From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #288 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 15 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 288 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Show your team colors -njc ["Heather" ] RE: Show Your Team Colours - NJC ["flopit" ] Re: aggressive enrichment NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Show your team colors -njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JM didn't make the cut (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (njc and long) Note to Anne: What I've been doing for my summer vacation. [BigWaltinSF] (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] language njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! ["gene mock" ] Re: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! ["gene mock" ] Re: british invasion? njc [Randy Remote ] Re: aggressive enrichment NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Show Your Team Colours - NJC [Rick and Susan ] Re: (njc)Safety Warning -- Know your droppings! [Rick and Susan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:40:51 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Show your team colors -njc Jimmy wrote: they have already been fitted for a stunning latex "sailor suit" designed by Issey Miyake :~) for a moment i thought you wrote "bathing suit" ... can you imagine a Miyake bathing suit?? with all the material, it would probably be made so that it would automatically inflate if you were in danger of drowning. heather np: on a beautiful sunday morning ... a chain saw. we call our neighbor "the chain saw nazi". he has taken down nearly 30 trees. it's awful. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:20:31 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: RE: Show Your Team Colours - NJC Hi >>>>>>>>>rick wrote > Cycling: US Postal Service, bringing Lance Armstrong closer to his fourth > successive Tour de France victory (in the most difficult and demanding > sporting event in the world.) uh - shouldnt that be the "Tour De Lance"?? Ron NP-Timbuk3-A Hundred Lovers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:27:08 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: aggressive enrichment NJC "kakki" writes: >Oh, but really Harken and Enron are all so old news now that the grand >booty of Halliburton is shining on the horizon. Ooo, maybe they can take down >both the President and the Vice President now with one stone!! Woo hoo! Oh, in my fondest dreams ... By the way, I'm really relishing that it's the far right going after Cheney/Halliburton. Sweet karma. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:33:16 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Show your team colors -njc < Subject: Re: JM didn't make the cut (njc) a great original concept, loved this! maybe they should have an awards ceremony similar to this...oh, i forgot i guess that would be the grammy's...;~) hahaha ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:37:58 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc and long) Note to Anne: What I've been doing for my summer vacation. In a message dated 7/13/02 12:50:23 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Hey, Walt. I wish you lots of love and healing. Too bad about the evil inlaws - let's hope there really is a karma - they sound truly nasty. >> Thanks, Catherine -- Yeah, and if karma fails, I'll have to get more "proactive" and head to Paz's territory to get a voodoo doll, or dolls. Hey, Paz, aside from that kitschy place on Bourbon near Canal Street (Madame Somebody's Something), there must be a better practitioner that you know of somewhere in Nawlins... Not that I'd ever go over to the dark side -- it's just a backup -- the pin-sticking could be... therapy, yeah, that's the ticket! Soothed by the thought, Thanks, guys, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:46:56 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! Public Safety Alert >California State Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, >fishermen and golfers to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears >while in the Yosemite and Mammoth areas. They advise people to wear >noise-producing devices such as little bells on their clothing to alert but >not startle the bear unexpectedly. They also advise carrying pepper spray in >case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch for fresh >signs of bear activity and know the difference between black bear and >grizzly bear droppings. Black bear droppings are smaller and contain berries >and possibly squirrel fur. Grizzly bear droppings have little bells in them >and smell like pepper spray. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:11:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: language njc >>It is unfortunate, but probably not coincidental, that the very worst thing you can call a man or a women refers to the sexual organs of a woman.