From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #275 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 275 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 3 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: July 3 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: under [blank] NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Seasons in the Sun -njc Now Bread but still NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Worst canibal songs (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re:Seasons in the Sun -njc ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: under [blank] NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: under [blank] NJC ["Heather" ] Neil Finn Concert (NJC) [Lindsay Moon ] "Clouds" as a Coaster: A Cry for Inspiration ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: under [blank] NJC ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: "Clouds" as a Coaster: A Cry for Inspiration [Lori in MD ] Re: under [blank] NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] May wonders never cease... (NJC) [Lori in MD ] Re: under [blank] NJC [Alison E ] Re: "Clouds" as a Coaster: A Cry for Inspiration [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Brady Bunch Fun: I am tired of people bashing the Brady Bunch. [Rela] NJC Comments [colin ] Re: Comments [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: under [blank] NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:01:48 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 3 On July 3 in history: 1968: Joni performs tonight at the Bitter End in New York City. Also on the bill are Bunky & Jake and David Steinberg. [Source: New York Times; July 5, 1968] 1983: Joni performs at Alpine Valley in East Troy, Wisconsin. List member Steve Polifka remembers: "Gloria, Terri and I were in Row M, just about center. We even brought binoculars, even though they were good seats. The concert was to start at 8, and she was late, so the three of us started chanting very loudly, "We want some solid love," for about 5 or six minutes, thinking how cool it was to be rowdy at a Joni concert- LOL. Soon I froze, and one of them asked me what was wrong, to which I responded, "There she is!" "They asked me where, so I pointed out this blonde figure peaking out (stage right) of the curtain with an 8mm camera pointed right at us. I felt so foolish that I had to sit down! "A few years later I was working at a video store, and got a prevue magazine which featured an article about her Refuge of the Roads video, and how she had interspersed concert footage with her own 8mm shots. I just about ****! I freaked,remembering that night, calling Gloria when I got home. Needless to say, I worried about nothing, having ended up on the cutting room floor..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:01:48 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: July 3 On July 3 the following items were published: 1971: "Beautifully Blue Joni Mitchell" - Sounds (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710703s.cfm 1976: "A Woman of Heart and Mind" - Toronto Star (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/760703ts.cfm 1999: "Canada's first lady of folk gets a warm tribute in New York" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/990703tgam.cfm 1999: "It's All Joni Mitchell Onstage, but She's in the Audience" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/990703nyt.cfm 2000: "Pop star-artist attracts thousands to gallery" - CBC News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000703cbc.cfm 2000: "Saskatoon stages a Canadian icon's retrospective" - Calgary Herald (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000703ch.cfm 2000: "Thousands converge on Saskatoon to see Joni's art" - CBC News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000703cbcx.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:08:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Catherine, are you insinutating that I'm NOT > passionate about expediting > engineered process equipment for an Eli Lilly > Humalog manufacturing plant in > Puerto Rico? Gawd, life doesn't get much more > razor's edge than that! (insert > tongue firmly in cheek) LOL - what's *not* to be passionate about? Jeez, I envy ya! So much more exciting than trying to get minister's letters written (with a personal touch, eh?), approved by ten levels of bureaucracy, signed, and out the door within 15 business days. I wish I had your job (sigh.) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Seasons in the Sun -njc Now Bread but still NJC - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > We used to change the lyrics to Bread's "Diary". > Can't remember it all, but > the first line went: > > "I had diarrhea underneath the tree" > > I know, I know, but it was high school. > Times have changed. My kid is only 11 and he's been doing variations of "diarrhea" songs for at least a couple of years now. It's amazing how many songs you can change to include the word "diarrhea" - and it doesn't matter how often you say it, it'll always get a laugh. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Seasons in the Sun -njc Now Bread but still NJC, .....and Andy Kim NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Now who can connect Andy Kim to Joni? > He's Canadian (unfortunately for our side.) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:10:39 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Worst canibal songs (njc) o.k. class as long as we are going over this subject how about the song "Timothy"? Now for the embarassing revalation that I did own a copy of this (45 rpm) and played it over and over. I really don't think it was because I liked it, it was just so darn gruesome. Sorta like slowing down for an accident. Must once again preface this by saying I was in grade school so hadn't fully cultivated my taste in music yet :-) So now it is sharing time. Please to reveal your most guilty pleasures of hideous songs. Paz already confessed to liking Bread but I thought he meant the kind you eat when you drink too much to keep you from hurling! Sue n.p. MU330, "Tune Me Out" _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:17:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Worst canibal songs (njc) > Please to reveal your most guilty pleasures of hideous > songs. "Moonlight Feels Right" by Starbuck. I loved the xylophone (could call it vibes, I guess that sounds classier) on the song, and bought the LP, which was pretty much of a stinker though it did have another good track on it, an instrumental called "Bordello Bordeaux". As for cannibal songs, my favorite would have to be "Stranded In The Jungle" by The Cadets, circa 1956. More funny than gruesome. AND, bringing it back to Joni, a couple of the musical passages in this song were "cannibalized" by the mock-band Godfrey Daniel when they did their cover of Joni's "Woodstock". Now THERE'S a piece of trivia that no one gives a hoot about! Bob, thinking about the Little Rascals episode with the cannibal chasing after the kids chanting "yum yum, eat 'em up"! LOL! NP: Todd Rundgren, "Hideaway" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:49:04 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: re:Seasons in the Sun -njc <> as i mentioned about a year ago, when this song last surfaced on the list, i have the *movie* "seasons in the sun," if anyone needs a copy. talk about cheese! and speaking of cheese - john, did you know that jacques brel wrote the original lyrics to that bit of trash, which were then translated by rod mckuen? cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC > One of my friends who has an advanced degree from a prestigious British > university (but not the career to go with it) is always joking with me that > we should have all taken the student loan money and bought a pizza franchise > instead! My sister and I are always complaining about the "get an education" stuff. Well, I majored in French. Big fat lot of good that did me - although I was lucky for a little while (right place, right time, right job, right company...) Since I got laid off from there a few years ago, I've been miserable at work (well until I got diagnosed, then I've been on disability - which I'm SO grateful to have. If I'd been diagnosed when I should have been, I would have wound up homeless, because I was a contractor and had no insurance at all.) Anyway, I would have been so much happier as an interior designer, or in real estate, or even as an electrician. Russ started out as a plumber, is now a plumbing inspector and has all the perks that go along with a city job. (Not long hours, pension, security, etc...) So, which one of us has it better in the long run? He does... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:20:55 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: under [blank] NJC all that matters is if you have integrity in how you approach your work. i have seen both highly educated and under-educated people have no integrity in how they approach their work. conscientious people make all the difference. heather - -----Original Message----- From: anne@sandstrom.com [mailto:anne@sandstrom.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:55 AM To: kakkib@vzavenue.net Cc: jlamadoo@fuse.net; joni@smoe.org; SCJoniGuy@aol.com; gmock@psyber.com; chiaroscuro@snet.net; suze_1@lycos.com; magsnbrei@yahoo.com Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC > One of my friends who has an advanced degree from a prestigious British > university (but not the career to go with it) is always joking with me that > we should have all taken the student loan money and bought a pizza franchise > instead! My sister and I are always complaining about the "get an education" stuff. Well, I majored in French. Big fat lot of good that did me - although I was lucky for a little while (right place, right time, right job, right company...) Since I got laid off from there a few years ago, I've been miserable at work (well until I got diagnosed, then I've been on disability - which I'm SO grateful to have. If I'd been diagnosed when I should have been, I would have wound up homeless, because I was a contractor and had no insurance at all.) Anyway, I would have been so much happier as an interior designer, or in real estate, or even as an electrician. Russ started out as a plumber, is now a plumbing inspector and has all the perks that go along with a city job. (Not long hours, pension, security, etc...) So, which one of us has it better in the long run? He does... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:18:19 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Neil Finn Concert (NJC) I went to the Neil Finn concert, the opening of his tour, last night here in San Diego. I can't gush enough about what a great musician he is and what a great show it was. He had Johnny Marr (formerly of The Smiths) join him, along with Lisa Germano (formerly of Wendy & Lisa with Prince) who is on tour with him and a couple of guys from Radiohead, Sebastian Steinberg and -- oh, darn! I should find out the correct information. He seems to have a wonderful time playing his own music or that of others' -- just enjoys music period. I would urge you to go if you're on the fence about it. Still in a wonderful fog ... Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:33:32 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: "Clouds" as a Coaster: A Cry for Inspiration I noticed today that my "Clouds" cd had taken on a new job as a coaster on our coffee table... I felt sad but I just can't get into it...I've tried and tried..maybe 2-3 songs get me in a Joni-state-of-mind...but I find myself painfully stuggling thru it everytime I put it in. I know that hearing other people's relationships with some songs really have helped in the past, I was hoping that a "Clouds" fan could shake me out of this, block the sun, rain and snow on me, and show me the light with this album!!!!!! Thanks so very much! Erica NP: Van Morrison, Veedon Fleece (this album ROCKS!!) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 05:19:33 +1200 From: "Tom Rodwell" Subject: Re: Worst canibal songs (njc) > > Please to reveal your most guilty pleasures of hideous > > songs. > > "We Built This City On Rock and Roll".....by Jefferson Starship. Such a stupid song really.....but what an endearingly cosmic idea. Glam keyboards.....boomy drums....weedly geetars....ridiculous lyrics....it's definitely a song full of guilty pleasures. T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:28:55 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC >My sister and I are always complaining about the "get >an education" stuff. Well, I majored in French. Big fat >lot of good that did me - although I was lucky for a >little while (right place, right time, right job, right >company...) Okay, now you've hit a nerve with me, and one of my pet peeves. One must ask themselves if they want an education or job training - they are often not the same thing. The focus in this country is so much on earning a dollar that little things like ignorance and illiteracy are just overlooked. REAL education in this country just isn't valued anymore, and I offer George W. Bush as exhibit #1. He finally hit the career jackpot, but that man is as dumb as a rock. No, being well educated doesn't insure a good job and income. It's all a matter of priorities I suppose. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: "Clouds" as a Coaster: A Cry for Inspiration Erica wrote: > I noticed today that my "Clouds" cd had taken on a new job as a coaster > on our coffee table...I felt sad but I just can't get into it... HERESY!!! : ) Seriously though Erica ... I don't play Clouds very often myself, although I own three copies (two on vinyl and one on CD) ... however, my favorite cut is "That Song About The Midway," probably because when I first heard Joni sing it, I was surprised to find that I already knew the words ... it had long been a favorite of mine from Bonnie Raitt's 1974 album, "Streetlights." (And if you want to take a quick trip down memory lane, take a look at that album cover: http://home.planet.nl/~jhoen/b/album04u.htm) In these days of errant bombs and bullets in Afghanistan, I often find myself singing "The Fiddle And The Drum" almost without realizing it ... I believe it's one of the finest a cappella pieces in existence. Now that I'm an aging child I find "Songs To Aging Children Come" to be particularly poetic ... oh geez, the more I think about it, the more I wonder WHY I don't play Clouds more often??? Give it another try ... pick a favorite cut or two and play just those, over and over. Or play STAS and follow it with Clouds ... I've always liked the way those two albums "fit" together. Good luck, Lori ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:03:00 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Seasons in the Sun (NJC) Summer is FOR dumb songs. (Partially) Top of my dumb list is the advanced cinematic masterpiece of melodrama from Cher, "Dark Lady." "So I sneaked back and caught her with my man Laughing and kissing 'till they saw the gun in my hand "Next thing I knew, they were DEAD ON THE FLOOR, Dark Lady would never turn a card up anymore. EVERYONE!!! "Dark Lady laughed and danced and lit the candles one by one. Danced to her gypsy music till her brew was done. Dark Lady played black magic till the clock struck on the twelve. She told me more about me than I knew myself." REPEAT TO FADE Oh, Margaret. Between this, "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" and "Bang, Bang" I think Cher had a running theme in her early 70s work. CC "and I lit a candle for my love luck and eighteen bucks went up in smoke." - -- JM _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC > Okay, now you've hit a nerve with me, and one of my pet peeves. One must ask > themselves if they want an education or job training - - they are often not > the same thing. I agree that they're not the same. But I could have handled BOTH. I was bored to tears in