From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #245 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 245 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Penis Dog NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Penis Dog NJC [Steve Dulson ] Re: Penis Dog NJC ["Grace" ] Re: through the wall ["Grace" ] Re: through the wall ["Grace" ] Re: through the wall ["Grace" ] Re: through the wall ["Grace" ] Re: through the wall ["Grace" ] James Taylor's got another one in the nest...njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20degrees=20of=20separation=20=A0NJC?= [FMYFL@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IGRlZ3JlZXMgb2Ygc2VwYXJhdGlvbiCgTkpD?= [SCJoniGuy@aol.] re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises ["mia ortlieb" ] RE: James Taylor's got another one in the nest...njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Funeral Soundtrack njc ["Sybil Skelton" ] cat diary-njc ["flopit" ] RE: through the wall [Lazyasz@aol.com] Re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises [WARREN901@aol.com] Covers #30...we have a winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises [Lori in MD ] Re: degrees of separation =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0NJC?= [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Counting Crow Loves Joni ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Harold and Maude & YTMT too njc ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Strats--NJC [Denny Giovanetti ] Re: Harold and Maude & YTMT too njc ["Sybil Skelton" ] RE: graveyards ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's crazy sound effects [KLCass21@aol.com] Re: NJC Catherine McKinnon [Alison E ] through the wall (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_degrees_of_separation_=A0NJC?= ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: graveyards ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Penis dog (njc) ["Grace" ] Re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's crazy sound effects [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:28:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Penis Dog NJC I have two miniature long hair dachshunds and I allow no one to call them penis dogs! Jerry np: Marianne Faithful - Mad About the Boy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:24:55 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Penis Dog NJC >We call them Dachshunds, but some people call them "weiner dogs" You need to check out Les Barker's poem "Dachshunds with Erections Can't Climb Stairs." Steve (Who got up at 4:30 this AM to see England beat Argentina 1-0. Sorry Wally K! Go Mr. Spice! Go England!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:36:01 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: Penis Dog NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Notaro To: Randy Remote Cc: Grace ; Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Penis Dog NJC > I have two miniature long hair dachshunds what good taste you have - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:39:11 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: through the wall I started thinking that this may be less about arrogance > and uppityness and more about maybe a real self-esteem problem and some kind > of inexplicable (to us at least) insecurity on her part. It makes me feel a > little sad for her. I think she is speaking from some deep hurt that > apparently she cannot transcend. i think that is probably a very astute assessment. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:39:24 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: through the wall - ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince Lavieri To: kakki Cc: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: Re: through the wall (njc) > kakki wrote: > > > I started thinking that this may be less about arrogance > > and uppityness and more about maybe a real self-esteem problem and some kind > > of inexplicable (to us at least) insecurity on her part. It makes me feel a > > little sad for her. I think she is speaking from some deep hurt that > > apparently she cannot transcend. Don't mean to psychoanalyze her - just my 2 > > cents. > > Kakki, I agree 100% havig never met her. I can see it in her eyes, the way she > looks at the audience, when she performs. > > Vince > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:39:47 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: through the wall - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mags N Brei To: ; kakki ; ; ; Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: Re: through the wall (njc) > Kakki wrote: > > < > apparently she cannot transcend. Don't mean to psychoanalyze her - > > just my 2 cents. >> > > and in response, Bob M. wrote: > > > > < difficult, > > probably impossible, to care about an artist's work and not care > > about the artist as well, particularly when she has "sondtracked" so > > many life experiences for a lot of us. I feel like we all like to > > revel in her victories and are sympathetic in her sorrows. And I > > think (like Lama so poignantly described) that her relationship with > > her daughter and her mother has been such a powerful driver for her > > all along, I think a lot of what factors into her bitterness is the > > conflicted relationship with Kilauren.