From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #259 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 259 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: June 17 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: June 17 [les@jmdl.com] njc USA march on! [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: njc USA march on! ["kakki" ] Re: Betty Carter NJC [] Re: reintroducing mom to Laura and Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Father's Day, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Father's Day, njc [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Joni & touring [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Father's Day, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: reintroducing mom to Laura and Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sincerely, L. Cohen - njc [Gerald Notaro ] You want a Father's day story? NJC NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Arthur Lee in Paris, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Neil Young help needed, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] NJC guitar question that was asked ["James Phillips" ] NYC Jerryfest Soon! [was Sincerely, L. Cohen] njc [dsk ] Re: njc USA march on! ["gene mock" ] Re: njc USA march on! ["gene mock" ] Re: NYC Jerryfest Soon! [was Sincerely, L. Cohen] njc [FMYFL@aol.com] njc Grace of My Heart [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Father's Day, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Father's Day, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: Father's Day, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:05:38 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: June 17 On June 17 the following items were published: 1969: "Central Park Music Fete To Start 4th Year June 26" - New York Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690617nyt.cfm 1998: "At Chieftains' invite, women turn to 'Stone'" - San Diego Union-Tribune (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980617sdu.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:05:38 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: June 17 On June 17 in history: 1972: Joni performs in Paris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:27:53 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: njc USA march on! USA have just beaten Mexico, and they're now in the quarter finals. Who'd have thunk it?? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:15:46 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: njc USA march on! WOOO HOOO!! Just read that it's the first time USA has ever made it to the quarter finals. No one would have thunk it! Kakki > USA have just beaten Mexico, and they're now in the quarter finals. Who'd > have thunk it?? > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:47:00 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Betty Carter NJC I agree big time! I CAN'T HELP IT finds "Betty Bebop" singing jazz from the standards repertoire and she excels in songs you wouldn't believe can still be improved upon (case in point: Irving Berlin's "Remember" and Debussy/Clinton's "My Reverie"). But her most glorious track was also its shortest: "By The Bend of the River". In less than 2 minutes, she was able to make the song transcendent. I also have her more "mature" albums, though I was quite bored by DROPPIN' THINGS (her "Why Him" was smile-inducing). The energy of a live performance was captured in this album, though her most evocative was the slowest rendition ever of "Stardust/Memories of You" with Geri Allen on piano at her most deathly slow. Her last album "I'm Yours, You're Mine" gave outstanding renditions of "Useless Landscape" and "East of the Sun" (the latter started as a scat solo that reminds one of a horn). I'm quite sad she is no longer with us but her recorded output will always be a reminder of what a singular talent Betty Carter is. joseph np: Betty Carter "This Time" > If you are not familiar with Betty Carter, and like jazz singers, I > strongly urge you to seek out some of her albums. Tyler's suggestions > are great, and I would add another of her earlier albums, "I Can't Help > It." While establishing herself on this lp as an extraordinarily unique > and talented vocalist, her style is not as eccentric (or, fans might > say, not as matured). The entire album is enjoyable and in parts it is > transcendent; it's one of my favorites and has been for many years. