From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #269 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 269 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Re: Julia Fordham review - (NJC) [Richard Goldman ] under God NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Upon Retirement, Difference between Men and Women, NJC ["Laurent Olszer"] Re: Julia Fordham reviews (joni content again) [Catherine Udall Turley ] Re: under God NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Julia Fordham and some JC [Russell Bowden] NJC one nation, under Norah, now. ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: under God NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: under god NJC ($) [anne@sandstrom.com] Barandgrill ["jan glas" ] Who bassist John Entwistle dies(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] John Entwhistle RIP (NJC) (no JB) [Darice(darice@mindspring.com)] Re: under God NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Who bassist John Entwistle dies(njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] John Entwistle (NJC) [CoyoteRick@aol.com] Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:50:15 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Re: Julia Fordham review - (NJC) I must say . . . I'm excited that Julia is coming up to SF this weekend, and performing for a whole hour on the MainStage of SFPride in front of City Hall in the Civic Center, on SATURDAY @ 2:45pm ! For free! She's also at a club here, Bimbo's ... Friday night... Gillian Welch is also in town Friday night. And there are a gazillion events going on with Pride. GAH! Anyway.... I'm going to catch her at the Pride Mainstage for sure. ~Richard And here's what SFGate.com reviewer had to say about her new CD: Julia Fordham hardly needs the duet vocal with India.Arie, the funky keyboard touches of Billy Preston or the background vocals of Was (Not Was)'s Sweet Pea Atkinson, Sir Harry Bowens and Willie Green to give her contemporary R&B cred on her brand-new CD Concrete Love. Since her 1989 self-titled debut, and through four subsequent albums for Virgin, the blond British chanteuse has flexed one of the most soulful voices in pop. She boasts an extraordinary four-octave voice, capable of soaring like Joni Mitchell's, but Fordham makes her most seductive moves in the smoldering sensuality of her dusky alto range, especially when she's singing about taking a bullet for her lover, wanting to get laid and preferring "good old plain concrete love" over "floating cloud talk." That said, the guest artists on her first recording for the Vanguard label, plus Larry Klein's elegantly groove-savvy production, help make it both the musically richest and frankly sexiest outing of her career -- perhaps just what she needs to get her over to a wider audience beyond her rabidly devoted cult following. - --D. Richardson, SF Gate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:36:12 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Linda Thompson on mp3.com (NJC - Yet!) Rounder have put up another track from the forthcoming 'Fashionably Late', her first new album in 17 years. http://www.mp3.com/Linda_Thompson 'All I See' includes Teddy Thompson on acoustic, Jerry Donahue on electric guitar, Dave Mattacks on drums with Teddy, Martha and Rufus Wainwright on backing vocals. According to Rounder's biography, "[Linda] remains obsessed with the deep British folk music that she and her circle reanimated with the electricity of rock and roll. Like all great folk singers - Sandy Denny in particular, Richard's partner in Fairport Convention in whose shadow she sometimes felt herself to stand - Linda Thompson has an ancient voice, wilting, wounded and wise. She sings with the conviction of an eyewitness of thieves, beggars, drunks, street urchins and circus freaks, spurned lovers and murdering swine, centuries-gone." From what I've heard so far, this look like being a fantastic ablum - great to hear Richard and Linda together again (with their kids) on 'Dear Mary' - and particularly looking forward to hearing 'No Telling' with Kate Rusby on acoustic guitar and harmony vocals. All the best PaulC PS Not sure how long it will be up, but you should also be able to hear 'All I See' in the Across the Pond Music Net Station playlist for the next day or two - http://www.mp3.com/stations/acrossthepond [along with Cagno, of course!] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: bruce cockburn project NJC http://cockburnproject.net/frames.html thought you king bruce fans would enjoy this one. :-) Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:01:27 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: under God NJC I will be the differing voice here. The phrase "under God" was not a part of the original Pledge of Allegiance, it was added in 1954 by an act of Congress to inculcate, as President Eisenhower said, American school children with confession of the Judeo-Christian God in the face of godless Communisim. Thus the phrase "under God" was clearly a law passed for religious establishment, and thus clearly unconstitutional. Why not "under Allah" or "under Tiamat" (my favorite Mesapotamian god) or "under Vishnu"? When the pledge is said in school, it is clearly coercive on any chiuld who does not wish to say the words "under God" and that is just the way it is. Be the chilsd who refuses toi say the pledge with "under God" in it - look at the adults as it is, falling all over themselves to denouce something that they have no understanding of because there are tv sound bites to make while they wrap themselves around their pro-Godness in an election year. A true conservative would honor the original Pledge, without the phrase "under God" and understand the court's ruling that the power of the state in the public school cannot endorse a belief in a particular deity. Is that so hard to understand? Is that so hard to understand? