From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #260 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 260 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: June 18 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: June 18 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Father's Day, njc ["Marian Russell " ] mp3.com stations (some jmdl content) ["Paul Castle" ] trading ["Garret" ] Re: trading [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: Father's Day, njc - warning, even more sailing content [anne@sandstro] NJC All of this talk about sailing now [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:Fountain of Sorrow, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Initializes menus [SCJoniGuy ] Re: Laughing it all awaaaaaaayy! [Abbymusique@aol.com] Joni songs inspired by literature ["kerry" ] Tuffsearch@aol.com [les ] Re: Initializes menus ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Initializes menus ["Heather" ] Re: Initializes menus NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] cowgirl in the song NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] that janet jackson song [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: that janet jackson song [Jerry Notaro ] Victor in Asheville [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: People's Parties [Bob Shemkovitz ] RE: Initializes menus [Lori in MD ] RE: Mack's Road Trip - NJC ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Music and bigger brains (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Arthur Lee in Paris, NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [Howard ] Another pesky urban legend (NJC) [Lori in MD ] Re: Initializes menus [Mags N Brei ] NJC Tom Waits- New video and EPK released on Anti.Com with Streaming. Old animated short found as well.] [Scott] Re: NJC All of this talk about sailing now [Mags N Brei ] Re: Joni songs inspired by literature [Mags N Brei ] Jack Johnson (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Initializes menus <-- Will someone please invent "Initializes Dinner"... (njc) [Lori in MD ] RE: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Initializes menus [Michael Paz ] Re: Jack Johnson (NJC) [Alison E ] njc, Cowboy Junkies alert ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: Men Killing Women NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:12:35 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: June 18 On June 18 the following items were published: 1998: "Fair Game" - New Times LA (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980618ntla.cfm 1998: "Woodstock Returning This Year" - NicksFix website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980618nf.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:12:35 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: June 18 On June 18 in history: 1999: Don Rowe wrote to the list: "This just in from a review of a Go-Betweens concert in Toronto ... Robert Forster introduced 'Spring Rain' saying: 'This is dedicated to Joni Mitchell, who Grant (McLennan) and I saw walking down the street in Toronto today ... she looked fantastic!'" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:59:43 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Re: Father's Day, njc On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:40:36 -0400 Jerry Notaro wrote: > MY FATHER > Judy Collins > >My father always promised us >that we would live in France. >We'd go boating on the Seine >and I would learn to dance. >... >watching the setting sun... >set in my father's eyes again >One of my favorite songs. >Jerry Oh, one of mine, too, Jerry. I heard her perform this live in Jacksonville, FL, in the late 60's early 70's. So beautiful - makes me cry every time. She wrote some other gorgeous songs - Since You've Asked, the Albatross. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:46:04 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: mp3.com stations (some jmdl content) Kate wrote: >What I meant was the mp3.com site which many >indie musicians have done, its like a webpage of >music that people can download Or quickly preview in a lo-fi dial up. The artist does have the choice as to whether their tracks are available as full mp3 downloads or not - I've also found that many artists have sites with no music available at all - just links to where their CDs can be purchased. As these sites are free and pretty easy to set up, I can't see you have much to lose if viewed for purely promotional purposes. Yes, the pop-up banner ads are irritating until you learn how to get rid of them quickly. >As an artist, I chose not to put my stuff up on >mp3 mainly because I did not like their business >practices towards artists (another story). You may know something I don't, but I think this is a shame. I recently set up an mp3.com station and went looking for a Kate Bennett track to include - I have found tracks by Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer (which I remember being recommended by Steve Dulson), Diane Zeigler (mentioned on list recently by Ashara and Anne - love this track), Bruce Cockburn (a great track from his 'Breakfast in New Orleans Dinner in Timbuktu' album), Jane Siberry (a new [to me] version of 'Calling All Angels'), Norah Jones (whose name I first heard on the jmdl and now, having seen her on TV, really rate), plus Alison Krauss, Jay Ungar & Molly Mason, Rhonda Vincent, Tom Prasada-Rao, Rick Scott, Chuck Brodsky and others - http://www.mp3.com/stations/acrossthepond - and I've also recently enjoyed listening to dial-up versions of Van Morrison's latest single and an acoustic version of 'Pinball Wizard' by Pete Townshend, plus Joni singing harmony vocals on a live recording of 'Blue River' by Eric Andersen ("Joni Mitchell - The Greatest", he rightly says, at the end). I was even thinking of suggesting to Les