From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #267 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 26 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 267 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Mermaid Cafe [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Bruce Cockburn [James Leahy ] colleen peterson [Kate ] graveyards - NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: graveyards - NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] winning/losing NJC [colin ] Re: graveyards - NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] birth parents NJC [colin ] Re: graveyards - NJC [colin ] Re: graveyards - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: birth parents NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: graveyards - NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: birth parents NJC [colin ] Re: graveyards - NJC [colin ] Re: graveyards [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Mermaid Cafe [Randy Remote ] Re: Bruce Cockburn njc [Randy Remote ] Mermaid Cafe ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: birth parents NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: birth parents NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: colleen peterson now NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: birth parents NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: birth parents NJC [colin ] Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under [Alison E ] Re: birth parents NJC [colin ] Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under [colin ] riding in cars with boys NJC [colin ] Re: riding in cars with boys NJC [Alison E ] Re: birth parents NJC [Mags N Brei ] The Top Ten Group Names From "TML" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Pardon my plug (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: top five bc, njc [Penny ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:13:33 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Calling John Martyn fans in the U.K., NJC Hello John Martyn Fans, Someone told me John is scheduled to appear in a London cafi in the fall for a series of shows. Could you please pass any information or perhaps a web site where I can purchase tickets. Thanks for your help. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:23:21 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Amelia Circa 1972, so 4 years before Joni wrote Amelia, Ian Matthews recorded In Search of Amelia Earhardt with his band Plainsong. This is a superb "concept" album, very poignant, and Ian's best IMHO. I saw it has been reissued on CD, hence this post. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:03:33 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mermaid Cafe > Check out the info here... there are some interesting > tidbits: > http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/mermaidcafe.cfm Great work as always, Les. Very interesting stuff, and the pictures are very helpful in forming a mental image of Joni's time in Crete. Hope that person comes through with the "Mermaid" photo! Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "Calling Out For Carol" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:08:22 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Bruce Cockburn I saw Joni and Bruce Cockburn on the same bill at the Mariposa Folk Festival in Toronto, summer 1968. Bruce filled in for Neil Young, who didn't show. So, I think there are way fewer than six degrees separating them. They were part of the same folk circuit back then. I saw Bruce at several coffeehouses in Toronto and Montreal in those days. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:50:41 -0600 From: Kate Subject: colleen peterson I see Colleen Peterson mentioned as a member of Three's a Crowd. Colleen was a unique and wonderful singer and songwriter who died in her forties from, I believe, breast cancer. If you haven't heard of her, see what you can find to have a listen. She was on the Canadian folk scene for as long as I can remember and I wouldn't be surprised if she and Joni had loved each other's music. In her last years, Colleen was a member of the group Quartette, with Sylvia Tyson. Damn, great harmonies. I loved Colleen's voice and style. Kate du Nord <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Letter Out is a journal whatnot sent via email whenever I have time and inclination. Receive it automatically by replying to this email with "Subscribe" in the Subject box. To unsubscribe, put "Unsubscribe" in the subject box. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > From: Les Irvin > Subject: Connecting Joni to Bruce Cockburn circa 1967 > http://www.jmdl.com/today/ttextsearchresults.cfm?searchstring=pryor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: graveyards - NJC Maybe you have something there Marianne. The day before I read this I was telling my husband that I was so glad we were having a warm summer evening finally and that it was the perfect night to go get an ice cream cone and stroll around the nearby cemetary. It was something I use to do as a child. My husband did not think it was a very good idea and explained that this was not something most people would enjoy. Only Joni fans I guess. ;) Jenny Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC I hate to take away from our uniqueness as Joni fans, but back in the 1800s, Frederick Law Olmstead (a famous architect and landscaper) designed a cemetery in the Boston area specifically for 'strollers.' The Mount Auburn Cemetery was the prototype for other cemeteries throughout the country. It's got lovely trees and other landscaping as well as walking paths for visitors to enjoy. I believe he was also responsible for Central Park's existence. So, we're not the first to enjoy the peaceful and green haven of cemeteries. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:25:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: winning/losing NJC Catherine wrote: Hmm. Why do some people manage to rise about whatever life throws at them, and others just spiral downwards? I guess there's no answer to that question, but it's one that has intrigued me for a long time. It intrigues many people. Some writers on the subject have referred to 'grace' as being the reason some people seem to survive bad backgrounds unscathed. they are very few and far between. I know of one person, a 'parent' to me, who is one such person. She had an alcholic mother. At 9 she was taking care of the family and ehr mother. She knew her mother was ill. She knew she was loved. She has matured into a wonderful womn. Brought up 4 healthy children and has NEVER laid a hand on them. Her daugher, when asked if she had ever been smaked replied'no, my parents aren't into child abuse'. Anyway, back to your wondering: abuse varies widely. The severity of it, who it was perpetrated by, the frequency of it, all affects how much the abusee is affected. The 'kindness of strangers' also has a great deal to do with it. There is often a neighbour, a teacher or some such who shows the child love and thus prevents the child becoming dead inside. It also has much to do with what happens to a baby. Research suggests that babies who do not have eye contact with the caring figure, never learn to get beyond 'objectifying' and are unable when older to see others as anything but objects. Babies who are fed and clothed but not caressed or spoken to or 'loved' die. Winner or loser is not really a very helpful way(nor nice) to describe people's battles. For some, just getting thru the waking hours without harm is winning. Some people appear to be 'winners' because they hold a good job or have the trappings of success when in fact their internal life is a mess. Likewise those who do not appear to have the trappings of success, are far from losers. If it were measured in a persons ability to love themselves and others, and only that, then it might be a way to 'judge' tho i feel perhaps none of us are in that position. It all seems relative. A life that to us may seem 'bad' might indeed be a success because it is far better than the life previously lived. 'there but for the Grace of God go I' is a pretty good saying. It has real meaning if understood. As osme peole have learning diffilcuites and other hanicaps, others too have 'hanicapps' in the courage deaprtent or are unable to understand or lack awareness. others are just not loved enough by anyone. In the end it boils down to that; how much love a person recieves. Far far too many recive far far too little. The answer lies in that and not in some intellectual theory. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC Oh of course, we're certainly not the first. I think Marianne was wondering if enjoying the beauty of graveyards was a trait shared among many Joni fans, maybe even to a greater extent than the general population. Are there other characteristics, interests, beliefs, etc. that Joni fans as a whole tend to share. Or do we just have great taste in music. ;) Hey Anne, I was happy to hear we're roomies now. I'm looking forward to seeing you and hearing your music again. Jenny - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > I hate to take away from our uniqueness as Joni > fans, > but back in the 1800s, Frederick Law Olmstead (a > famous > architect and landscaper) designed a cemetery in the > Boston area specifically for 'strollers.' The Mount > Auburn Cemetery was the prototype for other > cemeteries > throughout the country. It's got lovely trees and > other > landscaping as well as walking paths for visitors to > enjoy. I believe he was also responsible for Central > Park's existence. > > So, we're not the first to enjoy the peaceful and > green > haven of cemeteries. > > lots of love > Anne Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:29:08 +0100 From: colin Subject: birth parents NJC Is it always a good idea for children who for whatevrer reason don't know one or both birth parents to find them? What if the parent you find has problems? Is menatlly ill?Is deficient in some way? Or just doesn't fit the 'parent' picture? Is gay? Is in prison or whatever? Under what circumstances would it be better to not see an adult child? Would it ever be right to refuse a meeting? - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:36:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC I was amzed in Canada and New England tos ee graveyards just in the side of the road, sometimes bewteen homes. Here they are always in churchyards or are great big fileds . It is interesting to read gravestones and wonder about the people whose remains lay there. And wonder what they think about us looking at something that is no longer a aprt of them. I have always thought is strange that people visit graves of loved ones since they are not there. Just talking to tehm where you are works. Tho of course I undderstand thsat people need to do what they feel is right. Fromn an a sapce point of view, and maybe from an ecological one(don't know about it), cremation is surely a better ides. I just want them to make double, trebly, sure I am dead first! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:57:21 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC Jenny writes: << I think Marianne was wondering if enjoying the beauty of graveyards was a trait shared among many Joni fans, maybe even to a greater extent than the general population. >> Put me down for a big NO! on this question -- especially at night with an ice cream cone! I know the Mt. Auburn Cemetary of which Anne speaks. (I was born in the Mt. Auburn Hospital, which is a stone's throw away.) The cemetary is a beautiful place, sort of an upscale graveyard, as graveyards go, with the remains of lots of well-known Boston and Cambridge people buried there among some of the most spectacular landscaping in the Northeast. It's also sort of a tree museum because, like an arboretum, it has little cards on or near the trees that tell you each tree's Latin or horticultural name. But I wouldn't want to be in there at night after they lock the gates! And as for Frederick Law Olmstead, one of my heroes . . . you are right, Anne, about his involvement with NYC's Central Park, although I don't think he gets sole credit for its design. I think it was a collaboration of some sort, but I'm not sure. (One of the NYC Jonilistas will know.) I used to love going to Central Park when I lived in the city. I think it has a lot to do with keeping New Yorkers sane! One of Olmstead's greatest achievements, in my opinion, will always be Boston's 'Emerald Necklace' of parks and other green spaces. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:11:47 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: birth parents NJC > Is it always a good idea for children who for whatevrer > reason don't > know one or both birth parents to find them? I'd think that "finding" them may not be necessary, but that for health reasons it would be important to know what genetic makeup your biological parents had to know what you may be pre-disposed to. Maybe that's an automatic, I don't know as I'm not familiar with the process. I would also think that because of the emotions involved, the reunion would typically involve more heartbreak and tension than happiness or resolution. Bob NP: Stan Ridgeway, "Knife & Fork" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC > Fromn an a sapce point of view, and maybe from an ecological one(don't > know about it), cremation is surely a better ides. I just want them to > make double, trebly, sure I am dead first! I agree on all counts, Colin! (I guess they don't use fermaldehyde (sp?) anymore, but I'm sure embalming fluid isn't something you'd want seeping into the drinking water supply. And, as for the making sure one is dead first, I guess there was a group of executives who were together for a seminar. The group was asked what they'd like to be said about them at their wake. Most people said "She was kind." or "He was good father." But one man suggested "Look, he's still alive!" :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:44:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: birth parents NJC > I would also think that because of the emotions involved, the reunion would typically involve more heartbreak and tension than happiness or resolution. that is my feeling too. > > > Bob > > NP: Stan Ridgeway, "Knife & Fork" only know his Camouflage and love it! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:48:25 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC > But one man > suggested "Look, he's still alive!" :-) that would be a funeral that would not be forgotten! btw Six Feet Under started here last week. Weird but very good. Am pretty sure that the woman Nate is shagging is the same one from Muriel's Wedding. She is credited as being Rachel Griffiths but as I have lent my DVD of MW out, I can't check. I am sure I have seen Nate somewhere before too. He could wash my socks anytime. > > > lots of love > Anne - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: graveyards Colin writes: << She is credited as being Rachel Griffiths but as I have lent my DVD of MW out, I can't check. >> Here's a resource for you, Colin . . . Go to the JMDL site, click on Joni in Fiction, then select Films. Once you get there, click on the title of any film that has Joni references. That will immediately bring you to the Internet Movie Database. Once there, you can enter the name of any film you want and it will give lots of info about the film. (Of course you could just go directly to the Internet Movie Database, but then you'd miss out on Joni in Fiction!) Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:14:57 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Mermaid Cafe (Joni quote) "Then the cops came and kicked everyone out of the caves, but it was getting a little crazy there. Everybody was getting a little crazy there. Everybody was getting more and more into open nudity. They were really going back to the caveman. They were wearing little loincloths. The Greeks couldn't understand what was happening." This is interesting, and isn't it the basis for the Eagles song "The Greeks Don't Want No Freaks" ? RR Les Irvin wrote: > Joniphiles - > Oddly enough, two separate people emailed me out of the blue within hours > of each other about the Mermaid Cafe. > Check out the info here... there are some interesting tidbits: > http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/mermaidcafe.cfm > > Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:17:28 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn njc Bruce headlines the Kate Wolf Memorial Folk Festival this weekend at Black Oak Ranch in Laytonville, CA (N.Cal). I saw him about 5 years ago and he was excellent. RR James Leahy wrote: > I saw Joni and Bruce Cockburn on the same bill at the Mariposa Folk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:03:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mermaid Cafe I loved reading these accounts! They bring more understanding to the emotions she must have been feeling when she wrote her song Blue as well... >>Joniphiles - Oddly enough, two separate people emailed me out of the blue within hours of each other about the Mermaid Cafe. I figured that was too weird to ignore, so I added a page to the glossary section about the cafe and the caves. One of those individuals is scouring their attic for a promised picture of the actual cafe as taken in 1969. Check out the info here... there are some interesting tidbits: http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/mermaidcafe.cfm<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: birth parents NJC in my humble opinion Colin, I believe that medical information and family history should be given, the ruling is still out on what age is appropriate to do so. I think it is cruel to hold back what is, again in my opinion, what is rightfully theirs (the adopted person). There are many medical reasons why someone should have access to the aformentioned. The decision to reunite is so personal. I am not sure I would venture to express an opinion one way or the other. Some work out, some do not. And as I have posted, it is very difficult to figure out new relationships. Very difficult. all that said, for me, knowing is a thousand times better than not knowing. No question. Mags. - --- colin wrote: > Is it always a good idea for children who for whatevrer reason don't > know one or both birth parents to find them? > What if the parent you find has problems? Is menatlly ill?Is > deficient > in some way? Or just doesn't fit the 'parent' picture? Is gay? Is in > prison or whatever? > > Under what circumstances would it be better to not see an adult > child? > Would it ever be right to refuse a meeting? > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: birth parents NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > << health reasons it would be important to know what genetic makeup your > biological parents had to know what you may be pre-disposed to.>> sorry Bob, I replied to Colin's post before I read yours. Sounds like Im preaching to the choir :-) << that's an automatic, I don't know as I'm not familiar with the > process.>>> Vital information such as you mention IS kept back...it is the law. > > < would typically involve more heartbreak and tension than happiness or > resolution.>> I think it depends upon the expectations each person has going in to the reunion in the first place. And then the support and the emotional work one has done before, during and after reunion makes a difference as well. It's quite the duel between the head and the heart. People on both sides of the fence have been known to refuse contact for a myriad of reasons. And you are right, it aint easy my bro. Mags. > > ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: colleen peterson now NJC - --- Kate wrote: > << Colleen was > a unique and wonderful singer and songwriter who died in her forties > from, I > believe, breast cancer. >>> > > >Hi Kate, yes, Colleen was an incredible singer/songwriter..another song bird taken away too soon. I was shocked to learn of her death. I saw her perform with Gordon Lightfoot at Massey Hall in Toronto in the 70's and she was amazing. Thanks for mentioning her. Mags, who agrees that Joni would have been a huge fan of hers as well. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:13:02 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: birth parents NJC colin asked: <> and bob answered, in part: <> now me: how funny that this conversation happen today. mags and i have been talking lately about this very topic - i'm adopted and have vascillated for years between leaving my birth parents be, whereever they are, and searching for them. both options are absolutely unsatisfactory, but there just isn't a middle ground available! to ignore them is to ignore a huge piece of myself - they, willingly or no, created me! the circumstances that dictated that i be raised by others is almost secondary - in 1962, there was certainly the option for an abortion, even in little bitty biloxi, mississippi. it seems that i owe them a pretty big "thank you," if nothing else. i certainly wasn't brave enough to do what (she??) they did, faced with that dilemma. but to find them! how scary! what if they really meant to never think about me again? or maybe worse, what if they *want* something - what if they create yet another demand on me emotionally financially whatever?? i spent years of angst wishing that they would come rescue me from a fairly unsatisfactory childhood/adolescence - i've created them in my mind a thousand times, always younger, hipper, more loving, more fun than my adoptive parents. in doing so, i've set myself up for a tremendous disappointment, as i'm sure they have, if they've pondered my life at all. yesterday, i looked for my birth mother, searched through clues on the internet to find her. today, i'm scared. tomorrow - well, who ever knows what tomorrow brings? c _______________________________________ Cindy Vickery Daniel Corporation 205-443-4718 direct 205-443-4615 facsimile http://www.danielcorp.