From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #283 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 283 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 10 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: aggressive accounting NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: aggressive accounting NJC ["kakki" ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [dsk ] Re: aggressive accounting NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [colin ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [colin ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [colin ] Re: Clouds and Both Sides [Relayer211@aol.com] Two Joni Moments in New Zealand! ["hell" ] Re: new to list, cd problems? njc i guess [Ken ] Re: "I am preachin' love, I am . . " njc [Jerry Notaro ] Quick poll [Lori in MD ] Re: "Passion Play", two kinds of JC! [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: aggressive accounting NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: aggressive accounting NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: new to list, cd problems? [Mary Casey ] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Leslie! and Vince [Alison E ] RE: new to list, cd problems? - njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: new to list, cd problems? - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: new to list, cd problems? - njc [Mary Casey ] Re: aggressive accounting NJC ["kakki" ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [dsk ] Re: extremely rude link NJC [dsk ] Re: aggressive accounting NJC ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:09:44 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 10 1983: Joni performs at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:19:00 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Kakki said >>I'm sure a large majority of the U.S. has also benefited from the "aggressive accounting" in their work retirement plans. Now some will also perhaps pay for it a bit.<< Personally I'm not sure about 'a large majority' having benefited, but let's not talk about the numbers. I am sure many people have indeed benefited. My question is; 'Is this fair?' Kakki's second point is that now some of these people will perhaps pay for these practices, and my second question is the same as the first; 'Is this fair?' Should not the people who invest their futures in these companies (and the people who allow other 'experts' to handle their money) have the right to correct financial information about where their money is going? Generally speaking (and I stress generally although I include in this category Bush's alleged wrongdoing) I am of the opinion that the more investigations the better. Should we have accepted the words of the Warren Commission as gospel or was it better to have the second investigation which proved there was a conspiracy, or at least that Lee Harvey Oswald was not acting alone or was a lone gunman? The Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four are just two cases in Britain where there were many appeals and retrials and reinvestigations which backed up the original verdicts, only to be overturned when the weight of public opinion become overwhelming. Look at the cases in other countries, including the US, I'm sure there must be many too, such as mumia abu-jamal or (fill in your own favourite here). History has too many examples of the classic excuse: "Sometimes it's better for the good of the country to save the powerful and let the weak swing". I say if there needs to be another investigation (not into Bush, I'm speaking generally here) because the first or second ones were flawed, then let's have another one. Or let's decide to have clean, complete, competent investigations the first time around. Kakki finished by saying: >>It's dismal that some strayed so far from their primary responsibility (and took down many innocent and ethical co-workers' livelihood in the process).<< Although I'm not a lawyer, I would say that 'criminal' is a better word than 'dismal' for what has happened and still happens, but I agree with the sentiment. Mike in Barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:51:14 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Mike wrote: >Personally I'm not sure about 'a large majority' having benefited, but let's not talk about the numbers. >I am sure many people have indeed benefited. My question is; 'Is this fair?' A large majority of employed people in the U.S. receive, as one of their many job benefits, the opportunity to invest in a retirement plan. Five places I've worked in the past 25 years have all offered similar plans where you have a percentage of income deducted out of each paycheck and the employer either contributes a percentage of that amount and/or contributes a percentage of company profits. The employee then has a number of options of where to invest these contributions - anywhere from a safe money market account or government bonds (which pay the lowest returns - around 3%) to the more speculative investments in stocks, start-up companies, etc. The more speculative investments pay a much larger return (sometimes up to 20%) but are also more risky (in a bad quarter one could lose 20%). I personally spread my investments