From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #270 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 270 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained [Julius Raymond ] RE: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained [Lazyasz@aol.com] Re: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained [Deb Messling ] Monk's widow passed, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: under God NJC [notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu] Re: Barandgrill [Engwall57@aol.com] Fwd: Barandgrill [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: under [blank] NJC [Alison E ] Re: under [blank] NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: under [Alison] NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: under [Alison] NJC [Alison E ] Re: under [blank] NJC [Alison E ] Re: under [Alison] NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: under [blank] NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Bay area get-together: high priority (NJC) [] RE: under [Alison] NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Barandgrill [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL artists available at CD Baby, njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained [Randy Remote ] Re: John Entwhistle RIP njc [Les Irvin ] Re: Barandgrill ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:04:49 -0700 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained What an inspired choice of Joni lore, Smurph. And what a fitting tribute to Timothy White, whom I never knew of, but will never forget - now that I associate him with the telling of Joni's enchanting story behind "The Tea Leaf Prophecy." I had never read that, either. Wow. Great is the interviewer who evokes Joni's candid discussion of her songwriting magic. Thanks for ferreting this out, Bob. I can't help being tearful at what I regard as a "laughing and crying you know it's the same release" type sentiment that Joni expresses in the interview: "Don't worry about the gypsy, Mom. Two out of three ain't bad." This comment has the same comedic bitter-sweetness, and the same ring of truth, as a lyric from "Facelift" that I hold dear: "Oh, let's be nice, Mama, open up your gifts/You know, happiness is the best facelift." (What's the emoticon for a sad smile, anyway?) Rest in Peace, Timothy White. I knew ye not at all, but I'm off to read the rest of your interviews with Joni, and I will remember you. - -Julius Bob Murphy writes: > Billboard Editor-in-Chief and music journalist Timothy White died today at > the age of 50. > > He is the author of 5 Joni-related articles in the JMDL database, including > one that features one of the best Joni interviews. You can find the entire > article at: > > << http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/880317rl.cfm >> > > It's a great read. The article is from March of 1988. I have included a bit > of the interview below. In it, Joni tells the story behind "The Tea Leaf > Prophecy," which I had never read, although I knew the song was the story of > her parents and how they met during WWII. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:58:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: under God NJC maybe they should just let everyone say whatever word they want...it could be interesting hearing the sound of that altogether... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 04:21:10 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: RE: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained My God!!! What a sad shock and an even sadder loss!!!! Not only is it sad to see a person go at such a young age as fifty, but also a man who as I understand it was a major Joni supporter and booster. What sour times these are : / ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:16:37 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained Oh, that's too bad! I was hoping that he would be the one to write Joni's biography some day. At 11:30 PM 6/27/02 -0400, you wrote: >Billboard Editor-in-Chief and music journalist Timothy White died today at >the age of 50. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: John Entwistle passed, njc John Entwistle of The Who passed last night in Las Vegas, Nevada. He's perhaps best known for a humorous song about marital strife, "My Wife", from the album "Who's Next": "I ain't been home since Friday night and now my wife is comin' after me. Gimme police protection or a judo expert with a machine gun. I may end up spendin' all my money but I'll still be alive." Pete, Roger, and John were planning a tour which has tentively been renamed "Who's Dead". Lama ps, I may have made up the tour name. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Monk's widow passed, njc On the radio yesterday, they played a Monk piece that he wrote in 1957 when he wife was having surgery. It was very bold, as all Monk pieces are. She now has joined him in her final reward. Lamadoo Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: under God NJC Quoting Victor Johnson : > > Amen sister! Can I get a few amens!!! > > One station, under Jerry, indivisable, with terrapins and dancing bears > for > all... I'll vote for that! Jerry, having a ball in NYC, despite them putting me in Room 911! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:38:01 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Barandgrill In a message dated Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:20:33 +0200, jan@glas.tmfweb.nl writes: > > > But what is barandgrill, just the best place to eat and be > in those days, or is there more to it. > > Thanks in adv. Jan > > > Barangrill In this song, Joni is searching for respite from the hectic pace of the road, and endless choices that present themselves to someone new to fame and fortune ("some say its in service, they say "humble makes pure", youre hoping it's near folly, 'cause you're headed that way for sure...") The "It" she is seeking is some simpler truth and peace of mind. She seeks it in the mythical "Barangrill" and in the presence of the waitresses, people with "no trouble in their faces." But she finds there is no truth or peace to be had there either. The wairess's mind is not on enlightenment, but on her boyfriend and the nuts and bolts details of her own life. The truck driver is not at peace, either. He's just a slave, a cog in the wheel, not free at all. While she does not feel a connection to those characters, she does with the guy at the gas pumps. He makes up his own tune, and in that moment, she sees a bit of herself in him, and him in herself. In that moment, everything falls into place. After she listens to him serenade her, she forgets to ask where "Barangrill" is, because she realizes the simpler truth she was seeking is not there, but is an illusion. Life is joy and pain, whether you work at the gas station or up on the big stage. Truth is only to be found within, further down the road, not in any "Barangrill" mirage. This is a very existential song. It has always been one of my favorites. Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:47:54 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Barandgrill Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:38:01 -0400 From: Engwall57 To: jan@glas.tmfweb CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Barandgrill Message-ID: <4E3D07A0.4993DC41.023DCF96@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 165.176.19.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In a message dated Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:20:33 +0200, jan@glas.tmfweb.nl writes: > > > But what is barandgrill, just the best place to eat and be > in those days, or is there more to it. > > Thanks in adv. Jan > > > Barangrill In this song, Joni is searching for respite from the hectic pace of the road, and endless choices that present themselves to someone new to fame and fortune ("some say its in service, they say "humble makes pure", youre hoping it's near folly, 'cause you're headed that way for sure...") The "It" she is seeking is some simpler truth and peace of mind. She seeks it in the mythical "Barangrill" and in the presence of the waitresses, people with "no trouble in their faces." But she finds there is no truth or peace to be had there either. The wairess's mind is not on enlightenment, but on her boyfriend and the nuts and bolts details of her own life. The truck driver is not at peace, either. He's just a slave, a cog in the wheel, not free at all. While she does not feel a connection to those characters, she does with the guy at the gas pumps. He makes up his own tune, and in that moment, she sees a bit of herself in him, and him in herself. In that moment, everything falls into place. After she listens to him serenade her, she forgets to ask where "Barangrill" is, because she realizes the simpler truth she was seeking is not there, but is an illusion. Life is joy and pain, whether you work at the gas station or up on the big stage. Truth is only to be found within, further down the road, not in any "Barangrill" mirage. This is a very existential song. It has always been one of my favorites. Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC LOL! that's what my friend and I came up with last night.... one nation, under [blank], with [blankety] and [blank] for all. it could be like the National MadLibs! does anyone remember those? i loved those. "one nation, under hot dogs, with ketchup and relish for all" "one nation, under rainbows, with judy garland and barneys for all" one nation, under weed, with snacks and south park for all" one nation, under joni, with hejira and jaco for all." come on, everybody MadLib! alison e. in slc np: dianne rehm show - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > maybe they should just let everyone say whatever > word they want...it could > be interesting hearing the sound of that > altogether... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:14:31 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC > "one nation, under hot dogs, with ketchup and relish > for all" > "one nation, under rainbows, with judy garland and > barneys for all" > one nation, under weed, with snacks and south park for > all" > one nation, under joni, with hejira and jaco for all." > come on, everybody MadLib! "One nation, under Allison, with mad libs and pretty blue eyes for all" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:26:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: under [Alison] NJC Victor writes: << "One nation, under Allison, with mad libs and pretty blue eyes for all" >> I think that's a great idea, Victor. And there's also that part of the Pledge of Allegiance that says, "And to the Republic, for Richard Sands?" Who the hell is he and why does he get mentioned? I would rather mention Alison when I pledge. After all, the image of her with the Olympic flame last winter will always be etched in my mind as a defining moment in exactly what it means to be an American! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: under [Alison] NJC LMAO! in your vision, am i running with the flame, like with the "chariots of fire" theme in the background? or am i skating, like dorothy hamill, to the hawaii-5-O theme? that would be cool. alison e. in slc - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > And there's also that part of the Pledge of > Allegiance that says, "And to the > Republic, for Richard Sands?" Who the hell is he and > why does he get > mentioned? I would rather mention Alison when I > pledge. After all, the image > of her with the Olympic flame last winter will > always be etched in my mind as > a defining moment in exactly what it means to be an > American! > --Bob Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC awwwww, shucks, victor! thanks man. i am really well known for my madlibs! alison e. in slc ps: at the terrapin tent, we will be madlibbing as we play scrabble. - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > come on, everybody MadLib! > "One nation, under Allison, with mad libs and pretty > blue eyes for all" Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:26:07 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: under [Alison] NJC Alison asks: << in your vision, am i running with the flame, like with the "chariots of fire" theme >> No, Alison, in my vision you are standing perfectly still with the torch held aloft, its golden glow dancing in your otherworldly blue eyes. Sorta like another lady with a torch, but prettier, and lots more fun at parties! Have a great weekend. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:59:52 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: under [blank] NJC I like "One Nation Under Stress" or One nation under the thumb.... Alison E wrote: > > LOL! that's what my friend and I came up with last > night.... > one nation, under [blank], with [blankety] and [blank] > for all. > it could be like the National MadLibs! > does anyone remember those? i loved those. > "one nation, under hot dogs, with ketchup and relish > for all" > "one nation, under rainbows, with judy garland and > barneys for all" > one nation, under weed, with snacks and south park for > all" > one nation, under joni, with hejira and jaco for all." > come on, everybody MadLib! > alison e. in slc > np: dianne rehm show > > --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > maybe they should just let everyone say whatever > > word they want...it could > > be interesting hearing the sound of that > > altogether... > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:06:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: under [blank] NJC lol ya'll! madlibs rule!!!!!!!!!! its a mad mad madlibs world!!! enough already with the serious litigation...