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:22:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: reintroducing mom to Laura and Joni Lazyasz@aol.com wrote: > Yesterday at Best Buy my mom and i got into a cd buying frenzy and we ended > up with Court and Spark among other selections by PJ Harvey, Buffalo > Springfield and the Beatles. > > My mom, who's 51, is one of those extreme casual Joni listeners who owned > that one copy of C&S during the 70's and wore it out. > > Anyways she tells me it is like one of her favorite albums of all time. So > we put it on and she's remember her favorite tunes, Down to You, Help Me, > Just Like This Train, Car on a Hill, when I decide to try an experiment. Now that's a change. A younger generation turning on an older one to Joni. > > > I dash for my copy of Hissing and put it on the cd tray before she knows > what's up. She makes it through IFTKOMS but as soon as the Burundi's on TJL > start she's asking me to change it. I then skip forward to EATK which she > thinks is pretty and SOSC which she thinks is beautiful, but otherwise she > doesn't seem that impressed. > > Then today as she was fixing dinner I put on Hejira and she loved it. Saying > that it was so "smooth" to listen to. Is Hissing the Joni litmus test? Is > it the record that separates casuals from intimates? Absolutely. Still today as then. Many say it was Mingus, but in my mind it was Hissing. > > > Also I introduced her to Laura Nyro which I guess makes her like one of ten > people who know about her. I played her all of Eli and some of Tendaberry > mainly the 5th dimensioned ones. Stoned Soul, Sweet Blind., Save the > Country, Time/Love. She now has a better understanding of Nyro. You are a wonder! Jerry np: Soggy Bottom Boys - Man of Constant Sorrow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:20:17 -0500 From: mehawt Subject: re: Is Hissing the Joni litmus test? Yes! I attended a wedding reception shortly before Hejira was originally release; found myself among a group of Joni fans, which was possibly one of the earliest JM discussion groups. I'd asked if I would liked Hissing, having read the negative reviews (tellingly, Songwriter Magazine gave it a positive review). Every one in the group said I'd like Hissing. One person said, "Yeah, great percussion work." It seems that jazz listeners took to Hissing quickly and it took a little time for it to grow on casual listeners - just a hasty generalization. momentarily de-lurking, Michael Hawthorne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:40:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Father's Day, njc MY FATHER Judy Collins My father always promised us that we would live in France. We'd go boating on the Seine and I would learn to dance. We lived in Ohio then. He worked in the mines. All his dreams, like boats we knew We'd sail in time. My sister's all grew up and went away, to Denver and Cheyenne. Marrying their grown up dreams, the lilacs and the man. I stayed behind, the youngest still only danced alone. Hoping... Hoping... that my father's dreams would someday take me home. I live in Paris now, my children dance and dream. Hearing the ways of a miner's life, In words they never say. I sail my memories of home, Like boats across the Seine. And watch my father's eyes... watching the setting sun... set in my father's eyes again One of my favorite songs. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Father's Day, njc > It would flip and we'd have to right it. Anyway, we finally did, and we had a > hell of a ride, me working the rudder, and him leaning way off the side to > keep the boat from flipping. We were always passed my loud motorboats but it > didn't matter. Cutting across the water with only nature & our wits was > always more of a rush than pure speed. > > I still can see the big shit-eating grin he wore on his face that day. Sounds like you were 'planing' Bob! And, yeah it's the BEST rush there is. There's nothing like 'hiking out' (leaning out) over the waves and having the hull just skim over the sufrace. (An engineer will tell you something about breaking the water surface tension, but that just sounds so mundane compared to what it feels like!) Thanks to you and Lama for sharing your Father's Day sailing stories. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:11:28 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni & touring Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > It's clearly apparent that she enjoyed herself at the > Much Music show in Toronto. Although it might have > been the saki talking...... :) I think this appearance was a big turning point for Joni. She never looked or sounded better, and many more live followed. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:15:33 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Father's Day, njc > My father never had a sailboat because he spent his whole > life on the highway to hell. I'm truly sorry for that, Bob, but you can take solace in the fact that you still turned out great. I know my childhood is sort of "Hallmark-ish" and that some can't relate. As I said, I was lucky & blessed. Likewise, my Dad's parents split when he was 2 (his Mom disowned him & legally "sold" him to his Dad for $1), and when his Dad became a hardcore alcoholic, he was placed in foster care and grew up in the streets of 1940's Detroit. By all rights he should have been a loser, but he chose not to be and worked hard to make a better life for himself. Just one more reason I look up to the