out over both safe and more risky funds. I'm not sure what you mean by asking "is that fair?" My point was that a large majority of people in the U.S. are in these funds and would naturally have earned high returns for a period of time when everyone thought or gave the opinion that things were "booming." >Kakki's second point is that now some of these people will perhaps pay for these practices, and my >second question is the same as the first; 'Is this fair?' A lot of us are paying for it because we lost money in those accounts which held stock in companies whose financial statements were ultimately false or inflated. I've lost money but it was offset a lot by my other "safe" investment accounts. >Should not the people who invest their futures in these companies (and the people who allow other >'experts' to handle their money) have the right to correct financial information about where their >money is going? ABSOLUTELY. >Generally speaking (and I stress generally although I include in this category Bush's alleged >wrongdoing) I am of the opinion that the more investigations the better. >Should we have accepted the words of the Warren Commission as gospel or was it better to have >the second investigation which proved there was a conspiracy, or at least that Lee Harvey Oswald >was not acting alone or was a lone gunman? No, you cannot compare a criminal act of murder to someone being questioned about a minor stock sale issue which was already investigated twice by the SEC and dismissed. I worked on a stock violation case involving a wealthy and famous family 12 years ago under that same SEC and my experience of them was that they were hardcore and did not play around at all. People shouldn't waste the system's time and dime to keep re-trying and re-trying minor junk just to wishfully hope (generally) for a politically based different outcome. >Although I'm not a lawyer, I would say that 'criminal' is a better word than 'dismal' for what has >happened and still happens, but I agree with the sentiment. I've said for 20 years that corporate, accounting and stock dealer malfeasance is criminal and I think those who are convicted should go to jail for a long time. My use of the word "dismal" today stems from my sadness at hearing of so many personal stories lately of the innocent employees of these corporations and accounting firms who, after years of being conscientious and ethical, are losing everything they worked for because of a few rotten eggs in their midst. I think it is really a tragedy that those people are now being thrown out on the street because of a few who cared nothing about anyone else but themselves. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:00:48 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > > I still have the fears of an Indian woman I met at a party. She's over here > on a visa while her husband learned American techniques for hand surgery and > she was worried about being a foreigner among the newly militaristic > Americans. I can only imagine what visiting Musilims must feel like in NYC. > Just in New York City? One of the things I like so much about this city is that people from every culture and religion and race and sexual orientation live and work closely together, usually peacefully, even now. It's not a tension- or racism-free place by any means, but I think a Muslim would be safer here than in many other smaller places in the U.S. where there's not such a mix of people and it could more easily become the majority white people versus a few "others". Or so I imagine anyway. Debra Shea, NYC "hey, no dissing my city" advocate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:43:20 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Kakki said >> I've said for 20 years that corporate, accounting and stock dealer malfeasance is criminal and I think those who are convicted should go to jail for a long time. My use of the word "dismal" today stems from my sadness at hearing of so many personal stories lately of the innocent employees of these corporations and accounting firms who, after years of being conscientious and ethical, are losing everything they worked for because of a few rotten eggs in their midst.<< I accept your use of 'dismal' and your explanation of why you used it. My comment about such practices being, in my opinion, criminal was just to state my opinion, not to undermine your chosen adjective. I agree that what's been happening is a tragedy. My question; 'is that fair?' refers to the lack of correct financial information that for some people lined their pockets and for some people ripped off their future. Your use of 'Absolutely' in response to my restating of the original question makes clear that we think the same on this matter. My problem with this lack of financial clarity is NOT that, to take your personal case as an example, some people have earned a lot/a little in some areas of investments and lost a lot/a little in others, i.e. taking the rough with the smooth, and generally breaking even. I am concerned about the different effects and results pertaining to those with the nous, or the smart advisors, or the insider connections to invest and cash-in at the right time, and who are generally happy with the way the system has worked for them, and those pertaining to the people in the mutual funds and pensions who were not privy to insider deals and therefore not able to cash in their chips before the casino roof fell in. My question "is it fair?" was directed at this rich/poor, insider/outsider divide, although it could arguably be applied to people who gained a lot of money through the artificial buoyancy of the market and who now, after suffering a little, or a lot, are saying that the system needs changing. >> you cannot compare a criminal act of murder to someone being questioned about a minor stock sale issue which was already investigated twice by the SEC and dismissed.