From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #289 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 16 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 289 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 15 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] bunny advice njc ["Kate Bennett" ] under blank revisited njc ["Kate Bennett" ] integrity NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: language njc [Mags N Brei ] Re: language njc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Meeting in Paris. (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: wilco (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: language njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: wilco (NJC) ["gene mock" ] Re: language njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] DJRD & NRH ["Erica Trudelle" ] Who is "A strange Boy" about? [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #288 - NJC Corruption, etc. [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: DJRD & NRH [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: wilco (NJC) [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: wilco (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: wilco (NJC) ["Brenda" ] Re: wilco (NJC) ["Brenda" ] Re: wilco (NJC) ["Brenda" ] Re: DJRD & NRH [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #288 - NJC Corruption, etc. [Randy Remote ] Re: language njc ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: language njc [Rick and Susan ] Re: DJRD & NRH ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Who is "A strange Boy" about? ["Suze Cameron" ] RE: language njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: language njc ["Heather" ] RE: language njc ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: joni and relationships [Randy Remote ] Re: language njc [Randy Remote ] Re: joni and relationships ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: language njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Star Wars NJC ["kakki" ] Re: aggressive enrichment NJC ["kakki" ] RE: language/older folks buying music njc ["Brenda" ] Re: language njc ["Brenda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:00:36 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 15 1972: Joni performs at Mariposa Folk Festival ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:13:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: bunny advice njc we had a lop eared bunny that loved to chew all the electric chords in the house so beware! sooo cute though ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:13:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: under blank revisited njc here's another one courstesy of robin williams...one nation under canada over mexico... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:35:12 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: integrity NJC Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles and Tim Radford Monday July 15, 2002 The GuardianUS scientists admit the truth - new discovery was an elementary fabrication. >>What was hailed as a major scientific discovery of two new heavy elements three years ago now turns out to have been based on fabricated evidence, academics have revealed. A team of scientists at Lawrence Berkeley laboratory in California claimed in 1999 that a team of 15 scientists had discovered an element called "ununoctium" by firing high-energy krypton ions at a lead target. The results were published hurriedly and created ripples across the scientific community. The significance of the discovery was that it appeared to confirm theories about an "island of stability" for nuclei and thus advance scientific knowledge. But when scientists in Germany and Japan unsuccessfully tried to replicate the results, questions about the authenticity of the claims surfaced. Last year, the laboratory finally withdrew the claims. Now they have admitted that the research had been fabricated. "There is nothing more important for a laboratory than scientific integrity," Mr Shank told laboratory employees. "Only with such integrity will the public, which funds our work, have confidence in us." He added: "In this case, the most elementary checks and data archiving were nor done." My question is: Does the above situation prove/show/suggest that the system works and there are one or two incompetent / inefficient / misguided (criminal?) types working in it, or does it suggest that any system that includes inefficiency is by definition a bad system? Now if we apply this logic to the SEC (or Enron, or Capitalism in general), can we assume that the system is fine but the details need fine tuning, or is it more realistic to believe that the problems are systematic rather than glitches? Maybe you will say that no system is perfect and that we will never achieve perfection, and I may agree with you(se) or not, but should we not reject the 'one bad apple in the barrel' scenario and instead aim for perfection? After all, everybody needs a goal in life. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: language njc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > on a similar but less crude note...is the kind of thing that i guess > coaches > used to say to their teams such as "throws like a girl" or "runs like > a > girl". i thought this kind of talk was pretty outmoded (publically at > least) > until i heard david letterman say something along those lines > recently...