TO KERRY!! Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:08:06 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: the maid Hi David.. I don't know if anyone brought this up, BUT didn't that maid steal from Joni? Joni gave her money for a trip...and she found out it was not used for a trip at all. The way I read it she took advantage of Joni's kindness and generosity. Bree >the hired help."you want everything for nothing". i guess the lady never >did >a lick of work. well just fire her and be done with it. >i guess my politics may get in the way - but it shows a side to joni which >is unpleasant to me. >peace, david _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:19:47 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: YOUR CD!!!!!!!!! I'm sending this to the list because of Mags mentioning Anne's CD. I wrote this to Anne about a month ago after hearing her demo. I'm sure she won't care me sharing this with her Joni brothers and sisters. Bree Anne! Anne! Anne! I was just doing some folder organizing and draft deleting and found that I had set aside a response I was going to send you about your CD. I don't believe I sent you a response, but if by chance I did, let me tell you again, how wonderful I found your CD. WOW!! If I had just ounce of your talent, my head would be as big as a blimp. :O What a beautiful voice you have, angelic at times, ....you can play and then write, melodies and lyrics!! Like I told Sherelle, you have the talent, now you will need some luck. I am convinced IF the right person heard your demo....you would have some songs sold and maybe even a contract. FIRE : I love the beat..the rhythm......your guitar playing....it is very interesting. Very Catchy! Ordinary Life : Yee-haw!! Great, great lyrics......yeah catchy too! Somewhere Tonight, Mary: Gosh Anne....this is quite pretty. Really nice...hauntingly beautiful. Oh..and your voice is so lovely...yeah angelic. Soothing......early Joni....takes me away....as only Joni can do and now you too. I can't refuse : I played your CD for my brother, who is a musician and songwriter and he remarked how this song put him in mind of Masters Of Reality song, called : "Rolling Green". He then played it for me and the beat and rhythm are nothing like it, but a few of the chords are similar. Heroes Of The Fall: Nice, Anne..you managed to convey hope and a positive ness out pure raw evil and tragedy. Thanks......and much, much luck to you!! When you are famous, I can say I knew her when........ Take care, Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:19:54 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Oh,Gee! - -Outrageously Gifted Gordon Mackie wrote: > Hi JMDlers. > > I think you clever people have it all wrong with the O.G. My suggestions are:- > > - Our Godess > > - Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) Genius > > - Outasite Girl > > - Once Graham's > > er thats all I can come up with before 10 in the morning....I'm sure > you have better > > Gordon > > In drizzling, miserable, grey, Glasgow. Can this weather get any more > miserable! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:38:30 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: the maid .. I don't know if anyone brought this up, BUT didn't that maid > steal from Joni? Joni gave her money for a trip...and she found out it was > not used for a trip at all. The way I read it she took advantage of Joni's > kindness and generosity. hi bree, i think that is a perfectly legitimate analysis and yes that is joni's story - i would like to excuse joni because i adore her - i've tried to get beyond my take on the song, your comments help. thanks. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:30:21 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Just say Yes njc Michael Paz wrote: > Make sure to stop by the mixing board and say hi to may boy Jeff. I hear he > is doing a great job. > Yes, he is. The sound was superb. Vocals clear. Bass thunderous. At one point Howe's guitar was autopanning from side to side. All that great music is still running through my head days later. RR ps I was knocked out by how well Anderson and Squire's voices blend. When the two of them sing (even without Howe, who chimes in from time to time) it sounds like four voices instead of two. Howe do they do that? Similarly, the four instruments have such a full sound. Thumbs up to the guys for not pulling a Moody Blues. No spare keyboardist or drummer. No gaggle of backup singers. Just pure musical muscle. (Oddly, my wife was not terribly moved. We have been to probably 30+ concerts together over the years. She said this was her least favorite of them all, even though she recognized what great artists they are. I think Yes is more of a guy thing, for whatever reason. The Joni symphony show was one of her very top faves, btw). RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #298 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?