From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #268 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 27 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 268 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC - Julia Fordham in Seattle [BRYAN8847@aol.com] birth parents njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC ["Paul Castle" ] Cagno up on mp3 (NJC - yet!) ["Paul Castle" ] poem for over 40's [colin ] oops sorry [colin ] Re: poem for over 40's (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Bruce Cockburn--NJC [Denny Giovanetti ] Stephen Bennett--NJC [Denny Giovanetti ] Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under [colin ] Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout [Penny ] Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Covers 31....sweet! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under [Alison E ] Re: graveyards - NJC now Bob the Geek [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: graveyards - NJC now Bob the Geek ["Sybil Skelton" ] NJC For men(str8) upon retirement [colin ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #184 [Pearlz2swine@aol.com] Naked NJC [colin ] Re: birth parents NJC [Mags N Brei ] NJC For men(str8) upon retirement [colin ] Re: Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC ["Paul Castle" ] Re: graveyards - NJC now Bob the Geek now boardgames ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: birth parents NJC [colin ] Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout ["kakki" ] Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout (NJC) ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:22:04 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: NJC - Julia Fordham in Seattle Well, I just got in from Julia's show at I Spy (small club) and I must urge you all to see her if she comes to your town! What a voice!!!!! Honest to God, there's no other voice like that in pop music (a four-octave range, I believe); it compares favorably to Joni in her prime (songwriting/composing not on Joni's level, but fine nonetheless). Anyway, the show was a breath of fresh air. The new album, Concrete Love, was produced by none other than Mr. L. Klein. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:56:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: birth parents njc >>all that said, for me, knowing is a thousand times better than not knowing. No question. << that is what i would have thought...especially since i think colin was asking about the child initiating the inquiry >>Is it always a good idea for children who for whatevrer reason don't know one or both birth parents to find them?<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:19:32 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC Lauren wrote: >Someone told me John is scheduled to appear in a London He's playing two nights at The Jazz Cafe on Monday 28th and Tuesday 29th October http://www.jazzcafe.co.uk and here's a link to his October/November UK tour dates with box office phone numbers and ticket prices http://home.wanadoo.nl/hvandenberk/2002%20tourdates.htm I see that that they've just released a 19-track double CD in the Voiceprint Collectors' series - John Martyn Live in Milan 1979 http://home.wanadoo.nl/hvandenberk/rare/col02-01.htm - with live versions of the usual suspects - May You Never - Solid Air - Bless the Weather, etc plus a c18 minute version of 'Outside in' - and as a bonus track (recorded in Turin - May '79), the first release of his version of 'Stay'. According to this muffnote: "Stay was written in 1953 by Maurice Williams and became a classic single. Upon its release in 1960 on Al Silver's Herald label, it became a number 1 hit for Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs and has been a popular favorite for decades since, revived in 1987 with its prominent use in the movie Dirty dancing." Who sang it in Dirty Dancing? The film was way before my time :-) All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:43:38 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: birth parents NJC > with all due respect Colin, no need to be annoyed(if you are). Like I said I don't undertsand. > the point I was trying to make is that "if" > you wanted the history/information...you 'could' get it. how? I have no access to any of my family's medical histories. None at all. Who would show them to me? It is against the law. I can't just go somewhere(where?) and demand to see the medical records of anyone, no matter the relationship to me. All my Dr knows about them is what i know, which is nothing. I think maybe the laws are different over there. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:29:55 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Cagno up on mp3 (NJC - yet!) My life is now complete (well,... nearly) - I can now listen to 'View From Here' at http://www.mp3.com/gregg_cagno or on my own station at http://www.mp3.com/stations/acrossthepond (with annotations) - scroll to track 4 My favourite part of the song - the gap after "flowered dress" It gives me time to go somewhere very lovely. Thanks Gregg PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:21:53 +0100 From: colin Subject: poem for over 40's A POEM FOR COMPUTER USERS OVER 40 A computer was something on TV From a Science Fiction show of note, A window was something you hated to clean And ram was the father of a goat. Meg was the name of my girlfriend And gig was a job for the night. Now they all mean different things And that really mega bytes. An application was for employment A program was a TV show A cursor was someone using profanity A keyboard was part of a piano. A memory was something you lost with age A CD was a bank account, And if you had a 3-in. floppy You hoped nobody found out. Compress was something you did to the garbage Not something you did to a file And if you unzipped anything in public You'd be in jail for a while. Log on was adding wood to the fire Hard drive was a long trip on the road A mouse pad was where a mouse lived And a backup happened to your commode. Cut you did with a pocket knife Paste you did with glue A web was a spider's home And a virus was the flu. I guess I'll stick to my pad and paper And the memory in my head. I hear nobody's been killed in a computer crash But when it happens they wish they were dead. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:23:32 +0100 From: colin Subject: oops sorry sorry-forgot the NJC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: poem for over 40's (njc) I couldn't resist adding the following verse: Scan was for horizons Print was your ABC's Boot was worn out in the snow And code was found in mysteries ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:12:09 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under >I am sure I have seen Nate somewhere before too. He could wash my socks >anytime. Peter Krause plays Nate. A couple seasons back he starred in the short lived, but phenomenally great "Sports Night" on TV - it was a half hour sitcom written by the same guy that does "West Wing", very intelligent and witty, but apparently I'm the only person in America that watched it. Oh dear, I feel a rant coming on about dim bulb sitcoms on television, so I'll just shut up. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:37:35 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now Sports Night > apparently I'm the only person in America that watched it. I saw a couple of those Sports Nights too, Sybil, and my wife saw them ALL I think...a great show but they didn't have a laugh track, so the typical American didn't know that it was funny or when to laugh! ;~) Bob NP: Robbie Robertson, "Fallen Angel" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:55:16 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Covers 31....sweet! Hello Bob and Everyone, (BOB, you out did yourself this time!! Good searching.....nice finds) I have been listening to covers 31 and how sweet it is! Highlights for me would be....Jeanne Newhall-HOSL,(it nice to hear this one because I don't believe I've heard it done by anyone else but Joni) Cheryl Fisher-MATW(I love this song.....Cheryl does a decent job. Nice jazzy backdrop)Courtney Lawsing-UFG ( But she's got the urge for going...So I guess she'll have to go. She sings this the way I think it can only be sung.....the words flow quite nicely.) Tanya Chua-IDKWIS,(nice Jaco-like bass) Tori Amos-River. Oh..and my favorite Woodstock, by the choral group Something Extra. It is so, so beautiful. Besides Joni version of Woodstock, this would have to be my favorite version I have ever heard. A famous choir director commented once that as long as a choir starts together and finishes together, it does not much matter about the middle.(the audience remembers only the start and finish) Well to this group... the middle does obviously matter. They just captured this song for me. At our annual picnic this weekend... this will be on the CD changer. :-) Thanks, Bob... and to all the contributors, too! Bree PS<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>I'm on the hunt for you.....<<<< _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:33:11 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC > Lauren wrote: > > >Someone told me John is scheduled to appear in a London > > He's playing two nights at The Jazz Cafe on Monday 28th and > Tuesday 29th October http://www.jazzcafe.co.uk > > and here's a link to his October/November UK tour dates with > box office phone numbers and ticket prices > http://home.wanadoo.nl/hvandenberk/2002%20tourdates.htm > > Thank you Paul. Are you planning to go to any of these? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:02:54 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: Graveyards - NJC Hi everyone - out of lurkerdom to talk non-Joni talk about graveyards. During the '60s when I was a kid living in Dexter, Maine, the graveyard was the coolest place to go. Perched on a hilltop overlooking beautiful rolling fields, it gave one a peaceful place to go where no one else was around to bother you. I was reminded of this last Friday when I went to another fabulous Boston-area Victorian cemetery created for strolling - name of Forest Hills. The occasion was the solstice, and the destination was chosen because the director of Forest Hills Educational Trust had put together a temporary art installation called "Spirits in the Trees." She is looking to revive the Victorian custom of using cemeteries to display contemporary art, and created this project as one of several she has going on. Anyone in the greater Boston area should make it a priority to take it in...it's amazing. The artists used the trees in magical ways. So count me among the Joni fans who sees beauty and finds a sense of peace in graveyards. best, Maggie Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:57:21 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC Jenny writes: << I think Marianne was wondering if enjoying the beauty of graveyards was a trait shared among many Joni fans, maybe even to a greater extent than the general population. >> Put me down