From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #282 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 282 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Eleanor McEvoy in the US NJC (Shawn Colvin) [Mags ] the error of our ways njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [Mags N Brei ] new to list, cd problems? [Mary Casey ] RE: homeland security hoax, NJC [Lori in MD ] Re: new to list, cd problems? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] For sale: Joni magazine collection [Dave Gertler ] RE: homeland security hoax, NJC ["Heather" ] Re: new to list, cd problems? njc i guess [Catherine McKay ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC ["kakki" ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: aggressive accounting NJC ["kakki" ] Cotton candy ice cream!! NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: new to list, cd problems? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: homeland security hoax, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Eleanor McEvoy in the US NJC (Shawn Colvin) the gig at the ark in lansing michigan is supposed to be Shawn Colvin and Eleanor. not sure if this means Shawn and Eleanor will be touring together or what. anyway...we thought this might interest jmdlers magsnbrei Return-path: Envelope-to: pholden@iprimus.ca Delivery-date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:56:26 -0400 Received: from newsvendor.com ([161.58.229.253]) by notus.primus.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #16) id 17RasE-0001Ib-0A for pholden@iprimus.ca; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:56:26 -0400 Received: (newsvend@localhost) by newsvendor.com (8.11.6) id g68FnIY04573; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:49:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsvendor.com: newsvend set sender to owner-followers@eleanormcevoy.org using -f Received: from mail04.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail04.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.20]) by newsvendor.com (8.11.6) id g68FnHx04567; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 81449 messnum 1154110 invoked from network[159.134.230.175/p687.as3.adl.dublin.eircom.net]); 8 Jul 2002 15:49:22 -0000 Received: from p687.as3.adl.dublin.eircom.net (HELO bhg) (159.134.230.175) by mail04.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 81449) with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 15:49:22 -0000 From: "Brian Greene [BHG]" Organization: doopdesign To: followers@eleanormcevoy.org Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:48:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Eleanor: US dates Message-ID: <3D29C253.28157.47CE66@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-followers@eleanormcevoy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: followers@eleanormcevoy.org X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 US DATES for Eleanor McEvoy & Brian Connor Tour [phonelines or URLs etc will follow for most venues] these are the dates as posted on the web site today, yesterday very similar dates were posted that may have had minor errors. Remember always check with venue for tickets / information before making travel plans. promo NY July 25 'Blooms' (record signing) NY July 27 'WFUV' (radio show) gigs july 28 town crier pawling, ny july 29 one trick pony/wyce show grand rapids, mi july 30 the ark lansing, mi july 31 abbey chicago.ill august 1 iron horse northhampton, ma august 2 bottom line ny, ny august 4 mad lab theater columbus ohio august 7 cafe club pittsburgh, pa august 8 tin angel philadelpia, pa august 9 knitting factory hollywood, ca august 10 to be announced august 11 foley's san francisco, ca august 12 to be announced august 14 conor o'neill's boulder co august 15 st.john's pub portland, oregon august 16 the tractor seattle, wa august 17 &18 salmon arms festival canada august 20 irish cultural center boston, ma august 21 stephen's talk house li, ny august 22 kennedy's midtown boston , ma august 23 to be announced august 24 acoustic cafe bridgeport, ct august 25 cafe lena saratoga springs, ny august 26 birchmere alexandria, va august 31 - sept 2 boston oyster festival this list will be updated @ http://www.eleanormcevoy.net/ Brian Greene BHG - technical manager - doopdesign E: bgreene@doopdesign.com T. +353(1) 8392428 M: 085 711 6466 IM: marxmanbhg F: +353(1) 8392429 ***** http://www.doopdesign.com/portfolio ****** - - Followers list is part of http://www.eleanormcevoy.net to unsubscribe email followers-request@eleanormcevoy.org with unsubscribe in the body of the email ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:54:33 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: the error of our ways njc While listening to that particularly poignant song I saw the latest pathetic, and heartbreaking, example of our inhumanity to our fellow man; the manhandling of that poor boy in Inglewood, Calif, by the police. Makes one want to cry. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:04:05 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Lama writes: << I still have the fears of an Indian woman I met at a party worried about being a foreigner among the newly militaristic Americans. >> As much as I hate to see the persecution of innocent people anywhere, I think it's important to point out that anti-foreign sentiment is by no means solely an American phenomenon. I know of a local boy who just graduated from high school last month and went to England to visit a friend. The boy is Armenian-American and his friend is Indian. They were mistaken for Arabs and then attacked and badly beaten by a mob in London. I think the US and Britain are probably two of the safer places in the world in which to be a foreigner, but there are idiots everywhere. I guess one thing haters have in common -- wherever they live -- is that they all tend to be dumb as rocks. Call me crazy, but I know that if I ever hated any group enough to go around committing acts of violence, I would at least make sure my victims were members of the group I was gunning for! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:12:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Too true, Colin. Everyone heals at their own pace, and > the pace of society dictates that we "snap out of it," > the moment our suffering becomes inconvenient. > Eventually "your heart gets up to go," (quoting Patty > Larkin...), but only when it's ready to. Less than a > year just doesn't seem like enough time for much of > anything to heal. > for some people, i believe that it is pretty much impossible to heal completely, try as one might, from something so hurtful. i think that when people tell you to "get over it" they may be saying that to ease the pain 'they' feel inside over whatever it is 'you' are in pain over. they need to 'do' something, make your pain go away, fix it...and so ... if they say.."get over it", or "time heals" or whatever, i think it's a way of saying hey, i really love you and care about you and cannot stand to see you in so much pain. it is never easy to see someone you love in pain and that helpless feeling is so awful. ive got some things id like to say about writing and not writing to the list. i know that i have written to the list, opened my heart wide open, sharing what it was like to relinquish my son to adoption. i have done this in part to share that story in what i consider a safe and welcoming place to do so, and as i recently mentioned, and i mean this with all my heart, to perhaps give some insight into what the situation may be like for joni. my bottom line is that reunion does not magically make all the past pain disappear...and reunion is not the land of oz, the happily ever after place that it is sometimes made out to be. and all that said, it is blissfully wonderful provided that you have a tonne of support , ongoing. i come back to victor's notion of this space as our journal. here, we celebrate the extraordinariness of ordinary lives. i also know and respect that some people are not comfortable with the telling of personal tales, or imagining what it would be like for joni...that said, i still think it is okay to go to there, sometimes. i am well aware that everyone's adoption/relinquishment story is different, there are just some aspects of the 'inside story' that can only be known one way, and that is to share it, from the inside out, from the centre. sometimes i find myself writing, words gush like a dam burst wide open, thoughts and feelings fly...and once i hit that send button, i think omg what have i done now and then it is too late, it is gone. it is in my nature to be wide open and that is just what i tend to do. what am i getting at here. sometimes, when ive written something to the list, i have also experienced a *thud* as it were. no response to anything ive said. and i know others have felt this. they have told me so. and i think what??? why? and that would just feed into my original omg sentiment ... making me want to go back into lurk mode and just keep my mouth shut. and then days, weeks and months pass by and for some other reason, i may be in touch with a lister about a totally different subject and i am told things like 'i always read your posts...i always enjoy your posts..you are a real writer..things like that. And of course, i am touched by that acknowledgement and am moved deeply that i have been heard or that i have touched someone. and then i think about all the wonderful posts i read every day. and how much i really want to write back to someone or some subject, and then a day or two or three slips by and suddenly i cannot find that post. or I am too tired to. understatement, this past year has been very challenging, and sometimes i've not had the time or tolerance or patience that i might have had in the past. or i have felt completely misunderstood or not heard period. and therein lies so much frustration. i suppose there are a zillion reasons people dont write, and i dont pretend to know all of them, i can only speculate on a few. ive written heartfelt things to people off list and get nothing back time and time again. like a slap in the head. Lost in cyber space, lost in the rush of another's life. who knows. all i can do is try and try again and write because that's what i love to do most of all. reach out. share. isnt that the point? if it isnt, then i dont know what is. and Colin, I agree wholeheartedly, I think that September 11th has affected us deeply. and btw, Colin, 21 years is a big deal. love, Mags. with only 8 more days at work. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Too true, Colin. Everyone heals at their own pace, and > the pace of society dictates that we "snap out of it," > the moment our suffering becomes inconvenient. > Eventually "your heart gets up to go," (quoting Patty > Larkin...), but only when it's ready to. Less than a > year just doesn't seem like enough time for much of > anything to heal. > for some people, i believe that it is pretty much impossible to heal completely, try as one might, from something so hurtful. i think that when people tell you to "get over it" they may be saying that to ease the pain 'they' feel inside over whatever it is 'you' are in pain over. they need to 'do' something, make your pain go away, fix it...and so ... if they say.."get over it", or "time heals" or whatever, i think it's a way of saying hey, i really love you and care about you and cannot stand to see you in so much pain. it is never easy to see someone you love in pain and that helpless feeling is so awful. ive got some things id like to say about writing and not writing to the list. i know that i have written to the list, opened my heart wide open, sharing what it was like to relinquish my son to adoption. i have done this in part to share that story in what i consider a safe and welcoming place to do so, and as i recently mentioned, and i mean this with all my heart, to perhaps give some insight into what the situation may be like for joni. my bottom line is that reunion does not magically make all the past pain disappear...and reunion is not the land of oz, the happily ever after place that it is sometimes made out to be. and all that said, it is blissfully wonderful provided that you have a tonne of support , ongoing. i come back to victor's notion of this space as our journal. here, we celebrate the extraordinariness of ordinary lives. i also know and respect that some people are not comfortable with the telling of personal tales, or imagining what it would be like for joni...that said, i still think it is okay to go to there, sometimes. i am well aware that everyone's adoption/relinquishment story is different, there are just some aspects of the 'inside story' that can only be known one way, and that is to share it, from the inside out, from the centre. sometimes i find myself writing, words gush like a dam burst wide open, thoughts and feelings fly...and once i hit that send button, i think omg what have i done now and then it is too late, it is gone. it is in my nature to be wide open and that is just what i tend to do. what am i getting at here. sometimes, when ive written something to the list, i have also experienced a *thud* as it were. no response to anything ive said. and i know others have felt this. they have told me so. and i think what??? why? and that would just feed into my original omg sentiment ... making me want to go back into lurk mode and just keep my mouth shut. and then days, weeks and months pass by and for some other reason, i may be in touch with a lister about a totally different subject and i am told things like 'i always read your posts...i always enjoy your posts..you are a real writer..things like that. And of course, i am touched by that acknowledgement and am moved deeply that i have been heard or that i have touched someone. and then i think about all the wonderful posts i read every day. and how much i really want to write back to someone or some subject, and then a day or two or three slips by and suddenly i cannot find that post. or I am too tired to. understatement, this past year has been very challenging, and sometimes i've not had the time or tolerance or patience that i might have had in the past. or i have felt completely misunderstood or not heard period. and therein lies so much frustration. i suppose there are a zillion reasons people dont write, and i dont pretend to know all of them, i can only speculate on a few. ive written heartfelt things to people off list and get nothing back time and time again. like a slap in the head. Lost in cyber space, lost in the rush of another's life. who knows. all i can do is try and try again and write because that's what i love to do most of all. reach out. share. isnt that the point? if it isnt, then i dont know what is. and Colin, I agree wholeheartedly, I think that September 11th has affected us deeply. and btw, Colin, 21 years is a big deal. love, Mags. with only 8 more days at work. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:15:26 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: new to list, cd problems? Hi, my name is Mary. I've been reading the digest for a week or so and thought I would jump in. I have a problem with my cds and am wondering if anyone else has experienced this. They seem to wear out (I'm on my 4th Court & Spark). When I hold the cd up to the light it has little pinholes in it. I have actually replaced Blue once and now I'm thinking I need a new Hejira. I am wising up and burning copies to listen to and saving the originals. I was just wondering if anyone else has this problem? NP: Neil Finn- Try whistling this ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: RE: homeland security hoax, NJC Jim wrote: > Alright, alright. I'm clearly in the minority this time. Minority, schminority ... if anyone is in the minority *here* it's probably me, as a veteran. (I'm about to conduct a quickie non-njc poll to ask how many jmdlers have been in the military ... anyone opposed?) > Military types don't ease my mind. They always remind me of the > dopey jocks in high school who never had an original thought and > completely followed the herd. All I can say to that (in my deepest, butchest voice) is: OOOH-RAH ! ; ) I know what you mean, Jim -- and don't you see lots of cops who are the same way? Scary. But pilots and electronics techs and medical people in the military, for the MOST part, are not "ate up" with all things martial. (Of course, those types tend to not stay in the service for very long, either.) There are plenty of peace-lovin' hippie types in the armed services ... believe me! Until the piss test to detect weed was perfected, many many many people in uniform toked their way through their time in service. And after we couldn't get away with that anymore, we switched to the virtually (still) undetectable next best alternative: vitamin A (el-es-dee). >; ) Lori (alumnus of *Altered State*) ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:42:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? NJC Subject: For sale: Joni magazine collection Hi folks, Please pardon the brief commercial interruption ... I collect magazines (old & new) with articles about Joni. Now, I am selling off a large part of my collection (dozens of magazines) on eBay. I divided the magazines into 7 lots, each of which starts at a low price. If you're like me, you'll really enjoy these articles about, interviews with, and photos of Joni. Try this link to see my auctions: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&useri d=randomo&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 (Sorry, that may be longer than it needs to be. If that doesn't work for some reason, just go to eBay and search on "Joni Mitchell magazine".) Thanks for your interest. Drop me a line with any questions. Dave Gertler (Hadn't posted here in a couple years, will resume lurking now ....) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? NJC Hi Mary, and welcome!! Regarding your CD probs, where do you buy your CDs? I don't know if it's at all true, but I've heard that sources like BMG and Columbia House sell cheap, substandard discs -- does anyone know if this rumor has merit? (Bob?) Lori in MD ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:10:22 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: homeland security hoax, NJC I have to agree Kakki. I remember the night of 9-11. Of course I was glued to the television most of the day and knew there was no allowed air traffic. But that night I heard planes through the night (here in Connecticut). I remember thinking that I felt somewhat secure knowing that our military was protecting us ... surveying the skies ... but then again, it made me fearful of the unknown ... the unknown being what was going to happen next. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of kakki Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:41 PM To: Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama); _JMDL; Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Hi Jim, > Now that we've brought it out into the open, do Air Force jets over the City > make you feel more safe or less safe? Since you brought it up - it definitely makes me feel more safe. The F-16s were flying over parts of L.A. right after 9-11, particularly near the harbor area (which is near where my parents live). My mom says they are still going over occasionally. I was on Catalina island a few weeks ago and one whizzed right over Two Harbors where I was staying one night at about midnight - jumped me right out of my seat - not because of it's presence but because I thought something had happened to be on high alert. Right after 9-11 several military helicopters started methodically criss-crossing back and forth over downtown every night around 2 a.m. One about flew by by window at eye level one night. Reminded me of the movie Apocalypse Now. It's all very surreal but personally I feel a bit more assured than not having their presence. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? njc i guess - --- Mary Casey wrote: > Hi, my name is Mary. ... I have a problem with my > cds and am wondering > if anyone else has experienced this. They seem to > wear out (I'm on my > 4th Court & Spark). When I hold the cd up to the > light it has little > pinholes in it. Welcome, Mary. This problem you describe has never happened to me. I wonder if the laser in your CD player has been set to kill, rather than just stun? Seriously though, if this has happened so many times, and you're always using the same CD player, I'd get that checked out - or chuck it and get a new one. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:37:47 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: (no subject) i was listening to harry's house - center piece the other day...something which i've listened to a hundred times....but i was really intrigued by the layers in the song and the changes. i even liked her saying....get down off there!!!....something which i didn't really like before for some reason. and she says something like...schools of yellow taxis...which i thought was a great lyric. anyway, i guess it made me think that she was singing about selling out for the take home pay...only not really cause she can't sustain a lifetime waiting home for him...and that made me think about joni having a constant dual thing going with wanting to be the home body family person but ultimately seeking refuge of the road. pat np. bruce cockburn - pacing the cage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:13:18 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC yeah colin, there may come a time when you'll wonder who they're really protecting. 21 good years do seem to past quickly doesn't it. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "_JMDL" Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC > L in MD wrote: > > > Kakki wrote: > > > > > I was on Catalina island a few weeks ago and one whizzed right > > > over Two Harbors where I was staying one night at about > > > midnight - jumped me right out of my seat > > > > I don't know if ironic is the right word or not: > > where I live, we are surrounded by several USA air bases. The sound of those > jets is always with us. Long before 11/9. fast, low and loud. even the dogs > look. The general consesus of the comments I have heard is not about safety but > about threat, a frequent reminder that our 'peace' is fragile and that another > country has it's weapons of mass destruction on our doorstep. > The sight and noise of them forces me to look-with a mixture of awe and dread. > Far from feeling protected, we know it makes us a target. This peaceful > countryside has an almighty power hidden in it's bosom and it isn't in our > control and it will be used one day by people far far away from here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:10:45 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Lori, Thanks so much for the link to the license plate holder - I'm not the type to get those things either, but I loved it and may make an exception for it. As I wrote here before I never felt compelled to display the American flag, either, until 9/11. > Minority, schminority ... if anyone is in the minority *here* it's probably me, as a veteran. (I'm about to conduct a quickie non-njc poll to ask how many jmdlers have been in the military ... anyone opposed?) I would love that poll. I've wondered myself and would like to know. Then Lama wrote: > > Military types don't ease my mind. They always remind me of the > > dopey jocks in high school who never had an original thought and > > completely followed the herd. I used to have a sort of stereotype in my head about the military "types," too, (maybe "hollywood" induced?) until I had a job where I dealt with many of them on a regular basis and had my preconceived notions completely turned around. The ones I worked with were some of the most fascinating, fantastic, intelligent, good and fun people I've ever met. I'd like to hang out with them all the time. Have no fear Lama, I think most of them are the best of the best in every way. You mentioned wishing it was Chuck Yeager up there flying around. Let me tell you - the guys I met are cut right from the same cloth. I've had a sense of awe, humility and downright affection toward them ever since. As for the idea of "getting over" 9/11, I think most in the U.S. never will and will never want to. And we shouldn't. I'll tell you one thing - I don't think I have ever prayed so much in my life since that day (even including the brief stint in Catholic school!) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:24:07 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC > > Military types don't ease my mind. They always remind me of the > > dopey jocks in high school who never had an original thought and > > completely followed the herd. that's funny jim, i'm an ex combat vet and i don't remember following any herd. we normally just wipe out the herd. just kidding. we have a tremedous amount of fire power. nobody on this earth comes even close. friendly fire has always scared me. the "smart weapon" is only as smart as the person who uses it. a bullet, mortar round, artillery shell, and bombs can't tell friend from foe. > > There are plenty of peace-lovin' hippie types in the armed services ... believe me! Until the piss test to detect weed was perfected, many many many people in uniform toked their way through their time in service. And after we couldn't get away with that anymore, we switched to the virtually (still) undetectable next best alternative: vitamin A (el-es-dee). >; ) hi lori, this is scary. picturing "peace lovin hippie types" with a weapon of mass destruction in their hands. maybe the phrase should be "wannabe peace lovin hippie types." smoking dope was never a political statement more of a release. later gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:33:55 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Randy wrote: > I can pretty much guarantee you that, should this become a > big national issue Why should it? Reports are that Bush was already investigated twice like 12 years ago over this and they found no