<< Perhaps not, but I was trying to make the point that not all investigations are handled well and in the interests of justice. You say that the SEC you worked with seemed to be 'hardcore' and I accept that, but it is obvious that there are serious deficiencies in the financial regulation system, apart from any further, hypothetical Bush-related investigations. >> People shouldn't waste the system's time and dime to keep re-trying and re-trying minor junk just to wishfully hope (generally) for a politically based different outcome.<< Here I think you treat me unfairly. My motivation is not to get a different politically-based outcome to any hypothetical Bush investigation, but to express my wish that investigations in general (be they Police or SEC or whatever) be carried out on the basis of truth, independence, justice and equity, and in public. Mike in Barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:02:54 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC > They were mistaken for Arabs and > then attacked and badly beaten by a mob in London. > you are right. we have a problem here with racism. not just because of the 11/9 excuse but due to the refugee situation. appalling. Not that we have refugees but that we have ignorant bullies who use them as an excuse to act out. We have our KKK equivalents. variousc ities have high Asian populations and there is trouble in those bewtween them and the racists. Riots etc. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:12:08 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Mags N Brei wrote: > --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > > Too true, Colin. Everyone heals at their own pace, and > > the pace of society dictates that we "snap out of it," > > the moment our suffering becomes inconvenient. > > Eventually "your heart gets up to go," (quoting Patty > > Larkin...), but only when it's ready to. Less than a > > year just doesn't seem like enough time for much of > > anything to heal. > > > > for some people, i believe that it is pretty much impossible to heal > completely, try as one might, from something so hurtful. You are right. it isn't possible. It gets less and easier to handle. the bad times get further apart and less excruciating, but it never goes away. > > > > sometimes i find myself writing, words gush like a dam > burst wide open, thoughts and feelings fly...and once i hit that send > button, i think omg what have i done now and then it is too late, it is > gone. it is in my nature to be wide open and that is just what i tend > to do. ditto. I certainly understand that one. there is plenty I have written, I regret! > > > what am i getting at here. sometimes, when ive written something to the > list, i have also experienced a *thud* as it were. no response to > anything ive said. and i know others have felt this. they have told me > so. and i think what??? why? and that would just feed into my original > omg sentiment ... making me want to go back into lurk mode and just > keep my mouth shut. yes i get this. particulalry if what one has written was personal. It doesn't bother me when it is Joni related. No one has ever repsonded to those so i don't write them. I have nothing worth contributing about Joni or her work. I remeber well, a few years ago, writing out a long article about Joni in one of our broadsheet papers. I had sent 3 emails with about 3 more to go(and no typing errors) and not one person even commented.....weird or what? > and Colin, I agree wholeheartedly, I think that September 11th has > affected us deeply. > > and btw, Colin, 21 years is a big deal. Thank you Mags. > > btw I was off list for a while so don't know what this 'only 8 days to go' is about and don't want to guess! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:17:02 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC gene mock wrote: > yeah colin, there may come a time when you'll wonder who they're really > protecting. I don't think it is me! > 21 good years do seem to past quickly doesn't it. yes it does. and the odler one gets it goes by even more quickly. It seem to me I turned 40 last Xmas but this Xmas I am 44....... > > take care gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "colin" > To: "_JMDL" > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC > > > L in MD wrote: > > > > > Kakki wrote: > > > > > > > I was on Catalina island a few weeks ago and one whizzed right > > > > over Two Harbors where I was staying one night at about > > > > midnight - jumped me right out of my seat > > > > > > > I don't know if ironic is the right word or not: > > > > where