& > it really bugged me...especially now when women's sports are finally > getting > the accolades they deserve... Kate, when I did my degree a few years ago, one of the courses I took was Women in Sport in the 20th century. Sad to say that kind of comment runs rampant still. I heard it first hand on several occasions, while running, playing baseball, basketball etc. Whenever I heard that 'oh you throw like a girl or you 'run' like a girl, I could not help but reply, well I guess so, might be because I AM a girl. (double whammy, a CANADIAN GIRL at that ;~)) I miss running very much. Guess I will have to join Jimmy on the ice rink or the two Bobs in the pool! Speaking of skating Jimmy, I just found a photo from my skating days as a little kid. My siblings and I were in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs performed by our small town Winter Club.. I could send it along with my resume ;~P Mags...dreaming of running again soon. np: the birds outside my window > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com > Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs > Over the Moon- > "bringing the melancholy world of twilight > to life almost like magic" All Music Guide > ******************************************** ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:48:59 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: language njc Kate, I heard that comment too, and was unsettled that my fave Dave Letterman used the phrase. For what it is worth, someone used that phrase on the White Sox message boards once, just once. Someone (modesty forbids me stating who) called the poster on that as sexist language, was scoffed at, and then a major number of women and men responded in a great and massive support of that phrase being old, tired, incorrect, and sexist. And we have never seen it again! The women who responded tened to be women who entered sports in the post Title IX era. The men who reponded in support tended to be fathers of daughters now or recently in sports, again, post Title IX era. Vince > --- Kate Bennett wrote: > on a similar but less crude note...is the kind of thing that i guess > > coaches used to say to their teams such as "throws like a girl" or > "runs like a girl". i thought this kind of talk was pretty outmoded > (publically at > > least) until i heard david letterman say something along those lines > > recently...& it really bugged me.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:07:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Meeting in Paris. (NJC) Paz wrote > . Freda and I had a wonderful time in > Paris and Monaco last year (YOU KNOW Prince Albert invited us over for a > few > days). I think you mean someone WEARING a Prince Albert invited you over for a few days :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:56:08 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) > have i missed any discussion about wilco's latest > and greatest album, "yankee hotel foxtrot"? for the > last two months i have listened to it nonstop. and > i hadn't really been a fan of previous wilco things, > because the country rock stuff doesn't always do it > for me... Hi Emily, If you've missed any discussion about this record, than I have as well! ;~) It'll make a lot of "best" lists at the end of the year, it IS hypnotically catchy. I'm just surprised that you weren't equally enamored with "Being There" & "Summerteeth", neither of which I would categorize as "country rock". Anyway, Wilco is superb and what makes YHF even funnier is that the brainthrobs at Reprise wouldn't even release it, they kicked it back to Wilco as being unacceptable. Proves once again how out of touch the suits are! Bob NP: Eminem, "Square Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:55:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: language njc good for you calling someone on their language! yay for the fathers of girls on teams... on a related subject, at the college where i used to work, there is a woman who coaches & teaches phys ed & has been there a long time...& a man who has been there even longer as one of the men's coaches...they are friends now but she told me that when she was first hired that he protested vehemently saying that she was taking away a man's job...some things have changed a little i guess... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:41:09 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) "yankee hotel foxtrot" is the military's phonetic language for the letters y,h, and f. does anybody know the significance of the "y,h,f" on wilco's album? incidentally, the word "wilco" is the military radio response for "will comply." later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:56 AM Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) > > have i missed any discussion about wilco's latest > > and greatest album, "yankee hotel foxtrot"? for the > > last two months i have listened to it nonstop. and > > i hadn't really been a fan of previous wilco things, > > because the country rock stuff doesn't always do it > > for me... > > Hi Emily, > > If you've missed any discussion about this record, than I have as well! ;~) > It'll make a lot of "best" lists at the end of the year, it IS hypnotically catchy. I'm just surprised that you weren't equally enamored with "Being There" & "Summerteeth", neither of which I would categorize as "country rock". Anyway, Wilco is superb and what makes YHF even funnier is that the brainthrobs at Reprise wouldn't even release it, they kicked it back to Wilco as being unacceptable. Proves once again how out of touch the suits are! > > Bob > > NP: Eminem, "Square Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:09:43 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: language njc > >>It is unfortunate, but probably not coincidental, that the very worst >thing you can call a man or a women refers to the sexual organs of a >woman.