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:39:25 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Upon Retirement, Difference between Men and Women, NJC This reminds me of an old joke about the difference between men and women: Women marry men hoping they'll change, and they don't. Men marry women hoping they won't change, and they do. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:20:55 -0700 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Re: Julia Fordham reviews (joni content again) Hi all-- Thanks for posting those reviews of Julia Fordham's new record. I was also at her I Spy Show in Seattle on Tuesday, and am still on a happy Julia wave. What bothered me about the Houston Chronicle review is that the writer seemed to say that Julia=Joni : >>Short of taking up painting and becoming a Canadian citizen, Julia Fordham has done all she can to enhance her link to Joni Mitchell. << Duh. It seems to me that this is the product of deadline pressure and a writer desperately in search of a comparison--so why not go for the most obvious one--two blonde girls with guitars! Of course JM is an influence on JF, but in the same way that Joni is an influence for artists like Prince or Elvis Costello--lots to learn from her, but you don't necessarily *hear* Joni in their music, the way you can in say Shawn Colvin's (as someone recently mentioned) or in Thomas Dolby's "The Flat Earth" or in any number of other artists who quote or borrow from Joni pretty directly. After Julia's Tuesday show, my ever lovely and patient Tom, who was not very acquainted with JF's work, said that he heard alot of 70s soul, Motown, Brazilian and 60s pop music influences in her show, but not a mention of Joni (with whom is has been forced to be acquainted :-) Now for a Julia/Joni story, from the June 12th issue of Venice Magazine: >> Venice Magazine: When did you meet Larry (Klieg)? JF: In '92. I was going to worship at the feet of of his former wife, Joni Mitchell, who was appearing at an art gallery. My friend and I were gazing longingly at at Joni as she was shaking hands, wishing that we could talk to her, but not having the courage and not wanting to bother her. By magical coincidence, Joni walked by me, stopped before me and raised her eyebrows as if to say "Yes?" I immediately took the opportunity to say "Oh my God, my name's Julia and I'm a singer and I'm a huge fan." And she said "I know who you are! You're Julia Fordham. I like what you've been saying. My husband loves you." I was off my head. She's my absolute number-one favorite. << Off my head indeed! Cardiac arrest, perhaps . . . I love this story because it finally documents an instance of what I've often suspected may be true, but is seldom reported (in the press, at least)--that Joni is quite capable of appreciating and being gracious about what the kids are up to. Anyway, Julia . . Joni . . . music music music . . . its all good. Regards, Catherine T. loving the June Gloom in Seattle n.p.: "Sunday" from Bowie's new one A little bonus for JF fans: go to www.concretelove.com and you can enter a contest to see her live in Northern California in Sept., and you can also download an exclusive unreleased song, "Funny Guy." (An out take definitely, but of interest to the rabidly devoted :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: under God NJC i prefer to say, one nation, under elvis, indivisible... what is so wrong about "one nation, indivisible, with liberty..."? you know, the way it was BEFORE? isn't the whole premise of our little country that we are indivisible DESPITE or BECAUSE of the fact that we get to choose to worship whatever god we want? or none at all? what if i want to say, under goddesses? anybody offended there? and does it not seem a little odd that people are getting their panties in a wad over removing a phrase that has been part of the allegiance for less than half it's life? and what about the fact that they refused to put the word equality in, because a lot of people didn't particularly want equality for some? like women and blacks? i say bring on the change. worship your god in your home, at your church, in your car, on the street, whereever. but let me have the separation of church and state. i happen to really like that part of our country, as elusive and threatened as it is these days. wavin the flag, alison e. in slc np: wfuv's tower concert - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > I will be the differing voice here. > > The phrase "under God" was not a part of the > original Pledge of > Allegiance, it was added in 1954 by an act of > Congress to inculcate, as > President Eisenhower said, American school children > with confession of > the Judeo-Christian God in the face of godless > Communisim. > > Thus the phrase "under God" was clearly a law passed > for religious > establishment, and thus clearly unconstitutional. > Why not "under Allah" > or "under Tiamat" (my favorite Mesapotamian god) or > "under Vishnu"? > > When the pledge is said in school, it is clearly > coercive on any chiuld > who does not wish to say the words "under God" and > that is just the way > it is. Be the chilsd who refuses toi say the pledge > with "under God" in > it - look at the adults as it is, falling all over > themselves to denouce > something that they have no understanding of because > there are tv sound > bites to make while they wrap themselves around > their pro-Godness in an > election year. > > > (the Rev) Vince Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:28:52 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: under God NJC > i prefer to say, one nation, under elvis, > indivisible... > what is so wrong about > "one nation, indivisible, with liberty..."