From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #251 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 251 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Through the wall, sort of ["Kate Bennett" ] Musicians/Elvis Costello - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] rufus...njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (family) jewels [Mags N Brei ] Re: Ben Christophers NJC ["Marian Russell " ] Strats, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: rufus...njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: rufus [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: rufus NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Self worth and Praise NJC [Steve Polifka ] Marcie's faucet needs a plumber -VERY (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni ("Hejira") mention in JUNEantha shaber... (Sam Shaber's e-newsletter) ["Garret" ] Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Bowie NJC [was Through the wall, sort of] ["Brenda" ] RE: through the wall njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: through the wall njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Jonifest Updates and Updates Attendees List [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: (family) jewels(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Re: (family) jewels [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: Re: (family) jewels ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni - she talks too much [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Loudon Wainwright III (njc) [AzeemAK@aol.com] RE: through the wall njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Czech Republic(njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: (family) jewels [WARREN901@aol.com] rhythm guitar songs of joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: rufus & chris & now bobbie too! (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:47:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Through the wall, sort of >So, maybe that would be my advice to Joni - have some fun!< that was the advise i was given, the first time i asked a friend of mine who had become really successful as a songwriter... ps, watching a neil young bio tonight (again) with a small joni moment singing with CSNY on stage somewhere...i am again amazed by the similarities between neil & joni's lives... canadian, polio, following their own muse regardless of what others think, extremely private people, etc. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:47:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Musicians/Elvis Costello - njc I agree with you Brenda, I was really excited when the show first aired as I love the Actor's Studio...but this show has got me feeling lukewarm & I've missed many...I missed both H&O as well as Heart but hope they are repeated...the host, as a journalist, knows music but his questions all seems so bland somehow...when the show opened, I was wondering what the heck Elvis was doing with all that equipment around him when he was only playing acoustic..later to find out he'd brought along his home studio which was a cool idea...I still like him better with his acoustic guitar though... > The jury is still out for me on the show itself (I think some of the questions are rather pedestrian)< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:19:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) >>Well...finally a thread I can contribute to! I was there too!<< get out! why didn't you tell me, i figured you didn't come & maybe had seen him in SF as he mentioned he'd just been there >>The Santa Barbara concert was a true rarity.>> they always are quite unique! >>Rufus performed only a few songs recorded on his 2 CD's, doing mostly other unreleased material. Opening with the all-Latin "Agnus Dei"<< ah ha, that one was one of my favorites, transcendent! >and written at Sean Lennon's home (he loves to drop names like that.... and well, they are friends. < lol, i noticed that..but he doesn't need to! >>The song that threw the subscription Santa Barbaran audience members, who walked out after it, is called "Gay Messiah", as yet unreleased, with very provocative and irreverent lyrics, hilarious to some, apparently offensive to others.<< hmm, i noticed about 8 or so people who were in a row near me leave together at some point but didn't hear the lyrics to his song very well so didn't put that together...others dwindled out here & there before he finished his set but that has happened before when things get late...aside from those that left during the song you mentioned, i don't think most people left due to his lyrics as much as because of the frustration of not being able to hear his lyrics...at least from my seat that was the main problem...but i loved his voice so much it didn't matter...couldn't hear much of his comments either, & i wanted to because i thought he was very funny...then again, as people say, its a love or hate thing... >The Neil Young song he and Chris did during Chris's set (they'd performed it together once before at the Neil Young Tribute) was "Harvest". Beautiful.<< it was & i can't believe i didn't remember that song as harvest... >>He throws about his gayness like a stage prop, was dressed "appropriately Santa Barbaran" in jeans, denim jacket, and sandals. (very fun watching his feet while he plays guitar), and sometimes says things he "shouldn't be telling us".<< i enjoyed his gayness personality...just couldn't catch all he had to say...btw...i had two gigs the next day & wore my ripped jeans! they were a hit! told everyone that i was inspired to dress that way because of rufus...lol... >>There was a small reception afterwards behind the theater and Chris and Rufus came out and schmoozed with the crowd for a long long time. << that is what is so cool about these gigs, all the audience can go back & meet the performers if they want to...i rarely do as its too much of a mob scene & we had a big double gig day/night on saturday... glad you were able to make it! his dad is coming to play here soon... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:18:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: rufus...njc >>I've seen him on a few shows including the John Lennon tribute, and...to me he sings off pitch and not very well. >> you know, i'd heard this about him & i do have a pretty discerning ear for off pitch singing but he was was most certainly not off pitch...he had one of the most amazing voices i've ever heard...so i wonder, does he have off nights, was he not able to hear himself in the monitors... of course i only heard him doing a solo thing & two songs with chris, but even if you don't like his music style, i can't imagine not being blown away by his voice...interesting that he has such a wide gulf of critics/fans...that was certainly what i perceived in the audience... could it be that i was rasied on broadway tunes? rufus reminded me of a singing stephen sondheim... ps, i heard no vibrato in his voice either...hmmm... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: (family) jewels - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > > Many different sources - mythologies, older plays, histories. Maybe > Shakespeare didn't lift lines or scenes intact from other works but > the > stories for many of his plays came from other sources. For example, > in 'A > Midsummer Night's Dream', the play that Bottom and his cohorts > perform > before Theseus' court at the end is 'Pyramus and Thisbe', a play > about > lovers who are forbidden to see one another by their parents. It > ends with > the death of the two lovers. There you have the source material for > 'Romeo > and Juliet' > Almost every artist borrows from other, older sources. It's how the > source > material is used that counts. 'Silky Veils of Ardor' has bits of > lyrics > from several old folk songs but Joni rearranges them and weaves them > into a > completely new work that is uniquely her own. The same with > 'Slouching > Toward Bethlehem.' I would not call this plagiarism or lack of > originality. Mark, good call...Pyramus and Thisbe has been mentioned as a source, or having an influence on R&J as well as the poem by Albert Brooke, entitled The Tragicall Historye of Romeus and Juliet. When authors utilize their environment, I feel that it enhances the work one hundred fold. A wonderful way to demonstrate the connections between things. I love when that happens, when I recognize something that Joni utilizes directly from another source. Jazz musicians (renowned for a lightning fast sense of humour ;-) do that all the time, especially in live performance..(cant remember what that called...Fred? David? ) They will insert a very recognizable lick from a completely different work by someone we all know, just to have a little fun. Six degrees of separation. Mags nc:29 days. > ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:14:58 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Re: Ben Christophers NJC Hi Azeem! Good to get your impressions of Ben - wish I could have been at that London concert - sounds like it was really something! Is the Kashmir Club where Annabelle Lamb plays? I wrote down Ben's name last December, but lost the paper and couldn't remember his name. Then recently it occured to me that maybe there would be a Tori Amos concert listing for last year somewhere on the web, and sure enough, I found one and it gave me his name, so I ordered both of his CDs (they arrived yesterday, thus my post about him). His music really is other-worldly and I like it very much. It was even more impressive in concert, though - to see him up there all on his own making all that beautiful noise and he really does have an outstanding voice - I remembered being impressed by its clarity last December - almost like a Vienna choir boy, just a little deeper. I don't know what it was about Tori - part of what bugged me was it sounded like the mike was in her throat the whole time and you could hear her breathing in and out during all the phrases - I hated that! The music was overall very dark. I couldn't understand the words and don't know them because I've never listened to her before, but the songs made me feel creepy and I was REALLY GLAD to get out of there. I've never ever had such a bad reaction to a concert before. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:49:02 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Strats, NJC > From: "Josh Eubank" > Subject: Strats > > Anyone on the list own a strat? If so, what are the differences in the three > different types...I've been told there were three, the American, the Japenese, > and the Mexican strat! Do they sound different? > > Josh > Hi Josh, I agree with what Michael Paz said. Also, there may be some differences in the pickups between the various countries. I like Japanese lutherie but I'm not sure they're still being made. At the end of the day, the origin doesn't matter as much as the "magic" which sometimes comes in assembling pieces of wood. In other words, just try out the instrument "blinfolded" and listen to the sound and the acoustic resonance (even in solid body instruments) and look for that one in a hundred that is truly magical. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:17:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: rufus...njc Kate Bennett wrote: > > you know, i'd heard this about him & i do have a pretty discerning ear for > off pitch singing but he was was most certainly not off pitch...he had one > of the most amazing voices i've ever heard... Nothing off pitch about him. He does tend to "bend" notes a bit, but then so does Joni. > could it be that i was rasied on broadway tunes? rufus reminded me of a > singing stephen sondheim... Now that's a compliment. And your musical instinct are right on. He listened to Broadway and opera all the years growing up. Well, he IS gay! I have his first video April Fools where he ends up in bed (platonically, of course) with all the great opera diva characters. He also is a HUGE fan of Edith Piaf. Jerry np: Billie Holiday - Lady In Satin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:57:53 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: rufus I LOVE ROOOOFus! And am glad to see folks chatting about him here. Though I've yet to see him live, I would imagine that his performances could be a bit shaky as he's known to embibe prior to his shows. The singing on his CDs are far from off key. He is right on. To me, his voice is like a silky cello. Ahhh....... Terry, popping in www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:58:36 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: rufus NJC EEEK, sorry about the lack of NJC on that last one. Got a little rusty. Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:21:55 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Self worth and Praise NJC Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:54:24 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: Self worth and Praise NJC >Steve wrote: > Hi all, > I just had a very interesting weekend at Milwaukee's Pridefest this > weekend. >Grace replied: >that took a lot of courage and you had a good time. good onya mate as they >say in Oz. It did take courage- yikes! The gay crowd is the hardest to play for. lol. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:09:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Marcie's faucet needs a plumber -VERY (NJC) Well Marcie won't get to see a plumber's butt in Madison, WI. I read in the newspaper this morning that a T-shirt company in Madison have extended the lenght of the T-shirts they make by a few inches. Now when the plumbers bend over to fix your pipes, you don't get to see the embarassing crack. So what's up with this Polifka or Kerry? Your state is just ruining all of the fun :~) Sorry for posting something so silly! Jimmy NP: The Ass Baboons of Venus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:06:53 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Joni ("Hejira") mention in JUNEantha shaber... (Sam Shaber's e-newsletter) Another Sam Shaber fan!! She charmed the pants off me in 2000 when i was in the states. I saw her performing at Borders and couln't afford her cds, but was utterly bowled over by her voice, her songs, her guitar playing, and her charismatic chit chat. I told her as much at the time. I loved ElDorado when she sang it. I since got the cds through the internet, and was delighted to find many of the songs she'd sang that ngiht on them and many others too. I'm waiting for the upcoming release just as anxiously as i waited for Radioheads last one! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:02:43 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) What a great account of the evening Richard, it sounds amazing:) Thanks for sharing it with us!! Did Rufus tour with Tori Amos last year or was i imagining that? That would have been just great. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:09:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) Garret wrote: > What a great account of the evening Richard, it sounds amazing:) Thanks for > sharing it with us!! Did Rufus tour with Tori Amos last year or was i > imagining that? That would have been just great. Yes, he did. He was amazing. Sat at an electric piano facing the audience dead center. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: (Sam Shaber's e-newsletter) Tim wrote: > Sam Shaber, www.samshaber.com, is a John Lennon > Songwriting Competition Finalist and Songwriting Competition > Finalist. > > Thought some on the list might find the "Hejira" mention of interest. Since "Hejira" is my favorite album (of all time, by anyone), I certainly do find this interesting! And anyone who plays "Hejira" on the road is a friend of spirit, imo ... so ... I checked out Sam Shaber's website and it says she will be playing in at Jammin' Java (www.jamminjava.com) in Vienna, VA on Friday, June 28! She opens for Rose Polenzani (www.rosepolenzani.com). I haven't heard or heard of either of these women before, but I figure that if the news came by way of Joni (however indirectly) it's synchronicity ... Anyone want to meet there? (I omitted the njc tag, just in case ...) Tim, you're just up the road in Dover -- come on down! Lori in MD, just a Metro ride from Vienna, VA ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:52:29 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Bowie NJC [was Through the wall, sort of] On 11 Jun 2002 at 2:30, dsk wrote: > AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > > > OK, I'm talking about David Bowie, and there are plenty of anomalies > > in that comparison (for one thing, Joni never committed a Tin > > Machine!). Where I see a big difference is that Bowie has always > > been a great enthusiast, working with different, often much younger > > collaborators, championing up-and-coming bands, and generally > > embracing cultural life. > > There was an article about him in Sunday's New York Times. I don't > know much about him so perhaps he's already spent years complaining > about the music business, and has now gotten past that and figured out > what to do about it, for himself anyway. He comes across in the > article as a creative businessman and farsighted