I live, we are surrounded by several USA air bases. The sound of > those > > jets is always with us. Long before 11/9. fast, low and loud. even the > dogs > > look. The general consesus of the comments I have heard is not about > safety but > > about threat, a frequent reminder that our 'peace' is fragile and that > another > > country has it's weapons of mass destruction on our doorstep. > > The sight and noise of them forces me to look-with a mixture of awe and > dread. > > Far from feeling protected, we know it makes us a target. This peaceful > > countryside has an almighty power hidden in it's bosom and it isn't in > our > > control and it will be used one day by people far far away from here. > > > > - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:24:28 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds and Both Sides Yes, I think "Clouds" is very underrated. Think of all the great songs, and how beautiful Join's voice was at that point.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:31:13 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Two Joni Moments in New Zealand! Kerry and I went to see Diana Krall and the Auckland Philharmonia in concert tonight. She was amazing (as expected), and in fine voice. We were hoping to hear A Case of You, but doubted very much that she'd play it, since (from what I've heard) she didn't seem to perform it on her recent tour of the US. BUT....... the lights dimmed, and one sole spotlight hit centre-stage. During her piano introduction, we weren't sure if it was or not, then....... "Just before our love got lost......" Wow! It was slightly different than her version for the Joni Tribute, but just as wonderful. And it was incredible to see and hear her perform it live! And just to make the night even better, when the lights went up for everyone to leave, Both Sides Now (from BSN) started playing over the sound system - two Joni-hits in one night, and in NZ! Who'd have thought it! Maybe we're a little more civilised than I thought! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:27:25 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? njc i guess The "Ronald Raygun" by Sony has been known to have this problem. Great for cooking poached eggs though - just set it to shuffle mode. Catherine McKay wrote: > >Welcome, Mary. This problem you describe has never >happened to me. I wonder if the laser in your CD >player has been set to kill, rather than just stun? >Seriously though, if this has happened so many times, >and you're always using the same CD player, I'd get >that checked out - or chuck it and get a new one. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:37:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "I am preachin' love, I am . . " njc Catherine McKay wrote: > --- mack watson-bush > wrote: > > Rod Steiger. The epitome of fine acting. Loved > > him. Sad to see him go. > > So special and unique. All those performances. > > Pore Judd is daid. Pore Judd Fry is daid. > > Jeez, that man was in a LOT of movies - he made an > excellent bad guy. His portrayal of The Pawnbroker remains one of the screen's finest. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:41:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: re: (no subject) harry's house Patrick wrote: <> << and she says something like...schools of yellow taxis...which i thought was a great lyric.>> "Yellow schools of taxi fishes", and yes it is a great lyric along with many good lines in the song << anyway, i guess it made me think that she was singing about selling out for the take home pay...only not really cause she can't sustain a lifetime waiting home for him...and that made me think about joni having a constant dual thing going with wanting to be the home body family person but ultimately seeking refuge of the road.>> In my opinion, for the past couple of years I think Joni wants to be more of the home body person (she even got a dog). Still, it's nice to think she might have a little refuge in her............start touring JONI Good to see you posting again Pat!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:43:01 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: CD Problems Hi Mary, I agree with Jim, it's either scratches or your player in your case. Nevertheless, ever since CDs became available, I always heard they would eventually wear out. At the time people said the life expectancy was 10 years. So far I've had 1 CD wear out: it's a bootleg I played 1-2 times before and which won't play anymore. I've tried playing it on 3 different players to no avail. It's just dead. I've also compared an official CD which is about 15 years old with a new pressing and the new one is much better. The new pressing has NOT been remastered, and it's NOT a HDCD either, so they should be the same but they're not. So, perhaps we should all start making copies of our CDs? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Quick poll No njc tag on purpose (please forgive me if you're offended) ... How many JMDLers have served in the military? (Active duty, reserve, guard, whatever.) Please respond to me privately. Thanks! Lori in MD ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:53:05 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: "Passion Play", two kinds of JC! Thanks for your analysis of Passion Play! It was very helpful. One thing I really like is Joni's rhetorical question, "Who are you going to get to do the dirty work, when all the slaves are free?" I think it is a very good question she asks. If everyone were liberated and treated as worthy human beings, who would do the dirty work? I free-associate that question with "enter the multitudes, in Exxon Blue and Radiation Rose." If all the slaves were free, who would want to work on the oil rigs and in the nuclear plants? Enter the robots, I guess. Thanks again, Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:32:26 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC kakki wrote: > Randy wrote: > > > I can pretty much guarantee you that, should this become a > > big national issue > > Why should it? You mean, if our president has a criminal past, why should we make an issue of it? I guess my quick and easy response to your analysis of the question is that I have a fundamentally different view of the whole question. I don't see Enron as some abberation, I see it as the tip of the iceberg. They just got caught, that's all. They were conducting business as usual. We have a caste system, and the billionaire corporations are generally above the law. Enron executives won't go to jail. They'll get to keep their money. A guy robbing a liquor store will have to pay for his crime (as he/she should). The notion that a 'get tough' speech by Mr. Bush or the hopes that the SEC is really on the job preventing this stuff does not reassure me, anymore than watching the machinery of massive destruction flying over me, nukes strapped to their bellies. I have to remind myself that our 'protectors' were warned repeatedly that something like 9/11 could happen, and they couldn't (or wouldn't) stop it. They were aced by psychos with box cutters. No, I am not reassured. I remind myself that the only thing that may have stopped a jet from slamming into the White House was a group of brave citizens. There you have it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:00:46 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Randy writes: << I have to remind myself that our 'protectors' were warned repeatedly that something like 9/11 could happen, and they couldn't (or wouldn't) stop it. >> Remember what Bush and company were pushing for before 9/11? The damned missile defense shield, which would bring huge profits to their whole gang. I recall talking with friends LAST AUGUST and saying that I felt more of a threat from terrorism than from some country lobbing a bomb at us . . . and I am not exactly an expert in international relations. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:10:41 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? Hi, Thank you for the welcome. You know, it's strange, only my Joni cds have this problem. Actually, it's only the old ones (on Asylum). I play all of my cds on 4 different cd players and this never happens to the others. It's true, I probably play the Joni cds more...but still. They start to sound kind of "crackly" or "static" Oh well, thanks for all of the info. You sure know your stuff, eh? I can't think of any other artist who I would be more happy to buy replacement cds of. Just happy to hear her. Mary NP: Meshell Ndegeocello- Bitter Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Hi Mary, > Welcome to the Joni list! I really admire your taste > in music. > > About those CDs with pinholes: A few pinholes don't > hurt anything and the CD players should "track" right > through them. If the pinholes are no wider than say, > the width of a house key, the player will ignore them. > > > (There is error correction built-in. The data is > recorded several times, so the chip usually "knows" in > advance what the data should be there and it is only > looking for *confirmation*. If it doesn't get the > confirmation due to a pinhole, the electronic chip > reconstructs the data from memory. If it doesn't have > an exact replica, it uses a best guess. If it can't > guess, you get a silence or a skipping sound.) > > If you are hearing a problem, like silences, look at > the non-label side of the CD. If it's all scratched > up, it's likely that rough handling has caused the > silences. If your CDs are not scratched, it's likely > the CD player itself is dying an inelegant, > embarrassing death. > > It's very unlikely that you are constantly buying CDs > that rot. It's very rare so the chances that it keeps > happening to any one person is vanishingly small. > > In short, if they sound fine, don't worry about them. > If they don't sound fine and they're not scratched, > its probably the player. > > Only if you live in a tropical rain forest with 100 > degree (F) and 100% humidity, it's possible that your > CDs are rotting. > > Jim > > ps, these aren't CD-Rs, made as copies are they? If > so, don't store them in sunshine. The pigment won't > last. > > --- Mary Casey wrote: > > (I'm on my > > 4th Court & Spark). When I hold the cd up to the > > light it has little > > pinholes in it. > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Leslie! and Vince a late but VERY SINCERE HAPPY FRIGGIN' BIRTHDAY to Vince, our esteemed rev, (BIG 50! whoo hoo!) and Leslie Mixon, seemingly