<< on a similar but less crude note...is the kind of thing that i guess coaches used to say to their teams such as "throws like a girl" or "runs like a girl". i thought this kind of talk was pretty outmoded (publically at least) until i heard david letterman say something along those lines recently...& it really bugged me...especially now when women's sports are finally getting the accolades they deserve... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:12:11 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! thanks, but there hasn't been a wild sighting of a grizzly in california for years. incidentally, black bears can climb trees and run up to 15mph. pepper spray? i don't think so. years and years ago backpacker magazine did a study and found out if you have an attacking bear all pepper spray does is piss the bear off more. there's a wealth of information on what you should or should not do around bears on the net. i hope this doesn't deter anyone from enjoying the outdoors. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! > Public Safety Alert > >California State Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, > >fishermen and golfers to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears > >while in the Yosemite and Mammoth areas. They advise people to wear > >noise-producing devices such as little bells on their clothing to alert but > >not startle the bear unexpectedly. They also advise carrying pepper spray in > >case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch for fresh > >signs of bear activity and know the difference between black bear and > >grizzly bear droppings. Black bear droppings are smaller and contain berries > >and possibly squirrel fur. Grizzly bear droppings have little bells in them > >and smell like pepper spray. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:24:06 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: bunny advice njc I bought Anastasia a black Brittannia Petite bunny yesterday. Any JMDLer's knowledgeable about these critters? She's so cute! Just spent an hour trying to get her back in her cage after an hour long exercise session. Wore me out and she gave me a few love taps to boot LOL!. Bunny will be kept indoors. Caged for now. Been feeding her timothy grass and minimal pellet feed. Oh and plenty of water. rose in nj keeping bunny cool ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:25:25 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! In a message dated 7/14/02 1:13:32 PM, gmock@psyber.com writes: << thanks, but there hasn't been a wild sighting of a grizzly in california for years. incidentally, black bears can climb trees and run up to 15mph. pepper spray? i don't think so. years and years ago backpacker magazine did a study and found out if you have an attacking bear all pepper spray does is piss the bear off more. >> Um, yeah, no grizzly's in CA since the '20's, I think -- that's what tipped me off that it was a joke, but good point -- somebody might take it seriously. Probably better to throw the bell(s) at the bear and pepper-spray yourself. The bell might puzzle or distract the bear, and your screaming and writhing will probably put him/her off further. Best to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:16:41 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: bunny advice njc Hello, my wife got this discarded "easter" bunny about 3 years ago. i always thought bunnies were retarded but was amazed to find out it can listen to basic commands like a dog. we started out with a box and now have him in a large 4'x4' cage and let him out frequently to run around the house. the cat and dogs have learned to accept him. like any pet the key is a lot of attention and keep the cage clean. we're feeding ours the same as you. i hope you enjoy anastasia. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: bunny advice njc > I bought Anastasia a black Brittannia Petite bunny yesterday. Any JMDLer's > knowledgeable about these critters? She's so cute! > Just spent an hour trying to get her back in her cage after an hour long > exercise session. Wore me out and she gave me a few love taps to boot LOL!. > Bunny will be kept indoors. Caged for now. Been feeding her timothy grass and > minimal pellet feed. Oh and plenty of water. > > rose in nj > keeping bunny cool ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:18:06 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! walt, like your humor. hell, i'm ready to do that w/relatives and friends. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: Re: (njc)Saftey Warning -- Know your droppings! > > In a message dated 7/14/02 1:13:32 PM, gmock@psyber.com writes: > > << thanks, but there hasn't been a wild sighting of a grizzly in california > for > > years. incidentally, black bears can climb trees and run up to 15mph. > > pepper spray? i don't think so. years and years ago backpacker magazine > > did a study and found out if you have an attacking bear all pepper spray > > does is piss the bear off more. >> > > Um, yeah, no grizzly's in CA since the '20's, I think -- that's what tipped > me off that it was a joke, but good point -- somebody might take it > seriously. Probably better to throw the bell(s) at the bear and pepper-spray > yourself. The bell might puzzle or distract the bear, and your screaming and > writhing will probably put him/her off further. > > Best to all, > > Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:23:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Star Wars NJC kakki wrote: > Ransy wrote: > > > While research roots may reach into the 1970's, it was, of course > > Reagan who aggressively lobbied for this multimillion dollar > > boondoggle. > > Why is it a boondoggle? It's a boondoggle because the zillions will benefit the defense industry, but not make us any safer > Isn't it better to have a non-nuclear defensive > shield in place than a nuclear one which was the defensive shield option set > up prior to that time? We will still have the nukes. > The two superpowers at the time were both developing > it. If Johnny across the street jumped off the roof, would you? > > > >And even though Bush is busy pushing the plan > > now, it was Clinton who took it out of mothballs and revived it. > > In the debates Gore was in favor of it, too. > > Well, we've all invested our taxpayer dollars in it for over thirty years so > why not get it up and running rather than mothball it? Because it won't work. "Like hitting a bullet with a bullet" If Bush was serious about any of this, he wouldn't be shredding the non-proliferation treaties. Ransy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:25:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: british invasion? njc Brenda wrote: > -------------------------------------------- > "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 maybe he meant webradio? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:32:51 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: aggressive enrichment NJC So Clinton/Bore gave 650 million in bank loans to Enron. So the top two recipients of Enron PAC money (c'mon, can't we call them what they are-payoffs?) were Democrats. You're only making my point, Kakki, that the system as it stands is completely corrupted by moneyed interests, and there is very little difference between the two parties. kakki wrote: > Here's some links about Clinton/Gore and the Democrats are Enron > for your perusal (and which appear to be from both leftist and "mainstream" > media) > > http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020408&c=1&s=greider > > http://www.unionleader.com/articles_show.html?article=10765 > > http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_7142.html > > http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_cong_house.asp > (kakki said) It's amazing to me that you two are so quick to make accusations yet apparently won't even read the link I posted from the National Review. http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york071002.asp I have been traveling for 3 days, so I have only now had a chance to read this. I didn't find it factual so much as dismissive and apologist. Democrats are asking Bush to release all of the records regarding the Harken affair. The article says, hey MANY are already available, so like Bush says, there is no 'there' there. Okay, if you say so. The article says Harken wanted Bush on their team because of his connections and his extensive knowledge of the oil and gas business. This despite the fact that he apparently was the only one in Texas who couldn't find any oil, and had not made any money doing so (not doing so?). Doesn't make sense. Unless connections = political grace, as in, your dad was president and all his friends are big oil guys. The article goes on to ask how Bush could have known about Harken's financial status because, although he was on the board, he was not on the executive board, so he USUALLY did not get the Weekly Flash Reports. Huh? If they said 'besides, he was in the mountains of Montana without a phone', I suppose this line of reasoning would make sense. The article goes on to say that even though it is illegal not to file two required forms within a specified period of time to report sale of your stock, and even though Bush did not file one of them for several months after the due date, it was the less important of the two, therefore it's cool, and Bush's statement that, uh, I never did figure out why that happened should be good enough. Fuzzy logic at best. The article also brings up the question of whether Bush might be implicated in insider trading regarding a possible sleight-of- hand maneuver by Harken and it's subsidiary Aloha Petroleum to hide 10 mil $ which, if true, would have enhanced Bush's personal wealth considerably. There is not enough public evidence to really know, the article says, then adds that, from what IS known, there's no reason to suspect anything fishy. Again, in my mind, I see one of Spock's eyebrows raising. Finally, the article says that although complete SEC documentation has not been made public (it's being blocked by the prez BTW) "it would not, in all likelihood, change the basic story." I'm not saying there is substance to the allegations. I do not deny that this may be a partisan attack. But articles