? you know, > the way it was BEFORE? > isn't the whole premise of our little country that we > are indivisible DESPITE or BECAUSE of the fact that we > get to choose to worship whatever god we want? or none > at all? what if i want to say, under goddesses? > anybody offended there? > Amen sister! Can I get a few amens!!! One station, under Jerry, indivisable, with terrapins and dancing bears for all... Victor, pondering emptiness and enlightenment NP: Norah Jones...she has just knocked me off my feet...I'm completely useless now... - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:07:53 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Julia Fordham and some JC Gang, All this talk about Julia now! She is one of the headliners (along with Janis Ian) at this weekend's San Francisco Gay, Lez, Bi, Transgender, Questioning, Uncertain, Maybe, Thinking about it Pride Parade. I've contacted City Arts and Lectures here in SF to see if they might invite Joni to one of their programs (as guest) The show is broadcast on NPR, and is usually very interesting, informative and entertaining. I'll keep you posted on what feedback I get. (The show is recorded at Herbst Theater here in SF in front of a live audience) Love, Russell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:10:05 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: NJC one nation, under Norah, now. a pondering Victor is: <> *NOW* can i hear an "amen," brethren?? i saw Norah live last night, and wow wow wow she's good. if you haven't bought her disc, go do so. right now. if you can go see her before the rest of the world catches on, do it. but hurry. cindy why are you still reading? did i *tell* you to get yer ass to the store to buy her disc?? go! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:53:01 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: under God NJC ABSOLUTELY!!!!! How about One nation, under the Dali....or under azure skies? Love and Peace...Sharon Alison E wrote: > > i prefer to say, one nation, under elvis, > indivisible... > what is so wrong about > "one nation, indivisible, with liberty..."? you know, > the way it was BEFORE? > isn't the whole premise of our little country that we > are indivisible DESPITE or BECAUSE of the fact that we > get to choose to worship whatever god we want? or none > at all? what if i want to say, under goddesses? > anybody offended there? > and does it not seem a little odd that people are > getting their panties in a wad over removing a phrase > that has been part of the allegiance for less than > half it's life? and what about the fact that they > refused to put the word equality in, because a lot of > people didn't particularly want equality for some? > like women and blacks? > i say bring on the change. worship your god in your > home, at your church, in your car, on the street, > whereever. but let me have the separation of church > and state. i happen to really like that part of our > country, as elusive and threatened as it is these > days. > wavin the flag, > alison e. in slc > np: wfuv's tower concert > > --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > > I will be the differing voice here. > > > > The phrase "under God" was not a part of the > > original Pledge of > > Allegiance, it was added in 1954 by an act of > > Congress to inculcate, as > > President Eisenhower said, American school children > > with confession of > > the Judeo-Christian God in the face of godless > > Communisim. > > > > Thus the phrase "under God" was clearly a law passed > > for religious > > establishment, and thus clearly unconstitutional. > > Why not "under Allah" > > or "under Tiamat" (my favorite Mesapotamian god) or > > "under Vishnu"? > > > > When the pledge is said in school, it is clearly > > coercive on any chiuld > > who does not wish to say the words "under God" and > > that is just the way > > it is. Be the chilsd who refuses toi say the pledge > > with "under God" in > > it - look at the adults as it is, falling all over > > themselves to denouce > > something that they have no understanding of because > > there are tv sound > > bites to make while they wrap themselves around > > their pro-Godness in an > > election year. > > > > > > (the Rev) Vince > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: under God NJC > > "one nation, indivisible, with liberty..."