realist: > I don't think Bowie has ever really made a point of complaining about it. Wisely, he focuses on exploiting it to his benefit. Brenda n.p.: Led Zeppelin - "Heartbreaker" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:23:45 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) About Rufus' and Martha's father, Azeem writes: << Oh, and I think their Dad is wonderful! >> I used to be a big Louden (or is it Loudon?) fan in the 70's. I never liked "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road" though, and I don't think I paid much attention to him after that. He's very funny, but for me, songs that are full of punch lines don't have a very good chance of being played a lot. Sorta like playing a comedy album over and over -- what's the point? That said, however, I do think Mr. Wainwright the elder was brilliantly funny. Here are a few lines I remember from a song called (I think) "What Ever Happened to Us": We used to be in love Now we are in hate You used to say I came too early But it was you who came too late He also wrote a song for Rufus when he was a breast-feeding baby entitled "Rufus is a Tit Man," which has not turned out to be the case at all! Also, I think one of these posts mentioned that Chris Stills has a French mother. Would that be Veronique Sanson? I used to love her a long time ago. I remember that she was married to an American musician and I've got about half a brain cell that says it was Stephen Stills. Was it? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:47:11 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: through the wall Kate wrote: >I don't believe any of the above artists died as a result of feeling artistically irrelevant> I agree with this statement but I believe that Cobain killed* himself because of his fear of becoming artistically irrelevant *(if he really killed himself is another topic for another list) >From: "Kate Bennett" >Reply-To: "Kate Bennett" >To: >Subject: Re: through the wall >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:12:47 -0700 > >Lazyasz@aol.com (do you have a name?), I liked much of what you wrote, with >a few exceptions. > >I felt this statement to be cruel: >She didn't pull a Joplin, Cobain, or >Nyro,< > >Janis died of a heroin overdose at age 27 >Kurt also overdosed on heroin but didn't die...he then shot himself, also at >age 27 >Laura died of ovarian cancer at age 49 > >also, >>If she were to hinge her being on perceived notions of her relevance >as an artist, she would have long offed herself. < > >I don't believe any of the above artists died as a result of feeling >artistically irrelevant, I think Janis, Kurt, & sadly many other great >artists have died at an early age because they used drugs to numb their >inner demons & as a result went over that edge... > >Laura died of cancer. > >one more comment...>>She didn't have a personality like Laura Nyro where she >could just put her muse on hold (Laura changed her primary focus from record >making to childrearing and domestic living)<< > >It isn't a personality difference that allows someone to put their muse on >hold to raise a child, it is the incredible demands of raising a child that >leaves little time or energy for the muse... > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett >www.katebennett.com >sponsored by Polysonics >Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: >http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html >******************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Events at the Birchmere (NJC) http://www.birchmere.com/calendar/calendar_list.cfm Of interest to me: Julia Fordham -- Jul 9 Philip Bailey -- Jul 22 Cheryl Wheeler -- Jul 27 Shawn Colvin -- Aug 6 & 7 Bruce Cockburn -- Aug 24 Joe Sample -- Sep 15 Acoustic Alchemy -- Sep 20 & 21 Saffire: The Uppity Blues Women -- Sep 27 & 28 Christine Lavin -- Nov 9 Livingston Taylor -- Nov 15 And you know, there may be more ... Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:30:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: through the wall njc >> I agree with this statement but I believe that Cobain killed* himself because of his fear of becoming artistically irrelevant *(if he really killed himself is another topic for another list) << well, i am probably taking us way off topic even further & i sure don't have the first hand knowledge of who he was so this is all conjecture on my part...however, he was deep into heroin addiction on top of emotional problems he wasn't dealing with...i think his suicide was much more about inner pain, made worse by drug addiction... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:9:28 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: through the wall njc > >> I agree with this statement but I believe that Cobain killed* himself > because of his fear of becoming artistically irrelevant > *(if he really killed himself is another topic for another list) << > ..however, he was deep into heroin addiction on top of emotional > problems he wasn't dealing with...i think his suicide was much more about > inner pain, made worse by drug addiction... I would agree...I think that the angst he wrote about in Nirvana was very real and in the end I think it overwhelmed him. Drugs provide a temporary escape but in reality I think they only compound problems that are already there instead of providing any real relief. And issues regarding fans I think were probably very minor mixed in with all the inner turmoil he must have been going through. The artistic process is an internal one and highly personal and can be a very lonely road to travel down. When you strip away all the external hoopla surrounding any media figure, you are left with a person, who is just like anyone else. And I think the majority of their struggles are internal and don't have much to do with fans at all. Even if someone is seeming to talk about something regarding the public they may in fact be really talking about something else entirely. In a way, I think being famous creates an illusion, albeit a very powerful one, and I think in some cases, it can become a demon that creates much inner turmoil. I don't think I could even begin to understand what was going on in Kurt Cobain's head but I'm certain it is far too complex and maybe far too simple for me to ever figure out. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:14:40 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Updates and Updates Attendees List There have been several requests for an update on the status of Jonifest attendees so far. It's not too late to join us! There are a few beds left, plenty of camping space, and the option of a day pass. Check it all out at: www.jmdl.com/Jonifest2002. You can see all the information without registering for the Fest. Check out the Information page and the Question and Answer page for all the detailed information!! Even if you are not planning on attending, you can join in the fun (and greatly help to keep jmdl.com up and running!) and receive a special Jonfest giveaway by making a donation to Les Irvin for the JMDL. The time you have spent here in good company certainly is worth a donation of some sort, don't you think? Please make JMDL donation checks payable to: "Les Irvin" and send to: Ashara Productions, LLC 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 There is also a Scholarship Fund to help those that are having financial difficulties getting to Jonifest this year. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make those checks payable to "Ashara Productions, LLC." They are sent to the same address above. Donations for the giveaways and raffle items can also be sent to this address. If you are not sure what kinds of things we are looking for, how about a Joni momento, a CD that you have put out, (Victor? Gregg? Kate? David Lahm? Christene? Jenny? Anne? Bryan?) a Joni songbook, t-shirt, poster, video, book, picture, etc. If you'd like to donate something, but aren't sure what to give, you can always go to e-bay, do a search for Joni Mitchell, and perhaps get something not too pricey. The giveaways and raffle make it much more festive, and also helps to raise money for the JMDL website. To see how far we are spanning the globe this year: This Jonifest represents 21 States, 9 countries, and 5 Continents so far!!!! 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If you want to come and haven't registered before that date, not to worry. Just e-mail me for availability. Signing off from Jonifest Central with hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:15:57 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: (family) jewels(njc) > Almost every artist borrows from other, older sources. It's how the source > material is used that counts. 'Silky Veils of Ardor' has bits of lyrics > from several old folk songs but Joni rearranges them and weaves them into a > completely new work that is uniquely her own. The same with 'Slouching > Toward Bethlehem.' I would not call this plagiarism or lack of originality. This is an interesting thread. Since I've been here in Asheville, I've written seven songs now(the muse is being very kind) and I wouldn't think this is so unusual but each time I've started to write something, I've been inspired by completely different artists, creating a strange hybrid of their style and my own. I mean, I've been inspired by different people for years...Rush, Grateful Dead, Jethro Tull, Ella Fitzgerald, REM, etc...but its never been so rampidly different over the course of two months. India Arie, James Taylor, Elton John, Neil Young, Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, and just today Tom Waits. And it feels as you describe above, weaving into a completely new work that is unique. I'm begininning to believe more and more that Asheville is a very unusual place, a spiritual hub where unusual things can happen. There is a bookstore downtown(a very cool one Allison!) where I am able to go and actually lose awareness of everything surrounding me, while people are still milling about and getting coffee or reading books or whatever. The real world almost begins to seem secondary to the spiritual world that is constantly weaving and thriving. Kind of spooky and exciting at the same time... Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:20:08 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (family) jewels > Almost every artist borrows from other, older sources. It's how the source > material is used that counts. 'Silky Veils of Ardor' has bits of lyrics > from several old folk songs but Joni rearranges them and weaves them into a > completely new work that is uniquely her own. The same with 'Slouching > Toward Bethlehem.' I would not call this plagiarism or lack of > originality. > i always thought there was something familiar about 'silky veils of ardor.' i remember a particular line in the song, which escapes me now, that i knew came from another song. i remember hearing that song later and that light bulb appearing like a halo over my head. a similar experience happened with 'moon at the window' from WTRF. there is the line " people don't know how to love, they taste it and toss it, turn it off and on like a bathtub faucet " ( ooh,ooh...) the love/faucet idea is from an old jazz standard, which also escapes me, i am almost certain it is on a billie holiday recording in my collection. ( gosh ! alot of stuff seems to be escaping me today. i must be riding another one of those pesky little air pockets in my brain ! ) this whole thread about borrowing