for a big NO! on this question -- especially at night with an ice cream cone! I know the Mt. Auburn Cemetary of which Anne speaks. (I was born in the Mt. Auburn Hospital, which is a stone's throw away.) The cemetary is a beautiful place, sort of an upscale graveyard, as graveyards go, with the remains of lots of well-known Boston and Cambridge people buried there among some of the most spectacular landscaping in the Northeast. It's also sort of a tree museum because, like an arboretum, it has little cards on or near the trees that tell you each tree's Latin or horticultural name. But I wouldn't want to be in there at night after they lock the gates! And as for Frederick Law Olmstead, one of my heroes . . . you are right, Anne, about his involvement with NYC's Central Park, although I don't think he gets sole credit for its design. I think it was a collaboration of some sort, but I'm not sure. (One of the NYC Jonilistas will know.) I used to love going to Central Park when I lived in the city. I think it has a lot to do with keeping New Yorkers sane! One of Olmstead's greatest achievements, in my opinion, will always be Boston's 'Emerald Necklace' of parks and other green spaces. Take care, --Bob Maggie McNally Director of Special Events and Volunteer Services FleetBoston Celebrity Series 20 Park Plaza, Suite 1032 Boston, MA 02116 Direct line phone: 617-598-3220 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn--NJC There's a fine interview w/Bruce Cockburn from 1993, available at http://www.solidairrecords.com/AMR_interviews/cockburn.html It's mostly on guitar technique and songwriting. Great interview, highly recommended. - --- James Leahy wrote: >I saw Joni and Bruce Cockburn on the same bill at the Mariposa Folk >Festival in Toronto, summer 1968. Ahh, reminds me of Summer '70. Joni & Bruce Cockburn were on different days that year. First time I'd heard him, and I was knocked out by his understated delivery and incredible guitar work. Denny, sweltering in Arizona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under no, you're right! i did see that show a couple of times! it was really very good! and it had benson, who i love. robert guillame, for the 70's tv impaired. i loved that show, man. i would have watched that sports night show more, if i didn't hate watching sports so much! i couldn't wrap my head around the fact that i was watching a send-up of a real show for people who've spent the whole day watching sports, and need a specific show for additional sports analysis. or something. peter krause was good on it though! :-P alison e. in slc. npimh: "you get a free bowl of soup with that hat? looks good on YOU though." - --- Sybil Skelton wrote: > >I am sure I have seen Nate somewhere before too. He > could wash my socks > >anytime. > > Peter Krause plays Nate. A couple seasons back he > starred in the short > lived, but phenomenally great "Sports Night" on TV - > it was a half hour > sitcom written by the same guy that does "West > Wing", very intelligent and > witty, but apparently I'm the only person in America > that watched it. Oh > dear, I feel a rant coming on about dim bulb sitcoms > on television, so I'll > just shut up. > > Sybil > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Stephen Bennett--NJC Is anyone familiar with Stephen Bennett's guitar work? (Harp-guitar and National steel). I ask because I'm only familiar with one cut from a compilation, and I've been asked to host a house concert for him (we had Laurence Juber here in March, and LJ referred SB to me; which, in itself, is a recommendation). Answering off-list is fine with me. Thanks, Denny, about to drive to Phoenix, high expected around a hundred-zillion today! NPIMH: Canadian Sunset ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:43:06 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under > Oh > dear, I feel a rant coming on about dim bulb sitcoms on television, so I'll > just shut up. well don't know which you are treferring to! But I like: Ellen Grace Under Fire Frasier(brilliant) Will & Grace Friends has passed it's sell by date Dahrma & Greg Girlfriends Golden Girls don't like: Spin City Raymond Married With Children The one with Helen Hunt > > > Sybil > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout Found this Julia/Joni article this morning: June 21, 2002, 1:45PM A widening landscape Fordham stretches creatively on new 'Concrete' album By MICHAEL D. CLARK Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle Concrete Love Julia Fordham Vanguard Short of taking up painting and becoming a Canadian citizen, Julia Fordham has done all she can to enhance her link to Joni Mitchell. Her new album, Concrete Love, draws her a bit closer. With help from Vanguard Records producer Larry Klein -- a longtime Mitchell collaborator and Mitchell's ex-husband -- Fordham is finding her own voice, too. From the up-tempo swing improvisations of It's Another You Day to the dusky Foolish Thing and Missing Man, Klein teaches Fordham that attracting Mitchell-level respect means expanding her range, not simply imitation. The standout track Roadside Angel, co-written by Klein and featuring Sweet Pea Atkinson as a backing vocalist, finds the singer exploring the soft soul that once was the territory of Minnie Riperton. Getting comfortable with music she's not known for is a much bolder Joni-esque statement than simply trying to remake Help Me or Big Yellow Taxi. On Concrete Love, Julia Fordham works her comparisons to Joni Mitchell, but is clearly carving out her own niche. Fordham reaches beyond