? you know, > > the way it was BEFORE? > > isn't the whole premise of our little country that we > > are indivisible DESPITE or BECAUSE of the fact that we > > get to choose to worship whatever god we want? or none > > at all? what if i want to say, under goddesses? > > anybody offended there? > > > > > Amen sister! Can I get a few amens!!! I'll add a big AMEN! And while we're at it, let's take off the "In God We Trust" from our currency. Besides, I've always thought that was silly, kind of like "Please, God, don't let this check bounce..." :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: under god NJC ($) > I don't believe anyone should be required to say the pledge but those who do should certainly not be considered "lawbreakers." On the other hand, why not just change it back to the original? > What next? Abolishing the word "God" on our currency? Well, as I've already stated (since my email comes in in reverse), I've always thought we should do that. Why do we have to trust in God? The trust in a transaction is in those parties undertaking the transaction. Ane we trust the government to mint money that has value. Let's face it, God's not going to come in and pay up your 21% credit card debt, so he/she/it has nothing to do with currency. So, now that I've said all this, I' m off to find out the legal status of the Pledge of Allegiance. Is it considered government sponsored, or in some way officially affiliated with the government? If so, then "under God" shouldn't be part of it. If, on the other hand, it's a poem, just as "God Bless America" is a song that poplular, but not the national anthem, then the issue is cloudier. However, just from a copyright point of view, I'd rather it be returned to its original form. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:20:33 +0200 From: "jan glas" Subject: Barandgrill Dear people. I know that a while ago BARANDGRILL has been discussed, but i haven4t been paying attention. I am trying to play and sing Barandgrill these days. Especcially `guy at the gas pumps etc.` is one of Joni4s best stream of words to me. But what is barandgrill, just the best place to eat and be in those days, or is there more to it. Thanks in adv. Jan NP: Johnny Guitar Watson.`You4ve got a hard head` - ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: onlyJMDL Digest Aan: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Datum: donderdag 27 juni 2002 9:02 Onderwerp: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #185 >onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 27 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 185 > > > >The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be >found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, >a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > >The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains >interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. >========== > >TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >-------- > poem for over 40's [colin ] > oops sorry [colin ] > Covers 31....sweet! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] > Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout [Penny Raffle ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] > Re: Covers 31....sweet! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #184 [Pearlz2swine@aol.com] > Gentle reminder (please forgive lack of tag) [Lori in MD Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout ["kakki" Tori's Joni reference SJC ["S M" ] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:21:53 +0100 >From: colin >Subject: poem for over 40's > >A POEM FOR COMPUTER USERS OVER 40 > >A computer was something on TV >From a Science Fiction show of note, >A window was something you hated to clean >And ram was the father of a goat. > >Meg was the name of my girlfriend >And gig was a job for the night. >Now they all mean different things >And that really mega bytes. > >An application was for employment >A program was a TV show >A cursor was someone using profanity >A keyboard was part of a piano. > > A memory was something you lost with age > A CD was a bank account, >And if you had a 3-in. floppy > You hoped nobody found out. > >Compress was something you did to the garbage >Not something you did to a file >And if you unzipped anything in public >You'd be in jail for a while. > >Log on was adding wood to the fire >Hard drive was a long trip on the road >A mouse pad was where a mouse lived > And a backup happened to your commode. > >Cut you did with a pocket knife > Paste you did with glue >A web was a spider's home > And a virus was the flu. > >I guess I'll stick to my pad and paper >And the memory in my head. > I hear nobody's been killed in a computer crash >But when it happens they wish they were dead. > > > >- -- >bw >colin >DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, >Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 > >colin@tantra-apso.com >http://www.tantra-apso.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:23:32 +0100 >From: colin >Subject: oops sorry > >sorry-forgot the NJC > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:55:16 -0700 >From: "Bree Mcdonough" >Subject: Covers 31....sweet! > >Hello Bob and Everyone, > >(BOB, you out did yourself this time!! Good searching.....nice finds) > >I have been listening to covers 31 and how sweet it is! Highlights for me >would be....Jeanne Newhall-HOSL,(it nice to hear this one because I don't >believe I've heard it done by anyone else but Joni) Cheryl Fisher-MATW(I >love this song.....Cheryl does a decent job. Nice jazzy backdrop)Courtney >Lawsing-UFG ( But she's got the urge for going...So I guess she'll have to >go. She sings this the way I think it can only be sung.....the words flow >quite nicely.) Tanya Chua-IDKWIS,(nice Jaco-like bass) Tori Amos-River. > >Oh..and my favorite Woodstock, by the choral group Something Extra. It is >so, so beautiful. Besides Joni version of Woodstock, this would have to be >my favorite version I have ever heard. A famous choir director commented >once that as long as a choir starts together and finishes together, it does >not much matter about the middle.