<< > >on a similar but less crude note...is the kind of thing that i guess >coaches >used to say to their teams such as "throws like a girl" or "runs like a >girl". i thought this kind of talk was pretty outmoded (publically at >least) This brought to mind, Kate,I recently watched a womens golf tournament in which the woman who won was forty something. Well...the darn announcer never let the audience forget. If he brought her age up once, he brought it up a good dozen times. To the point I was getting really annoyed. Now, anybody that knows even a little about the game of golf knows it has as much to do with mental strength as well as the physical side of it too. ( But you know this little old lady of forty could hardly make it round the eighteen holes much less concetrate on her game. How she pulled this off...a miracle...I tell you. This was the guys attitude. ) Same scenario....but if it was a forty something man who won....would his age have had the same focus? ??????? Bree.. who just took up golf.....and stinks....but not because I am forty something.. >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:20:56 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: DJRD & NRH hey all, I just got DJRD and NRH....I wish to receive any and all comments, advice, warnings, and joyus remarks about listening to one or both of these. I know I know, it's a long time coming to add these 2 to the ol' collection, that's just the way it goes. Thanks for your knowledge! Erica NP: some song I don't know the name of on DJRD _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:32:31 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Who is "A strange Boy" about? Does anyone know who the strange boy in Hejira is about?There are so many songs in which I'd like to know who they're about... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:37:07 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #288 - NJC Corruption, etc. > the system as it stands is completely corrupted > by moneyed interests, and there is very little difference > between the two parties. You're right, the system is corrupt, and when it comes to fundraising and influence there isn't much if any difference. But when it comes to appointing Supreme Court justices and policy makers at Interior and EPA (and other trivial matters), there are big differences. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:21:24 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD & NRH > I just got DJRD and NRH....I wish to receive any and all comments, advice, > warnings, and joyus remarks about listening to one or both > of these. Congrats on the purchase, Erica...both are good efforts, DJRD the stronger of the 2. It's significant to put DJRD in its perspective as far as time is concerned. In 1977, as far as "popular" music you had classic rock, you had disco, you had punk & new wave...and then there was DJRD. It took a lot of the Hejira sound and pushed it even farther to the edge. The lyrics are a bit more cryptic, and of course there's Paprika Plains which is in a class of itself. If you're reading through the lyrics as you're listening, there are a lot of written lyrics in DJRD that she doesn't sing, so be sure & seek them out. Several themes abound in it, relationships & dreams among them. Bob NP: Smash Mouth, "Let's Rock" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:37:09 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) hi bob! >I'm just surprised that you weren't equally > enamored with "Being There" & "Summerteeth", neither of which I > would categorize as "country rock". Anyway, Wilco is superb and > what makes YHF even funnier is that the brainthrobs at Reprise > wouldn't even release it right--i guess those albums aren't the countryish ones. actually, i only have "being there" (in addition to YHF), and i haven't given it adequate listen time. what i'm thinking of is mainly jeff tweedy's earlier collaboration with jay farrar--both courtney and a friend of his are devotees of "alt-country" music, and the only wilco i'd heard before YHF was on some mixed tapes we have...sounding very roots rockin', like uncle tupelo. not that that's a BAD thing! i'll keep on with "being there," although the first song kinda turns me off (on disc 1). yeah, it's pretty wild about the reprise situation. reminds me of aimee mann! apparently there is a new documentary on wilco coming out soon--called "i am trying to break your heart" which captures some good star-maker-machinery dirt on that situation. can't wait for that, and for the wilco show we're taking in on 8/3, in order to celebrate courtney finishing the illinois bar exam! - -- emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:01:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) On 15 Jul 2002 at 10:56, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, Wilco is superb and what makes > YHF even funnier is that the brainthrobs at Reprise wouldn't even > release it, they kicked it back to Wilco as being unacceptable. Proves > once again how out of touch the suits are! > Well, that's not quite fair. It's not that they didn't think it was unacceptable or great; they rejected it for not being