guy. Sometimes we succeed because of our parents, and sometimes in spite of them... Bob NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, "I Like Dirt" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc Thanks for the sailing story, Catherine. I'm one of those awful people who bores others with sailing yarns, ad nauseum, and I love to hear sailing stories from others. > Sailing is so, hmm, civilized... and quiet. I agree about the big noisy, smelly, ugly power boats. But, as for sailing being civilized and quiet - well, yes, unless you're on a starting line of a race in a 20 knot breeze. :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:28:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: reintroducing mom to Laura and Joni > I think that C&S really is a fine pop album. I'm planning > on getting BSN > this week to compare between then joni and now joni. Damien, very cool that you & your Mom can share the music...if you want to compare then Joni & now Joni, you may want to opt for Taming the Tiger as opposed to BSN, as BSN just spotlights her as a vocalist. TTT spotlights her current writing, playing and vocals (plus it's a MUCH better record!). Just my thoughts. Bob NP: Red Hot Chile Peeps, "Higher Ground" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:04:28 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Sincerely, L. Cohen - njc Well, Linda Ronstadt and kd lang cancelled out their Radio City Music Hall concert. But this looks good: Sincerely, L. Cohen is a voyage through the writings and music of Leonard Cohen, arranged and directed by Barbara Vann. Medicine Show Theatre originally put this show together in 1986 and is reviving it here in revised form with Cohen's permission. The show charts in a non-realistic fashion an emotional and imagistic journey of a life that is profound, angry, funny, loving, mordant, and ultimately full of joy. Among the Cohen compositions to be heard here are "Famous Blue Raincoat," "Tower of Song," "Take This Waltz," "Sing Another Song, Boys," "Democracy," "Everybody Knows," "Hallelujah," and "That Don't Make It Junk." Text is drawn from Cohen's books The Energy of Slaves, Death of a Lady's Man, and Book of Mercy. Definitely am going to see it when I'm in NYC next week. If any JMDLer's there want to join me let me know. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:45:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: You want a Father's day story? NJC NJC what an amazing story vince, thanks so much for sharing this! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:27:21 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: King Sunny Ade, NJC > From: Nnamani Ugu > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #253 > > Great Fans of Joni Mitchell take time off and listen to the music of King Sunny Ade of Nigeria. It has all the rythms that could make a difference. > The former President Bill Clinton and his Assistants danced to no end to the melodeous music during his last visit to Nigeria. He is one african musician everybody has come to love > Hi Ugu, I own 1 CD by King Sunny Ade and always enjoy listening to it. Would love to get more if you're into trading. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:44:19 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Arthur Lee in Paris, NJC Whoah, what a hot performance. Vintage psychedelic light show against the brick wall behind the stage, the works. Arthur was in great shape, nothing like the passed-out junkie I saw 10 years ago in L.A.. Whoever sent him to jail saved his life from a probable O.D. The band was young and tight. The concert was sold out months ago and I think Arthur was very surprised at the warm welcome he got. Nothing like in L.A. where nobody seemed to remember the old songs. Here people were widly enthusiastic. In fact, before the "encore" he said: "I didn't realize there's no back door. Now I feel like Custer" Check him out if you can. Also, I took pictures and hooked up with 2 tapers sitting next to me by the soundboard. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:20:08 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Neil Young help needed, NJC > From: Vince Lavieri > Subject: NJC Neil Young help needed > > I am willing to pay someone to help me on this because I have nothing to > trade... > > a lot of you have a lot of music from all kinds of things, always amazes > me what this community has tucked away here and there. > > I need on a cd any and all versions available of Neil Young and Pearl > Jam singing Rocking in the Free World, any and all Neil and Pearl Jam > stuff together, and Neil's versions of Harvest Moon not available on > commercial cd. > Hi Vince, I may have what you need on bootleg (no charge). Feel free to get in touch with me off-list. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:57:14 +0800 From: "James Phillips" Subject: NJC guitar question that was asked hello, This is for the person asking about getting a guitar to learn on. It really depends on the style of guitar playing you are going for I think. As far as acoustics, I am pleased as punch with my old Harmony Soverign guitar that is jumbo shaped. It has a nice rich full sound that works well no matter what type of playing be it fingerstyle, strumming, the Maybelle Carter style etc. However, the downside to that guitar is that my back does occasionally hurt when I stand and play that guitar a lot. To remedy that situation, about 3 years ago, I purchased a blonde Yamaha FS-311 and low and behold, it had the same nice quality as my Harmony, but in a smaller size. A lot of friends that play guitar have played it and offered to buy if off me right then and there because of the user friendliness of it. Another recommendation if you are looking for electric is the Fender Strat. Around last year, I decided that I would "plug" in so to speak (I've used a temporary pickup on my Yamaha for playing in my church band). What I like about the Strat is it's ability to cut through, no matter what type of song or your style of playing. I run my Strat through a Peavey amp. The only real affect I use besides the lead channel on the amp is a Flanger, which when you finger-pick chords, gives a sort of spacey, keyboardy sound to it. If you have anymore guitar questions, email me and I'll try to help you the best I can. James Phillips http://www.geocities.com/thebleachboi/home.html - -- Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:06:14 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Laughing it all awaaaaaayyyyyy. JC Gang, That last note on People's Parties is, indeed, out of whack...I've never been able to make up my mind whether it's Joni's lead voice, back-up vocals or the instruments. I'm leaning toward the back-ups. Had a great Joni related musical moment this weekend. Went to Vegas for the first time...rented a car to got to Hoover Dam, and...I was driving across the burning desert when I spotted 6 jet planes................The 'Hejira' cover terrain..all while listening to .......the whole Hejira CD......sigh......... Love the way she narrates my life..past, present and (?)future... Love, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:31:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Mac or PC for photos?, njc my husband who is a product designer has been using both macs & pcs since the beginning of time...he does lots of 3 D design & photoshop...& says he prefers a pc... usually when i say this mac users get outraged...don't shoot the messenger... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:04:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: NYC Jerryfest Soon! [was Sincerely, L. Cohen] njc Yes! It's time to get ready, and make some plans. Patrick, Rose (I hope you're feeling up to a trip into town), David, Tanya (can you join us this time?), and anyone else who cares to join in... any ideas? Spending some time at David's place is idea #1 for me. A couple other things happening are free Shakespeare in the park (Twelfth Night). It would take some concerted coordination to get tickets, but it is one of those only in NY things to do. Teena Marie is playing Saturday night. I forget exactly where, but if there's any interest I'll find out. She's been talked about here but also can't remember who's interested in her. And there are probably other things I'm forgetting too. Anyway, this is a start. And the Leonard Cohen play sounds good too... Gerald Notaro wrote: > > Sincerely, L. Cohen is a voyage through the writings and music of > Leonard Cohen, > Definitely am going to see it when I'm in NYC next week. If any JMDLer's > there want to join me let me know. Jerry, when are you thinking to go? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:17:32 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: NYC Jerryfest Soon! [was Sincerely, L. Cohen] njc The Shakespeare in the park sounds great, as does the Leonard Cohen. Would love to all meet up at Judy's Chelsea either before or after. Our only nights booked are June 29 and 30. Free so far the others. Whatever "y'al" decide in fine with me.l dsk wrote: > Yes! It's time to get ready, and make some plans. Patrick, Rose (I hope > you're feeling up to a trip into town), David, Tanya (can you join us > this time?), and anyone else who cares to join in... any ideas? > > Spending some time at David's place is idea #1 for me. > > A couple other things happening are free Shakespeare in the park > (Twelfth Night). It would take some concerted coordination to get > tickets, but it is one of those only in NY things to do. Teena Marie is > playing Saturday night. I forget exactly where, but if there's any > interest I'll find out. She's been talked about here but also can't > remember who's interested in her. And there are probably other things > I'm forgetting too. Anyway, this is a start. > > And the Leonard Cohen play sounds good too... > > Gerald Notaro wrote: > > > > Sincerely, L. Cohen is a voyage through the writings and music of > > Leonard