(the audience remembers only the start and >finish) Well to this group... the middle does obviously matter. They just >captured this song for me. At our annual picnic this weekend... this will >be on the CD changer. :-) > >Thanks, Bob... and to all the contributors, too! > >Bree > >PS<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>I'm on the hunt for you.....<<<< > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:43:55 -0700 (PDT) >From: Penny >Subject: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout > >Found this Julia/Joni article this morning: > > >June 21, 2002, 1:45PM > >A widening landscape > >Fordham stretches creatively on new 'Concrete' album >By MICHAEL D. CLARK >Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle > > >Concrete Love >Julia Fordham >Vanguard > >Short of taking up painting and becoming a Canadian citizen, Julia Fordham >has done all she can to enhance her link to Joni Mitchell. > > Her new album, Concrete Love, draws her a bit closer. With help from >Vanguard Records producer Larry Klein -- a longtime Mitchell collaborator >and Mitchell's ex-husband -- Fordham is finding her own voice, too. > >From the up-tempo swing improvisations of It's Another You Day to the >dusky Foolish Thing and Missing Man, Klein teaches Fordham that attracting >Mitchell-level respect means expanding her range, not simply imitation. >The standout track Roadside Angel, co-written by Klein and featuring Sweet >Pea Atkinson as a backing vocalist, finds the singer exploring the soft >soul that once was the territory of Minnie Riperton. > >Getting comfortable with music she's not known for is a much bolder >Joni-esque statement than simply trying to remake Help Me or Big Yellow >Taxi. > > On Concrete Love, Julia Fordham works her comparisons to Joni Mitchell, >but is clearly carving out her own niche. >Fordham reaches beyond expectations most successfully on the duet >Alleluia. Using Hammond B-3 organ chords as a tuning fork by Houstonian >Billy Preston, she trumps country-rocker Joe Henry, beating him to the >soul of this hosanna. > >Fordham can't prevail over all comers, though. With Preston on the keys >again, she joins seven-time Grammy nominee India.Arie on the low-lit urban >landscape of the title track. Fordham wrote the track, but she is just a >spectator on Arie's streets. > >Fans of simpler Fordham efforts will not feel abandoned by the widening >landscape of Concrete Love. The folksy Italy has a simple premise that >might have come to her over a cup of coffee. And the naughty poetry of >Wake Up With You (The I Wanna Song) possesses the crowded couplets and >bedroomspeak that make Alanis Morissette so alluring. > >The contrast of styles on Concrete Love is definitely leading Fordham >closer to her own Court and Spark. >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:51:48 -0500 >From: "Sharon L. Buffington" >Subject: Raffle > >Hello all Joni fans... > >Just a wee reminder to let you know we are going to step up the word on >contributing for the JoniFest raffle. I have received missives from a >number of you who have graciously and generously made donations. >However, it would be great to have contributions from more of you. I >realize this is a busy time and that many of you may be thinking about >what to bring or send. But...the raffle is fun and the money all goes >to ensure the continuation of this site. > > Got to be a winner trophy winner > Get to hold your head up high up > Number one > >So...dig deeply and let me know about your wonderful raffle items. > >Love and Peace....Sharon > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:40:03 -0400 >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: Re: Covers 31....sweet! > >> (BOB, you out did yourself this time!! Good searching.....nice finds) > >Hey, thanks Bree! I'll be making my "formal" announcement in a couple of days, but I'm very glad you're digging it now. > >< believe I've heard it done by anyone else but Joni)>> > >VERY nice version - you're right, it's not a common Joni cover, and Jeanne does a super job. Thanks to my Pally Jody for that one! > ><> love this song.....Cheryl does a decent job. Nice jazzy backdrop)>> > >This is the ONLY Moon at the Window cover I'm aware of, so I was very excited to find out about it & get it. "Decent" is pretty apt...Cheryl's vocals are not what I'd hoped for. > ><> > >My first thought as well, that it sounds like Jaco. > ><> so, so beautiful. Besides Joni version of Woodstock, this would have to be >> my favorite version I have ever heard.>> > >The first time I heard it I was weepin' like a toddler because I thought it was so gorgeous. I'm glad you feel the same! :~) > >Bob, VP of covers > >NP: The Rolling Stones, "2120 South Michigan Avenue" > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:55:45 EDT >From: Pearlz2swine@aol.com >Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #184 > >In a message dated 6/26/02 12:02:00 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: > ><< I saw Joni and Bruce Cockburn on the same bill at the Mariposa Folk >Festival in Toronto, summer 1968. Bruce filled in for Neil Young, who >didn't show. So, I think there are way fewer than six degrees >separating them. >> > >Now that's the kind of connection I was looking for! From now on I will be >very careful when asking the JMDL innocent questions. I am still addicted to >the acoustic version of >Lovers in a Dangerous Time..and I knew there had to be a stronger Joni >connection than >Shawn Colvin..etc.etc. By the Shawn Colvin way..don't you think the finger >plucking at the start of "The facts about Jimmy" (from "A few small repairs") >sounds so very much