commercial. They didn't think it would at least go platinum, and they're right - it won't. It has a slim chance of going gold. In the world of the majors were their multinat corporate parents are pressuring them to deliver a certain return on marketing dollars spent every quarter, every year and every career, the stakes are very high. And seeing as how the band had already put out three albums with the label without a huge breakthrough, the parting of ways was best for both. Nonesuch is a more appropriate label for the band to be with. The big lesson with YHF in my book is that despite the fact that all the tracks were streamed from the band's web site and were readily available on Napster and other p2p networks for more than a year before the CD was released, YHF still became the band's bestseller with all other things relative to their prior releases being fairly equal - no video in heavy rotation on MTV, college and some commercial radio play and touring. B n.p.: Lalah Hathaway & Joe Sample - "One Day I'll Fly Away" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:37:06 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) On 15 Jul 2002 at 17:37, Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > yeah, it's pretty wild about the reprise situation. reminds > me of aimee mann! apparently there is a new documentary > on wilco coming out soon--called "i am trying to break > your heart" which captures some good star-maker-machinery > dirt on that situation. > I think Aimee's situation was quite different. Imago went out of business and wouldn't let her put the record out once she signed with Reprise. And her subsequent releases on Geffen lost money. No one wanted to sign her. Reprise could have kept YHF and shelved it, but they did the right thing - they let the band buy the record back and on the cheap at that. Wilco had been pretty much breaking even, but they just never had the commercial breakthrough that a major label needs (these days) to justify continuing. They got their record back and a clean financial slate to shop to other labels that were interested. And there were interested labels; they were not the pariah that Aimee had become. (Not to say that Aimee herself was a pariah; she was viewed as a pariah in terms of commercial possibilities.) B n.p.: Lalah Hathaway - "I'm Coming Back" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:38:45 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: wilco (NJC) On 15 Jul 2002 at 16:22, Brenda wrote: > Well, that's not quite fair. It's not that they didn't think it was > unacceptable or great; they rejected it for not being commercial. > They didn't think it would at least go platinum, and they're right - > it won't. It has a slim chance of going gold. Correction - that should be "It's not that they didn't think it was ACCEPTABLE or great..." B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:48:27 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: DJRD & NRH Erica Trudelle wrote: > hey all, > I just got DJRD and NRH....I wish to receive any and all comments, advice, > warnings, and joyus remarks about listening to one or both of these. DJRD is on my desert island list. I feel Joni was hitting (another) creative peak, both as a songwriter, and a record maker. I love the sparseness of the arrangements. While the instrumentation is often similar to Hejira, the song are looser and jazzier. Many real nice examples of Joni's guitar playing, "Silky Veils" is a show stopper, and "Off Night Backstreet". The moment when Jaco's bass comes in on the intro to "Cotton Avenue".....Jaco's bass! It's pretty cool, even though "Otis and Marlena" and "Dreamland" sometimes drag a bit. Think of them as intermissions... BTW "Paprika Plains" was the song that caught Charles Mingus' attention and moved him to call Joni to write lyrics for him. NRH, like most of her Klein era albums has not really moved me much. But then I've probably only played it 3 or 4 times...It is considered by many to be a return to form after the synth oriented stuff she had been doing. Is it her last acoustic guitar album? Not sure. Lots of people really like it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:59:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #288 - NJC Corruption, etc. Yes, I would agree to that. But it does depend on the issue. As I said, Gore was for Star Wars, Clinton started the Columbia quagmire, increased wire tapping and drug war funding by a factor of three, dismantled the welfare system which will result in more childhood malnutrition, etc.... All of Congress rubber stamped the Patriot Act. And if both parties are excepting corporate funding, they are both expected to pay it back somehow. RR BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > > the system as it stands is completely corrupted > > by moneyed interests, and there is very little difference > > between the two parties. > > You're right, the system is corrupt, and when it comes to fundraising and influence there isn't much if any difference. But when it comes to appointing Supreme Court justices and policy makers at Interior and EPA (and other trivial matters), there are big differences. > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:2:24 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: joni and relationships from an account of Neil Young's stay in Amsterdam in September 1974 written by Constant Meijers: Graham Nash and I drive out to the Bijlmermeer district to buy Hfl 250 worth of red le.....