From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 281 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 9 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: Asbury Park NJ, USA njc ["kakki" ] NJC Happy Birthday Leslie! ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni coming to Covent Garden? ["Kate Bennett" ] aggressive accounting NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) ["Bill Pearson" ] Laura Nyro / Minimal JC [Bob Shemkovitz ] NJC Re: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Asbury Park": Bravo, Rose! / "40-watt stars": Bravo, Jeff! NJC [Rose] Happy Birthday Leslie... NJC [Steve Polifka ] Re: Happy Birthday Leslie... NJC [Mags N Brei ] RE: NJC Re: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: Asbury Park NJ, USA njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Happy Birthday Leslie... NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Leslie's Birthday [Steve Polifka ] Leslie's Birthday [Steve Polifka ] Re: RE: homeland security hoax, NJC [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [Lori in MD ] oh well njc [colin ] Borrowers and Lenders NJC [Russell Bowden] Re: aggressive accounting NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: oh well njc [anne@sandstrom.com] Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: Lucky Boy (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Surprise!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Surprise!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [Alison E ] Re: Surprise!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] NJC CD Storage [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] More on the Counting Crows [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [dsk ] Re: NJC CD Storage [Lori in MD ] "I am preachin' love, I am . . " [Catherine Udall Turley ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] 11/9 and list NJC [colin ] Rod Steiger: Some Joni Content ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Lucky Boy (njc) [colin ] Re: bombers in the sky NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: "I am preachin' love, I am . . " ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: "I am preachin' love, I am . . " njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: homeland security hoax, NJC [colin ] RE: homeland security hoax, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] the weather njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Clouds and Both Sides [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:09:15 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 9 1983: Joni performs at the Palace Theater in Columbus, Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:19:17 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Asbury Park NJ, USA njc Rose, Thanks for the beautiful photos. I always wondered what Asbury Park was like when first introduced to Bruce's album long ago. The architecture is fantastic and very unique. I do hope they can get a move on soon to start restoring these buildings and moving ahead with the redevelopment plan. Often such plans, unfortunately, take years and years to come to fruition. I scanned through the plan and it does look like their intention is to preserve these buildings but so many factors can change from year to year with new city councils, planning commissions, different development interests and laws that sometimes the process can drag on and stall. I'd hate to see those structures left unattended for many more years. Maybe more vocal grass roots community involvement is needed! ;-) Kakki > I dunno Catherine. The city council approved a waterfront plan which includes > the preservation of the Stone Pony. As for the Casino and the Carousel > Pavilion ??? I get a headache reading it. See if u can make heads or tails of > it > http://asburypark.net/news/redevelopment/report.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:38:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC Happy Birthday Leslie! happy birthday to leslie & rev vince! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:38:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni coming to Covent Garden? Joni Mitchell and her Big Band, The Relics>> >> Paul, THAT is amazing...my prayers for you that this dream comes true!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:16:22 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: aggressive accounting NJC According to my newspaper, El Pais, George Bush will today ask for executives who falsify company accounts to be jailed. According to my other newspaper, The Guardian, Bush (as well as Cheney and Thomas White) has been guilty of the same offences. "Mr Bush profited personally from aggressive accounting identical to the recent scams that have shocked the nation". For details see the URL below. The story, I believe, was taken from the N. Y. Times. http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,751821,00.html Is it too much to hope for that Bush is stupid enough to send himself to jail? mike in barcelona, crossing his fingers NP Kate Rusby. Sleepless - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:21:49 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) De-lurking for a moment to give PaulC a glimmer of hope with a cryptic message. It's looking possible that us UK Joni starved folks might well be hearing strains of Joni Mitchell through the (pine wood) trees in 2003. Early days but...keep watching Bill - ------------------------------ From: "Paul Castle" > OK Paul, I'm crossing fingers, toes and eyes for you! Thanks Bob, but you can un-cross everything now - turns out to be the biggest sodding typo in the world - the organizers came to our rehearsal tonight in the Museum - "oh, did I write 'Joni Mitchell'? I meant 'Joni Stone and her Big Band'." PaulC (inconsolable) - ------------------------------ - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 01/07/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:55:03 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Laura Nyro / Minimal JC I've noticed there are a lot of Laura Nyro fans on the list. You might want to check out the August issue of Down Beat. They give enthusiastic notices to the new expanded CD reissues of three of Laura's albums; a new live set of her 93-94 Bottom Line shows; and a biography by Michelle Kort. They tell me "her jazzy senusality made her the East Coast alternative to sun-kissed singer-songwriters like Joni Mitchell." Sure, but was she "quomb?" Bob NP: Pretenders, "Human" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:58:05 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) <> I hope that comes to pass, Sarge...you UK'ers are OVERDUE for a Joni visit. I'm just glad that I'm able to uncross my eyes as I was walking into the walls. ;~) Bob NP: Scruffy The Cat, "Keith's Lament" PS: I continue to enjoy the Rob Jackson CD you were involved with. One of my fave listens when I just want to chill out and relax. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:00:19 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Asbury Park": Bravo, Rose! / "40-watt stars": Bravo, Jeff! NJC In a message dated 7/9/02 12:17:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > when i heard "tunnel of love" - the song lama refers to when he so > eloquently writes "In decades-old paint, a section of an outdoor wall now > foreshadows a Springsteen album title." > The Tunnel of Love that Bruce speaks about was also housed in the Palace Amusements bldg. You can see an earlier foto of it here as well as Madame Marie's booth which he mentions in his song "Sandy" one of my faves. http://nj.com/springsteen/landmark/ My friends Gail & Pete lived in Asbury Park for a short while back in 1970, so I would go there to visit them. My parents would take me there as a child. I like you however made Seaside Heights my hangout. My parents had to run my uncle's luncheonette in Ortley Beach, (next beach over) on Rt 35 a block away from the Surf Club. It was the summer of '69, the best time of my life! Ah, that carnival life forever. I worked at the pizza stands on the boards too ;0) Jim & I have been rediscovering Point Pleasant. The Tiki Bar and Jenks LMAO. However I must admit that Asbury Park was the most affluent of the shore communities with all it's beautiful historical buildings. It's my fear that they are going to demolish these landmarks which they call "eye sores" to make way for condominiums. They are in serious danger. What does Seaside have to offer with the exception of the Merry Go Rounds? Looking forward to hearing the new song Kate & Jeff! It won't be long now. Maybe we can make a turn off on Exit 82 to "Seaside" and I'll buy ya's a drink, for old times sake ;0) rose NP: Sheryl Crow, Soak up the Sun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:01:20 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy Birthday Leslie... NJC Where is the Birthday Girl? Where is she hiding? Where are you, Woman! I need to send you a hug and kiss from the midwest! Hope all your wishes come true, my dearest Leslie. Miss you... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:04:12 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: HB Vince... NJC Hey Vince! 50's not so bad. 45 was much worse... Celebrate anyway! Steve not quite there yet, but thinking about it... And I do enjoy your posts! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:07:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Leslie... NJC - --- Steve Polifka wrote: > Where is the Birthday Girl? > Where is she hiding? > Where are you, Woman! > > i was wondering that too! happy belated bday Leslie..come out come out wherever you are ! love, Brei and his alien shiksa ;-) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:11:22 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) (SCGOD said :)) I hope that comes to pass, Sarge...you UK'ers are OVERDUE for a Joni visit. OVERDUE! - Bob, I think that qualifies for understatement of the year. (and) PS: I continue to enjoy the Rob Jackson CD you were involved with. One of my fave listens when I just want to chill out and relax. Glad to hear it. Currently working my way through demos for the next one which I had hoped to have available in time for the Cambridge Folk Festival appearance, but will almost definitely be next year now. I have started another label(as well as nowrecordings) so there will be lots of fantastic singer/songwriters heading to your door in the near future(on cd that is, not in person) Bill ps: finally got copies of Tangled and Over The Moon but I bet by now there's a whole host of jmdlers with cd's I don't know about? - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 01/07/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: HB Vince... NJC - --- Steve Polifka wrote: > Hey Vince! > 50's not so bad. 45 was much worse... > > age is a relative thing Stevie.... ;-) happy bday Vince..when was/is it? love, magsnbrei ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:23:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Asbury Park NJ, USA njc In a message dated 7/9/02 3:17:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > I scanned through the plan and it does look like their intention is to > preserve these buildings but so many factors can change from year to year > with new city councils, planning