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:53:51 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: birth parents NJC Mags N Brei wrote: > in my humble opinion Colin, I believe that medical information and > family history should be given, the ruling is still out on what age is > appropriate to do so. I think it is cruel to hold back what is, again > in my opinion, what is rightfully theirs (the adopted person). There > are many medical reasons why someone should have access to the > aformentioned. I don't understand the above. I don't know my family's medical history and I am not adopted( despite years of thinking I was-or hoping). I also only know the bits of history I have gleaned. If some awful hereditary disease was involved, I can see the relevence. > > > The decision to reunite is so personal. I am not sure I would venture > to express an opinion one way or the other. Some work out, some do not. > And as I have posted, it is very difficult to figure out new > relationships. Very difficult. > > all that said, for me, knowing is a thousand times better than not > knowing. No question. > > Mags. > --- colin wrote: > > Is it always a good idea for children who for whatevrer reason don't > > know one or both birth parents to find them? > > What if the parent you find has problems? Is menatlly ill?Is > > deficient > > in some way? Or just doesn't fit the 'parent' picture? Is gay? Is in > > prison or whatever? > > > > Under what circumstances would it be better to not see an adult > > child? > > Would it ever be right to refuse a meeting? > > > > -- > > bw > > colin > > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > > Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 > > > > colin@tantra-apso.com > > http://www.tantra-apso.com > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under - --- colin wrote: > btw Six Feet Under started here last week. Weird but > very good. Am > pretty sure that the woman Nate is shagging is the > same one from > Muriel's Wedding. She is credited as being Rachel > Griffiths but as I > have lent my DVD of MW out, I can't check. I am sure > I have seen Nate > somewhere before too. He could wash my socks > anytime. yes, colin, it is her. they are one and the same. and despite the weirdness, keep watching, the show is so amazing! i can't think of anything else i've seen the nate guy in though. he's relatively new on the scene in american tv or movies. alison e. in slc np: suzanne vega Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:08:54 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: birth parents NJC > in doing so, i've set myself up > for a tremendous disappointment, as i'm sure they have, if > they've pondered my life at all. yesterday, i looked for my > birth mother, searched through clues on the internet to find her. > today, i'm scared. tomorrow - well, who ever knows what tomorrow > brings? what if you found out your birth parents were fucked up and came from a really fucked up background? what if your birth father didn't even know of your existence, until many years later? The situation i am thiking of is this: a man fathered a child over 20 years ago. Didn't know till a few years ago, when said child was already an adult. Rumour has it that said child wants to know about father. father in this case has nothing to offer. For selfish reasons, father may be interested in seeing this child. For unselfish reasons, father thinks it is very bad idea. Said child was brought up well in a good family. Ftahr only has bad news about history to impart. Father has no money, no education, no other family in contact, and a rather different type of life to the 'norm'. In this situation, it would be better for child to wonder than to know the truth? Then also have to learn stuff about his mother and her involvment with this man? Most times i am all for honesty but ttheir are times, I am not so sure. It really is a matter of this: which would be more damaging to the child? Not knowing his father? Or knowing what will surely damage him? > > > c > _______________________________________ > Cindy Vickery > Daniel Corporation > 205-443-4718 direct > 205-443-4615 facsimile > http://www.danielcorp.com/ - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:15:59 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: graveyards - NJC now six ft under > yes, colin, it is her. they are one and the same. thought so. thanks. > > and despite the weirdness, i love weird. > keep watching, no intention of not! > the show is > so amazing! truly. > i can't think of anything else i've seen > the nate guy in though. he's relatively new on the > scene in american tv or movies. he just looks familiar. maybe one of my many ex lovers made good! His ister reminds me of the girl who played Cybill's daughter. Chubbier face but similar looks/expressions. Mother is excellent. Other brother is , well, odd. His Bobby boyfriend tho is quite a looker. Just seen the foot episode. btw another program I have been wathcing is Judging Amy. I love Tyne Daly. Amy herself, I am not so keen on. Here is shown on sattleite channel, Hallmark. Shown daily and then just stops. no telling when it will be back. The last epeisode or so was Amy going out with Judge.(Susan Sarandans ex Chris S), Tyne Daly getitng the youth centre up and running again with her nephew-then no more episodes. > > alison e. in slc > np: suzanne vega > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:22:34 +0100 From: colin Subject: riding in cars with boys NJC Just saw this film and thought it very good. funny. Think Drew Barrymnore is wonderful anyway. Sara Gilbert certainly looked very different to her Roseanne days. Also have seen Charlotte Grey. Another good film. Cate Blanchett has to be my favourite actress right now. Quite lovely and a brilliant actor. havre seen her first in Elizabeth, then in The Gift, then in Bandits and now this one. She was outsanding in them all. Seen her intrviewed on Parky too and she is charming, intelligent, and modest. colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: riding in cars with boys NJC - --- colin wrote: > Just saw this film and thought it very good. funny. > Think Drew Barrymnore is > wonderful anyway. i keep meaning to see this, i haven't been to a video store in ages. maybe i'll go tonight! >> Cate Blanchett has to be > my favourite actress right now. Quite lovely and a > brilliant actor. havre > seen her first in Elizabeth, that movie is one of my favorites of all time! i absolutely loved it! cate blanchett is really extraordinary. alison e. in slc np: tom petty Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: birth parents NJC - --- colin wrote: > > ><<< I don't understand the above. I don't know my family's medical > history and > I am not adopted( despite years of thinking I was-or hoping). I also > only > know the bits of history I have gleaned. If some awful hereditary > disease > was involved, I can see the relevence.