expectations most successfully on the duet Alleluia. Using Hammond B-3 organ chords as a tuning fork by Houstonian Billy Preston, she trumps country-rocker Joe Henry, beating him to the soul of this hosanna. Fordham can't prevail over all comers, though. With Preston on the keys again, she joins seven-time Grammy nominee India.Arie on the low-lit urban landscape of the title track. Fordham wrote the track, but she is just a spectator on Arie's streets. Fans of simpler Fordham efforts will not feel abandoned by the widening landscape of Concrete Love. The folksy Italy has a simple premise that might have come to her over a cup of coffee. And the naughty poetry of Wake Up With You (The I Wanna Song) possesses the crowded couplets and bedroomspeak that make Alanis Morissette so alluring. The contrast of styles on Concrete Love is definitely leading Fordham closer to her own Court and Spark. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:34:08 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Graveyards - NJC Maybe it's just where I'm from but neither the churches nor adjacent graveyards (churchyards we called them) were pretty places. They were never particularly big either. Being predominantly free-ish presbyterian up there in the Highlands of Scotland, the churches are dour and the policies around them similarly grave (excuse the pun). But they were beautiful in their plainness and serene. Most of them in my immediate area were near the sea so were blasted somewhat. Trees and bushes were stunted and some of the older markers in local sandstone evidenced the erosion of wind and rain. I fell in love for the first time when I was fifteen or sixteen, I think it was. All the supersensitivity that accompanied that time in my life along with the unreciprocated ardour made for delicious and extended bouts of melancholy. Some of which were spent in one graveyard in particular which in turn overlooked the house of the object of my desires and affections and the sea beyond. I must have appeared an odd rook perched on the graveyard wall, up on the hill against the sky in my regulation black and more black (de-rigueur for the time garment-wise)and waiting for a glimpse. ...I suppose that would be seen as stalking nowadays....ah well, how our world has changed. Les (now in London) npimh Our Town - Iris De Ment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:51:48 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Raffle Hello all Joni fans... Just a wee reminder to let you know we are going to step up the word on contributing for the JoniFest raffle. I have received missives from a number of you who have graciously and generously made donations. However, it would be great to have contributions from more of you. I realize this is a busy time and that many of you may be thinking about what to bring or send. But...the raffle is fun and the money all goes to ensure the continuation of this site. Got to be a winner trophy winner Get to hold your head up high up Number one So...dig deeply and let me know about your wonderful raffle items. Love and Peace....Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:14:35 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under > robert guillame, for the 70's tv impaired. Who is also a singer, and yes, he HAS recorded BSN. Haven't got it yet, but I haven't been aggressively chasing after it... Bob NP: Robbie Robertson, "Testimony" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:40:03 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 31....sweet! > (BOB, you out did yourself this time!! Good searching.....nice finds) Hey, thanks Bree! I'll be making my "formal" announcement in a couple of days, but I'm very glad you're digging it now. < believe I've heard it done by anyone else but Joni)>> VERY nice version - you're right, it's not a common Joni cover, and Jeanne does a super job. Thanks to my Pally Jody for that one! < love this song.....Cheryl does a decent job. Nice jazzy backdrop)>> This is the ONLY Moon at the Window cover I'm aware of, so I was very excited to find out about it & get it. "Decent" is pretty apt...Cheryl's vocals are not what I'd hoped for. <> My first thought as well, that it sounds like Jaco. < so, so beautiful. Besides Joni version of Woodstock, this would have to be > my favorite version I have ever heard.>> The first time I heard it I was weepin' like a toddler because I thought it was so gorgeous. I'm glad you feel the same! :~) Bob, VP of covers NP: The Rolling Stones, "2120 South Michigan Avenue" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under All roads lead to Joni! bob, i think you should audition for that show on comedy central called beat the geeks. i think you could kick that music geek's ass! then you could win some cash to help further your covers obsession...i mean project! alison e. in slc np: talk of the nation - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > robert guillame, for the 70's tv impaired. > > Who is also a singer, and yes, he HAS recorded BSN. > Haven't got it yet, but I haven't been aggressively > chasing after it... > > Bob > > NP: Robbie Robertson, "Testimony" Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:12:36 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now Bob the Geek > bob, i think you should audition for that show on > comedy central called beat the geeks.