absent but not forgotten. i hope you both had lovely days, and much love surrounding you. alison e. in slc. np: all things considered - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > Leslie Mixon > (the Rev0 Vince Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:59:15 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: new to list, cd problems? - njc hey mary, i don't post much, but i had to chip in: >NP: Meshell Ndegeocello- Bitter NICE!!! i'm currently listening to her 'cookie', which is a mixed bag, but i think bitter is one of my top ten albums of the last ten years. just so good. also, someone posted a theory that columbia house and bmg produce substandard cds. the record clubs do have there own manufacturing licenses and plants, and they try to cut costs there. i was member of bmg classical for a while and had no probs. but columbia house is shite shite shite. i've never belonged since the cd era, but i've been given columbia house cds and they seem to be always skipping etc. i did belong during the cassette era. a couple of years ago i purged my 500-piece cassette collection of tapes that don't play properly, and you know what? 28 of 30 were columbia house. it's unconscionable. welcome. patrick np - meshell - GOD.FEAR.MONEY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:59:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: homeland security hoax, NJC No, she was uncomfortable as a foreigner in Louisville, Kentucky. But like a good intellectual, she got dressed up and went to a cocktail party and *discussed* with Americans about being uncomfortable in America. :) BTW, I wasn't dissing New York. I was born on the south shore of L.I. and have many cousins, one uncle and a beloved aunt there. Wish I could travel more as I've never "done" the city's museums and landmarks. npimh: "New York State Of Mind" by my fellow Long Islander, fellow former angry young man, and possibly the luckiest man in the dating world, Billy Joel. She asked HIM for a date. Sheesh. I think the same thing happened with David Copperfield being chased by a uber-model. Meanwhile, I've grown very old indeed waiting for Twiggy or Raquel Welch to call...... :) Remember them? :) I'm giving them another 10 years, then I'm cutting them off! Lamadoo ps Okay, maybe 20. ppss, Would Julia Stiles, Jennifer Lopez and especially Penelope Cruz please contact me, off-list? I have something for each of you. Thanks for the bandwidth, Les. > From: dsk [mailto:dsk11@bellatlantic.net] > Just in New York City? One of the things I like so much about this city > is that people from every culture and religion and race and sexual > orientation live and work closely together, usually peacefully, even > now. It's not a tension- or racism-free place by any means, but I think > a Muslim would be safer here than in many other smaller places in the > U.S. where there's not such a mix of people and it could more easily > become the majority white people versus a few "others". Or so I > imagine anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:31:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: extremely rude link NJC http://b3ta.com/fish/ the above is an audio visual. it uses lots of rude words so if you are likely to be offended don't go there. these fish ornaments have become very popular for some unfathomable reason. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:15:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? - njc < Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? - njc I would even venture to say that Bitter is one of my top 10 of all time I've been listening to Cookie also, and while I do think it is a good project, there is a magical quality to Bitter (for me). I feel the same way about Hejira Mary NP: Girl Bros.- Wendy & Lisa SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:56:06 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Randy asked: > You mean, if our president has a criminal past, why should we > make an issue of it? You are assuming or wishing he has a criminal past as your premise out the gate. If indeed he did, he never ever would have gotten as far as he has in any venture of his life. You know that his political opponents would have found it out and screamed it from the rooftops years ago. I guess this ties in because he political opponents were the ones who were ranting about the deal with Harken way back when. There was a full and extensive investigation and he was found to have committed no wrongdoing, much less anything criminal. I actually looked around quite a bot to find a current news article which could explain the history of this Harken issue objectively and without political bias and found one at National Review online (yes it is conservative but also known for being objective and tediously factual to the point of boredom). If you are interested here is the link http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york071002.asp It may be a difficult read because it is not written in quick, hyperbolic sound bite style but rather is almost like a legal brief, which I admit I even had a hard time getting through. However, If you are really interested in the facts you might pore through it. The conncluding statement of the article is arguably biased "Even so, it's probably safe to expect the president's opponents to keep hammering away on the Harken issue. Just because it's never worked before doesn't mean they'll stop trying." Or one might say it is just commonly observable fact. > I don't see Enron as some abberation, I see it as the > tip of the iceberg. They just got caught, that's all. They were > conducting business as usual. Of course it is not some aberration - such situations have been going on in one form or another since the beginning of time. Greed is timeless. What is preposterous is to somehow try to link it to Bush. The shady dealings that set up the Enron debacle took place during the prior administration as everyone knows. Where was the prior administrations Justice Dept. and SEC during that time? It was laughable that the political opponents who rushed to try to slime Bush with Enron were suddenly silent after it was revealed through public records that they themselves owned thousands of dollars in Enron stock and had received hundreds of thousands of dollars in political contributions from Enron. The gall and venality of those who try to foist this junk on public opinion is so transparent to most people. These are the same opponents who gave Clinton a pass on everything, even while he was brazenly violating several laws right in front of our faces. Setting aside the perjury offense let's take one example of many - Clinton and Gore openly getting millions of dollars in campaign money from Chinese government representatives (in exchange for what?). Maybe many don't know this but that is a federal offense. I once worked on a case defending a Korean national who the feds were ready to send to prison because he gave a couple hundred dollars to a Korean-American candidate running in a local election in California.. >Enron executives won't go to jail. They'll get to keep their money. It's way too early to assume that. You should rather be hoping that they do pay and perhaps writing those in government expressing your opinion. > A guy robbing a liquor store will have to pay for his crime (as he/she should). A guy robbing a corporation should get 20 times the sentence as the guy robbing a liquor store. On that I'm sure we both agree. I do believe Bush's "get tough" speech and that it is more than just words. In the past the Justice Dept. and SEC and other various government agencies DID relentlessly prosecute such cases. The laws have been there for years but for some reason the responsible government agencies were apparently asleep at the wheel or in some kind of disconnect in the 1990s. As were our intelligence and immigration agencies. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:26:10 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > > BTW, I wasn't dissing New York. I know. I had a "duh" moment a while after I sent my message when I realized that since one of the attacks happened here, people outside the city might easily imagine that New Yorkers are the angriest people and the ones most out for revenge, and so Muslims would be in the greatest danger here, and perhaps that's what you had in mind. Such anger is not the case here, though, so it took a while for me to even try to look at NYC from (possibly) your viewpoint. Debra Shea, overzealous NYC advocate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:44:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: extremely rude link NJC Yeah, it is rude, and why, exactly, did you post it??? The word fuck doesn't bother me, the hatred expressed toward women does, a lot. I think it's a hostile act to send something like that here. I can't imagine any woman on this list ever posting a fucking prick "joke". So much for love, peace and harmony, eh? Debra Shea colin wrote: > > http://b3ta.com/fish/ > > the above is an audio visual. it uses lots of rude words so if you are > likely to be offended don't go there. > > these fish ornaments have become very popular for some unfathomable > reason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:51:44 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Bob wrote: >Remember what Bush and company were pushing for before 9/11? The damned > missile defense shield, which would bring huge profits to their whole gang. I > recall talking with friends LAST AUGUST and saying that I felt more of a > threat from terrorism than from some country lobbing a bomb at us . . . and I > am not exactly an expert in international relations. Just as an aside - significant ongoing funding for the missile defense shield goes back to at least the 1970s and our government and the then Soviet Union were simultaneously working on their respective versions of it since at least that time. As far back as the early 1980s American and Russian astrophysicists were actually sharing a bit of technological information in the area of missile shields back and forth through academic and scientific conferences. Ever since I learned of this (fairly first hand) I've just laughed and shaken my head when Russian representatives protest loudly against *our* developing one and not laughed but just shaken my head that most Americans are not aware of these facts. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #283 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?