reminds me of the idea that the best art is based on what has come before it and that nothing is totally original but just a reworking , a new way of seeing or expressing age old ideas. just a thought... dream on, dream on, dream on, warren keith p.s. did anyone catch cassandra wilson on bravo ? it was outstanding, i would love to see joni on one of the installments ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:29:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re: (family) jewels a similar experience happened with > 'moon at the window' from WTRF. there is the line " people don't know how to > love, they taste it and toss it, turn it off and on like a bathtub faucet " ( > ooh,ooh...) the love/faucet idea is from an old jazz standard, > which also escapes me, i am almost certain it is on a billie holiday > recording in my collection. Billie's blues tune 'Fine and Mellow' uses this simile: Love is like a faucet It turns off and on Love is just like a faucet It turns off and on Sometimes when you thing it's on, baby It has turned off and gone I think it's probable that it was used before Billie put it in that song, too. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:36:42 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - she talks too much >This reminds me of an article in a jazz magazine where Joni and Cassandra >Wilson were both interviewed. hi guy ! do you happen to remember the source for the article you mentioned ? i bought my first cassandra album because she did a cover of joni's ' black crow ' and have been in love ever since. i would love to read the article if you wouldn't mine e-mailing me the source. thanks... i'm intrigued, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:39:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > About Rufus' and Martha's father, Azeem writes: > > << Oh, and I think their Dad is wonderful! >> > > I used to be a big Louden (or is it Loudon?) fan in the 70's. I never liked > "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road" though, and I don't think I paid much > attention to him after that. He's very funny, but for me, songs that are full > of punch lines don't have a very good chance of being played a lot. Yes, I think that's true. His song "I Wish I Was A Lesbian" is one of the funniest songs ever written, IMO. I've heard a couple songs from his latest CD on the radio that were not humorous, but they were great songs. He's been more of an actor lately, doing movies, Ally McBeal & such. Dead Skunk is a classic! RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: rufus & chris in concert (njc) - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Also, I think one of these posts mentioned that > Chris Stills has a French > mother. Would that be Veronique Sanson? I used to > love her a long time ago. I > remember that she was married to an American > musician and I've got about half > a brain cell that says it was Stephen Stills. Was > it? > It was indeed. For more info on Veronique, check this out: www.veroniquesanson.com ______________________________________________________________________ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:44:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Bowie NJC [was Through the wall, sort of] This is fascinating. Do you think he is right? RR dsk wrote: > AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > > > OK, I'm talking about David Bowie, > There was an article about him in Sunday's New York Times. > "I don't even know why I > would want to be on a label in a few years, because I don't think it's > going to work by labels and by distribution systems in the same way," he > said. "The absolute transformation of everything that we ever thought > about music will take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be > able to stop it. I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not > going to happen. I'm fully confident that copyright, for instance, will > no longer exist in 10 years, and authorship and intellectual property is > in for such a bashing." > > "Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity," he > added. "So it's like, just take advantage of these last few years > because none of this is ever going to happen again. You'd better be > prepared for doing a lot of touring because that's really the only > unique situation that's going to be left. It's terribly exciting. But on > the other hand it doesn't matter if you think it's exciting or not; it's > what's going to happen." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:1:0 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Czech Republic(njc) According to ABC news, in the Czech Republic during an election campaign recently, one party was giving out free shots of Brandy, and not to be outdone, the other party had five topless women handing out campaign literature. You would think this is something that would happen in the United States though it would never be allowed. But I wouldn't put it past alot of politicians to try something like that to gain support. That seems to be what keeps commercial television afloat...sex and alcohol/drugs. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:56:55 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Loudon Wainwright III (njc) In a message dated 11/06/02 22:41:50 GMT Daylight Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: << He's very funny, but for me, songs that are full > of punch lines don't have a very good chance of being played a lot. Yes, I think that's true. His song "I Wish I Was A Lesbian" is one of the funniest songs ever written, IMO. I've heard a couple songs from his latest CD on the radio that were not humorous, but they were great songs. >> Check out LW3's "History" album (not a compilation, as the name might imply) for a great overview of the man's talents. He is much more than a funny man - - he's a great songwriter; so alongside uproarious tunes like Talking New Bob Dylan, People In Love and The Doctor, there are lovely songs like the title song and the truly brilliant Hitting You, a deceptively straightforward recounting of an incident when he spanked his daughter in the car when she was a child, and has regreted it ever since. As far as being funny is concerned, he's a hoot live; my favourite single line from any of his songs is from a song (whose title escapes me) about baby boomers: "Hope we grow up before we grow old." Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:07:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: through the wall njc >>The artistic process is an internal one and highly personal and can be a very lonely road to travel down. When you strip away all the external hoopla surrounding any media figure, you are left with a person, who is just like anyone else. And I think the majority of their struggles are internal and don't have much to do with fans at all. Even if someone is seeming to talk about something regarding the public they may in fact be really talking about something else entirely. In a way, I think being famous creates an illusion, albeit a very powerful one, and I think in some cases, it can become a demon that creates much inner turmoil.<< so true victor & very well said...as many have said it gets very lonely at the top & kurt cobain was certainly up there...as far as an artist feeling relevant or irrelevant, i imagine it must be hard once you've had the whole world in your hand, to watch it slip away...however, i know that the creative process does not stop just because the market changes & while it IS nice to have an audience it certainly doesn't play a part in the initial creative process (unless you are doing only it for commercial reasons)... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:03:46 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Czech Republic(njc) Victor Johnson wrote: > According to ABC news, in the Czech Republic during an election campaign > recently, one party was giving out free shots of Brandy, and not to be > outdone, the other party had five topless women handing out campaign > literature. > > You would think this is something that would happen in the United States > though it would never be allowed. But I wouldn't put it past alot of > politicians to try something like that to gain support. That seems to be > what keeps commercial television afloat...sex and alcohol/drugs. Don't forget violence!! And dumb jokes!! And professional sports!! The Czechs are a bit behind the curve; Italy elected a porn star to parliament (who campaigned topless). In the good ol' USA they just stole the election then sent everybody $300. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:50:53 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: (family) jewels In a message dated 6/11/2002 5:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I think it's probable that it was used before Billie put it in that song, > too. > thanks for the info on billie's tune 'fine and mellow.' i found the album with said tune and thought you might be interested in what the liner notes had to say. " holiday penned this traditional blues for the 1939 commodore session that also produced 'strange fruit.' she borrowed the 'love is like a faucet' line from a 1923 ethel waters record. " from joni, to billie, to ethel, i guess the question now is where did ethel borrow it ? does anyone know anything about the ethel waters record mentioned in the quote and just how far back can we take this ? i would think at least back to the advent of modern plumbing ! following joni back through time, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:34:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: rhythm guitar songs of joni if anyone has compiled those songs that others have mentioned as being their favorite of joni's rhythm guitar songs...would you mind sending them to me? i'd love to have them all in one place, many thanks! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:24:48 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: rufus & chris & now bobbie too! (njc) After confirming that Chris is indeed the son of Stephen Stills and Veronique Sanson, Catherine McCay wrote: << For more info on Veronique, check this out: www.veroniquesanson.com >> Thanks, Catherine. I went to the site and guess what! Bobbie Gentry reared her big-haired little head again. This is from Veronique's bio: "Vero comes from a family of jazz and classical music. Vero took piano lessons, but learnt preferably by ear. Musical influences include Mozart, Gershwin, Sergio Mendhs, The Double Six, The Mamas and the Papas, Ray Charles, The Beatles, Dionne Warwick, and Bobbie Gentrie." And this is about her marriage to and divorce from Stills: "On 26 March 1972, Stephen Stills plays at the Olympia, and meets Viro at WEA. Veronique married Stephen Stills on 14 March 1973 near Guildford, England, where he had a home. Then they moved to Colorado.. Her titles written for Stephen Stills include "Je suis la seule", "When we're together", and How Many Lies". Their son Christopher was born on 19th April 1974 in Denver, Colorado. The relationship lasted until 1979. Today, and since 1995, Vero is married to Pihrre Palmade. . . <> After separating from Stephen Stills in 1979, Veronique moved to Los Angeles. They officially divorced in 1981, the year that Veronique came back to live in France pernamently. Home now is Triel-sur-Seine, some kilometres NW from Paris." --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #251 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?