From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #254 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 15 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 254 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Pancake Place [David Marine ] [none] ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: The Pancake Place ["kakki" ] Gender, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Sad news for Weather Channel addicts (njc) [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The Pancake Place [cat627@cs.com] RE: joni songs, anyone? [cat627@cs.com] RE: joni songs, anyone? [cat627@cs.com] re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) ["c Karma" ] re: Joni songs, anyone ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) ["gene mock" ] Bowie and the future [dsk ] Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) ["kakki" ] Joni & Neil a pair of Maple Leafs ["brian symes" ] Ruby in a black man's ear ["brian symes" ] down to you-njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Amelia's Song ["brian symes" ] Re: Self harmonization... [Ken ] Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts now Hippy Dippy Weatherman(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni songs anyone? [cat627@cs.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #253 - Off-Key, On-purpose? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #253 - NJC - Judy's voice and behavior [BRYAN8847@a] Re: through the wall njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) ["Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Pancake Place Hi List -- Joni flat? I don't think so. Joni's pitch bending is at times even miraclulous. If she is flat, I guess so was Sarah Vaughn......and Betty Carter was just plain tone deaf. David always >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:23:45 +0100 >> From: Gordon Mackie >> Subject: The pancake place >> >> Dear All >> >> S'much as I love her, Joni often sings off key and can be, as the >> saying goes 'as flat as a pancake'...it doesn't bother me that much >> though. The obvious one is in Down to You when she sings 'and your >> lonliness'...and it trails off as if she's fallen asleep. But >> hey..who's perfect.... >> >> Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:42:41 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: [none] >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:04:01 EDT >From: PPeterson4@aol.com >Subject: Shadows and Light on DVD > >I have been looking for this for years and never expected to find it, >but >today at an HMV in NYC which is closing and selling off its inventory, >I >found a DVD import which plays on my player (NTSC, zoned for the USA)! >So the others of you out there looking for this it exists. The label is >Panorama Music Video. I found the Shadows and Light DVD at CD Universe and they will ship it anywhere. Can't wait to see and listen to one of my favorite Joni ever. Raf _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:54:48 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The Pancake Place Hi David, With your subject line I'm having visions of Joni waiting tables at IHOP ;-) I've never heard Joni as flat - always thought she (to put it clumsily) invented new pitches. Felt the same about Sarah and Laura Nyro and that is one of the prime reasons they have always been in my top three (or maybe four since recently adding Julia Fordham). Their distinctive and original vocals is what caught me from the beginning, and (for better or worse) from listening to them, tend to bend pitches myself when singing. I don't know much about Betty Carter but now I have your recommendation to check her out, too ;-) Kakki > Joni flat? I don't think so. Joni's pitch bending is at times even > miraclulous. If she is flat, I guess so was Sarah Vaughn......and Betty > Carter was just plain tone deaf. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:39:51 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Gender, NJC > From: "Marianne Rizzo" > Subject: gender > > Laurent, > Are you male or female? > > I can't tell by your name. :) > Hi Marianne, M.A.N, but I'm glad you asked, it shows I have feminine qualities in my posts (women are smarter, no doubt about it). Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:03:48 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Sad news for Weather Channel addicts (njc) I've long been a an avid "Weather channel" watcher and I'm very sorry to hear about John Hope. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:14:28 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 13/06/02 20:46:36 GMT Daylight Time, WARREN901@aol.com > writes: > > << i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't joni one of the first to > overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't recall anyone else doing it > at the time joni was. >> > > Hmmm, Joni may have been ONE of the first, certainly not THE first. Laura > Nyro (one of a very small number of her contemporaries whom Joni has lavishly > praised, and rightly so) was doing that on her second album, Eli & The 13th > Confession, in 1967. The first was Patti Page. It became her trademark sound. Jerry np: Emmy Lou - Barbara Allen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. I may have said this before but several people have claimed to have invented multi-tracking and I'll bet every single one of them used it to "put on some kind of harmony". Anyway, my own personal favorite is the idea that multi-tracking was invented by a person who's name we have all heard for another invention: Les Paul. Lamadoo >WARREN901@aol.com writes: > << i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't > joni one of the first to > overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't > recall anyone else doing it > at the time joni was. >> > - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Hmmm, Joni may have been ONE of the first, certainly > not THE first. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Sad news for Weather Channel addicts (njc) Sherelle wrote: > I don't know if I am the only Weather Channel addict (Melissa Etheridge > admitted on Jay Leno that she was one too) but all evening I have been > watching a tribute to the passing of John Hope, the Weather Channel's > hurricane expert. This makes me sad as well. I liked John Hope and almost felt like I knew him. My brother Joe is one of the lead forecasters for the National Weather Service. He'd met John Hope quite a few times and really liked him. Joe does the daily forecasting, but his expertise is in coastal storms, so he goes to the hurricane center in Florida for conferences every year. So, of course, he'd gotten to know John Hope. There's another foreacaster on the WC whose first name is Paul and whose last name escapes me at the moment (senior moment...) Anyway he and Joe literally worked next to each other for years. After Paul started working at the WC, my mother would call my brother every time Paul was on TV. It was sort of cute, but it drove Joe nuts after a while. I think she finally figured out Paul was on regularly, so she stopped calling Joe about it. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. I think Thelonious Monk would have liked Paprika Plains in places. When she stops the show to repeatedly bang a single note, it reminds me of Monk. She uses the same sense of dramatic stillness at the beginning of "Chinese Cafe". Yummy. Have I ever told you guys that I sorta like Joni's piano playing.... a little? Lamadoo - --- Lori in MD wrote: > I seem to remember something about Mingus being > impressed that Joni had the huevos to play an out of > tune piano on Paprika Plains. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:35:14 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Self harmonization... WARREN901@aol.com writes: << i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't joni one of the first to overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't recall anyone else doing it at the time joni was. >> Buddy Holly, 1958? - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:41:46 -0400 From: cat627@cs.com Subject: Re: The Pancake Place Hi, Personally I think if Joni does sing flat, she does it on purpose. I remember taking singing lessons and was practicing a Joni song and my singing teacher said Joni sings certain notes to create a certain sound or feel, I on the other hand am just singing flat. I have never heard a flat note come out of her mouth unless it was just in conversation....*she said flatly* Cat David Marine wrote: >Hi List -- > >Joni flat? I don't think so. Joni's pitch bending is at times even >miraclulous. If she is flat, I guess so was Sarah Vaughn......and Betty >Carter was just plain tone deaf. > >David > > >always >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:23:45 +0100 >>> From: Gordon Mackie >>> Subject: The pancake place >>> >>> Dear All >>> >>> S'much as I love her, Joni often sings off key and can be, as the >>> saying goes 'as flat as a pancake'...it doesn't bother me that much >>> though. The obvious one is in Down to You when she sings 'and your >>> lonliness'...and it trails off as if she's fallen asleep. But >>> hey..who's perfect.... >>> >>> Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:48:25 -0400 From: cat627@cs.com Subject: RE: joni songs, anyone? Hello again, I thought of another obvious one by Neil Young....Sweet Joni from Saskatoon. Cat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:46:51 -0400 From: cat627@cs.com Subject: RE: joni songs, anyone? Hello, I had heard thru the grapevine that *We have no secrets* by Carly Simon was about Joni. *Some child came you never asked for her to come. She drank a pint of your rum. And later when you told me, you said she was a bore... Joni a bore? Surely it is about somebody else or Miss Simon is a jealous type...and with good reason. Joni looks blows most peoples out of the water. Just an opinion. Cat Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Since Joseph from the Philippines raised the issue that "Joni in Fiction" is missing a "Joni in Song" section (DOH!), Les has created a new category for songs that are either about Joni, or that mention her. I remember that we had this discussion about a year and a half ago and I thought it was pretty interesting. In any case, I would like to add this info to the database while it's somewhat of a topic . . . so I thought we could: > >a) Have this discussion again > >b) People could e-mail me the info off list > >c) Listers could go to JMDL.com, click on "Joni in Fiction" and send the info along by filling out the form > >d) Anyone with a better memory that I could give me some idea of when this thread was happening so I can get the info from the archives > >A couple of listers have already told me off list about the Prince "Dorothy Parker" song, and I remember that "Our House" was supposed to have been written about Joni, but after that the field is wide open. > >So if anyone is interested in a "Joni in Song" thread, I guess it will just happen. Otherwise please contact me off list or through the form Les has provided that you can fill out at "Joni in Fiction." > >Thanks for your help! > >Take care, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:33:43 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) Thanks for letting us know that sad news, Sherelle. Hope was a very well respected science journalist. He definitely gave TWC both color and gravity, working far beyond "normal" retirement age to provide crucial information that likely saved lives. Yes, I admit to being a TWC addict. I somehow doubt your speculation that Joni might be one since Southern California weather varies little and infrequently. They have more use for The Traffic Channel there. When I'm in LA on business, the "local on the 8s" portion is usually given over to repeating satellite views of the four quadrants of the continental US. I guess even TWC can't find enough interesting ways to say, "sunny and mild." How did George Carlin put it, something like, "gradually increasing darkness later this evening." CC "They're such sky oriented people. Geared to changing weather." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:39:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) c Karma wrote: > How did George Carlin put it, something like, "gradually increasing darkness > later this evening." The Hippy Dippy Weatherman. A couple of lows tonight, with lots of little highs all over California! np: Rufus Wainwright - Two Gold Rings ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:50:30 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Joni as inspiration On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:30:33, RoseMJoy wrote: >> Thanks Raffaele! Speaking of Joni influence, I remember that webpage you >> designed. Is it still accessible and if so, could you post the link to it >> again? I'm sure other some of the new listers would love to see it. and Raffaele Malanga responded: > Hello Rose > yes, the website is still online at > > http://www.malanga.co.uk/selfportrait > > There's also another one that I put together a few years ago, and it's about > Joni's painting exhibition in London. The link is > > http://www.malanga.co.uk/diary to which I respond: Thanks! Interesting self portrait - you've come up with some really imaginative responses to the inspiration she provided with her lyrics. I especially liked "ask me" (great choral effects if you're fast enough with the mouse) and "dreaming," particularly part 3. Great stuff. As for the Joni gallery diary, wow! What fantastic paintings! My exposure to Joni's brushwork is limited to the reproductions on her album covers, the exhibit briefly seen on the Painting With Words And Music DVD, and the few pics I've seen here and there on the internet. Was not aware of her more adventurous and abstract work. As a painter, I find this work inspiring. Thanks for posting it! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:07:19 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni songs, anyone This is totally unconfirmed, but maybe someone on this list has the inside scoop. "Going to California" - Led Zeppelin "Cowgirl in the Sand" - Neil Young Also, did Manfred Mann's Earthband have a song about Joni, or did they just use one of her lines from BYT? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:02:39 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) Chris wrote: > Thanks for letting us know that sad news, Sherelle. Hope was a very well > respected science journalist. He definitely gave TWC both color and > gravity, working far beyond "normal" retirement age to provide crucial > information that likely saved lives. Yes, he will be missed. > Yes, I admit to being a TWC addict. I somehow doubt your speculation that > Joni might be one since Southern California weather varies little and > infrequently. Fellow addict, too, since its inception. Hey, I don't care whose weather I'm watching - it all fascinates me and provides a glimpse into that *real* weather in other locales that I miss here. They do have a lot of local coverage when the big rains/waves come in and also have constant wind and precipitation reports during the brushfire season. > I guess even TWC can't find enough interesting ways to say, "sunny and mild." > How did George Carlin put it, something like, "gradually increasing darkness > later this evening." LOL - love it! There was another great one I've heard that listed the SoCal seasons as Floods, Fog, Summer and Brushfires. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:20:54 EDT From: VoxPopular@aol.com Subject: Re: Self harmonization... << WARREN901@aol.com writes: << i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't joni one of the first to overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't recall anyone else doing it at the time joni was. >> In a message dated 6/14/02 7:39:20 AM, steve@psitech.com writes: Buddy Holly, 1958? >> Patti Page, "Confess" July 1948; "Eyes Wide Open" Jan 1950. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:27:56 -0400 From: "Sherman" Subject: joni moment Hi all, Recently we were in Dover, DEL taking my pop to a NASCAR race. It was hot as Hades so we made a run into the nearest WAWA Market for liquid refreshments. We are opening and shutting big refrigerated cooler doors and running the ice machine, so it took a while for my auditory acuity to realize what was playing in the store. When I realized , I hushed those around me to be sure. My husband and daughter knew what was coming and rolled their eyes with grins on their faces...... Yep, it was a Joni moment. "He comes for CONVERSATION.........." doododo dodododo..... I was ceratinly surprised to think that song made it to the WAWA musak tape. My husband asked the clerk if she was a Joni fan and she just shrugged and said disinterested ,"whatever it is gets piped in." It was a delightful interjection! WAWA has been enlightened. Best to all, Janine NP: FTR: Banquet Still on this FTR kick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:51:36 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) > LOL - love it! There was another great one I've heard that listed the SoCal > seasons as Floods, Fog, Summer and Brushfires. ;-) > > Kakki > I thought SoCal seasons were more like Mudslides, Fog, Smog, and Brushfires. Why don't you think about relocating to Northern Cal. Where there is plenty of water and home to the 2003 NBA Champion Sacramento Kings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take Care gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Nisimoto on Joni I was doing a little research on Neil Young's "Sweet Joni" and ran into this interesting link: http://members.aol.com/nisimoto/jmitchel.htm Also see: http://members.aol.com/nisimoto/ and: http://members.aol.com/nisimoto/nisimoto.htm Hmmm ... Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:17:52 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Bowie and the future Randy Remote wrote: > > This is fascinating. Do you think he is right? > In a recent NYTimes article, David Bowie said: > > > "The absolute transformation of everything that we ever thought > > about music will take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be > > able to stop it. I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not > > going to happen. I'm fully confident that copyright, for instance, will > > no longer exist in 10 years, and authorship and intellectual property is > > in for such a bashing." > > > > "Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity," he > > added. "So it's like, just take advantage of these last few years > > because none of this is ever going to happen again. You'd better be > > prepared for doing a lot of touring because that's really the only > > unique situation that's going to be left. I'm not sure about having no copyrights anymore, but intellectual property is already being bashed. Who's created what, and how they'll get paid for it, is just going to get even more complicated. Everything on the net seems up for grabs, for free, not just music but information and visuals, too. Music in tv ads seems the way a lot of artists are going, but ads as we've known them won't exist much longer either now that they can be bypassed with the latest technology. So it's all ajumble and I'm sure highly anxiety provoking for many people. The big record store nearby that's preparing to close its doors is influencing my thoughts, but I imagine that within five years there won't be any such store anywhere. There may be specialty stores selling cds similar to the ones that sell vinyl now, although if most people are just downloading music, how many cds will be made to sell at those stores? Cds might be mere souvenirs for the die-hard fans, maybe just something to be bought at a concert. I'm already missing the way it has been, that when someone talks about Blue, for example, I know what it looks like, how it sounds, the order of the songs, the "feel" of the album. So, supposing Joni's next 10 songs are only available by downloading, do we have to pay for (or take) all 10? or can we pick and choose and put them in whatever order pleases us? And maybe not even bother with downloading the artwork Joni created, but come up with our own cover. In an environment where the artist's vision and efforts are so underappreciated, it's no wonder Joni's not writing anymore. Her individual songs might be appreciated and listened to, but I think she wants to get across more than just a snappy tune or two. Of course, making personal collections has been done for a long time, and I've enjoyed putting together some compilations myself. But these days the "core" material that we can all share and talk about and buy still exists, so the personal collections are an enjoyable offshoot, not the only thing. I may not be making any sense with this, and perhaps just enjoying and sharing individual songs will be enough once I get used to the idea. Last night I listened to a new cd on my portable player and had the cover open, the booklet spread out and was reading the lyrics as I listened, the same routine I had when listening to a new album, trying to get to know not only the music but the artist, too. My co-worker listened to songs on a little mp3 player, no visuals at all, and he seemed quite content. I felt very behind the times. Anyway, back to Bowie... since artists won't have much say in how their recorded work is taken in, I do agree with him when he says that live concerts will be the only unique situation for an artist. And there will always be live performances since people have always gathered to share storytelling, whether it's in music or plays or comedy or poetry reading or even speeches. There's something compelling about sharing that "of the momentness", not only between performer and audience, but among the audience too, so, yes, touring is going to be extremely important, not only because the artist can control the presentation of their art, but also because it may be the only way they get paid (to some extent that's the case now). None of this bodes well for Joni. It'll be interesting to see how she maneuvers through this. Anyone else have any musings about the musical future? And especially of how artists will fare? Debra Shea NP: "Hard on Me" (12 minutes of wow-ness!) from Richard Thompson's new, fantastic, live, sold-only-on-his-website cd, Semi-Detached Mock Tudor. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:35:50 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts (NJC) Gene wrote: > I thought SoCal seasons were more like Mudslides, Fog, Smog, and Brushfires. Yes, that's it! > Why don't you think about relocating to Northern Cal. Where there is > plenty of water and home to the 2003 NBA Champion Sacramento > Kings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heh, well that would be very cool if the Kings snagged it next year. I just watched the Lakers parade out my window and on TV. Unfreakingbelievable!! They said this is the biggest yet and there are a MILLION people on the street in just a few blocks. They are down at Staples now dancing along to the Laker Girls and band. Wonder if Jack Nicholson is there? They should really put him up on one of the parade trucks after all these years ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:50:34 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Jazz and the Village Voice Great article in the June 11th Village Voice called PostWar Jazz: An Arbitrary Road Map. Joni influences and friends such as Charlers Mingus, Miles Davis, and Wayne Shorter are prominently profiled. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:22:47 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Joni & Neil a pair of Maple Leafs In "Sweet Joni" Neil wrote Sweet Joni from Saskatoon There's a ring in your finger It looks like the sun But it feels like the Moon also off Time Fades Away which was from 1973 The last stanza in "Don't Be Denied" Well all that glitters isn't gold I know you've heard that story told. And I'm a pauper in a naked duiguise A millionaire through a business man eyes. Oh friend of mine Don't be denied. I find this offkey string interesting like the field/ground theory in gesalt like a lost key,a new word or the latest palm pilot its like the opposite of the main theme of BYT You don't know what you got till its gone/Once you have it you can't live with out it Brian O'Brain " NP Circle Games Miles of Ailes, Best out of tune Joni - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:54:54 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Ruby in a black man's ear At an lecture given by Philip Johnson (Architect) at Harvard's Gund Hall. He said it was all right to steal Idea's from others, but he added that you should do it from the very best! NP Hilary Hahn Brahms Voilin Concertos The Black Velvet dress she wears on the CD cover is so Seductive! its that Shadows and Light Thing. - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:26:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: down to you-njc mack wrote: >>Why? Can't explain it though have surmised it is the inner me looking for the thrills that are so absent in this life that I live...It is not easy to admit to oneself that they want to go to the dark side of their inner being...Stuck to this place and this life by familial obligation, fear, and uncertainty; as the years pass, the wrinkles grow, and my spirit slowly dies away. Got to find the way out of this bottle that I am in, somehow. The end result of it all is that it is down to you and down to me.<<<<< This dark side of an inner being is sometimes called the shadow, a most essential place to visit for those who pursue their creative art, or for those who are compelled to do the inner work in order to discover what is holding them back in life, in love, etc... I have NO idea if this makes any sense to you, in the place you are at Mack...but this is what your post inspired me to write... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:20:23 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Amelia's Song Half of my tapes in my vehicle start out with Amelia,Hejira- Amelia and Pat's Solo, Shadows and Light.When I drive with my 3.5 year Daughter Amelia, She always asks for her Song. For the last year we would sing together through part's of it, but just last Friday she told me Stop DDAADD it's my song let me sing. At least she let me whistle with Pat later on. NP: At Last, Joni BSN - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:27:25 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Self harmonization... Hell no. David Seville was doing that with the Chipmunks in the 60's and I bet he wasn't the first. No one does it as good as Joni though. :^) VoxPopular@aol.com wrote: ><< WARREN901@aol.com writes: > ><< i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't joni one of the first to >overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't recall anyone else doing it >at the time joni was. >> > >In a message dated 6/14/02 7:39:20 AM, steve@psitech.com writes: > >Buddy Holly, 1958? >> > > >Patti Page, "Confess" July 1948; "Eyes Wide Open" Jan 1950. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:32:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sad News for Weather Channel addicts now Hippy Dippy Weatherman(NJC) - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > c Karma wrote: > > > How did George Carlin put it, something like, > "gradually increasing darkness > > later this evening." > > The Hippy Dippy Weatherman. > A couple of lows tonight, with lots of little highs > all over California! > And this classic: "Tonight's forecast? Dark! Continued mostly dark tonight with scattered light in the morning." ______________________________________________________________________ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:52:58 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Self harmonization... In a message dated 6/14/02 5:27:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slarty@sympatico.ca writes: > Hell no. David Seville was doing that with the Chipmunks in the 60's and > I bet he wasn't the first. > No one does it as good as Joni though. :^) > > LOL Ken! That really was Joni singing NRH. We think she's says "Hula girls and canterpillar tractors in the sand", but if you put your LP on 45 speed,she reallys says: "Want a plane that loops the loop, Me I want a hula hoop, night ride home". :~D Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:28:58 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. Yes, Les Paul is generally credited with inventing multitracking and overdubbing. He began overdubbing using disc cutters in 1934. His first commercial recordings using this technique came out in 1948. His first record featuring vocals by his wife Mary Ford was "Cryin'" in June of 1950. It's unclear to me whether the harmonies were done by her or backup singers. Later that year Patti Page had a hit with "The Tennessee Waltz" accompanying herself. So one of those two records was the first example of someone overdubbing their own harmonies. Bing Crosby gave Les Paul one of the first Ampex tape recorders made in 1949, and he immediately mounted a second recording head on it and began using the "sound on sound" technique to make his. "multiples". He invented the eight track in 1953, and claims he walked into Ampex with the idea, they laughed at him, then stole the idea, patenting it the next day. RR > I may have said this before but several people have > claimed to have invented multi-tracking and I'll bet > every single one of them used it to "put on some kind > of harmony". > > Anyway, my own personal favorite is the idea that > multi-tracking was invented by a person who's name we > have all heard for another invention: Les Paul. > > Lamadoo > > >WARREN901@aol.com writes: > > << i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't > > joni one of the first to > > overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't > > recall anyone else doing it > > at the time joni was. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:45:24 -0400 From: cat627@cs.com Subject: Re: joni songs anyone? Quick question, Did or did not Robert Plant write about Joni in the song Going to California? Cat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:50:48 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #253 - Off-Key, On-purpose? In a message dated 6/14/02 12:06:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > S'much as I love her, Joni often sings off key and can be, as the > saying goes 'as flat as a pancake'...it doesn't bother me that much > though. The obvious one is in Down to You when she sings 'and your > lonliness'...and it trails off as if she's fallen asleep. But > hey..who's perfect.... > > I wonder about the assumption about the vocal in Down to You. I have always thought the 'flatness' or "off-keyness" of that line is quite deliberate. Not as obviously deliberate as the semi-comical and off-key "I got the blues inside and outside my head" in Blue Motel Room, but deliberate nonetheless. I'm not claiming Joni has (or ever had) perfect pitch of course, but I think she is brave and honest enough as a singer to utter off-key sounds, especially when its add to emotion of the lyric. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 02:01:44 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #253 - NJC - Judy's voice and behavior In a message dated 6/14/02 12:06:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > I used to be a big fan of Judy Collins, and I thought her voice was so > pretty.but her voice doesn't sound as beautiful as it used to,to me.I > wonder if it has to do with how I see her now as a person.I used to read > her message board on her website,and her behavior towards her fans was > disgraceful,especially in the last few months of the message board,before > it was shut down.I lost a great deal of respect for her.I wonder if that's > a reason her voice no longer sounds so good to I've heard Judy live several times in recent years. She hits some flat notes but by and large her voice is in incredible shape. In fact, her range has actually expanded upward as she has aged. About her behavior -- this is all speculative and second-hand -- there was a lot of dissing Judy on the Janis Ian discussion forum in the last few months (usually started by Janis herself, I'm not kidding) about her rumored rude behavior with fans. I really don't know, the one time I met her she was quite polite, (even though I met her at a book signing and I didn't buy the book!). I think Judy and Janis had some kind of falling out during the Wildflower tour last year (borderline gossip, I know). Bryan Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:52:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: through the wall njc > >I don't believe any of the above artists died as a result of feeling > artistically irrelevant> > > I agree with this statement but I believe that Cobain killed* himself > because of his fear of becoming artistically irrelevant Oh come on, now, we all know Courtney MADE Kurt kill himself! Mark E in Seattle feeling peculiarly irreverent and silly tonight ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:50:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) > About Rufus' and Martha's father, Azeem writes: > Does Colin have a dog named Rufus now? Mark E in Seattle way behind on Joni mail ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #254 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?