commissions, different development > interests and laws that sometimes the process can drag on and stall. I'd > hate to see those structures left unattended for many more years. Maybe > more vocal grass roots community involvement is needed! ;-) Kakki > Thanks Kakki, I was hoping your legal mind would take a look at these. The way I see it is that once these developers have control, the wreaking balls will soon follow to build million dollar homes for the very wealthy. Asbury Park is the number 1 historical site in danger of demolition IMHO. What did Joni say, They Paved Paradise and put up a parking lot? They'll make a museum and charge the people 10.00 to get in. Rose in NJ Please save Tillie! NP: Sheryl Crow, It's So Easy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:28:06 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Leslie... NJC In a message dated 7/9/02 10:07:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > i was wondering that too! happy belated bday Leslie..come out come out > wherever you are ! > Me too. Happy Birthday Leslie! What, no musical Mixons attending Jonifest this year? Wassup with that? rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:34:32 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Leslie's Birthday Me thinks we have a Musical Mixon Mystery on our hands... lol. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:36:50 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Leslie's Birthday Me thinks we have a Musical Mixon Mystery on our hands... lol. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:03:43 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: Re: RE: homeland security hoax, NJC hi jim. thanks for trying to explain this to me. i can totally understand cynicism, frustration, confusion and anger about all the security craziness we are now experiencing. and some good parodies/sarcasm probably have their place in expressing that. yet i continue to be queasy about any kind of parody involving thousands of new yorkers (or anyone, really) killed--by terrorists or others. to me it wasn't really the "overfly" issue that brought distaste--although, as you said, i missed that as a context--but the way (brief, untrue, blunt) it was expressed in the form of a joke. or "hoax." i'm don't think i would feel differently if i had read the original sequence of posts...but, maybe i would. again, i'm sure your intent was NOT to make me feel this way. and i fully acknowledge my extra sensitivity about all matters regarding 9/11, security, terrorism, and the like. thanks for your explanation--and apology--and for reading my thoughts here. thanks too to those who wrote offlist-- your sympathy and support mean a lot. as long as i'm at it--thanks to the WHOLE jmdl for a good, open, forum for discussion. i appreciate the chance to be a part of it. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Jim joked: (API) NEW YORK CITY- July 4, 2002 - - ------------ Shortly after dusk tonight Air Force F-15s "successfully supressed anti-aircraft fire" from a barge in New York harbor and "neutralized the mob of 200,000 providing support for the rocket launchers." and then explained to Emily: > It started with the premise that the military flying over America is a > bad idea and that they are as likely to kill civilians as they are likely > to kill terrorists. At 600 miles an hour, who can tell anything? Okay  rarely do I feel an urge to step back into uniform and turn bellicose about this sort of thing, because goddess knows there are LOTS of idiots in military service. However  the big egos of fighter pilots aside, the vast majority of them really do know their shit. And with the sophisticated instrumentation aboard (and well-trained support staff below) youd be amazed at the detail they can see while moving at 600 miles per hour. > The hoax turned out to be a false alarm within a false alarm. Here in > the midwest, it seems ripe for cynicism. Although Shanksville, PA is technically in the East, that little burg is still about as Midwestern in atmosphere and temperament as  oh, the Cincinnati area. : ) Do you think many in Shanksville felt cynical? > Now that we've brought it out into the open, do Air Force jets over > the City make you feel more safe or less safe? As the black crow flies, I live less than 12 miles NNW and work less than 7 miles NNW from the White House. The afternoon of 9/11, I went to the post office near my home (which was open, to my surprise). As I exited, a single F-16 zoomed through the sky, heading toward DC. It was one of the most comforting things Ive seen in my entire life. So ... to answer your last question, Jim: More safe. Lori, at work in Bethesda, MD ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:10:14 +0100 From: colin Subject: oh well njc i guess 21 years means shit to most people then...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:13:04 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Borrowers and Lenders NJC Polonius to his son Laertes....Hamlet, Act 2 (?) Russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:17:54 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: aggressive accounting NJC Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > According to my newspaper, El Pais, George Bush will today ask for > executives who falsify company accounts to be jailed. According to my > other newspaper, The Guardian, Bush (as well as Cheney and Thomas White) > has been guilty of the same offences. "Mr Bush profited personally from > aggressive accounting identical to the recent scams that have shocked the > nation". For details see the URL below. The story, I believe, was taken > from the N. Y. Times. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,751821,00.html > > Is it too much to hope for that Bush is stupid enough to send himself to > jail? > I can pretty much guarantee you that, should this become a big national issue, some other national emergency will surface just at the right time to divert the public's attention. I hear they are ready to commit 200,00 troops to invade Iraq. RR excerpt of article: in 1986, one would have had to consider Mr Bush a failed businessman. He had run through millions of dollars of other people's money, with nothing to show for it but a company losing money and heavily burdened with debt. But he was rescued from failure when Harken Energy bought his company at an astonishingly high price. There is no question that Harken was basically paying for Mr Bush's connections. Despite these connections, Harken did badly. But for a time it concealed its failure - sustaining its stock price, as it turned out, just long enough for Mr Bush to sell most of his stake at a large profit - with an accounting trick identical to one of the main ploys used by Enron a decade later. (Yes, Andersen was the accountant.) The ploy works as follows: corporate insiders create a front organisation that seems independent but is really under their control. This front buys some of the firm's assets at unrealistically high prices, creating a phantom profit that inflates the stock price, allowing the executives to cash in their stock. (There's more in the article about Bush sitting on the board overseeing all this stuff ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: oh well njc > i guess 21 years means shit to most people then...... hmmm.... the list seems rather inactive - maybe it's just too hot? Please try not to take it personally, Colin. You're not the only one to post something, only to have no one (or almost no one) respond lately. Is there anyone one board? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:31:15 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) Bob M wrote: > I'm just glad that I'm able to uncross my eyes >as I was walking into the walls. ;~) LOL - in between crying out loud - same release - 'my' walls have been taking a beating (from my head) all day. npimh : Poor me! Poor me! Pour me another! Bill wrote: >It's looking possible that us UK Joni starved folks might well be >hearing strains of Joni Mitchell through the (pine wood) trees in 2003. pine wood? Studios? Is this a cryptic clue that she might be coming over to make a film? Or am I barking up the wrong (pine wood) tree yet again? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:35:55 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Surprise!! I just got back from picking up the new Counting Crows CD, "Hard Candy", just out today. It's great, as I suspected...BUT the "hidden track" is a cover of "Big Yellow Taxi"! I knew they had performed the song live (I have a live copy on the way to me, as a matter of fact) but did not know that there was a studio version. Hot diggity dawg! Bob, loving it but wishing they had done 'Black Crow' instead...;~) NP: Counting Crows, "BYT" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: L in MD Subject: Re: Lucky Boy (njc) Colin, I'm way behind on everything and I just saw this ... you ARE a lucky boy!!! And so is John! Congratulations to both of you! Love, Lori colin wrote: you're my lucky star you're my magician.......... i get my heart full here........ i never loved a man i trusted as far as i could pitch my shoe 'til i loved you Thank you Lord for sending John my way 21 years ago today and for making sure i knew what i had been given and for continuing to show me the way. - -- bw colin ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:43:52 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) PaulC wrote: > pine wood? Studios? Is this a cryptic clue that she might be > coming over to make a film? Or am I barking up the wrong > (pine wood) tree yet again? Yes Paul, you're barking...up the wrong tree that is. No studio, no film - just Joni and trees :) Long way to go, be patient. Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 01/07/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:53:08 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Lucky Boy (njc) In a message dated 7/9/02 1:46:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lori_njc@yahoo.com writes: > Thank you Lord for sending John my way 21 years ago today and for making > sure i knew what i had been given and for continuing to show me the way. > > Right on man! rose NP: Ryan Adams, Answering Bell (thanks Bob ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:54:14 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Surprise!! In a message dated 7/9/02 1:36:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > I knew they had performed the song live (I have a live copy on the way to > me, as a matter of fact) but did not know that there was a studio version. > Hot diggity dawg! > > How kewl is that ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:00:38 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni coming to Covent Garden? (Not!!!) In a message dated 7/9/02 1:34:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > LOL - in between crying out loud - same release - > 'my' walls have been taking a beating (from my head) > all day. > > npimh : Poor me! Poor me! Pour me another! > Oh Paul honey, get yourself over here to Jonifest. It's the next best thing. We'll take care of that poor lil' head of yours. rose NP: Ryan, Somehow, Someday ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:11:50 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Surprise!! > How kewl is that It's great...always a thrill when I CD I would have gotten anyway has a Joni cover on it! Makes up for the false alarms, like when I pick up a CD with a "Circle Game" on it and find out it's NOT a cover. :~( Is there a better record with a Joni cover on it than Deja Vu? What do you think? Bob NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Throw Away Your Television" (also just out today and also very good...much more softer & poppish than I'm used to from them.