>>> with all due respect Colin, the point I was trying to make is that "if" you wanted the history/information...you 'could' get it. It is your right not to want it for whatever reason, and that has been and will always be your choice dear. For the adoption community, it is different. A whole different game as it were. And someone's sick idea of a game at that. Protect the innocent. Yea right. You see Colin, for adopted persons, they cannot get information about their history without one hell of a lot of red tape hoop jumping which quite frankly is not fair or right. It is pretty much impossible unless you are willing to .. how shall I say this...bend the law. > > And as you can see from Cindy's response from her side of the issue, there are at least as many, if not more, fears, quandries, worries as a result of complicit silence and secrecy. Imagine this one. They falsified birth records to cover this all up. What a crock of shite that is. Good god..if the records were open, Cindy wouldnt have to go through all this sh*** now, so many years later. There would be no guessing, she'd know it all, and she has every right to know who she came from, why and so on. Mags. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:55:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Group Names From "TML" I have been listening to "The Magdelene Laundries" tonight and I was struck by how many of Joni's phrases in this song sound like names for punk or rap or rock groups. (I know, "Get a life, Bob.") So without further ado, here's my Top Ten List of Group Names from "The Magdelene Laundries." Number ten . . . Branded As a Jezebel Number nine . . . Stuffed in a Hole Number eight . . . Bloodless Brides of Jesus Number seven . . . Wilt the Grass Number six . . . Bridget's Belly Number five . . . Prostitutes and Destitutes Number four . . . Leech the Light Number three . . . Cheeky Girl Number two . . . Shirley 2 God And the number one group name from "The Magdelene Launderies" . . . The Steaming Stains! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:29:55 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Pardon my plug (njc) Apologies for this spamish post. What can I say ... it's wartime. You gotta do what you gotta do. I hope some folks may be interested in what I'm up to, and still others may be interested in hearing singer Ingrid Graudins (formerly with Jonatha Brooke/The Story) with my band. - -Fred ==================================================================== Dear friends and well-wishers, I hope you can make it to this special event. It's in a great jazz club on a rare Sunday afternoon, which is generally more pleasant than the usual Saturday night (less mobbed, very little smoke). These monthly concerts have been really enjoyable, both for the music and for the hang. My group starts promptly at 2 PM, and Kelly Brand's group at 3 PM. I hope to see you all there. ==================================================================== Chicago Jazz Composers Collective presents an AFTERNOON of original jazz featuring: Composer/Pianist: Fred Simon with Jim Gailloreto: saxophones, alto clarinet, flute David Onderdonk: guitar Ingrid Graudins: vocals Larry Kohut: bass Tom Hipskind: drums Composer/Pianist: Kelly Brand with Art Davis: trumpet Louis Stockwell: saxophones, flute Kelly Sill: bass Tim Davis: drums with special guests Don Tisch and Ian Torres Sunday, June 30, 2002 at the Green Mill 4802 N. Broadway Chicago IL 2-4 PM (773) 878-5552 ==================================================================== ***ABSOLUTELY WE WILL SPREAD OUR GROOVE AND INTERNATIONAL FEELING*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Re: top five bc, njc "Alan Larson Hi Alan! Remember a few weeks ago, when Mark and I both reminisced about our youth memories in Iowa to you, and ended our posts with praising the combination of scenic beauty and activity opportunities of the PNW? Well, maybe the Friday of the 4 of July weekend would be a good time for you to check our part of the world. Shawn C. and Bruce C. are playing an outdoor gig together here at the Portland Zoo. Pretty cool venue for an evening concert! Last time we went, coincidentally to see Bruce C., it was a beautiful, clear, warm summer night and at dusk the audience had the lovely experience of watching the peacocks fly, one by one, from the pagoda roof near the stage, but to the west - so we mostly saw just their large silhuettes againt the setting sun, to a near by tree to go to bed. It was charming - reminded me of the scene from The Sound of Music when the vonTrapp children take turns wishing the party guests goodnight when they went to bed. The entire audience, in return, sent out a cheer to wish each of the big birds "good night" as they took flight. It was just wonderful. If that double bill is to quick for you to make, we've got Lyle Lovett and his Big Band opening for Bonnie Raitt in an outdoor show on the Columbia River Sept 14! We just got 11th row, center seats for that one -- whoohoo! Peace, Penny NP: I've Got The World On A String - Diana Krall and Tony Bennett Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #267 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?