wrongdoing. Just more shite from those who are trying desperately to get something on him. If he's really guilty of something, by all means bring it to light but this constant "scandal" of the week shite is getting so dumb and old that it's going to be like crying wolf after awhile and nobody is going to listen anymore. I'm sure a large majority of the U.S. has also benefited from the "aggressive accounting" in their work retirement plans. Now some will also perhaps pay for it a bit. I had a few people knowledgeable in economics tell me 6 years ago that this big "prosperous" economy of the '90s was all a big inflated bubble that would soon burst. Kept me away from investing in a lot of things people were going for then and who subsequently got burned. I'm glad Bush has called for more stringent penalties against those who unethically mess with the numbers. Geez, CPAs were always suppose to be the final word and held to the highest of ethical standards. It's dismal that some strayed so far from their primary responsibility (and took down many innocent and ethical co-workers' livelihood in the process). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:48:44 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Cotton candy ice cream!! NJC Has anybody out there ever tasted cotton candy ice cream? It is delish and has some of the texture even of cotton candy. So colorful and (blues,pinks, and greens)tasty too. I picked up a half gallon tonight after having eaten out at Don Pablos......it hit the spot after eating that spicy MEHICAN. Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:30:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC CD Storage & 21 years >>Here's my solution, similarly shared by at least one other JMDLer: http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?hierc=9686&itemid=6591<< looks like that one was worth waiting for lori!...we have an earlier model or 3 of them...(holding 200 cds each)...a great compact way of storing but i find i hardly use them for playing...i end up pulling the cds out of the racks & play them on our 5 disc player or in my car...then trying to find the booklet to know which player to put them back into...one of these days i will organize our cds by genre...in our household there are 2 major genres...old blues guys & female singer songwriters (with some blues gals & guy singer songwriters thrown in too!) colin, major congratulations...21 years IS amazing... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: new to list, cd problems? Hi Mary, Welcome to the Joni list! I really admire your taste in music. About those CDs with pinholes: A few pinholes don't hurt anything and the CD players should "track" right through them. If the pinholes are no wider than say, the width of a house key, the player will ignore them. (There is error correction built-in. The data is recorded several times, so the chip usually "knows" in advance what the data should be there and it is only looking for *confirmation*. If it doesn't get the confirmation due to a pinhole, the electronic chip reconstructs the data from memory. If it doesn't have an exact replica, it uses a best guess. If it can't guess, you get a silence or a skipping sound.) If you are hearing a problem, like silences, look at the non-label side of the CD. If it's all scratched up, it's likely that rough handling has caused the silences. If your CDs are not scratched, it's likely the CD player itself is dying an inelegant, embarrassing death. It's very unlikely that you are constantly buying CDs that rot. It's very rare so the chances that it keeps happening to any one person is vanishingly small. In short, if they sound fine, don't worry about them. If they don't sound fine and they're not scratched, its probably the player. Only if you live in a tropical rain forest with 100 degree (F) and 100% humidity, it's possible that your CDs are rotting. Jim ps, these aren't CD-Rs, made as copies are they? If so, don't store them in sunshine. The pigment won't last. - --- Mary Casey wrote: > (I'm on my > 4th Court & Spark). When I hold the cd up to the > light it has little > pinholes in it. Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:32:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: homeland security hoax, NJC This reminds me of a skit by a British comedy troup called "Monty Python's Flying Circus". Follower: I *HATE* "The People's Front of Judea"! Leader: You bloody idiot, *WE* are "The People's Front of Judea"! Follower: Really? Who do we hate, then? Leader: We hate "The Judean People's Front". Follower: Oh, it's all clear now. Thank you. Lama npimh: Bobby's words: "I don't hate nothin' at all 'cept hatred." and Neil's words: "Throw your hatred down. Throw your hatred down. Throw your weapons down." > From: Murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] > I guess one > thing haters have in common -- wherever they live -- is that they > all tend to > be dumb as rocks. Call me crazy, but I know that if I ever hated > any group > enough to go around committing acts of violence, I would at least > make sure > my victims were members of the group I was gunning for! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #282 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?