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC > > Now that we've brought it out into the open, do > Air Force jets over > > the City make you feel more safe or less safe? throwing in my two cents, here... on the day, in nyc, as the morning faded into afternoon and the shock lessened and solid fear moved in...i was sitting in my friend carol's apartment with my friend jon. we were all just kind of trying not freak out, you know, and waiting for "dad" (guliani) to come back on tv and tell us what to do, the fighter jets started flying around the city. i remember distinctly the sound, as we were in carol's apartment on the 6th floor. and we were all just frozen, looking at each other, like is this another plane attacking us? or is it the military? we all ran to the window, and jon assured us that it was our military protecting the air. that was one of the single most scary moments of the day for me. i guess it did make me feel safer, but i don't think there was any way we were going to feel safe that day, really. now, i work in a town called kaysville, in the middle of nowhere, right by Hill Air Force base. there is the constant sound and sight of fighter jets, bombers, f16s, stealths that fly over and stop in, and so on. and it was really disconcerting at first. now i feel protected but still its really eerie. it's this constant reminder of war, and death, and that day. it all goes back to einstein--you can't simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. i wish we were trying harder to prevent it. alison e. in slc. np: the sundays Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:32:42 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Surprise!! In a message dated 7/9/02 2:12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Is there a better record with a Joni cover on it than Deja Vu? What do you > think? > > Oh I have no idea Bob. You're the better judge of that. One question for ya though. Where the hell do you keep all your CD's? My room is getting a little out of control. I have a tendency to leave them out and they're getting scratched! Any tips? NP:Kathy Phillips, Killing Time sweet indie girl and friend of Gregg's she did a sweet rendition of case of you Saturday check her out at kathyphillips.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:41:41 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC CD Storage > Any tips? Sure...first off, ask Victor or John van Tiel or Claud, contrary to popular belief I'm not swimming in CD's. The best way to minimize the space is to dispose of the jewel cases. I transfer all of my discs to CaseLogic sleeves, and in the space of 10 jewel boxes you can fit about 40 discs. Sweet! But you have to keep them in order as you can now no longer see any info on the spine. I also invested in a nice cabinet, made specifically for cd's. It's actually pretty compact itself, is made to hold about 500 discs, but in the sleeves it probably holds 5 to 6 times that. And I ain't there yet! ;~) Bob NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Tear" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:08:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: More on the Counting Crows OK, so I was so excited about the BYT on this CD I didn't stop and look at the liner notes. On the inside cover, it lists at the top of the page the title "Hard Candy" with a * beside it. When you find the * at the bottom, it says: "*May contain trace amounts of Joni Mitchell" Sybil, more "evidence" for your son! :~) Also, there's some nice string arrangements on the CD, with Ralph Morrison as the concertmaster, who filled that slot for Joni as well with BSN & the tour. Great production by Steve Lillywhite, another one who could do some nice work with Joni, not that she'd ever let him. Bob NP: Seal, "State of Grace" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:11:29 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > > yet i continue to be queasy about any kind of parody > involving thousands of new yorkers (or anyone, really) > killed--by terrorists or others. I suggest that any parody writer put themselves in the middle of those 200,000 or so folks who are dying and see how funny it is then. Your feelings made sense to me, Emily, especially the ones expressed in your earlier message. My heart lurched, too, at reading the "news report" because we're expecting other attacks of some sort and with so many people in such a small area, 200,000 people dying or being injured at one time is a possibility. Military folks have made mistakes, horrifying ones, but I'm glad to have US fighter pilots watching over the NY skies, with the hope that their presence will scare off whoever wants to do harm and they will never have to shoot any aircraft down. For me those fighter pilots very simplistically became the "good guys" on September 11 when one of my co-workers, who was listening to a radio through headphones, told the rest of us about the second plane hitting the WTC. Very soon after that there was a deep roaring aircraft sound, unlike any I've ever heard, scaring us all, and the person with the headphones said "those are fighter jets... our guys". Aaahhhhhhhh. Yes, it