and Sue that they consider setting up dial-up stations - a JMDL Station for list members with recordings and artists in the Joni vein - and a Wanderer Station for tracks with interesting open tunings (the Bruce Cockburn track I found - The Last Night of the World - for example, is in Drop F#). As it doesn't cost anything to set up a station, it would appear to be a great way to share our musical discoveries. I've even thought about suggesting that Bob has a "best of" Joni Covers Project Station, but appreciate that this might well require Joni's permission as well as the individual artists. >I did not like their business practices towards artists >(another story). I'd be interested to hear your views. I admit that all this is fairly new to me. I am aware that mp3.com is owned by Vivendi-Universal who reported massive losses last year, and that they have introduced a Premium Artists Service for $20 a month (which I'm told might well be worth signing up to for a couple of months around the release of a new album). But you can still put up a free site for promotional purposes, which has already been very helpful to one of the groups I play in. We've recently had tracks at #1, #2, and #3 in the UK mp3.com Bluegrass Charts which, whilst we know is no big deal in itself, has given us a burst of enthusiasm which has led to quite a few additional gigs recently. Also, I notice that artists like Alison Krauss and Norah Jones are using mp3.com to promote just a couple of tracks from their new albums - Alison has had over 140,000 plays on her two tracks from 'New Favorite' and Norah has nearly 110,000 for her two tracks from 'Come Away With Me'. I'm sure that most of these are just lo-fi dial up plays and the majority who like what they hear will go out and buy the album from wherever they normally do. Am I wrong to hope that Joni might put up a couple of tracks from her forthcoming album? All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:17:25 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: trading Has Joni performed Sunny Sunday and Turbulent Indigo live? More to the point, does anybody have a copy they'd be willing to trade or B&P for? I'm also looking for any one of the 1998 shows (was it 98 when she did the Dylan tour?) and the Hissing Demos. I'd be very grateful if anyone could help:) While we're at it, i'm also on the lookout for REM, Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, Patti Smith, Paul Simon (or S&G), Sinead O Connor and many others. I don't have a big trade list, but i think it's an interesting one (thanks in *large* part to some generous JMDLers!), i intend to have it posted on my website this evening. GARRET np- The Undertones, Teenage Kicks ps- i wasn't sure if this qualifies as JC, if not, apologies ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:50:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: trading > Has Joni performed Sunny Sunday and Turbulent Indigo live? More to the > point, does anybody have a copy they'd be willing to trade or B&P for? You'll be happy to know that the answer is yes! She performs both at her 1993 "Troubadours of Folk" appearance in Los Angeles. The complete setlist: 1. Last Chance Lost 2. Big Yellow Taxi 3. Amelia 4. Borderline 5. Turbulent Indigo 6. How Do You Stop 7. Hejira 8. Night Ride Home 9. Sunny Sunday As far as I know, this marks the sole live performance of Borderline, Last Chance Lost, & TI. I'm > also looking for any one of the 1998 shows (was it 98 when she did the Dylan > tour?) and the Hissing Demos. I'd be very grateful if anyone could help:) My favorite '98 show is the Kanata appearance and/or Atlanta, not just because I was there but because the sets are a bit longer and in Atlanta she does Song For Sharon & BSN. > While we're at it, i'm also on the lookout for REM, Radiohead, Smashing > Pumpkins, Patti Smith, Paul Simon (or S&G), Sinead O Connor > and many others. I can help with the REM, Patti, & S&G, Garrett...my non-Joni list is attached. Bob NP: Red House Painters, "Take Me Out" [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Live Collection.doc] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: RE: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc > and you're tacking with 15 seconds before the horn, just in front of the > whole bunch, trying to get under way & steal their air before they eat YOUR > ability to be first across the line. Somebody's swearing because they > suddenly have to yield. > > Been there. Miss it. OMG!!! This is SO great. Yeah, we used to do port tack starts all the time. We always found a hole - or maybe we just invented one. Everyone's yelling "Starboard!" but we'd tack in time and we'd shoot out of our roll tacks like a watermelon seed, so we'd be accelerating out of the tack, cross the line right at the gun... We were also good at reading the wind on the water. (I'm abandoning all pretense of modesty here - sailors do tend to do that.) So, we'd pick the favored side of the windward leg, tack on the major shifts, and be first to the weather mark, round it, and if there was enough breeze, go flying down the first reach, roll jibe at the reach mark (the only time I'd pray, "stay up, please stay up") and head for the leeward mark. Up the weather leg again, then down to the finish, wing and wing, to a toot, or a gun. God, I miss that. [We usually did triangle windward leeward courses...but I always preferred finishing to weather.] I can still recall sailing in the Atlantic Coast Snipe Championships out of Newport, Rhode Island. We sailed under the bridge about halfway through the course. Anyway, we were in first by a huge margin, with 75 boats behind us. What a rush! But, the race was thrown out because the race committee didn't post the right compass heading for one of the marks. Sea lawyers... Anyway, I've estimated I've sailed in over 800 races. We won the majority of them...