>> Funny you mention it, al...Nathan's buddies tell me the same thing when I go blabbing about music trivia. They were MOST impressed when I answered their question about Boxcar Racer's relation to Blink-182! I've got the "RPM" edition of Trivial Pursuit, and will be bringing it to the fest. I've already whupped van Tiel's butt, so who's next? :~) > then you could win some cash to help further your > covers obsession...i mean project! Ummm, I think you were right with that first description, but hey, everyone has their obsession, right? Bob NP: Rolling Stones, "Cool, Calm & Collected" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:56:02 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now Bob the Geek >They were MOST impressed when I answered their question about Boxcar >Racer's relation to Blink-182! Damn, and I was feeling smug just because I had ever HEARD of Boxcar Racer and Blink 182!! Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:56:24 +0100 From: colin Subject: under god NJC http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/26/pledge.allegiance/index.html - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:59:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: NJC For men(str8) upon retirement It is important for men to remember that as women grow older it becomes harder for them to maintain the same quality of housekeeping they did when they were younger. When men notice this, they should try not to yell. Let me relate how I handle the situation. When I chucked my job and took early retirement a year ago, it became necessary for Nancy to get a full-time job both for extra income and for health insurance benefits that we need. She was a trained lab tech when we met thirty some years ago and was fortunate to land a job at the local medical center as a phlebotomist. It was shortly after she started working at this job that I noticed that she was beginning to show her age. I usually get home from fishing or hunting about the same time she gets home from work. Although she knows how hungry I am, she almost always says that she has to rest for half an hour or so before she starts supper. I try not to yell at her when this happens. Instead, I tell her to take her time. I understand that she is not as young as she used to be. I just tell her to wake me when she finally does get supper on the table. She used to wash and dry the dishes as soon as we finished eating. It is now not unusual for them to sit on the table for several hours after supper. I do what I can by reminding her several times each evening that they aren't cleaning themselves. I know she appreciates this, as it does seem to help her get them done before she goes to bed. Our washer and dryer are in the basement. When she was younger, Nancy used to be able to go up and down the stairs all day and not get tired. Now that she is older she seems to get tired so much more quickly. Sometimes she says she just can't make another trip down those steps. I don't make a big issue of this. As long as she finishes up the laundry the next evening I am willing to overlook it. Not only that, but unless I need something ironed to wear to the Monday's lodge meeting or to Wednesday's or Saturday's poker club or to Tuesday's or Thursday's bowling or something like that, I will tell her to wait until the next evening to do the ironing. This gives her a little more time to do some of those odds and ends things like shampooing the dog, vacuuming, or dusting. Also, if I have had a really good day fishing, this allows her to gut and scale the fish at a more leisurely pace. Nancy is starting to complain a little occasionally. Not often, mind you, but just enough for me to notice. For example, she will say that it is difficult for her to find time to pay the monthly bills during her lunch hour. In spite of her complaining, I continue to try to offer encouragement. I tell her to stretch it out over two or even three days. That way she won't have to rush so much. I also remind her that missing lunch completely now and then wouldn't hurt her any, if you know what I mean. When doing simple jobs she seems to think she needs more rest periods than she used to have to take. A couple of weeks ago she said she had to take a break when she was only half finished mowing the yard. I overlook comments like these because I realize it's just age talking. In fact, I try to not embarrass her when she needs these little extra rest breaks. I tell her to fix herself a nice, big, cold glass of freshly squeezed lemonade and just sit for a while. I tell her that as long as she is making one for herself, she may as well make one for me and take her break by the hammock so she can talk with me until I fall asleep. I could go on and on, but I think you know where I'm coming from. I know that I probably look like a saint in the way I support Nancy on a daily basis. I'm not saying that the ability to show this much consideration is easy. Many men will find it difficult. Some will find it impossible. No one knows better than I do how frustrating women can become as they get older. My purpose in writing this is simply to suggest that you make the effort. I realize that achieving the exemplary level of showing consideration I have attained is out of reach for the average man. However guys, even if you just yell at your wife a little less often because of this article, I will consider that writing it was worthwhile. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:55:45 EDT From: Pearlz2swine@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #184 In a message dated 6/26/02 12:02:00 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << I saw Joni and Bruce Cockburn on the same bill at the Mariposa Folk Festival in Toronto, summer 1968. Bruce filled in for Neil Young, who didn't show. So, I think there are way fewer than six degrees separating them. >> Now that's the kind of connection I was looking for! From now on I will be very careful when asking the JMDL innocent questions. I am still addicted to the acoustic version of Lovers in a Dangerous Time..and I knew there had to be a stronger Joni connection than Shawn Colvin..etc.etc. By the Shawn Colvin way..don't you think the finger plucking at the start of "The facts about Jimmy" (from "A few small repairs") sounds so very much like Amelia? Uh oh that's a question. Pearl NP--Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Micheal Brooks "Star Rose" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:06:17 +0100 From: colin Subject: Naked NJC I was wtaching a rpogramme called Naked last night. They were interviewing peolle about ageing and the change in bodies etc. Rather graphic. willies and boobs don't age well. Anyway, they were talking about getiting grey pubes, nose hair, ear hair, loss of supplemness etc. I got a shock when I relaised these people were MY age group!!!!! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: birth parents NJC I promise everyone, this is my last post on the subject. Colin, I was referring to adopted persons only, in Canada and I believe in North American are not allowed to gain access to any medical history. oh nevermind. I cant explain this properly, obviously. enough. Mags. - --- colin wrote: > > with all due respect Colin, > > no need to be annoyed(if you are). Like I said I don't undertsand. > > > the point I was trying to make is that "if" > > you wanted the history/information...you 'could' get it. > > how? I have no access to any of my family's medical histories. None > at all. > Who would show them to me? > It is against the law. I can't just go somewhere(where?) and demand > to see > the medical records of anyone, no matter the relationship to me. All > my Dr > knows about them is what i know, which is nothing. > > I think maybe the laws are different over there. > bw > colin ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:59:29 +0100 From: colin Subject: NJC For men(str8) upon retirement It is important for men to remember that as women grow older it becomes harder for them to maintain the same quality of housekeeping they did when they were younger. When men notice this, they should try not to yell. Let me relate how I handle the situation. When I chucked my job and took early retirement a year ago, it became necessary for Nancy to get a full-time job both for extra income and for health insurance benefits that we need. She was a trained lab tech when we met thirty some years ago and was fortunate to land a job at the local medical center as a phlebotomist. It was shortly after she started working at this job that I noticed that she was beginning to show her age. I usually get home from fishing or hunting about the same time she gets home from work. Although she knows how hungry I am, she almost always says that she has to rest for half an hour or so before she starts supper. I try not to yell at her when this happens. Instead, I tell her to take her time. I understand that she is not as young as she used to be. I just tell her to wake me when she finally does get supper on the table. She used to wash and dry the dishes as soon as we finished eating. It is now not unusual for them to sit on the table for several hours after supper. I do what I can by reminding her several times each evening that they aren't cleaning themselves. I know she appreciates this, as it does seem to help her get them done before she goes to bed. Our washer and dryer are in the basement. When she was younger, Nancy used to be able to go up and down the stairs all day and not get tired. Now that she is older she seems to get tired so much more quickly. Sometimes she says she just can't make another trip down those steps. I don't make a big issue of this. As long as she finishes up the laundry the next evening I am willing to overlook it. Not only that, but unless I need something ironed to wear to the Monday's lodge meeting or to Wednesday's or Saturday's poker club or to Tuesday's or Thursday's bowling or something like that, I will tell her to wait until the next evening to do the ironing. This gives her a little more time to do some of those odds and ends things like shampooing the dog, vacuuming, or dusting. Also, if I have had a really good day fishing, this allows her to gut and scale the fish at a more leisurely pace. Nancy is starting to complain a little occasionally. Not often, mind you, but just enough for me to notice. For example, she will say that it is difficult for her to find time to pay the monthly bills during her lunch hour. In spite of her complaining, I continue to try to offer encouragement. I tell her to stretch it out over two or even three days. That way she won't have to rush so much. I also remind her that missing lunch completely now and then wouldn't hurt her any, if you know what I mean. When doing simple jobs she seems to think she needs more rest periods than she used to have to take. A couple of weeks ago she said she had to take a break when she was only half finished mowing the yard. I overlook comments like these because I realize it's just age talking. In fact, I try to not embarrass her when she needs these little extra rest breaks. I tell her to fix herself a nice, big, cold glass of freshly squeezed lemonade and just sit for a while. I tell her that as long as she is making one for herself, she may as well make one for me and take her break by the hammock so she can talk with me until I fall asleep. I could go on and on, but I think you know where I'm coming from. I know that I probably look like a saint in the way I support Nancy on a daily basis. I'm not saying that the ability to show this much consideration is easy. Many men will find it difficult. Some will find it impossible. No one knows better than I do how frustrating women can become as they get older. My purpose in writing this is simply to suggest that you make the effort. I realize that achieving the exemplary level of showing consideration I have attained is out of reach for the average man. However guys, even if you just yell at your wife a little less often because of this article, I will consider that writing it was worthwhile. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:29:19 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC Les wrote: > Are these Voiceprint things available in the UK? I can't seem to find them > over in the states. You should be able to order them online from their website @ http://www.voiceprint.co.uk Doesn't look like Live in Milan 1979 is available yet - should be any day now, I think, but I'm sure you should be able to find out by writing to them e-mail : mailorder@voiceprint.co.uk With overseas postage, looks like this double CD will cost around 18 quid. There's a history of the Voiceprint Group here, with founder Bob Ayling talking about the early days signing Robert Wyatt http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/history.htm All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Gentle reminder (please forgive lack of tag) Hi Everybody! Just a gentle reminder from the Anal Retentive One (that's me) ... When replying to a post from the digest, please be sure to copy and paste (or type) the thread name in the subject line. In other words, "Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #251" becomes "Re: Choosing a name" It makes it a lot easier for everyone to follow along! (Also helps with researching threads!) Thanks ... Hugs to all, Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Old JMDL posts (NJC) From http://www.jmdl.com/archives.cfm: "NOTE: The JMDL changed servers in June of 1998. Digests from the old server - listbox.com are no longer available using the above method. There are a few hard-cores on the list who archive the old digests dating back to the very beginning. If you are interested, issue a request to the list and you'll be taken care of." I would be interested in taking a look at some of the old stuff ... who has these old posts/digests? Please respond to me privately. Thanks, Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:50:28 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now Bob the Geek now boardgames > I've got the "RPM" edition of Trivial Pursuit, and will be bringing it to the fest. I've already whupped van Tiel's butt, so who's next? :~) > > And I'll be bringing my Scrabble set and would love to take someone on... Victor NP: Stevie Wonder "Boogie on Reggae Woman" - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: "Turnbulent" Indigo (NJC) Listed for sale on eBay: "Turnbulent Indigo". Do you suppose this Weird Al Yankovic's take on TI? : D Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:52:27 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: birth parents NJC Mags N Brei wrote: > I promise everyone, this is my last post on the subject. Colin, I was > referring to adopted persons only, in Canada and I believe in North > American are not allowed to gain access to any medical history. > > oh nevermind. I cant explain this properly, obviously. > > enough. > > Mags. god one can't even ask a simple question anymore without someone getting bent out of shape. This is just not fun anymore. see ya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:57:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout Thanks for sending the review, Penny. But I wonder how Julia and her fans/list may have reacted to it. I found the reviewer very condescending in portraying her as some kind of "Joni-wannabe." As far as I'm concerned she has always stood completely on her own and other than sharing an immense talent in voice and songwriting with Joni, she has never been "like" Joni at all to my ears. She is completely unique. Then he makes it sound like all the credit for her new album or new "direction" goes to Klein. Puleeze! She has created a number of incredible and outstanding prior albums without the assistance of Mr. Klein, thankyouverymuch. And she is not just now starting to explore her "Minnie Riperton" soul side, either. She has always had the range of Minnie and has always showed it off beautifully. "Carving her niche" blah, blah BAH!! Kakki, getting increasingly crankier in her old age ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:11:04 EDT From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout (NJC) Hey Jonipals: Looks like I finally woke up and paid attention to my Joni emails at the right time. Not only is one of my favorite singers being discussed -- it's by two of my favorite JMDLers, cranky or not. Julia Fordham has been a staple at Casa Alegre for twelve years now. In fact, her recording of *Your Lovely Face* from Porcelain is *our song. * Ain't that sweet (gagging). Brad actually turned me on to her on our first date many moons ago. That song still concurrently warms and chills me. If you ever wanna hear anything from her catalogue, just come on by Casa Alegre. Concrete Love is her best yet, IMHO. Way