felt great. Suddenly the building I was in a few blocks from the WTC didn't seem as vulnerable. That relief was short-lived because soon after that the first tower was falling, our building was shaking and I could feel many thousands of people screaming, suffering and dying, and at that point there was nothing those fighter pilots or anyone could do to stop it. People can tell all the horror stories about the US military they want to tell, I know how reassuring its presence felt on September 11, and I'm glad to know they're still keeping watch. Debra Shea in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:32:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: NJC CD Storage > Any tips? Here's my solution, similarly shared by at least one other JMDLer: http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?hierc=9686&itemid=6591 Lori ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:49:10 -0700 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: "I am preachin' love, I am . . " Rod Steiger, guest artist on "Tax Free" from the beloved Dog Eat Dog, has passed away. So says my email alert: - ------------------------------------------------------ MSNBC Breaking News - ------------------------------------------------------ Actor Rod Steiger dies Rod Steiger, whose career included "In the Heat of the Night" and dozens of other films, has died at 78, his publicist says. ========================================= For more details: http://www.msnbc.com My sentimental favorite among his many roles: Jud Fry from the film version of Oklahoma. RIP Mr. Steiger. Catherine T. in sunny Seattle np: Rebecca Campbell, "Storm" (anxiously anticipating her Victoria BC show this weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:45:59 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: More on the Counting Crows >"*May contain trace amounts of Joni Mitchell I was just reading a review of this album earlier today, and the reviewer commented.."Counting Crows have the uncanny ability to make music that sounds familiar the first time you hear it." If he'd only read the liner notes, he'd have understood why! Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:22:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC > That relief was short-lived because soon after that the first tower was > falling, our building was shaking and I could feel many thousands of > people screaming, suffering and dying, It is not a year yet since this happened. I know for the people directly involved it isn't by any means over. i know from personal correspondence with people right there that the fear, pain, the reliving is still a daily remider. PTSD. Whatever you wish to call it. I have no idea why people not involved directly forget so easily think 'it's over now, you should be over it now'. It is the same with any trauma. It is never over but for some strange reason those not directly affected don't get that. I think it is fear here to. Fear that something terrible will happen to them one day. denial. Like those 'friends' who cross the street rather than talk to you after you have suffered something terrible. Trouble is when that something terrible does happen, they too will be told 'get over it, it's been a while now', and other heartrless fearleful people will cross the street to avoid them. Then they will understand. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Too true, Colin. Everyone heals at their own pace, and the pace of society dictates that we "snap out of it," the moment our suffering becomes inconvenient. Eventually "your heart gets up to go," (quoting Patty Larkin...), but only when it's ready to. Less than a year just doesn't seem like enough time for much of anything to heal. I missed the original post that led to this discussion, which is ok. The one thing that made me feel safer on 9/11 was my sister's description of the entire sub fleet leaving Groton - on the surface. They never do that! Clearly, they wanted to send a message. Having stood there with her many times, I can only imagine how chilling that site must have been. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:55:53 +0100 From: colin Subject: 11/9 and list NJC Over the last few months I have had more than a handful write off list to me expressing how uncomfortable they feel on the list, how hurt they feel by lack of response or by the type of response they have gotten. People I have been surprised feel this way. other people I have seen fly off the handle and get hurt , people I wouldn't have expected to . People I have had good relaionships with who now don't even write for reasons I don't get. Some people have got really nasty. Others have overeacted, some of us being particulalry sensitive or insensitive. Misunderstandings that haven't been resolved. Many retreats into lurking. In all it has been rather volatile for us all, and I mean include myself in this. Not having a pop at anyone. I have been here 5years this month. Never have i known the list to be like this. My gut feeling is that Sept 11 is the cause, or rather our feelings about Sept 11. Can't back that up with evidence and I don't say it is the truth. It is my feeling.(an weirdly enough the appalling weather is worrying-rain and cold enough to require heating in July!) I know there thave been no fights recently, things are very calm. I do not intend for this to start one. I wouldn't have mentioned it all because I thought it was just me that felt the list was different. But i have too many mails to think that now. Grief and shock take their toll and it takes time to heal from it. Nothing will ever be the same , how can it be but I am sure this place will be better than it once was ....given time. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:05:26 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Rod Steiger: Some Joni Content Death and taxes: the two inevitables. Nobody beats the former, but surely Rod Steiger's sad passing rids him of the latter, leaving him, how shall we say, "immaculately tax free"?mike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:33:33 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Lucky Boy (njc) Thank you Lori. You know I think 21 years is remarkable. We don't have any leagl backing or societal backing. We didn't have the parties and congratulatons and the ceremony when we first met. We don't have the yearly marking of it by family or friends or society. In fact it is pretty much ignored by the majority of people. For all sorts of reasons. Homophobia being one. Envy being another. I shared last week with the people I work with on Tuesdays. I was humiliated by the response. It was shameful. I didn't let it pass tho and made very sure they knew exactly how I felt about their crudeness and cruelty.'how dare you say such a thing to my face'. Well, they looked pretty shocked and shame faced. trouble is the denial I have to employ when being with such people is now impossible. Yes, denial is a good ploy. It's one I use all the time wehn with str8 people. I tell myself they see me as equal, as just as valuable as they, and that my 'marriage' is just as real as theirs. I am not so stupid as to continue that denial when it is thrown in face that they do not feel that way at all. TWENTY ONE YEARS!!!!!!! Isn't that amazing? And nothing to keep us together but our love and loyalty and committment and honesty and trust. (and I am sure I don't need to add that living with me for that amount of time has not been easy-for either of us!) And the divorce rate is 50% here....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bombers in the sky NJC - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > PS: When I took my grandson recently to the top of > Sears Tower, always > the biggest building in the world, they had massive > security measures in > place, as might be expected, and that was ok, except > I cracked up > laughing when I saw a group ,of Amish surrounded by > security personnel, > being frisked and run over with the wand. The Amish > looked so > confused... hey, if the Amish, who are pacifists, > can find a way to blow > us up with the technology of the 16th century, I'd > almost really like to > see it! You never know if they might be terrorists disguising themselves as Amish. Paranoid? Yeah, but unfortunately a fact of life today. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:32:42 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: "I am preachin' love, I am . . " Rod Steiger. The epitome of fine acting. Loved him. Sad to see him go. So special and unique. All those performances. Remember the one in the dreadful Amityville Horror while he was in the room with the flies or talking to his superior about it later? Now that is acting in my book. Superb. They don't make em like that anymore. Mack - -------------------------------------------------- > > Actor Rod Steiger dies > Rod Steiger, whose career included "In the Heat of the Night" and dozens > of other films, has died at 78, his publicist > says. > > ========================================= > For more details: http://www.msnbc.com > > > > My sentimental favorite among his many roles: Jud Fry from the film > version of Oklahoma. RIP Mr. Steiger. > > > > Catherine T. in sunny Seattle > > np: Rebecca Campbell, "Storm" (anxiously anticipating her Victoria BC > show this weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Asbury Park NJ, USA njc - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/02 10:27:23 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > > Rose - what an amazing building (or buildings!) I > love > > all that oxidized copper - there's some amazing > detail > > in some of the fancy-work around the roof, and > that > > rotunda is something else. I hope they aren't > planning > > to tear that down. > > > > > > I dunno Catherine. The city council approved a > waterfront plan which includes > the preservation of the Stone Pony. As for the > Casino and the Carousel > Pavilion ??? I get a headache reading it. See if u > can make heads or tails of > it > http://asburypark.net/news/redevelopment/report.html Typical government bureacratese. God forbid anyone should come right out and make a statement. I guess they really don't want anyone to read it, which usually makes me suspect the worst. Hey, Bruce could probably afford to buy the place and turn it into some kind of historical site - we all need a little carnival atmosphere in our lives from time to time. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:32:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "I am preachin' love, I am . . " njc - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Rod Steiger. The epitome of fine acting. Loved > him. Sad to see him go. > So special and unique. All those performances. Pore Judd is daid. Pore Judd Fry is daid. Jeez, that man was in a LOT of movies - he made an excellent bad guy. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:59:41 -0700 (PDT) From: L in MD Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC Kakki wrote: > I was on Catalina island a few weeks ago and one whizzed right > over Two Harbors where I was staying one night at about > midnight - jumped me right out of my seat Not that I would ever buy such a thing, but this pretty much says it for me: http://www.herogearstore.com/cool_license_plate_frame.htm Lori ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:10:53 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: homeland security hoax, NJC L in MD wrote: > Kakki wrote: > > > I was on Catalina island a few weeks ago and one whizzed right > > over Two Harbors where I was staying one night at about > > midnight - jumped me right out of my seat > I don't know if ironic is the right word or not: where I live, we are surrounded by several USA air bases. The sound of those jets is always with us. Long before 11/9. fast, low and loud. even the dogs look. The general consesus of the comments I have heard is not about safety but about threat, a frequent reminder that our 'peace' is fragile and that another country has it's weapons of mass destruction on our doorstep. The sight and noise of them forces me to look-with a mixture of awe and dread. Far from feeling protected, we know it makes us a target. This peaceful countryside has an almighty power hidden in it's bosom and it isn't in our control and it will be used one day by people far far away from here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:22:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: homeland security hoax, NJC Alright, alright. I'm clearly in the minority this time. That's okay once in a while. I still have the fears of an Indian woman I met at a party. She's over here on a visa while her husband learned American techniques for hand surgery and she was worried about being a foreigner among the newly militaristic Americans. I can only imagine what visiting Musilims must feel like in NYC. Military types don't ease my mind. They always remind me of the dopey jocks in high school who never had an original thought and completely followed the herd. Nerds don't easily cotton to that stuff no matter what the circumstance. (Would an fighter pilor even understand that sentence?! I guess Chuck Yeager would.) Okay, if I think of Yeager doing the fly-overs it works for me. Cool. Thanks ladies, for helping through. Jim PS, Could this dislike have anything to do with the fact that the track coach was the first person to give me a "D"? I will never forget 9th grade mechanical drawing. Too many erasures. (Like I'm supposed to be perfect?! I love my computer. I can revise and revise and revise and revise, just like in the darkroom. Did Eugene Smith make his first print perfectly? He did NOT! Ol' Gene took a bottle of Scotch with him into the darkroom and stayed up all night.) PPSS, Does anyone remember the subtitle to the Stanley Kubrick movie "Doctor Strangelove"? As I recall it was: "How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb." Just had to sneak that in. From: L in MD [mailto:lori_njc@yahoo.com] Not that I would ever buy such a thing, but this pretty much says it for me: http://www.herogearstore.com/cool_license_plate_frame.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:58:35 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Clouds and Both Sides I was thinking about Clouds and haven't finished thinking about the album. I was inspired by Erica's comments and also Lori's. I decided to post some thoughts I wrote to Erica, with the hopes that maybe some of you may want to discuss the many merits of the Clouds album. I have only just begun. . . . in my own mind. . . (to consider all that is beautiful about this album) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Subject: "Clouds" as a Coaster: A Cry for Inspiration Marianne wrote, about Clouds: >I love it in so many ways. You mean you love it from both sides, now??? ; ) Lori ~ :) I think clouds was one of my early joni albums. . ..so I have been around it for a while. . . Ladies of the Canyon, was my first. (I am 42) On Clouds, I love "Songs to Aging Children Come," (and everything else too). This song has actually been a lesson to me for a while . . . that we are merely all "aging children" so that when people make mistakes, or they behave in ways that we would rather have them not, let us remember that they are aging children.. . and so am I! "Aging children, I am one." That's kind of had a spiritual message that way for me. . . . helps me get along better and love better. And actually, now that I am looking at the words. . . . it is also a reminder that it is much more preferable to be an aging child than not. . . "people hurry by so quickly don't they hear the melodies in the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmoniies. I don't know, this reminds me never to lose your child self . . . not rush around like an adult, as we do. Being in the moment, that kind of thing. So this is where I get back to Lori's (and Joni's) comments about loving/seeing it from both sides (now). Being "aging children" has two sides to it. The understanding of *making mistakes* side (neg) and the *being in the moment* side (pos). Didn't Ruth say something about Joni and duality? I realize my words may be somewhat hard to decipher. In the meantime, if anyone wants to tell me one thing (or more) that they like about Clouds. . . . . I would love to hear about it. Also, I am also inspired to hear about general things you see/experience from both sides. Anyone want to listen to Songs to Aging Children Come? There is even more in this song. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:24:50 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: the weather njc sybil, I must defer to your wisdom. Despite all my griping about the texas weather last year, this year has been gorgeous, even with the overabundance of rain last week. mack np -Temptations ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:32:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds and Both Sides <