college, finished all requirements for my major by the end of sophomore year. I could have easily added classes in something more 'practical.' > The focus in this country is so much on earning a dollar > that little things like ignorance and illiteracy are just overlooked. REAL > education in this country just isn't valued anymore, and I offer George W. > Bush as exhibit #1. He finally hit the career jackpot, but that man is as > dumb as a rock. Again, I agree. Most shocking is the fact that many college educated people just don't read anymore. So, the rate of real literacy is dropping, even as more people get college degrees. I agree about George W. He'd have to pull a brain muscle to achieve mediocrity! > No, being well educated doesn't insure a good job and income. It's all a > matter of priorities I suppose. Granted, learning how to study is probably the most valuable asset in working for a good education. Most of the facts and figures I memorized are long gone. I did learn how to learn, though. Do I sound like I'm waffling? Maybe I just take some things for granted. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: May wonders never cease... (NJC) http://www.benefitsnext.com/news/view.cfm?news_id=1943 ~ New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC i can't believe you guys turned my MADLIBS thread into a discussion of the evils of corporate america! that had alot of potential! alison e. in slc, clearly antsy to start the super long weekend... np: freedy johnston Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:10:43 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Clouds" as a Coaster: A Cry for Inspiration > I was hoping > that a "Clouds" fan could shake me out of this, Strangely enough, many folks can't get too excited about Clouds, Erica. Like STAS, it has some complex melodies that are hard to get into...it's not all "Chelsea Morning", instantly melting on the ear. I'm not nutty about everything on the record, but the vast majority of it is wonderful. One of my favorites is "I Think I Understand"...so accessible melodically, and even though the lyrics are Tolkienesque, this line rings clear as a bell to me: "Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty" It's almost like a mantra, a saying you can use every day to remind yourself not to live in fear. I really fell in love with this record listening to it early in the morning, when I had the time to sit back and soak in all of its beauty & hidden charms. And as the VP of covers, it is my duty to report that with the issuance of the Steve Klink CD, every song on the record has now been recorded by other performers. (The Gallery was the holdout) So don't make a coaster of it, Erica...it deserves a much more respectful fate than that. :~) Bob NP: Otis Rush, "My Jug & I" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:30:40 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Brady Bunch Fun: I am tired of people bashing the Brady Bunch. I agree,the "Brady Bunch" is the best!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:46:39 +0100 From: colin Subject: NJC Comments Jim's epxerience is not unusual. we were all brought up with the lie that if you are good and learn, you end up with a good life, good income, happy family etc. No one wants to hear your opinions. They only want people who agree with them. People with differing opinions, or who think outside the box, are labelled as mad or bad. They are falsely accused, they are ridiculed, they are ignored, humilitaed, lied about, or deliberately misheard or misread. If you insist on being hoenst and true to yourself, you can forget about being liked or accepted as part of the group. conformity is the name of the game. Even here. You either stay true to yourself and weather the shit, or become like them. In the end it is you you have to live with. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Comments Colin wrote: > You either stay true to yourself and weather the shit, or become like > them. > In the end it is you you have to live with. I'm not labeling this NJC because I think this is exactly what Joni has done in her career. She's probably not as rich as she'd be if she had become a 'hit machine' but I'll bet she's a lot happier with the music she's created. For the NJC crowd, this came from a discussion about work, conformity and mediocrity. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:12:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: under [blank] NJC Oh, dear me, Catherine. Let me explain it to you. Here, sit down. If there *ARE* 30 percent who are truly excellent and 1/3 of them are passed over for the excellence raise, they will simply get angry and LEAVE. This will restore the natural order of things: the 20% figure is self-achieving. You see? You worried about nothing. There now. Run along, Catherine. And will you try not to THINK so much? Lama > -----Original Message----- > From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > Now > maybe 20% is somehow statistically sound (what do I > know?) or maybe it's just a number plucked out of a > hat (most likely) but, like I asked my boss the other > day, what if - WHAT IF - there were 30% of employees > who were really excellent? What if??? Oh, what's the point... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #275 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?