(? sorry, can't make this word out). En route Nash tells me that 'Frozen Man' is about Neil's relationship with Carrie, they've broken up. He also tells me that 'Only Love Can Break Your Heart' was written for him. "I'd broken up with Joni and Neil came to me and said he'd written a song for me, because he knew exactly how I felt. Joni is one of those people who can't make a good relationship last. When we were doing alright, she quit." - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:26:05 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: language njc o.k., I wasn't going to respond but this is killing me....I say "you throw like a girl" to the elementary boys when they have a really good arm. It ticks them off so when they complain I ask them to catch a pitch from me (former pitcher). When they scream, cry and shake their hand they finally understand. So, do you think this is o.k. or should I stop? Sue n.p. "Dazed and Confused" Led Zep _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:33:46 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: language njc on 7/15/02 7:26 PM, Suze Cameron at suze_1@lycos.com wrote: > I say "you throw > like a girl" to the elementary > boys when they have a really good arm. It ticks them off so when they > complain I ask them to catch a pitch from me (former pitcher). When they > scream, cry and shake their hand they finally understand. > > So, do you think this is o.k. or should I stop? I love it! Shake up their little blinkered brains. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:40:10 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: DJRD & NRH Erica Trudelle wrote: >I just got DJRD and NRH....I wish to receive any and all comments ERICKA!!!!!!!!!!! You are in for some fun now! Please make sure to listen to DJRD with headphones stoned ***not like I ever have, just my advice*** Also, Two Grey Rooms is to die for! You will love it! Enjoy and keep us updated. Always great to hear Joni again through someone else's perspective. Take care, Sue _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:46:19 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Who is "A strange Boy" about? Relayer211 wrote: > Does anyone know who the strange boy in Hejira is about? I heard it was about Muller in his younger days. ********JOKE************** Sue n.p. "Smoke and Ashes" Tracy Chapman _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:59:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: language njc i hear you bree! ...btw, 42% of women in the US are 40 or older ... (i know this because i am saving stats for a peice i was asked to write on how wrong it is to assume that it is the young kids buying cds...because the stats say its the older folks...so if anyone has any cool stats (hi brenda!?), send em my way! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:57:10 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: language njc way to go sue. these boys are probably at the age where this will likely be a memorable lesson for them. especially if they have an awful male influence at home. heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Suze Cameron Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:26 PM To: Mags N Brei Cc: kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: language njc o.k., I wasn't going to respond but this is killing me....I say "you throw like a girl" to the elementary boys when they have a really good arm. It ticks them off so when they complain I ask them to catch a pitch from me (former pitcher). When they scream, cry and shake their hand they finally understand. So, do you think this is o.k. or should I stop? Sue n.p. "Dazed and Confused" Led Zep _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:11:13 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: RE: language njc You know Heather, I hope I have some influence with these kids. Alot of times they are so damaged from home life that they won't let me in. There was this one girl in particular, that I kept trying to find the key to. One day, after she had been terribly rude to an adult on staff and referred to my room I asked her if she had ever heard the phrase "you catch more bees with honey...etc". Her quick response was "yeah, and have you ever heard that nice guys finish last?" To which I replied, "Better I finish last than be disqualifed and not able to race at all." She had no comebacks for this. Why is it that many in our generation are more concerned with being their child's friend than parent? When my kids do get upset with me I remind them that I have the unenvious job of preparing them for reality. It just slays me listening to some of our parents and their explanations for how they discipline. Any listers care to expound on this subject? You don't even have to be a parent. I see kids every day at my summer job who just run wild through this huge home improvement store with no supervision whatsoever. It scares the heck out of me! Sue n.p. "The Promise" Tracy Chapman....gosh I love this CD!!! _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:33:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni and relationships Victor Johnson wrote: > from an account of Neil Young's stay in Amsterdam in September 1974 written > by Constant Meijers: > > Graham Nash and I drive out to the Bijlmermeer district to buy Hfl 250 worth > of red le.....(? sorry, can't make this word out). I'm thinking red lebonese..... Who is Constant Meijers? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:36:44 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: language njc Kate Bennett wrote: > i hear you bree! ...btw, 42% of women in the US are 40 or older ... (i know > this because i am saving stats for a peice i was asked to write on how wrong > it is to assume that it is the young kids buying cds...because the stats say > its the older folks... Yeah, there was a story (Billboard?) recently saying that over-45 males were the biggest CD buyers now. A generation that got into the habit of buying music early on, and kept doing it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:45:52 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: joni and relationships >> I'm thinking red lebonese..... > Who is Constant Meijers? further details below: This is a brief account of Neil's stay in Amsterdam, told by Constant Meijers, which was published in 'Muziekkerant Orr', giving an exclusive, albeit shortened, version of his account of Neil Young's stay. It was originally intended to be published as a chapter of 'The Loner - A Biography Of Neil Young'. This article has been painstakingly translated into English by Peter Didderiens.} - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:42:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: language njc i love it sue! >I say "you throw like a girl" to the elementary boys when they have a really good arm. < ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:30:49 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Star Wars NJC Sorry I spelled your name wrong too much work and sun lately ;-) > Because it won't work. "Like hitting a bullet with a bullet" That's not my understanding of the system at all, but maybe I should just leave it at that. I have a suspicion, just based on personal instinct, and not on any insider or other information, that it probably works quite well and may have already been up and running for awhile now. Hope we never have to find out, though. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:21:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: aggressive enrichment NJC Fred wrote: > By the way, I'm really relishing that it's the far right going after > Cheney/Halliburton. Sweet karma. Are you refering to Judicial Watch? If so, it is widely regarding by all directions of the "right" as nothing more than ambulance chasers harvesting contributions from the public to go after the latest political or politicized scandal or issue of the moment. Even back when JW was filing its 800 or so lawsuits against Clinton/Gore, most on the right saw through the obvious scam. Most of its lawsuits ultimately end up nowhere or are dismissed as frivolous by the courts. Meanwhile, those contributions just keep flowing in thanks to the 24 hour a day hunt and publicity for the latest scandal of the moment. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:20:50 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: RE: language/older folks buying music njc On 15 Jul 2002 at 19:59, Kate Bennett wrote: > i hear you bree! ...btw, 42% of women in the US are 40 or older ... (i > know this because i am saving stats for a peice i was asked to write > on how wrong it is to assume that it is the young kids buying > cds...because the stats say its the older folks...so if anyone has any > cool stats (hi brenda!?), send em my way! > Well, what I would say off the top about some of those stats (like the one from the RIAA about 45+ doubling in share) is that you have to be sure that they distinguish gifts and separate them from their purchases. At one point I remember reading that some 50% of the cd's teens (13-17) own are gifts. I would also say that you'd have to separate catalog. If a market segment is buying their 5th copy of "Hotel California" or "Dark Side of the Moon" it doesn't really represent much in the way of segment growth and it will benefit the majors who hold the catalogs more than anyone else. Ultimately older folks will be the ones buying more CD's than anyone else because they will still care about and want the object. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll be buying more music than anyone else. I think it's a troubling case to prove, but I'll let you know if I bump into anything that helps. B n.p.: DJ Cam - "Tek 9" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:36:51 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: language njc On 15 Jul 2002 at 20:36, Randy Remote wrote: > Kate Bennett wrote: > > > i hear you bree! ...btw, 42% of women in the US are 40 or older ... > > (i know this because i am saving stats for a peice i was asked to > > write on how wrong it is to assume that it is the young kids buying > > cds...because the stats say its the older folks... > > Yeah, there was a story (Billboard?) recently saying that over-45 > males were the biggest CD buyers now. A generation that got into the > habit of buying music early on, and kept doing it. Or they have no clue what to buy their 16 year old daughter (cuz well, it's like that with girls and their fathers), so the new Pink or Now! compilation seems like a good bet. Again, I would look to see if the article was based on the RIAA numbers. If you look at the consumer profile for 2001, it gives no indication about the types of sales. It's also misleading because 45+ is one big group, while all the other segments span only five years. http://www.riaa.com/pdf/2001consumerprofile.pdf B n.p.: DJ Cam - "Grand" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #289 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?