like Amelia? Uh oh that's a question. >Pearl NP--Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Micheal Brooks "Star Rose" > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:39:53 -0700 (PDT) >From: Lori in MD >Subject: Gentle reminder (please forgive lack of tag) > >Hi Everybody! > >Just a gentle reminder from the Anal Retentive One (that's me) ... > >When replying to a post from the digest, please be sure to copy and paste (or type) the thread name in the subject line. > >In other words, "Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #251" > >becomes "Re: Choosing a name" > >It makes it a lot easier for everyone to follow along! (Also helps with researching threads!) > >Thanks ... > >Hugs to all, >Lori > >~ >Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:57:22 -0700 >From: "kakki" >Subject: Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout > >Thanks for sending the review, Penny. But I wonder how Julia and her >fans/list may have reacted to it. I found the reviewer very condescending >in portraying her as some kind of "Joni-wannabe." As far as I'm concerned >she has always stood completely on her own and other than sharing an immense >talent in voice and songwriting with Joni, she has never been "like" Joni at >all to my ears. She is completely unique. Then he makes it sound like all >the credit for her new album or new "direction" goes to Klein. Puleeze! She >has created a number of incredible and outstanding prior albums without the >assistance of Mr. Klein, thankyouverymuch. And she is not just now starting >to explore her "Minnie Riperton" soul side, either. She has always had the >range of Minnie and has always showed it off beautifully. "Carving her >niche" blah, blah > >BAH!! > >Kakki, getting increasingly crankier in her old age ;-) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:22:22 +0000 >From: "S M" >Subject: Tori's Joni reference SJC > >Hi everybody, > >I ran across this comment on Joni that Tori made recently and thought I'd >post it. > >TOYAH WILCOX: "And Jonis' spirit is embodied even more by Tori Amos, >currently one of the worlds top singer-sonwriters. > >TORI: "She took the clay and moulded it in a way we hadn't seen before. >If you really sort of analyse songwriting at that time, male or female, >what she was doing with her structures an' her use of melody an' her >poetry and the voice too, you know that's just one of the gifts that >we've had. > >Stephanie Morrison > >- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > >------------------------------ > >End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #185 >********************************* > >------- >Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- >Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:44:53 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Who bassist John Entwistle dies(njc) LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - John Entwistle, bassist for the rock group The Who, died on Thursday in Las Vegas shortly before the group was scheduled to begin a concert tour, according to Clark County Coroner's office in Las Vegas. He was 57 years old. The cause of death was still under investigation, coroner Ron Flud said. - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:50:28 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Julia Fordham reviews (joni content again) In a message dated 27/06/02 18:03:25 GMT Daylight Time, catherine.turley@verizon.net writes: << JF: In '92. I was going to worship at the feet of of his former wife, Joni Mitchell, who was appearing at an art gallery. My friend and I were gazing longingly at at Joni as she was shaking hands, wishing that we could talk to her, but not having the courage and not wanting to bother her. By magical coincidence, Joni walked by me, stopped before me and raised her eyebrows as if to say "Yes?" I immediately took the opportunity to say "Oh my God, my name's Julia and I'm a singer and I'm a huge fan." And she said "I know who you are! You're Julia Fordham. I like what you've been saying. My husband loves you." I was off my head. She's my absolute number-one favorite. >> I WAS THERE!! I SEE'D IT ALL!!! I've written about this before, I'm sure, but anyway... I was at the press opening of her "Diary of a decade" exhibition in London (having met her when she recorded an interview for local radio, and her having invited me and my friend Ian, another huge Jonifan, to the event). We were spotting celebs - "ooh look, there's Roger Waters" - when Ian piped up with "There's what's-her-name, Woman of the 80s [a song from Julia's first album]". So we kept tabs on her, and as the evening drew to a close, it appeared that Joni was about to leave. She spotted us and gave us a smile of recognition, and then swept out - with Julia in tow!! We both thought at the time that it was probably the first time they'd met, and that Julia had inveigled her way into the small entourage, in the nicest possible way. And now I know we were right! Azeem on London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:28:29 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Who bassist John Entwistle dies(njc) A damn fine bass player, Etwistle was also the high harmony singer in the band, at least on stage. His work on "Tommy" is such an integral part of the arrangements, and as distinctive and inventive as Moon's drumwork. Here's to you, Sir John. RR "My Wife" My life's in jeopardy Murdered in cold blood is what I'm gonna be I ain't been home since Friday night And now my wife is coming after me Give me police