Cohen, > > > Definitely am going to see it when I'm in NYC next week. If any JMDLer's > > there want to join me let me know. > > Jerry, when are you thinking to go? > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:19:18 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re:Fountain of Sorrow The Key verse in this song "When you see through love's Illusion,there lies the danger and your perfect(1) lover just looks like a perfect(2) fool so you go running off in search of a perfect(3) stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life like a fountain from a pool' How many joni references can you pull from just this part of the song ? On the whole this is a very lyrical song, I think Jackson did learn alot fom early Joni songs on how to write verse. Neil Young's level of song about Joni never passed his 13th grade level of education. This song "Fountain of Sorrow" shows a little more understanding of the 4th dimension, Time and its past present and future. Sherman set the way back machine to 1973 Laurel Canyon, California. Brian Symes - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:20:02 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: njc USA march on! holly sufferin succotash!!!!! if the god ole u.s. wins the world cup everyone should get a mohawk. go usa!!!!!!!! gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:27 AM Subject: njc USA march on! > USA have just beaten Mexico, and they're now in the quarter finals. Who'd > have thunk it?? > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:05:59 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: njc USA march on! what a bunch of freudian slips. maybe that's what it would take for u.s. to win the world cup----------divine intervention. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: Re: njc USA march on! > > holly sufferin succotash!!!!! if the god ole u.s. wins the > > world cup > > everyone should get a mohawk. > > Very interesting that you misspelled Holy as holly, and good as God. I think they cancel each other out, so you're OK Gene. > > If the USA wins the world cup, I'll get a mohawk, dye it green, and spike it. I'll probably get a guest shot as a guest on The Osbournes! :~) > > Hey, while we're talking sports, how 'bout that college world series? Could be Clemson, SC vs. University of South Carolina? > > Truth is, as with all sports, I couldn't be more apathetic. I just try and follow them on the surface so I can converse with my wife. That's the truth, and yes I know it's weird. > > Bob > > NP: Red House Painters, "Shock Me" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:07:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NYC Jerryfest Soon! [was Sincerely, L. Cohen] njc The DBF is leaving town tomorrow early a.m. for 10 days, so while the NYC folks are enjoying Jerryfest, make sure you give Jerry Notaro 52 spankings, because on June 25th, it's his BIRTHDAY!!!!! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y (in NYC) J E R R Y!!!!! (and to anyone else who has one in the next 10 days) Jimmy (who will be computerless) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:52:39 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: njc Grace of My Heart I think someone mentioned this film a while ago, and there was a debate about it last year some time, which included my lamenting that it was unavailable on video. Well, it's just started on TV, the video is recording, and I finally get all those gorgeous Kristen Vigard vocals. Hooray!! Azeem in (warm, for once) London NP: Hey There, from that film. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:24:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Father's Day, njc - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I know my childhood is sort of "Hallmark-ish" and > that some can't relate. As I said, I was lucky & > blessed. Likewise, my Dad's parents split when he > was 2 (his Mom disowned him & legally "sold" him to > his Dad for $1), and when his Dad became a hardcore > alcoholic, he was placed in foster care and grew up > in the streets of 1940's Detroit. By all rights he > should have been a loser, but he chose not to be and > worked hard to make a better life for himself. Just > one more reason I look up to the guy. > > Sometimes we succeed because of our parents, and > sometimes in spite of them... Hmm. Why do some people manage to rise about whatever life throws at them, and others just spiral downwards? I guess there's no answer to that question, but it's one that has intrigued me for a long time. Both of you Bobs turned out all right - I don't think I've ever met a Bob I didn't like. Ain't that peculiar? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > I agree about the big noisy, smelly, ugly power > boats. > But, as for sailing being civilized and quiet - > well, > yes, unless you're on a starting line of a race in a > 20 > knot breeze. :-) See, the thing is - I never compete, unless I'm sure I can win (heh-heh.) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mac or PC for photos?, njc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > my husband who is a product designer has been using > both macs & pcs since > the beginning of time...he does lots of 3 D design & > photoshop...& says he > prefers a pc... > > usually when i say this mac users get > outraged...don't shoot the > messenger... LOL - this is the first time I've heard someone who does art-y things on a computer say he prefers a PC to a Mac. I guess I would have bought a Mac, but I got confused by the fact that the vendors seem to be called "resellers" (at least they are here in Canada.) I thought that meant you could only buy used ones and I got frustrated and bought a PC. Of course, I'm more used to PCs than Macs, as I've never used a Mac, but I've never heard anything bad about them, whereas PCs run on Windows, and Windows is a product of Bill Gates, the Antichrist, say no more. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:37:40 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Father's Day, njc Okay, Anne said "planing" (or is it "plaining"?) (pronouncead as PLAIN-ing) so I have to weigh in. My father's sailboat did this a few times. If the breeze was coming from across a stern corner at about 15 miles per hour, the whole hull lifted straight UP about 3 inches and it suddenly sped up just slightly. It doesn't sound like much but ladies and gentlemen I assure you, just the memory of it makes my scalp swell over with gooseflesh............. Anne said, > Sounds like you were 'planing' Bob! And, yeah it's the > BEST rush there is. There's nothing like 'hiking out' > (leaning out) over the waves and having the hull just > skim over the sufrace. (An engineer will tell you > something about breaking the water surface tension, but > that just sounds so mundane compared to what it feels > like!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:45:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Father's Day, (now sailing) njc Catherine said, > Sailing is so, hmm, civilized... and quiet. Anne said, > I agree about the big noisy, smelly, ugly power boats. > But, as for sailing being civilized and quiet - well, > yes, unless you're on a starting line of a race in a 20 > knot breeze. :-) and you're tacking with 15 seconds before the horn, just in front of the whole bunch, trying to get under way & steal their air before they eat YOUR ability to be first across the line. Somebody's swearing because they suddenly have to yield. Been there. Miss it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: RE: Father's Day, njc the only experience i've had with sailing was on a 505 years ago with my sister who was a real sailor. She raced at every opportunity she could get..anyway..we set out on Lake Ontario and before I knew it I was flying, yea, out on the trapeze, horizontal...omg..it was awesome and incredible and I wasnt really scared..I was too busy to be I guess. my father was born near the sea (liverpool) and all my life i have loved being near the ocean, and I wonder why the draw is there. Deep peace. nw: the david milgaard story *shudder* - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > Okay, Anne said "planing" (or is it "plaining"?) (pronouncead as > PLAIN-ing) > so I have to weigh in. My father's sailboat did this a few times. > If the > breeze was coming from across a stern corner at about 15 miles per > hour, the > whole hull lifted straight UP about 3 inches and it suddenly sped up > just > slightly. It doesn't sound like much but ladies and gentlemen I > assure you, > just the memory of it makes my scalp swell over with > gooseflesh............. > > > Anne said, > > Sounds like you were 'planing' Bob! And, yeah it's the > > BEST rush there is. There's nothing like 'hiking out' > > (leaning out) over the waves and having the hull just > > skim over the sufrace. (An engineer will tell you > > something about breaking the water surface tension, but > > that just sounds so mundane compared to what it feels > > like!) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:08:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Father's Day, njc deep peace yeah and also deep immersion in being so busy that you are beyond time invigorated like hiking in the mountains finally beyond thinking finally beyond feeling just being > From: Mags N Brei [mailto:magsnbrei@yahoo.com] > the only experience i've had with sailing was on a 505 years ago with > my sister who was a real sailor. She raced at every opportunity she > could get..anyway..we set out on Lake Ontario and before I knew it I > was flying, yea, out on the trapeze, horizontal...omg..it was awesome > and incredible and I wasnt really scared..I was too busy to be I guess. > > my father was born near the sea (liverpool) and all my life i have > loved being near the ocean, and I wonder why the draw is there. Deep > peace. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #259 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?