(My former skipper gets a lot of credit here. He was on the U.S. Olympic Sailing Team and coached the first women to win an Olympic gold medal in sailing. He took me as a complete novice and trained me to be a crew.) sorry for boring the rest of you - once you get us sailors going it's all over... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: RE: Father's Day, njc - warning, even more sailing content > Okay, Anne said "planing" (or is it "plaining"?) (pronouncead as PLAIN-ing) > so I have to weigh in. My father's sailboat did this a few times. If the > breeze was coming from across a stern corner at about 15 miles per hour, the > whole hull lifted straight UP about 3 inches and it suddenly sped up just > slightly. It doesn't sound like much but ladies and gentlemen I assure you, > just the memory of it makes my scalp swell over with gooseflesh............. It's planing, like hydroplaning. And every sailor I knows would really have to think when asked "Better than sex?" lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:04:24 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC All of this talk about sailing now Makes me want to put on my old Christopher Cross record. ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re:Fountain of Sorrow, njc Wow Brian, a song about sadness AND pictures! Jackson said, >>i was looking through some photographs i found inside a drawer. i was taken by a photograph of you. [pun intended] there were one or two i know that you would have liked a little more but they didn't show your spirit quite as true. you were turning 'round to see who was behind you and i took your childish laughter by surprise and at the moment that my camera happened to find you there was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes.>> btw, "one or TWO i know that YOU" is one of those unexpected rhymns that jt gives you all the time. I love that song. Lama - --- brian symes wrote: > This song "Fountain of Sorrow" shows a little more > understanding of the 4th dimension, Time and its > past present and future. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: SCJoniGuy Subject: Initializes menus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:06:57 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: Laughing it all awaaaaaaayy! Russ, I know what you mean about the terrain and the music intermingled. I lived in Colorado for seven years and bought most of the albums I have by her there, including Heijira, which really makes me think of the West. I think that's the kind of music I like best, anything that puts me in a whimsical mood while I'm driving down a broad highway with beautiful scenery to my right and left. Nothing better! Abby www.authorsden.com/abbymparks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:13:51 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni songs inspired by literature I can't remember who posted something about the "Songs Inspired by Literature Project" here, but I finally picked up the CD yesterday at an adult literacy conference. It's really wonderful! The artists are winners of a songwriting contest and also a few more well known people like Aimee Mann, Suzanne Vega, Grace Slick and Bruce S. I was checking out the website and they have a section listing famous SIBL's: http://www.siblproject.org/home.html They had only had one Joni song listed (BSN), so I submitted "Slouching Towards Bethlehem." Anyone have more Joni songs to add? Kerry NP - Suzanne Vega - Calypso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: les Subject: Tuffsearch@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Initializes menus Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't mark this njc on purpose. Thanks. Jim LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:32:27 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Initializes menus yes. came through to me also. what's it all about? heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:27 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Initializes menus Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't mark this njc on purpose. Thanks. Jim LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:57:47 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Initializes menus NJC Just your basic virus message, don't open an attachment if it's there... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: cowgirl in the song NJC OK, the mondegreens thread is a couple of months old now, but I just remembered this. I was in the orthodontist's office yesterday waiting for my appointment when the Crosby, Stills and Nash song 'Southern Cross' came on the radio. I have always heard the chorus as "I have been around the world, lookin' for my bovine girl..." In fact, I have no idea what the lyric actually is! Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:32:59 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: that janet jackson song Hi, all. . . Does anyone know the title of the Janet Jackson song that samples BYT? Also, if anyone has the lyrics I would appreciate getting a copy of them for the Joni in Song part of the JMDL site. Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:43:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: that janet jackson song Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Hi, all. . . > > Does anyone know the title of the Janet Jackson song that samples BYT? Also, if anyone has the lyrics I would appreciate getting a copy of them for the Joni in Song part of the JMDL site. Got Til Its Gone. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:06:42 EDT From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Victor in Asheville Victor, would you send me your e-mail address - I would like to ask you some questions about Asheville. Greetings from Karin from Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:18:35 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: People's Parties Hello, fellow listers, I9ve been reading the postings about Joni9s singing on People9s Parties, and I really disagree with those who say it9s flat or out-of-whack. Quite the contrary, I think her note choices are right on! I think what sets Joni in a league of her own is the monumental originality, subtlety, nuance, beauty, and sophistication she brings to every aspect of her music. Whether it9s her tunings, her chords, her melodies, her lyrics, and yes, the note choices she makes when singing, Joni consistently brings a fresh, daring, playful, original approach to performance that seems to be utterly beyond the reach (probably beyond the imagination) of 99 percent of pop music performers. Most popular music I9m aware of sticks pretty much to the standard major, minor, and dominant seventh chords you learn in your first year of music lessons, and almost never deviates from the familiar diatonic scale, though some will get adventurous enough to switch to a radical harmonic minor scale for the occasional middle eight. The result is pretty much what you hear on the radio these days - a thousand sound-alike performers, playing a thousand sound-alike songs, all according to the template of the latest Britney Spears nursery rhyme. No major ninths for us, thank you very much! I listen to Joni precisely because she9s willing - indeed, lives - to challenge herself and her listeners, to reach beyond the ordinary, the familiar, the cliche. A singer of Joni9s sensibilities knows and feels how much a song can benefit from the use of the properly chosen note - even when that note happens to be off the chosen scale. I think classically trained musicians call these notes 3accidentals,2 in spite of the fact that they9re written intentionally. Jazz players refer to them as 3blue notes.2 No matter what you call them, in the hands of a master, they9re not a mistake. They9re a tool, an addition to the spectrum on the musical palette, allowing the musician to render a song or performance that9s so much fuller, richer, more colorful, more interesting, more meaningful, than could otherwise happen. Okay, I9m out of adjectives, so I9ll end now. See, it doesn9t pay to light a fire under me when it comes to Joni! :-) For those of you who still aren9t convinced, call me up and I9ll sing it to you - then you9ll know what freakin' 3flat2 is really all about! (With raised fist) SIQUOMB! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: RE: Initializes menus This is probably a (minor) virus. Beware. ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:26:26 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Mack's Road Trip - NJC Hey Mack!! Glad you finally got to take that road trip! Just proves you really can drive all the way across TX and back without hearing Joni on the radio, unfortunately. However there is a public/non-commercial radio station out of College Station that you may be able to get. They don't play anything mainstream and they occasionally play Joni. They would definitely play a request. Anyway, glad you got to go, hope you feel better now. If you ever head to Austin again give me a shout, i may be able to point you toward some good clubs (not on 6th St.) that have great music. Despite the change in 6th St., the town is still a mecca for great music. Take care. - Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of mack watson-bush Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:51 PM To: joni Subject: Donna Binkley told me a while back that a road trip was needed so with that advice I headed off, again, to see what I could see. Drove by Fairy, Tx. Didn't know that existed. I thought about Bob and smiled and then dreamed about a fairy fest in fairy, tx. The weather this spring in Central Texas has been beautiful and has yet to become so hot as to be burdensome. Driving through the hills of Texas with Janis, on full volume, was wonderful. Arrived in Austin and decided to see what music and fun I could find on 6th Street. It was Friday night and it was crowded. The parking was practically non-existent and had to walk 7 or 8 blocks after finally finding a place. Too many preppies for my tastes and the area seems to have lost most, if not all, of that bohemian spirit I had long heard and read about. Still, every once in a while, one can get a taste of it. I traversed the streets and listened outside to the different groups performing, hoping one would catch my ear. There were many really heavy rock and roll bands playing, one so loud that the entire building was shaking as I stood there. Thought of Rosalie at that point and wished she was there as she likes that kind of thing. Finally, spied a small joint that stated no cover and that a blues band would be performing there later. Sounded good to me so entered and found a table in the corner. Piped blues were playing and after a couple of beers I was feeling pretty at home, especially with the graffiti laden walls and laid back ambience of the place. Dreamed that Janis would soon walk in. The performer was touted, by the outside sign, as John McVie. Had never heard of him. Saw a poster inside that read the name as John McVay. He started about an hour later. Pretty good they were with some good guitar playing. I enjoyed it for 30 minutes or so but not being a big fan of just guitar playing I waited for the bluesy vocals. Never came. Not what I would call blues. I am sure the knowledge base here knows more about him than I do. Great to hear him anyway. Then went in search for something more to what I was looking for but didn't find it. Did find that somehow I had lost all of my money while there on the streets. Don't know if pocket picked or what. Pretty disconcerting. Never has happened to me before. The next day while driving to East Texas, beautiful