protection Gonna buy a gun so I can look after number one Give me a bodyguard A back belt Judo expert with a machine gun Gonna buy a tank and an aeroplane When she catches up with me Won't be no time to explain She thinks I've been with another woman And that's enough to send her half insane Gonna buy a fast car Put on my lead boots And take a long, long drive I may end up spending all my money But I'll still be alive All I did was have a bit too much to drink And I picked the wrong precinct Got picked up by the law And now I ain't got time to think Gonna buy a tank and an aeroplane When she catches up with me Won't be no time to explain She thinks I've been with another woman And that's enough to send her half insane Gonna buy a fast car Put on my lead boots And take a long, long drive I may end up spending all my money But I'll still be alive And I'm oh so tired of running Gonna lay down on the floor I gotta rest some time so I can get to run some more She's comin'! She's comin'! [ www.azlyrics.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:31:29 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Turnbulent" Indigo (NJC) I think that was "Flatulent Indigo" > Listed for sale on eBay: "Turnbulent Indigo". Do you suppose this Weird Al Yankovic's take on TI? > > : D > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:44:50 -0400 From: Darice(darice@mindspring.com) Subject: John Entwhistle RIP (NJC) (no JB) I am on digest , soplease excuse if this has already been posted. I have just read on CNN, that John Entwhistle , bassist for the Who has died. This is just one day before thay were to start the US tour and underlines, for me, the sadness of those years when the WHO did not record any new music. A fine musician , who will be sorely missed... Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:29:49 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: under God NJC In Canada, the national anthem contains the line "God keep our land glorious and free." Even when I was younger (and an altar boy) I was bothered by this reference. I've always thought of it as the sentiment of the songwriter and a few powerful white Christian men who chose the song as our anthem. What does God (if there is one) care about individual nations? How could any nation feel they are favoured in God's eyes? Where can that type of thinking lead? How about to holy wars and acts of terrorism in the name of a God that "is on our side?" This comic by Ruben Bolling says it all: http://www.ucomics.com/tomthedancingbug/viewtd.cfm?uc_full_date=20020406&uc_ comic=td&uc_daction=X Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:29:04 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: under God NJC Alison wrote: > i prefer to say, one nation, under elvis, > indivisible... what is so wrong about > "one nation, indivisible, with liberty..."? you know, > the way it was BEFORE? That's right - you probably already know this but the original pledge was written by Francis Bellamy, a Socialist Baptist Minister. Here is a link to the background http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history/pledge.htm I read somewhere else that Bellamy thought about adding the word "equality" but thought it too "politically incorrect" for the time when blacks and women were not considered equal by some (so his pledge would not be as popular as he would like at the time). > and does it not seem a little odd that people are > getting their panties in a wad over removing a phrase > that has been part of the allegiance for less than > half it's life? Interestingly, Peter Rodino, a fierce opponent of prayer in public schools (and one of the chief figures in Nixon's impeachment hearings), was a co-sponsor of the bill to add "under God." Rodino also has come out against the ruling. See here http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1025169006122821.xml My thoughts on the change is that a lot of people in the past felt uncomfortable and offended by pledging an allegiance to "the state" as if one must recognize "the state" as the "highest power" inherent in the original pledge. I think to mollify many people who that offended, the "under God" may have been added so as to soften the perception that one may be placing allegiance to man and the state as their highest duty. There were many, and still are many in the U.S. who do not consider the state as the highest power, but rather that there is a greater spiritual power, individual to each, which many follow over the dictates of "state." This debate has been heard many times in the courts over the past almost 60 years. The body of previous case/common law has held that the statement "under God" is de miminus - meaning that, at least in the past, the courts and the people commonly felt that such a term was so generic, minimal and all-encompassing of anyone's spiritual beliefs, that it did not rise to the standard of "establishing a state religion." Here is where I think some people have gotten their "panties in a wad" - this ruling makes it unlawful to include the word "God." This isn't like a bunch of people are casullay sitting around debating where to go to dinner and whether one prefers Mexican food or one prefers Thai. It has seriously legal implications. The court is ruling that it is against the law to include the word "God." What about the fact that the Declaration of Independence mentions "God" many times as do the oaths "so help me God" and the opening prayers referencing "God" already established in Congress and the Supreme Court? This ruling, if allowed to