From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #253 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 14 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 253 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni as inspiration ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Joni as inspiration [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Carolina In My Mind (James Taylor) [OzWoman321@aol.com] Craig Armstrong [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Flat Joni [Jennymac48@aol.com] The pancake place [Gordon Mackie ] NJC Re: (family) jewels NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: NJC Re: (family) jewels NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: The pancake place ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: literature in joni - a ball you can run with! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: literature in joni - a ball you can run with! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Humourous thought for the day njc [Brian Gross ] Re: Flat Joni [jan gyn ] Judy Collins(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Judy Collins(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: The pancake place [Randy Remote ] Re: Judy Collins(NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] gender ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [Lori in MD ] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [Randy Remote ] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [Lori in MD ] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [Denny Giovanetti ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:36:00 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Joni as inspiration >From: RoseMJoy@aol.com >To: r_malanga@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Joni as inspiration >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:30:33 EDT > >Thanks Raffaele! Speaking of Joni influence, I remember that webpage you >designed. Is it still accessible and if so, could you post the link to it >again? I'm sure other some of the new listers would love to see it. > >rose Hello Rose yes, the website is still online at http://www.malanga.co.uk/selfportrait There's also another one that I put together a few years ago, and it's about Joni's painting exhibition in London. The link is http://www.malanga.co.uk/diary Raf _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:38:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni as inspiration In a message dated 6/13/02 4:36:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, r_malanga@hotmail.com writes: > Hello Rose > yes, the website is still online at > > http://www.malanga.co.uk/selfportrait > > There's also another one that I put together a few years ago, and it's > about > Joni's painting exhibition in London. The link is > > http://www.malanga.co.uk/diary > > Raf > Thanks for posting the links again Raffaele. I had it bookmarked a while back, but lost the link when I upgraded my version of AOL. I love your self portrait, it's so kewl. Thanks again for sharing it with us. rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:00:58 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Carolina In My Mind (James Taylor) Hello, All - Victor writes: > This is an interesting thread. Since I've been here in Asheville, I've > written seven songs now(the muse is being very kind) and I wouldn't think > this is so unusual but each time I've started to write something, I've been > inspired by completely different artists, creating a strange hybrid of > their style and my own. I mean, I've been inspired by different people for > years...Rush, Grateful Dead, Jethro Tull, Ella Fitzgerald, REM, etc...but > its never been so rampidly different over the course of two months. India > Arie, James Taylor, Elton John, Neil Young, Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, and > just today Tom Waits. And it feels as you describe above, weaving into a > completely new work that is unique. > > I'm begininning to believe more and more that Asheville is a very unusual > place, a spiritual hub where unusual things can happen. There is a > bookstore downtown(a very cool one Allison!) where I am able to go and > actually lose awareness of everything surrounding me, while people are > still milling about and getting coffee or reading books or whatever. The > real world almost begins to seem secondary to the spiritual world that is > constantly weaving and thriving. > > Kind of spooky and exciting at the same time... From what I've been hearing over the last few years, it sounds like Asheville is some kind of folk music "Mecca" - if you build it, they will come! I always joke that there has to be something in the water - how else to explain the talents of Christine Kane, Billy Jonas, David LaMotte, Chris Rosser and David Wilcox all in the same place?... :-) Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "Well, I love the way the world is your garden And you plant your seeds and you let them grow And you take things out of the ground just like You take what comes, but you never know..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:10:51 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Craig Armstrong Raf You may be interested to know that I used to work with Craig Armstrong and one of my work colleagues was until 2 months ago, literally his next door neighbour. Craig also did work on the Luhrman 'Romeo and Juliet' and his album The Space Between Us is a very interesting listen. He still lives in Glasgow but has bought fancier digs in a beter part of town with the Moulin Rouge proceeds (so I'm told). One track form the above named album was used by the French car company Renault as a backdrop to a tv ad with Claudia Schiffer. Im so excited (how sad) that one of the few famous people I know got a mention here! Back to lurk mode for me ! Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:26:59 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Re: Flat Joni Mary P. wrote > But has anyone else thought that Joni was just plain FLAT on the last, > drawn-out "awaaaaaayyyy" from the chorus of "Peoples' Parties?" > > I always thought it sounded so flat because the piano intro of the next > song that piggyback's onto said flat awaaaayyyyy is in a different tune. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:23:45 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: The pancake place Dear All S'much as I love her, Joni often sings off key and can be, as the saying goes 'as flat as a pancake'...it doesn't bother me that much though. The obvious one is in Down to You when she sings 'and your lonliness'...and it trails off as if she's fallen asleep. But hey..who's perfect.... Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:55:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: (family) jewels NJC <> LOL! I know what you mean...BUT it works both ways. On the way down to the beach, he turned me on to Boxcar Racer, the new Rush, and Incubus. I liked them all except the Rush. Geddy Lee's voice is like fingernails on a blackboard to me. But I found if I just focus on Peart's expert drumming, I can make it through. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:2:28 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: NJC Re: (family) jewels NJC I liked > them all except the Rush. Geddy Lee's voice is like fingernails on a > blackboard to me. But I found if I just focus on Peart's expert drumming, I > can make it through. > Geddy Lee was my mentor all the way through highschool and into college. I remember trying all the time to sing like him, really high, until..oddly enough...I discovered Joni Mitchell and she kind of took over as my angel of inspiration. I'm not so keen on the new album. I've noticed on the last couple they've done, the songs don't really stick in my head like they used to. And this new record is so dense and so busy I find it hard to figure out where the melody is. And I can see how the younger generation would find it appealing though. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:03:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Flat Joni In a message dated 6/13/2002 9:27:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jennymac48@aol.com writes: > < > song that piggyback's onto said flat awaaaayyyyy is in a different tune.>> > > This is my take on it as well, that she's transitioning to "Same Situation" and using that "blue note" as a bridge. It's never sounded off to my ear, matter of fact Court & Spark is one of the few records I know that features perfect sonics throughout. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: literature in joni - a ball you can run with! He of pointed little head (I wonder which head was being referred to?) said to my Movin Marvelous Mags: "That's great, Mags! I will be glad to help you in any way. I think this would be a wonderful and very worthwhile addition to the site. You'll learn a lot while doing it, and probably meet lots of nice Jersey librarians along the way!" Besides Deb Messling (who actually works in PA, but lives in NJ), are there any other nice Jersey librarians here on the JMDL? Back to work here, Brei (wondering if A.G. Bell and his buddy Watson were as lucky as Magsnbrei) ===== After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: The pancake place > The obvious one is in Down to You when she sings 'and your > lonliness'...and it trails off as if she's fallen asleep. I think that was intentional. Doesn't it leave you feeling lonely? Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:53:25 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: The pancake place I always found it to be intentional too Lori. It does leave me lonely and perfectly conveys that emotion, as well as desperation, hopelessness, and the black, dark, swirling pit there. More of the pure genius of Joni Mitchell. mack > > The obvious one is in Down to You when she sings 'and your > > lonliness'...and it trails off as if she's fallen asleep. > > I think that was intentional. Doesn't it leave you feeling lonely? > > Lori > > ~ > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:50:24 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: literature in joni - a ball you can run with! Brian writes: << He of pointed little head (I wonder which head was being referred to?) >> The blue one! --Bob (AKA "Smurf") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:51:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: literature in joni - a ball you can run with! Oops. Forgot to change the tag on that last one. Sorry, Joni-only people! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Humourous thought for the day njc If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you've never tried before. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:32:17 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: down to you-njc My vacation has been good in some ways and not so in others. It has been somewhat anticlimactic as I search for things to do, at least things that I want to do that fit into the image one gives themselves as they wait in anticipation of those coming days. Akin to the Saturday Night Swindle it is. This time off has been lovely yet lonely, exciting yet fruitless, and unadorned by the companionship THAT I SEEK while I purposely avoid those that offer themselves to me. I went down to the pickup station and, again, lived the lines that Joni sings about in that particular tune. I found myself in an area that some would deem unsavory and, in truth, it is so. Dangerous, dark, and full of individuals looking for their own way. Avoiding the places full of cardboard cutouts (pretty gay men in tight clothing, poppers, one-upmanship, stereotypical homosexuals with emptiness where genuine emotion and thought should be), I searched for and found the den of drug dealing, prostitution, and the homeless. Why? Can't explain it though have surmised it is the inner me looking for the thrills that are so absent in this life that I live. Find so many of my thoughts and actions traveling along inside my head and during my life in tune and in unison with what Joni has sang to me. Not necessarily following her blindly but she has the ability to know and to put down the intricacies inside of our heads and our souls, before they even happen. Maybe the commonality of us all yet I don't think so since so many just do not get it. It is not easy to admit to oneself that they want to go to the dark side of their inner being. Not as eloquent as our dear friend but the raw part of this being wants to be just that, throwing away goodie pretention but is constrained by religious dogma, well-smellt baskets, and the infernal, eternal right thing to do. "a park, a bridge, a tree, a river." Been there, done that, countless and eternally have done that. Stuck to this place and this life by familial obligation, fear, and uncertainty; as the years pass, the wrinkles grow, and my spirit slowly dies away. Got to find the way out of this bottle that I am in, somehow. The end result of it all is that it is down to you and down to me. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:06:34 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Flat Joni > Mary P. wrote > > But has anyone else thought that Joni was just plain FLAT on the last, > > drawn-out "awaaaaaayyyy" from the chorus of "Peoples' Parties?" > > I always thought it sounded so flat because the piano intro of the next > > song that piggyback's onto said flat awaaaayyyyy is in a different tune. Whaddya want, Pamela Anderson? Androgeny rules... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:47:07 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Judy Collins(NJC) I used to be a big fan of Judy Collins,and I thought her voice was so pretty.but her voice doesn't sound as beautiful as it used to,to me.I wonder if it has to do with how I see her now as a person.I used to read her message board on her website,and her behavior towards her fans was disgraceful,especially in the last few months of the message board,before it was shut down.I lost a great deal of respect for her.I wonder if that's a reason her voice no longer sounds so good to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:47:01 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Judy Collins(NJC) I used to be a big fan of Judy Collins,and I thought her voice was so pretty.but her voice doesn't sound as beautiful as it used to,to me.I wonder if it has to do with how I see her now as a person.I used to read her message board on her website,and her behavior towards her fans was disgraceful,especially in the last few months of the message board,before it was shut down.I lost a great deal of respect for her.I wonder if that's a reason her voice no longer sounds so good to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:02:15 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The pancake place Whaa?? Often?? Not to my ears. Gordon Mackie wrote: > Dear All > > S'much as I love her, Joni often sings off key and can be, as the > saying goes 'as flat as a pancake'...it doesn't bother me that much > though. The obvious one is in Down to You when she sings 'and your > lonliness'...and it trails off as if she's fallen asleep. But > hey..who's perfect.... > > Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:44:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy Collins(NJC) Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I used to be a big fan of Judy Collins,and I thought her voice was so pretty.but her voice doesn't sound as beautiful as it used to,to me.I wonder if it has to do with how I see her now as a person.I used to read her message board on her website,and her behavior towards her fans was disgraceful,especially in the last few months of the message board,before it was shut down.I lost a great deal of respect for her.I wonder if that's a reason her voice no longer sounds so good to me. I have never found that to be true throughout the 30 plus years I have been attending her concerts and communicating with her as a fan. I have always received personal responses from her, both written and by email, and when I sent my copy of her books to her to be signed they were always sent back to me with personal inscription. A JMDL list member wrote to her after the TNT special and she took the time to immediately respond to him and the list. There was a time back when she had nodes on her throat and had surgery to remove them. There was a period of about 3 years before she got her voice full strength. Having heard her live three times in the past 3 years I can assure you her voice is as pure and crystal clear as ever. Much more than most singers half her age. And after 40 years of performing and dozens of albums she still studies voice weekly in NYC. Jerry, an avid fan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:41:55 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: gender Laurent, Are you male or female? I can't tell by your name. :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:46:04 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. hey girls! just finished listening to 'peoples parties' and as i thought she is singing harmony, wonderful, infinite harmony with herself!!! as usual things in her harmony seem a little off kilter but you know that is one off the reasons i'm so drawn to joni's music. those off kilter harmonies add an ethereal quaility to her music that really pull me in.( jane siberry, another canadian singer - songwriter, has that same quality in her songs, i wouldn't be surprised to discover joni is one of her inspirations.) i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't joni one of the first to overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't recall anyone else doing it at the time joni was. regardless, i just love them... joni harmoniously yours, warren keith p.s. i seem to recall that the off kilter or off key orchestra on DJRD was one of the the reason charles mingus wanted to work with joni. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. > p.s. i seem to recall that the off kilter or off key orchestra on DJRD was > one of the the reason charles mingus wanted to work with joni. I seem to remember something about Mingus being impressed that Joni had the huevos to play an out of tune piano on Paprika Plains. Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:33:50 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. Lori in MD wrote: > > p.s. i seem to recall that the off kilter or off key orchestra on DJRD was > > one of the the reason charles mingus wanted to work with joni. > > I seem to remember something about Mingus being impressed that Joni had the huevos to play an out of tune piano on Paprika Plains. The piano is not in tune with the orchestra on PP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. > The piano is not in tune with the orchestra on PP. Of course I can't find it now, but somewhere in the recesses of my addled brain I seem to remember a story about Joni coming upon an old, out of tune piano that she decided to play/record in the condition in which she found it. Or am I just imagining that I read this? Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:16:49 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. In a message dated 13/06/02 20:46:36 GMT Daylight Time, WARREN901@aol.com writes: << i'm sure i have mentioned this before, wasn't joni one of the first to overlay her own voice for the harmonies? i don't recall anyone else doing it at the time joni was. >> Hmmm, Joni may have been ONE of the first, certainly not THE first. Laura Nyro (one of a very small number of her contemporaries whom Joni has lavishly praised, and rightly so) was doing that on her second album, Eli & The 13th Confession, in 1967. There was true genius. Rest In Peace, Laura. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. - --- Lori in MD wrote: >> The piano is not in tune with the orchestra on PP. > >Of course I can't find it now, but somewhere in the recesses of my addled brain I seem to remember a story about Joni coming upon an old, out of tune piano that she decided to play/record in the condition in which she found it. > >Or am I just imagining that I read this? I'll add my addled .02: I recall that she'd recorded one part of the piano track at one studio, concluding the latter portion at another, and the two pianos were not quite in tune with each other. There've been a couple of times when I wanted to crawl inside the speakers to get _really_ close to the pianos and hear what Mingus heard. Denny OBFiresign Theatre: "That's metaphysically absurd! How can I know what you hear?!!?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:28:09 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni songs, anyone? Since Joseph from the Philippines raised the issue that "Joni in Fiction" is missing a "Joni in Song" section (DOH!), Les has created a new category for songs that are either about Joni, or that mention her. I remember that we had this discussion about a year and a half ago and I thought it was pretty interesting. In any case, I would like to add this info to the database while it's somewhat of a topic . . . so I thought we could: a) Have this discussion again b) People could e-mail me the info off list c) Listers could go to JMDL.com, click on "Joni in Fiction" and send the info along by filling out the form d) Anyone with a better memory that I could give me some idea of when this thread was happening so I can get the info from the archives A couple of listers have already told me off list about the Prince "Dorothy Parker" song, and I remember that "Our House" was supposed to have been written about Joni, but after that the field is wide open. So if anyone is interested in a "Joni in Song" thread, I guess it will just happen. Otherwise please contact me off list or through the form Les has provided that you can fill out at "Joni in Fiction." Thanks for your help! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:34:04 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Sad news for Weather Channel addicts (njc) I don't know if I am the only Weather Channel addict (Melissa Etheridge admitted on Jay Leno that she was one too) but all evening I have been watching a tribute to the passing of John Hope, the Weather Channel's hurricane expert. John was born in 1919, and has been on the air almost up to the day he died. For those of you who caught the channel in passing, he was the elderly gentleman who would always give the hurricane updates. I was very surprised at my sadness due to his passing. I've gone to sleep with the Weather Channel, woke up to the Weather Channel, and kept the channel on as a source of comfort when loved ones far away were experiencing dangerous weather. John Hope will definitely be missed as I feel like he is almost like family. I know it's strange but it is truly how I feel.(I'll bet Joni watches the Weather Channel as well) Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:04:01 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Shadows and Light on DVD I have been looking for this for years and never expected to find it, but today at an HMV in NYC which is closing and selling off its inventory, I found a DVD import which plays on my player (NTSC, zoned for the USA)! So the others of you out there looking for this it exists. The label is Panorama Music Video. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:57:54 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Shadows and Light on DVD NJC PPeterson4@aol.com wrote: > > I have been looking for this for years and never expected to find it, but > today at an HMV in NYC which is closing and selling off its inventory, I > found a DVD import which plays on my player (NTSC, zoned for the USA)! > So the others of you out there looking for this it exists. The label is > Panorama Music Video. Hey, I was in there myself today picking up some cds from my very long wish list. I didn't want to even get started in the DVD section. Maybe tomorrow. Was that the last Shadows and Light? I'll check tomorrow since I'm finding some unusual things there, such as the Kirsty MacColl section that's suddenly appeared. First time I'd seen anything by her there. Among other things I finally got a Michael Hedges cd because of the positive way he's been discussed on the list and a cd by Innocence Mission, which I loved right away. Haven't heard the Michael one yet. I'm sure going to miss that store. It's nearby so I did a lot of impulse buying there, especially of what the dj was playing on that great sound system. Madonna's Ray of Light was one such purchase, and lots of Latin music that I wouldn't have known about otherwise. Also got advice sometimes from other shoppers, and was almost always able to find what I was looking for. Buying from cdnow is not going to be nearly as much fun. And it's hard to imagine that huge (for NYC anyway), 2-story space as an organic supermarket, which is what one of the clerks said it was going to become. Change is so weird sometimes. Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #253 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?