>> > > I am stopped in my emotional tracks each and every time this issue > arises on the list. I am motivated to write today because I am > particularly drawn to Kakki's descripton of Joni's deep hurt, as well > as the "conflicted relationship with Kilauren" part of your post Bob. > > The experience of losing a child to adoption, and the effects thereof, > are life long and deep. Unspeakable. They don't go away, especially > when reunion takes place. Reunion does not create that place of > instantaneous healing or bonding whatsoever. > > Imagine what that might feel like, knowing that you are about to meet > the baby-now-adult you gave up many years ago, when, at the time, you > were told you could get on with your life, that you were doing that > "right" thing, that you would indeed "get over it", that you would > never see them again. Ever. And here you are climbing those stairs, a > cold fear moves through you like a damp fog, rolling and rolling > through each and every cell, each and every memory. You know into each > and every step you take, you know. You know they are sitting at that > table at the restaurant. You know they arrived while you were > downstairs to make that one last phonecall to gather up some last > minute reassurance because you are so scared you just might explode > into a million little pieces...and how do you know they have arrived. > You just do. Reunion is like that. Magic. Knowing. > > In the moments prior to that first meeting, a visit, rather a head on > collision with fear, like none Ive ever known, occurs. The fear inside > is unbelievable. Unspeakable. Painful. A vortex of 'what ifs' swirl > madly inside, all the while you are trying to be present as this calm, > cool grown up woman who 'made a mistake', and who really had 'no > choice'. All of a sudden you become that young woman, again. And you > cannot speak. Frozen in time. Staring, mesmerized by the image of your > self in a perfect and beautiful stranger. Haunting moment. > > To give up an infant and then so many years later, meet that baby > turned adult is one of the most powerful, overwhelming, terrifying > things I have ever done. There is no way that you can ever be prepared. > Ever. You can logic it all out neatly, you can tell yourself, oh yes, I > had no choice, what else could I do. > > Joni didnt even tell her own parents, which was my experience as well. > There are so many layers and levels of complicit secrecy and when it > all comes out into the open, all hell breaks loose emotionally. And on > it goes. It never stops. Reunion has a life of its own. > > Having been there, I can only begin to imagine what it might have been > and continues to be like for Joni, especially because she is so > exposed, so much in the limelight, or the floodlights at times. I feel > for her and for Kilauren, having to go through this the public > microscope. > > I write from this place of the very personal with the hope that I can > bring understanding to Joni's experience. (I am shaking like a leaf as > I write, and yes, the tears still fall, twenty seven years later). So > you see, I can understand. I get it. Losing a child to adoption affects > her. How can it not. She wears it like she wears her skin, it is a part > of her very soul. It is imprinted into each and every cell. It has to > be. > > The pain of losing a child to adoption does not go away. Reunion brings > joy, absolutely, and it also brings up old pain as well as new and it > rolls over and over you, especially at those signifiers of maple trees > breaking free each and every spring, or the colour blue. > > That old pain flies up in your face like it was yesterday. Some of the > answers to a thousand questions screamed in silence for years and years > appear in fragments. And many do not, because you dare not ask. > > Knowing is better than not knowing. However, how do you reconcile who > this person is to you. You are not their 'mother'..they did not grow up > knowing you as that. You remember the baby, and here is this adult > 'stranger' who sets off all kinds of biological alarms inside you. And > how do you fit into the scheme of things with the person who is their > mother. You throw up your hands and wonder, now what. Try to create > something new, but what. Thanks for bearing with this. Every so often, > I need to break the silence. > > Jezebel. Life sentence. > > > Mags > > > > > > > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:40:02 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: through the wall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: through the wall (njc) > I think she has more confidence in herself than perhaps she's willing to > admit. Why else would she be putting out this double CD? I think what we have > now is a more mature Joni. Yep, she's the mature artist now and about to > receive her reward. I'm psyched! I'll follow whichever way her artistic > endeavers lead. > > just my 2 cents > an optimistic rose in nj > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:40:17 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: through the wall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "kakki" ; ; ; Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: through the wall (njc) > < apparently she cannot transcend. Don't mean to psychoanalyze her - just my 2 cents. >> > > I don't think you're psychoanalyzing at all, Kakki...it's difficult, probably impossible, to care about an artist's work and not care about the artist as well, particularly when she has "sondtracked" so many life experiences for a lot of us. I feel like we all like to revel in her victories and are sympathetic in her sorrows. And I think (like Lama so poignantly described) that her relationship with her daughter and her mother has been such a powerful driver for her all along, I think a lot of what factors into her bitterness is the conflicted relationship with Kilauren. > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "More Than Rain" > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:41:28 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: James Taylor's got another one in the nest...njc I got to listen to a new song "On the 4th of July" on AOL from his upcoming CD "October Road" due out in August. Funny though, I think he should have titled the song "Love Must Stand." Love the whistling in this one. rose from nj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:42:58 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20degrees=20of=20separation=20=A0NJC?