stand, opens the door to making unlawful all such references. So will we then have to censor the original words of the authors of the Declaration and never repeat them in a government funded school? Think that won't happen - ha! So some may say "who cares - that would be great." Others see it as a concerted, incremental erasure of all distinctive American history, culture and reality - BY LAW. That *should* be scary to some people if you really think about it. If the people who want such erasure of the past, decreed by law, succeed, I do hope that all those who compulsively preach their particular political idealogies in publically/government funded institutions such as schools and universities are also likewise prohibited from preaching what is most truly their individual "religion." > i say bring on the change. worship your god in your > home, at your church, in your car, on the street, > whereever. but let me have the separation of church > and state. I tend to say bring on the separation of state and individual freedom of expression. Personally, I never was too keen on having to recite a "pledge" everyday at school. I tend to think they should get rid of it completely. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:55:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Who bassist John Entwistle dies(njc) Wow, that's really a shocker. His work on Quadrophenia may be the best recorded electric bass ever. If you haven't ever just listened to the bass on some of those songs, do so and prepare to be amazed. Not just fast for the sake of playing fast, but always with a purpose. And he was a talented writer & vocalist too, as has been pointed out. Well done, good & faithful servant. Bob NP: Me'Shell, "Priorities" (another great disc from this lady) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:00:03 -0400 From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: John Entwistle (NJC) I just now heard on the San Diego radio station "the Planet" that John was taken from us due to a fatal heart attack. May he rest in total peace. He was too young. The Planet did a nice tribute of Who music and credited John for his part in the origination of Tommy and the advent of the rock opera. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:30:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Timothy White dead/The Tea Leaf Prophecy explained Billboard Editor-in-Chief and music journalist Timothy White died today at the age of 50. He is the author of 5 Joni-related articles in the JMDL database, including one that features one of the best Joni interviews. You can find the entire article at: << http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/880317rl.cfm >> It's a great read. The article is from March of 1988. I have included a bit of the interview below. In it, Joni tells the story behind "The Tea Leaf Prophecy," which I had never read, although I knew the song was the story of her parents and how they met during WWII. Timothy White: The Andrews Sisters era, of course, was World War II and its aftermath, a period that's the setting for "The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) " on Chalk Mark. It's such a wistful song. Tell me about it. Joni Mitchell: That song began as a music track that Larry wrote. For the lyric, I kept thinking about World War II and my parents' courtship, which was unusual in a prophetic way. My mother had been a country schoolteacher, and she had come to the town of Regina in Saskatchewan to work in a bank. It was wartime, and nearly all the men in the town had been shipped overseas. So there weren't many prospects for her, and she was a good-looking woman, thirty years oldbwhich was old for that time. There was a fancy hotel in that town that served high tea, and you had to wear hats and gloves in those days to get in. One day she and her girlfriend went over there just for the dress-up of it all. When they were finished, a gypsy came over and read her teacup and said, "You will be married within the month, and you will have a child within the yearband you'll die a long and agonizing death." The last part was a horrible and hideous thing for even a clairvoyant to tell anybody. My mother laughed in her face. She said, "This is ridiculous. Look at this town. There's no men left, just frail boys and babies." Two weeks went by, and a friend of a friend had a friend from out of town, and they put my mother and father together on a blind date and it was instant chemistry. My father had two weeks' leave. He said, "I know this is sudden Myrtle"bher name was Myrtle McKee; in the song it's Molly McKeeb"but would you marry me?" So they ran off to Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, and got hitched. I was born within the year, and to this day she feels a little funny about the rest of the prophecy, considering the odds of the other parts coming true. She's seventy-six, and she's never been sick a day in her life. I mean, she's a real germ fighter because she's convinced it's a germ that's gonna knock her down. She does yoga, Tai Chi, cross-country skiing, and doesn't even have a quaver in her voice yet. I say to her, "Don't worry about the gypsy, Mom. Two out of three ain't bad." The gypsy got it wrong. It's me who's gonna die the long and agonizing death, with my bad habits. But I had to ask her, "What made you marry Dad? You were so picky." And she said, "Because he looked so cute in his uniform." So that's in the song too. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #269 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?