(with my apologies to our lovely jmdlers who work in the field)...but i have had enough of this litigiousness (sp?)...madlibs for all!!!!!!!!! alison: "one nation, under hot dogs, with ketchup and relish for all" victor: "One nation, under Allison, with mad libs and pretty blue eyes for all" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:05:00 -0500 From: Subject: Bay area get-together: high priority (NJC) To all SF Bay Area JMDLers who would like to get together **this weekend,** or early next week: please e-mail me ASAP with your availability, and thoughts on where you'd like to meet! Those who have my cell phone number, please feel free to use it. Am enjoying Berkeley/Oakland, and looking forward to meeting/re-meeting you soon. Take care, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:15:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: under [Alison] NJC i agree, & why can't we see him? >and to the republic for richard sands, one nation under god, invisible... Victor writes: << "One nation, under Allison, with mad libs and pretty blue eyes for all" >> Smurph says: >>And there's also that part of the Pledge of Allegiance that says, "And to the Republic, for Richard Sands?" Who the hell is he and why does he get mentioned?<< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:49:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Barandgrill **In this song, Joni is searching for respite from the hectic pace of the road, and endless choices that present themselves to someone new to fame and fortune ** This was a great take on the song, Ruthie! I enjoyed reading it very much. I'll add that in actuality when these things happened she had been in the studio working til the wee hours as opposed to being on the road. I only hope Jan is paying attention this time! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:49:55 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL artists available at CD Baby, njc "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" writes: >Now that I'm back on my feet financially, I'm able to buy music again. >Tonight I ordered two JMDL-related discs from CD Baby. > >You won't find CDs by Gregg Cagno (USA, New Jersey?), Fred Simon (USA, Chicago), >David Lahm (USA, New York City), Big Yellow Taxi (Denmark), Beth Patterson >(USA, New Orleans), Maurizio Falcone (Italia), Karen Goldberg (USA, >Baltimore), Alexandra Fortier, Louis Lynch, Don Rowe, or Shadows and Light. >How do we get these, guys? Thanks for asking. Some of my albums are available through retail outlets, both online and off, but some are available only directly through me. Anyone interested please e-mail me directly at frednow@aol.com for the whole scoop. Thanks, Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:17:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained Timothy White's last Billboard column featuring Joni, from September, in which she tells him about the follow up to BSN can be found here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/010908b.cfm Timothy White's final Billboard editorial, reminiscing about his early days at Rolling Stone magazine, and getting dosed at a party with the Blues Brothers (njc), from the July 6th issue: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/musictomyears/index.jsp > > Bob Murphy writes: > > > Billboard Editor-in-Chief and music journalist Timothy White died today at > > the age of 50. > > > > He is the author of 5 Joni-related articles in the JMDL database, > including > > one that features one of the best Joni interviews. You can find the entire > > article at: > > > > << http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/880317rl.cfm >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:40:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni in the cockpit? just have to share this little comment from my indiegrrl discussion list...we were discussing the logistics of flying with guitars these days... someone wrote: "Also a funny story Amy said at her gig last year. She boarded a Southwest Airlines plane with her guitar and there was no room for it. The pilot said he wouldn't mind it being in the cockpit. Amy plays in standard tuning and not in open tunings. When she got the guitar back it was in an open tuning. Looks like the pilot or co-pilot was jamming." another responded: "I LOVE THIS STORY! Maybe he was playing some Joni tunes..... maybe This Flight Tonight, or Amelia, or one of her other flying songs..." ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:42:55 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: John Entwhistle RIP njc At 6/27/2002 05:44 PM, darice@mindspring.com wrote: >I have just read on CNN, that John Entwhistle , >bassist for the Who has died. I was thinking tonight that The Who, unlike most other rock groups IMHO, were/are a group whose sound is highly defined by each of its individual members. When Paul, instead of Ringo, played the drums... they still sounded like the Beatles. All through their evolution of members, the Stones always sounded like the Stones. But, when Keith Moon died, the Who's sound dramatically changed. No one could play as Keith did. And now that John is gone, their sound (if they choose to go on) with take another dramatic turn as no one plays the bass like John. Same with Pete's unique power-chord guitar style, and Roger's inimitable voice. Truly The Who was a band made up of four individual and unique stylists, each of whom contributed - irreplaceably - to the overall sound. The song is over. Les NP: John Entwhistle "I Believe In Everything" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Barandgrill Wow! It would appear that another Joni Scholar has taken up the mantle! Well done, Ruth! Bravo! Lama - --- Engwall57@aol.com wrote: > In this song, Joni is searching for respite from the > hectic pace of the road, and endless choices that > present themselves to someone new to fame and > fortune > This is a very existential song. It has always been > one of my favorites. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #270 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?