= In a message dated 6/7/2002 8:43:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Bobbie Gentry & Glen Campbell recorded an album together...I remember them > together on his TV show a lot as well. I guess they were probably more than > just musical partners... > > Anyway, Glen does a very pretty version of...do I have to say it? ;~) > > Bob > I like to use as many degrees as possible ( that's the way my mind works :~) ) Here goes: Bobbie Gentry wrote and sung "Ode to Billy Joe" which was made into a movie. The movie was directed by Max Baer Sr. His son Max Baer Jr. played Jethro Bodine on "The Beverly Hillbillies" Banjo player Earl Scruggs made many appearances on the tv show. Earl is the father of Randy & Gary Scruggs. Randy & Gary have a version of Joni's "Woodstock" on their album. (and Randy does "BSN") on his album. Many degrees, but fun! Happy Friday everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:54:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IGRlZ3JlZXMgb2Ygc2VwYXJhdGlvbiCgTkpD?= <> Max Baer Sr. was a boxer, Jimmy...I'm about 99% sure that "Jethro" directed the film. <> Great connection...Besides the version on Randy's "Crown of Jewels" disc, he does a version on the classic Nitty Gritty Dirt Band project "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" and also (and my favorite) a version on The Earl Scruggs Revue's live LP, where it's a beautiful duet with a violin, although in this case it's more apt to call it a fiddle, I suppose! Congrats to you on your anniversary, Jimmy! Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, "Takin' My Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:16:42 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises Hi Abby, I also like that crazy sound on "Nathan LaFraneer". Inside the album cover, under the musicians credits, it mentions Lee Keefer and Joni Mitchell on banshee. Now I've never seen a banshee instrument, nor do I know how one is played, but I would bet this is the instrument that we hear on Nathan LaFraneer. In Irish folklore, a banshee is a female spirit that delivers her eerie kind of wailing noise to warn a family of an approaching death of a member. "Nathan LaFraneer" is so hauntingly chilling that this noise really fits the setting in the song (the ghostly garden grows). Some other mentions: "Troubled Child" -I really love the instruments after the words 'breaking like the waves at malibu'. I love the way they come together with a big crescendo, then a crash at the end. This really sounds like ocean waves to me. "This Flight Tonight" - After singing about how she's got the headphones up high, she sings "they're playing 'goodbye baby, baby goodbye'" and this part sounds just like you are sitting next to someone with their headphones up too high. Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: through the wall Mags et al. I've been unable to keep up with my JMDL reading since my monitor died (4 months out of warranty). You asked me if I really thought, (as I said in the essay) that Joan/Joni is painless now that she's reacquinted with Kelly/Kilaruen. I don't think that. I know it's way more complex than that. In the essay, I was exploring whether or not the Kelly/Kilauren timeline could be tied to her precipitous drop in interest (and quality?) of writing. I was *amazed* how strong the link was and in my enthusiasm to publish, I overstated the 'painless' aspect. Maybe instead of being pain-free, she's putting all of her energy *into* Kelly/Kilauren where previously it went into writing. Thanks for posting about your experience, Mags. It's really a beautiful and human thing to share with us. It sounds like it must be one of the most profound experiences possible. Thank you. Love, Lama From: Mags N Brei > > I am stopped in my emotional tracks each and every > time this issue > > arises on the list. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:1:42 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: James Taylor's got another one in the nest...njc > I got to listen to a new song "On the 4th of July" on AOL from his upcoming > CD "October Road" due out in August. Funny though, I think he should have > titled the song "Love Must Stand." Love the whistling in this one. I'm glad you're talking about his new album. When I saw the subject heading, I thought wait...he already has a pair of young twins...he can't be having another child. I'm looking forward to this new album. There was a nice interview with him recently in Performing Songwriter. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:02:04 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises > > Can we count as sound effect the "angry spoken words" in "Harry's House"? > > I love that "I said, get down over there". > I like it to but I have always heard 'get down off of there' and it has always stuck in my mind because of using off and of together. Not that it is wrong, just sounds odd. > > joseph > > whose favorite is still HOSL > > > > It sounds to me like Harry's wife is yelling at her kid to get off of something, like maybe the sofa she refers to in the next line - "Sure am sick of that sofa". Ruthie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:12:54 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Funeral Soundtrack njc Hey Mark, here's something to think about. Suppose you did a re-make of Harold and Maude, with Maude being cast as Our Lady Joan. I know she is still way too young for the Ruth Gordon part, but what "Strange Boy" would you cast as Harold? Also, what music would you replace the Cat Stevens tunes with? Make me laugh!! Here's one option: Prince as the Harold, music by George Clinton! Hollywood is all about recycling old classics - they ought to try that one out! "You win your lasting laurels with your laughter" Have a great weekend - Ruthie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:28:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: James Taylor's got another one in the nest...njc In a message dated 6/7/02 12:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > I'm glad you're talking about his new album. When I saw the subject > heading, I thought wait...he already has a pair of young twins...he can't > be having another child. > > Nah, no babies, just a snippet from For the Roses ;0) And now you're seen On giant screens And at parties for the press And for people who have slices of you From the company They toss around your latest golden egg Speculation well who's to know If the next one in the nest Will glitter for them so rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:38:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20degrees=20of=20separation=20=A0NJC?