to go Kline and Fordham! About the review, I must agree with Kakki. Julia has made her own mark. Joni inspired? Maybe, but how could she help it? If I ever had regrets, it would be that I have yet to see her live. BUT I am seeing James Taylor for the first time live at the Bowl on July 3!! JT and fireworks! If I go back to sleep -- everyone have a fantastic 4th!! PS - has anyone heard from Gary Zack? No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:22:22 +0000 From: "S M" Subject: Tori's Joni reference SJC Hi everybody, I ran across this comment on Joni that Tori made recently and thought I'd post it. TOYAH WILCOX: "And Jonis' spirit is embodied even more by Tori Amos, currently one of the worlds top singer-sonwriters. TORI: "She took the clay and moulded it in a way we hadn't seen before. If you really sort of analyse songwriting at that time, male or female, what she was doing with her structures an' her use of melody an' her poetry and the voice too, you know that's just one of the gifts that we've had. Stephanie Morrison - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:05:38 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout (NJC) Hey Coyote! > If you ever wanna hear anything from her catalogue, just come on by Casa Alegre. > Concrete Love is her best yet, IMHO. Way to go Kline and Fordham! O.K. I'm more calmed down now and can modify my former appraisal of the reviewer to, as one of our kinder jmdlers just wrote me, "uninformed." ;-) I haven't heard Concrete Love yet, but all of the reviews have been fantastic and if Larry helped to bring that along, he deserves to share the kudos. > About the review, I must agree with Kakki. Julia has made her own mark. > Joni inspired? Maybe, but how could she help it? Of course! She is Joni inspired and usually gives a gush about Joni in every show. But Julia has her own vibe and has never reminded me of a "Joni-type" at all. > If I ever had regrets, it would be that I have yet to see her live. I missed her last week here due to another obligation ;-( but I'm sure she'll be back in town soon. >BUT I am seeing James Taylor for the first time live at the Bowl on July 3!! JT and > fireworks! THAT is going to be one amazing show! > PS - has anyone heard from Gary Zack? Yes! Just heard from him today about his picking up the three new Laura Nyro remasters. He's been in L.A. a couple weeks and has email access but is not on the list. If anyone wants to send him a note his email is nyroman98@hotmail.com Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Re: Julia Fordham review - Joni mentions throughout (NJC) Kakki wrote: < She is completely unique. Then he makes it sound like all the credit for her new album or new "direction" goes to Klein. Puleeze! She has created a number of incredible and outstanding prior albums without the assistance of Mr. Klein, thankyouverymuch. And she is not just now starting to explore her "Minnie Riperton" soul side, either. She has always had the range of Minnie and has always showed it off beautifully. "Carving her niche" blah, blah BAH!! Kakki, getting increasingly crankier in her old age ;-)> LOL Kakki and "hi!"! I'm glad you acknowledged that I didn't write that review, but rather, was just the messenger. Phew! ;-) Since I'm not familiar enough with Julia's body of work, rather just a few of her songs, I wish I could have gone to Julia's show in Portland tonight so I could give you better conversation on this apparent idiot reviewer's review of Concrete Love and Julia in general. I just don't have the time (or can afford) all the great shows coming to town, one right after another, for the next few months. (Like Lucy K, John Gorka and Cheryl Wheeler are at the Zoo tomorrow night and I opted to try to catch that one since I'll be within a mile from that venue at 5:30 and my drive home from there is such a bitch at that time of night. Hows that for lazy? Might as well go to a concert rather than fight traffic to get home to fix dinner. lol) Anyway back to Julia, KINK is going to be broadcasting a live set Julia is doing at a local Starbucks tomorrow, so I'll make sure to listen to that short gig with your "blah, blah, blah" dissing of that reviewer in mind. "Thanks, Kakki!" in advance, for the smiles I know I'll be wearing! AND A great big "hi" back atcha Coyote Rick! (For any of you listers that don't know, this guy is an absolute sweetheart!) Peace y'all, Penny NP James Brown - Sex Machine Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:35:13 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: under god NJC Yes, it's been quite the talk all over the news here. The comments I've heard so far in reaction to the ruling are "ridiculous," "assinine," "embarrassing," and "stupid" and those are coming from both Democrat and Republican representatives. I believe it was the Senate who unanimously voted today to condemn the ruling. I believe the ruling itself is unconstitutional since the First Amendment guarantees the right to freedom of religious expression. I don't believe anyone should be required to say the pledge but those who do should certainly not be considered "lawbreakers." The 9th Circuit Court that made the ruling has had a pretty bad reputation for awhile now (has the record for the the most rulings overturned) but I never realized just how off they really are. What next? Abolishing the word "God" on our currency? Arresting schoolchildren who sing "God Bless America?" Unbelievable. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #268 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?