such as this do little or nothing to clear up the issue. I hope folks will check out the link Kate sent regarding Cheney- (the most twisted looking individual I have ever seen, and I'm including Nixon). http://www.moveon.org/moveonbulletin/bulletin1.html CHENEY IN NUMBERS Cheney's 2000 income from Halliburton: $36,086,635 Increase in government contracts while Cheney led Halliburton: 91% Minimum size of "accounting irregularity" that occurred while Cheney was CEO: $100,000,000 (One hundred MILLION dollars) Number of the seven official US "State Sponsors of Terror" that Halliburton contracted with: 2 out of 7 Pages of Energy Plan documents Cheney refused to give congressional investigators: 13,500 Amount energy companies gave the Bush/Cheney presidential campaign: $1,800,000 RR Fun fact: Did you know that when the airports were locked down after 9/11, the bin laden family was in the US negotiating oil business, and Bush lifted the flight lockdown for them and for them only, so they could flee the country? The FBI, reportedly, was furious. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:49:37 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: Show Your Team Colours - NJC on 7/14/02 7:20 PM, flopit at flopit@mweb.co.za wrote: > uh - shouldnt that be the "Tour De Lance"?? It was shown yesterday that he is vulnerable to the dangers of the peleton. I love it though that his victories have always been so dramatic unlike the five by Miguel Indurain which were very ho-hum. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:16:38 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: (njc)Safety Warning -- Know your droppings! on 7/14/02 1:25 PM, BigWaltinSF@aol.com at BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: >Probably better to throw the bell(s) at the bear and pepper-spray > yourself. The bell might puzzle or distract the bear, and your screaming and > writhing will probably put him/her off further. The bells are really just intended to warn the bear that there is something coming so you don't suddenly round a corner and surprise it. But in the forest they can sound strangely like a bird singing or squirrel complaining. And it's common knowledge that you pepper spray the person beside you and escape while the bear is occupied eating them. Ranger (for real) Rick P.S. Here's a link to a USFS page about the real use of bear spray http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/b-d/bear_spray.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:52:09 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC - Julia Fordham review Patti Always on the cutting edge of technology you are. I use to endorse Godin guitars and then sold it to a local artist that really wanted it and I was tired of it so I did. I am waiting the arrival of my new Parker with the RMC Piezo Pick Ups installed in it to control my VG-8. I am so psyched. Hope everyone on the list is well and I am trying to catch up on the list after just getting back from vacation in Florida (where I intended on getting together with the evil Jimmy Stewart, but alas the family kept me way to busy). Now I need a vacation from my vacation (AGAIN!). Best Paz on 7/4/02 8:24 AM, Patti Haskins at phaskins@swbell.net wrote: > Hi all, > Patti in Dallas here temporarily out of lurkdom. I saw Julia's Dallas > show Tuesday night, front row no less. What a treat. Just an amazing > voice and funny personality. I loved the show. And my husband was > pleased to see that her guitar player, Mark Goldenberg, was playing a > new Godin Multiac Jazz guitar. My husband reps the Godin/Seagull line in > Texas. We talked to Mark and Robin, the road manager, after the show. > They were really nice guys. Julia was signing autographs for the entire > audience it seemed. There was always a line and she was always smiling. > Here's the link to the Dallas Morning News review: > http://www.dallasnews.com/entertainment/overnight/stories/070402dnovejulia.ceb > 24.html > > Patti ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:47:01 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Meeting in Paris. Have a safe and wonderful trip you guys. Freda and I had a wonderful time in Paris and Monaco last year (YOU KNOW Prince Albert invited us over for a few days). Hope you have wonderful times there together! Best Michael on 7/8/02 3:31 PM, johnirving at johnirving@tbcnet.com wrote: > Just a bit more info if anyone wants to hook up with Richard and me in > Paris for a Joni get together... > > We (John Calimee/ Rich Rice) are staying at the Hotel Paris France, 72 > rue de Turbigo, tel 011-33-1-42-78-00-04. Arriving on Saturday July 20th > and leaving on the 24th. > > If you want to send me an email, use one of the following email > addresses. They are more accessable for me when I'm away: > > CalsArtWorld@hotmail.com > > CalIrving@Yahoo.com > > > > Hope to meet more Joni Fans there. Somehow, I think it would be perfect > to run into Ranger Rick there. Whaddaya say Rick? > > j. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #288 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?