scenery, picked up a radio station. Pretty interesting to place the radio on scan, while driving through different areas, to see what one can find. This station was interviewing two musicians, whose names I can't remember. They were alternately performing. Kind of hillbilly but down home music. At first pretty impressed as the first one had a Nanci Griffith kind of style but he couldn't keep it up. Overall though, they were not half bad. The two said they had the No. 1 record in Denmark and they were performing somewhere close that night. The other then sang and said his album was called "Just Like This Train." I waited anxiously for a Joni mention but none came. I wondered if he thought he was original. East Texas is really beautiful. Had never been there before. Had planned on going to Port Arthur for the Janis memorial but not having any pocket money didn't think that was frugal so decided to come home. Lake Livingston is massive and longed to be on one of the boats way out in the middle of it. Got lost in the dark outside Waco while traveling home and spent hours trying to find my way out of the darkness. Thought about stopping for directions but couldn't do it. Don't they call that a man thing? Almost otherworldly, I drove on and felt as if I had fallen into the Twilight Zone. Occasionally, would see another car but they didn't have any people inside of them. Finally, out of the maze and home, just as a hugh thunderstorm hit. Great to go but great to come home too. Didn't hear one tune from Joni on the radio through all those hours on the road. mack mack watson-bush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:37:45 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Music and bigger brains (njc) A friend sent this to me yesterday: Musicians found to have 'more sensitive brains' By Lorna Duckworth, Health Correspondent 17 June 2002 Musicians have bigger and more sensitive brains than people who do not play instruments, scientists revealed yesterday. The auditory cortex, which is the part of the brain concerned with hearing, contains 130 per cent more "grey matter" in professional musicians than in non-musicians. In amateur players, the volume of the auditory cortex is between the two, a team of researchers from Heidelberg University in Germany has found. They used scans and imaging techniques to compare the size and activity of the auditory cortex in 37 people. (continued) For the rest of the article go to this link: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=305961 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:43:44 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Arthur Lee in Paris, NJC Laurent - Thanks so much for the review! It sounded fantastic. I can't wait until he gets back to L.A. The only reason his L.A. audience may have not known his songs is the "target" audience hasn't been sufficiently notified of his appearances! Thanks to Darice I've learned he is going to be at Bimbos in San Francisco July 23rd. Hope I can get away to go! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:25:13 +0100 From: Howard Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. This part has always stuck out a little to my ears too. It does sound a little flat, though I think the main reason for this is the wide vibrato that Joni has for this note. She's singing a D, but the vibrato means it's wobbling between D and C#. The overall impression is that it sounds a bit flat - you expect it to be spot on the D, but it's varying between D and C#... Joni is singing a harmony here - she has three voices going at this point, and they all have quite strong vibrato. The harmony she's singing is actually a simple one, a plain major triad (D F# A) so I don't think it's anything in the harmony that makes it sound odd, it's mainly the wide vibrato on all voices, but especially the main voice, that makes the pitch sound a little off. I agree with the some of the other comments people have made - Joni's pitch is usually excellent. There are places where she deliberately lets her voice fall away, and the pitch can be a bit out ("and your loneliness" etc), but this is nearly always because she has a particular expressive effect in mind. In other places, her wide vibrato (especially when singing her harmony) can make the pitch seem a little off. But in most cases, she's spot on whether singing a single line or a harmony. I especially love the sound of her recent mature, smoky voice when it's overdubbed as a harmony. The sound of her voice(s) on the chorus of Turbulent Indigo is a great example! Howard > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:21:14 -0400 (EDT) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. > > - --- blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: > > > > But has anyone else thought that Joni was just plain > > FLAT on the last, drawn-out "awaaaaaayyyy" from the > > chorus of "Peoples' Parties?" > > > > If it's the same awaaaaaaayyy I'm thinking of, isn't > she singing harmony with herself at that point? I > think she has a very tight going on harmony there, one > of the more unusual ones (not a maj third or a perf > 5th, for example). Plus the bending of the notes as > well. I don't think she's off pitch, I think she just > has one of her more unusual harmonies going. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Another pesky urban legend (NJC) There's an email circulating (again) that claims that, as of July 1, 2002, the major U.S. credit bureaus will be able to release your personal info to anyone who asks for it. Here's a link to a document that rebuffs that "information:" http://198.64.129.160/inboxer/pending/credit.htm ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Initializes menus me too...does this mean there's some virus still kicking about? Mags. - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni > list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller > that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't > mark this njc on purpose. > > Thanks. > > Jim > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:49:32 -0400 From: Scott and Jody Subject: NJC Tom Waits- New video and EPK released on Anti.Com with Streaming. Old animated short found as well.] Hi! For those of you *Rain Dogs* out there..... > EPK for "Alice" and "Blood Money" streaming from Anti Records. (15 June > 2002) > > The EPK for BLOOD MONEY and Waits' concurrent release, ALICE, will be > available > at Anti.com (http://www.anti.com/tom.php) in four bi-weekly installments > beginning > Tuesday, July 2. Comprised of thirty minutes of interview footage, the EPK > gives > fans a rare glimpse inside the creative mind of Waits, as well as a look at > his > more playful side (as Waits touches upon everything from Thailand's > bumblebee > bat to the human scapula). > > "God's Away on Business" streaming from Anti Records. (15 June 2002) > > Looking for an excuse to go broadband? Look no further than TOM WAITS. > "God's Away > On Business," the first video from Waits' acclaimed new album BLOOD MONEY, > will be > available on Anti.com (http://www.anti.com/tom.php) starting on Monday, June > 17. > The video for "God's Away On Business," shot at the infamous Ambassador > Hotel > in downtown Los Angeles, was directed by longtime Waits associate Jesse > Dylan, > who also lensed "Goin' Out West" from Bone Machine, and shot the covers for > both > Bone Machine and Blood Money. The video features Waits and three > emus--though > not the three originally cast as Waits' co-stars, as they had an untimely > coyote > encounter the night before shooting. > > "Tom Waits For No One" rotoscope video found from the 70s. (15 June 2002) > > This animated short was created by John Lamb and Bruce Lyon in the late 70s. > This short features Tom Waits crooning to a stripper to the tune "The One > That Got Away". > It was originally filmed and then converted to animation using the Rotoscope > technique. > The enhancing of this technique during the production earned John and Bruce > an Academy > Award Oscar in the category of Scientific and Technical Achievement. To see > more details > on this lost treasure, go to the Tom Waits Supplement > (http://www.keeslau.com/TomWaitsSupplement/Extras/rotoscope.htm). > > jody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:22:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: NJC All of this talk about sailing now - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Makes me want to put on my old Christopher Cross record. ;~) or how about this one Bob :-) There's a man who's been out sailing In a decade full of dreams And he takes her to a schooner And he treats her like a queen Bearing beads from California With their amber stones and green He has called her from the harbor He has kissed her with his freedom He has heard her off to starboard In the breaking and the breathing Of the water weeds While she's so busy being free ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:52:45 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: cowgirl in the song NJC ROTFLMAO! The actual lyrics are: "I have been around the world Lookin' for that fraulein girl..." Too bad, that's a song worth singing til the cows come home. :-) - -Julius tahewitt writes: > OK, the mondegreens thread is a couple of months old > now, but I just remembered this. > > I was in the orthodontist's office yesterday waiting > for my appointment when the Crosby, Stills and Nash > song 'Southern Cross' came on the radio. > > I have always heard the chorus as > "I have been around the world, lookin' for my bovine > girl..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:27:53 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Initializes menus Sorry if this message goes out twice, I didn't use my jmdl address for the previous one. This is another outbreak of the Klez virus, which masquerades an email address in the From: field to a user. I was the victim of said virus on another list, and was told I was sending the virus to other members on the list. There's a useful article on wired.com which explains how it works in a little more detail: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52174,00.html As always, keep your virus definitions up to date and scan your system regularly. My fellow Mac users, you are immune to it however you may be the victim of being the sender. Here's an article that explains how it affects Mac users: http://service2.symantec.com/SUPPORT/num.nsf/docid/2002041911334611 Mark On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, at 06:13 PM, Mags N Brei wrote: > me too...does this mean there's some virus still kicking about? > Mags. > > > --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >> Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni >> list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller >> that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't >> mark this njc on purpose. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jim >> LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >> http://launch.yahoo.com > > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:59:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni songs inspired by literature thanks for the heads up Kerry, I think I'm going to be a part of the team for the Joni Lit project. Going to get down to it once I'm in our New Jersey home ;-) my creative advisor, Monsieur Robert LaSmurphe has advised that I start a Joni Lit folder within which I am collecting pertinent stuff for future reference. Mags. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:23:43 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Jack Johnson (NJC) Hello gang I have been off in the land of production and an endless amount of work lately. I had a conversation with a local festival produceer about the upcoming Voodoo Fest here in New Orleans and he told me about an artist by the name of Jack Johnson. I went to this site and checked him out and thought that maybe some of you might like to check out his music which is really different. http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/wblcs/concert_play.jsp?concert=jack_johnson&s peed=300000&media=audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin&clip=a_jackj_full_concert Best paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:36:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Initializes menus <-- Will someone please invent "Initializes Dinner"... (njc) ... before I get home from work tomorrow night?? Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:49:25 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: From the Janis Joplin list - JC does anyone know anything about this? is this old news or new news? Rock film released after 25 years Betsy Powell CANADIAN PRESS STORY TYPE: News LENGTH: Medium The 1970 Isle of Wight music festival is remembered for several things. It brought 500,000 people to the small island off Britain's south coast, a crowd as large as the one that gathered a year earlier for the better-known Woodstock festival in New York. The promoters lost their shirts, guitar legend Jimi Hendrix played his last U.K. gig and, at one point, the stage caught fire. And now another footnote. It took filmmaker Murray Lerner 25 years to bring his warts-and-all account of the event to the screen, a 90- minute documentary that will be seen tonight at 8 p.m. on CBC-TV. "I'm a bad salesman. I couldn't get anybody interested in this to the point of financing," Lerner said Monday on the phone from New York City. That changed as the 25th anniversary approached. With the money finally behind him, Lerner spent a year editing 200 hours of film footage so the Isle of Wight Concert 1970 was ready for broadcast last August on British television, a quarter century after the fact. It earns a place in celluloid rock history alongside 1967's Monterey Pop, the Oscar-winning movie Woodstock and Gimme Shelter, a film of the 1969 Rolling Stones' Altamont concert where the Hell's Angels stabbed a spectator to death. Isle of Wight is from that same rockumentary mould. It shows spaced-out hippies dancing naked, flashing peace signs, smoking pot, frolicking, playing Frisbee and basically grooving to the pop aristocracy performing on stage. But it's also much more than a piece of nostalgia about '60s music and hippie culture. Lerner, who can be heard asking questions and turning down a toke when offered a puff, turns the camera on frantic festival organizers scrambling to pay the musicians while keeping protesters behind corrugated iron fences. The long-haired insurgents refused to pay the three-pound gate charge and demanded the festival be declared free. When organizers refused, they pitched tents on the side of a hill overlooking the jam-packed farmer's field and pounded the fence with stones as security guards with dogs patrolled nearby. One festival-goer remarked it had become a "psychedelic concentration camp." The film catches the behind-the-scenes drama and underscores the disparity between the message the music was conveying and the commercial realities behind it, something Woodstock failed to do, Lerner said. "Woodstock on one level was conventional in the sense that everything was nice and here's the music. I didn't want to do that." Lerner also captures many musical highlights. Hendrix performs Machine Gun, Message to Love, Voodoo Chile and Foxy Lady, plucking notes with his teeth but without the pyrotechnics of Woodstock. Rock's most influential guitarist was dead a month later at 27 after suffocating on vomit. The Doors and a bearded Jim Morrison, who was also dead less than a year later, perform a sombre The End. The crowd jeers a perplexed Kris Kristofferson while he sings Me and Bobby McGee. "I think they're going to shoot us," he says before leaving the stage to a chorus of boos. A fresh-faced Joni Mitchell is badly shaken when her set is interrupted by a Charles Manson lookalike trying to hijack the microphone. She recovers, straps on her guitar and delivers a spirited version of Big Yellow Taxi, even ending with her signature giggle. ILLUSTRATION Mitchell Hendrix ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:15:15 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc Wow Anne! You know way more about this than I do. After crewing every Sunday for three summers, my brother and I traded off being skipper/crew for about a dozen races in a series in high school. I loved it but the longest distance between marks was about 3 miles, on a narrow reservoir. (Our class is Interlake, 18 footers, which is similar in size to a Lightening. I learned on Windmills which are tiny, about 14 feet but as a teenager I noticed that the speed demons in the 505's had the uhmmmm prettiest women on them, usually scantillly clad and athletically working the trapeze, getting artfully sprayed in the process. Ahem!) Anyway, uhmm. What was I saying? Oh, yeah. It sounds like you have more knowledge and experience than I do. I'd crew for you anytime. Lama ps to the rest of you- Anne's right. When sailors get started I guess we do 'go on' as the Brits say. You might say we go [overboard]. You might say that if you were a middle-aged computer geek. :) Anne said, > I can still recall sailing in the Atlantic Coast Snipe > Championships out of Newport, Rhode Island. We sailed > under the bridge about halfway through the course. > Anyway, we were in first by a huge margin, with 75 > boats behind us. What a rush! But, the race was thrown > out because the race committee didn't post the right > compass heading for one of the marks. Sea lawyers... > > Anyway, I've estimated I've sailed in over 800 races. > We won the majority of them...(My former skipper gets a > lot of credit here. He was on the U.S. Olympic Sailing > Team and coached the first women to win an Olympic gold > medal in sailing. He took me as a complete novice and > trained me to be a crew.) > > sorry for boring the rest of you - once you get us > sailors going it's all over... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:24:15 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: All of this talk about sailing now Say, that's real [promising] there, Mags. Yeah, it needs a little polishing- maybe Croz could punch it up some. I'm taking off the njc label to show off your lyric and give 'em a taste of the sailing thread. > From: Mags N Brei [mailto:magsnbrei@yahoo.com] > or how about this one Bob :-) > > There's a man who's been out sailing > In a decade full of dreams > And he takes her to a schooner > And he treats her like a queen > Bearing beads from California > With their amber stones and green > He has called her from the harbor > He has kissed her with his freedom > He has heard her off to starboard > In the breaking and the breathing > Of the water weeds > While she's so busy being free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:00:31 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Birthday!!!!! NJC Dear Jerry I hope you have a wonderful birthday. I will raise my glass to you that night around the drinky hour. I am coming your way the second week of July. I fly into Orlando on the 8th of July for a few days with the family and extended in law family at Wally World. I hope to get to hook up with some of the Florida contingent. Best to you Paz on 6/17/02 3:07 PM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > The DBF is leaving town tomorrow early a.m. for 10 days, > > so while the NYC folks are enjoying Jerryfest, > > make sure you give Jerry Notaro 52 spankings, > > because on June 25th, it's his BIRTHDAY!!!!! > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y (in NYC) J E R R Y!!!!! > (and to anyone else who has one in the next 10 days) > > Jimmy (who will be computerless) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:57:30 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Initializes menus Probably one of those nasty PC virus thingy's... MAC rules Paz on 6/18/02 8:32 AM, Heather at chiaroscuro@snet.net wrote: > yes. came through to me also. what's it all about? > > heather > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jim > L'Hommedieu > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:27 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Initializes menus > > > Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni > list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller > that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't > mark this njc on purpose. > > Thanks. > > Jim > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Jack Johnson (NJC) i just saw this guy on letterman, or conan, or somebody...he was really good! and not bad on the eyes, neither. alison e. in slc np: my cute-as-shit 2 yr old nephew singing the spiderman theme song. - --- Michael Paz wrote: >> the name of Jack Johnson. I went to this site and > checked him out and > thought that maybe some of you might like to check > out his music which is > really different. > Best > > paz Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:12:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: njc, Cowboy Junkies alert Cowboy Junkies alert! The new DVD and CD set, "Open Road" is nearly ready to ship. They are taking advance orders only till next Tuesday that qualify the purchaser for free pairs of tickets and other cool stuff. At www.cowboyjunkies.com you'll find: "Open Road is a two-disc set (1 DVD and 1 CD) that documents our 2001 Open Road Tour. There is a combined four hours of music, video, still images and spoken word. The three hour long DVD contains: a beautifully filmed full band concert performance; a seven song performance by Margo and Michael; an extensive interview with Margo and Michael; and a behind the scenes documentary about life on the open road. The hour long CD contains live performances recorded during the tour." What would you expect to pay for such a set? In Canadian Dollars, it's $28 for "Open Road" (the DVD & CD set) plus $5.45 to ship it. To Americans, it's $18.20 (US Dollars, approximately) for "Open Road" (the DVD & CD set) plus $3.54 (US Dollars, approximately) to ship it. As usual they practically GIVE their stuff away on the website. After wearing out the fans-only "Waltz Across America" I'm betting that this one will be worth owning too. "Mmmmm. More Marrrrrrgo." "It's a good thing." Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:22:15 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: Men Killing Women NJC Hello everyone, just another appeal for help with the 'Murder' songs. I, and I imagine many others, have received 'junk mail', (sic) lately offering ways to impove penis length and breast enhancement. Why would I need both, or either? I digress. The type of junk mail i'm interested in is better called 'hate mail' as one typical offer the other day was entitled "make it so big she'll bleed". Please do not delete this mail, ok delete it but send me the title if it is something similar. I recall another similar one called "get a dick so big you'll choke her". Please send me anything similar which has the idea of increased penis size NOT to give women (additional) pleasure but based on the idea that a longer dick is useful for purposes of inflicting pain. Sorry if this subject offends but it is becoming a key thread of my paper. Thanks in advance,mike in barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #260 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?