= In a message dated 6/7/2002 10:58:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > Max Baer Sr. was a boxer, Jimmy...I'm about 99% sure that "Jethro" directed > the film. > You are correct Mr. Muller. When I was reading the "Ode to Billy Joe" website earlier this week (thanks to Smurphy), I saw that Max Baer Sr. was a boxer. I just didn't read the entire article and thought he directed "OTBJ"..........OMG, the song and movie has been discussed this week SOOO much, it has an acronym now :~) I know Evian would have known all this Nickelodeon trivia :~) Thanks for the good wishes Bob! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:43:44 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Strats (njc) At 09:43 PM 6/6/2002 -0400, Josh Eubank wrote: >Anyone on the list own a strat? If so, what are the differences in the three >different types...I've been told there were three, the American, the Japenese, >and the Mexican strat! Do they sound different? >Josh I have both Japanese and American Strats. Interestingly, the Japanese ones seem better made. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:47:49 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Funeral Soundtrack njc Also, what music would you replace the Cat Stevens tunes with? Bite your tongue!!! The Cat Stevens tunes and Ruth Gordon are what make Harold and Maude worth watching. A remake would by necessity have to be done without either of those people, and is therefore undoable. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:27:02 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: cat diary-njc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:12:37 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: RE: through the wall < I started thinking that this may be less about arrogance Subject: Re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises Joseph wrote: > I like it to but I have always heard 'get down off of there' and it has > always stuck in my mind because of using off and of together. Not that it > is wrong, just sounds odd. I've always heard it as "get down off of there" too, and to me it sounds like a midwestern or prairie -- or "plain folks" -- expression. "Proper" folks would probably say, "get down FROM there." Lori ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:50:30 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: degrees of separation =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0NJC?= FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Bobbie Gentry wrote and sung "Ode to Billy Joe" which was made into a > movie. > The movie was directed by Max Baer Sr. > His son Max Baer Jr. played Jethro Bodine on "The Beverly Hillbillies" You know, I always thought it was Jr,. who had a role with that movie... live and learn! All I know about Sr. is that he was a boxer and had a goofy son. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:57:12 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Harold and Maude & YTMT too njc Sybil Skelton wrote: > > > Bite your tongue!!! The Cat Stevens tunes and Ruth Gordon are what make > Harold and Maude worth watching. A remake would by necessity have to be > done without either of those people, and is therefore undoable. > > Sybil > In the opening scene of Y Tu Mama Tambien, Tenoch and his girlfriend Ana are having torrid sex in front of a wall-sized poster of Harold and Maude, I believe in French (the poster); the sex is in Spanish. Les: is there any way to do degrees of separation between Y Tu mama tambien and Joni? I suppose you'd start with the director Alfonso Cuaron since he worked in Holloywood and made what, Great Expectations and something else, so maybe there is a connection. It would be more fun to find a degree of separation with the soundtrack, excluding the Frank Zappa and Natalie Imbruglia tracks, since those would be too easy, I am guessing. But what do I know. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 15:59:48 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Counting Crow Loves Joni I just had to tell you all - after Julius posted about his fabulous trip to Jazzfest and seeing the Crows and then posted Adam Duritz's diary entry about Joni, well I was feeling so smug as I passed it on to my 18 year old son who thinks Adam Duritz hung the moon. And guess what happened - he he he, Mom knows best. The very next night I walked past his (closed, of course) bedroom door and heard the lovely voice of Joni wafting through (hmmm, so that's where my Blue CD went). A couple nights later I came in the front door after work only to hear For the Roses blaring, and he had several friends in there listening as well. I think I've created a monster. Sybil NP: the sound of me busily hiding CDs from rabid teenagers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:02:12 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Harold and Maude & YTMT too njc "the sex is in Spanish." I kinda always thought sex was multi-lingual. Sybil (No, I'm not going to make that joke and don't any of you either) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:09:49 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Harold and Maude & YTMT too njc > "the sex is in Spanish." > I kinda always thought sex was multi-lingual. > Sybil > (No, I'm not going to make that joke and don't any of you either) Is this what is meant by 'speaking in tongues'? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: Strats--NJC - --- "Josh Eubank" e-queried: >Anyone on the list own a strat? If so, what are the differences in the three >different types...I've been told there were three, the American, the Japenese, >and the Mexican strat! Do they sound >different? Hi Josh-- jan gyn wrote: >I have both Japanese and American Strats. Interestingly, the Japanese >ones seem better made.-jan IAWJ. I've found that the newer American-made Strats tend to be pretty clunky, having neither the tone or feel of the Japanese Strats. The Mexican strats were okay, not as good as the Japanese, esp. regarding the consistent quality. One really important factor is the neck stability; the tech who works on my guitars can work up a good rant over string buzzing, intonation problems, dead spots, etc. Overall, I've been disappointed to see the continuing decline in quality of Am-made Fenders; even the Custom shop models seem overly-priced, given the quality control problems. I have two Strats, both Am. made (the 1st is a '64, bought when they listed for $289--the end of the golden era!), and the other a custom shop '58 model. The 2nd was bought when I had a credit card burning a hole in my pocket; and the price had been lowered to around 60% off the $2800 list. _That_ one's had loads of work done, particularly on the neck. And the finish is nowhere as good as the price would suggest (ie, rich color, but spotty execution). And the tech has told me that that's not an exception--but then again, he can't stand dealing w/Fender; so his opinion is a bit, well, biased. Whatever you intend to get, make sure there's a good tech near you (the guy who does my work is 100 miles away in Phoenix--and the drive's worth it). Given the great numbers of guitars produced today, you need someone who knows shit from shinola when it comes to making your guitar do what _you_ need it to do. Best, Denny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:54:34 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Harold and Maude & YTMT too njc Oh, Jan, you just couldn't resist could you, you naughty naughty girl.:) Sybil > > "the sex is in Spanish." > > I kinda always thought sex was multi-lingual. > > Sybil > > (No, I'm not going to make that joke and don't any of you either) > > >Is this what is meant by 'speaking in tongues'? >-jan _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:57:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises I have such fond memories of an extended time of camping in Big Bend (a month or so) back in the hippy daze when I was traveling traveling traveling...looking for my home, where can it be... Anyway, love those NRH crickets & this story about the chirping cicadas singing along! >>Two weeks ago I had the privilege of camping in a remote area inside Big Bend National Park (in the gorgeous Chihuahuan desert).<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:12:16 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Catherine McKinnon If she's a musician, then she shares her name with a well-known feminist academic. DL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 19:24:38 -0400 From: Darice(darice@mindspring.com) Subject: Penis dog (njc) I have two dachshunds right now, middies , not mini and not standard. The male is absolutely fearless and ready to take on the whole world,but is loving and actually very responsive to commands. The female shows signs of being a true "alpha bitch" at times, all 9 lbs of her. Then she is sometimes much more passive. Both can get their feelings hurt by yelling at them or "correcting them". I heard a term used about another breed "genetic hunger", which meant that the breed had evolved from a harsh environment in which food was not always a certainty. Therefore the breed is always ready and willing to eat. My two think that all food was created for them (and that everything in my hand is food.) A fat doxie is not a pleasant sight..... I know you will love your new girl and be truly loved in return. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:58:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: graveyards my best friend in grade school lived on the other side of town...the shortest way to each others house was through & big ol graveyard...only went through there in the daytime but kind of fun, looking at all the headstones & some very big fancy mausoleums... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:54:56 EDT From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's crazy sound effects I love the thunderous drums that sound like firing cannons and the haunting sirens in Slouching Towards Bethlehem. "Opening its eyes after 20 centuries, Vexed to a nightmare out of a stoney sleep", is one of those (many) moments, to me, that define joni's brilliance. I don't think this song would be one of my favorites without these effects. Speaking of brilliance, I am curious to know from the musicians on the list: If you were asked to choose 1 Joni song that best exemplifies her brilliance as a guitar player, what song would you suggest? Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC Catherine McKinnon LOL, david, that's exactly where my mind went. i'm thinking, what the hell is she doing putting out an album? and will it be punk rock? please let it be punk rock! alison e. in slc, thanking god there is only one famous person named andrea dworkin. np: marketplace. - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > If she's a musician, then she shares her name with a > well-known feminist > academic. > > > > > DL Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:26:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: through the wall (njc) i grew up with early neil young but never paid much attention to him after that...i am not one of those neil young freaks& in fact am often quite critical of some of his stuff...however last year's concert was one of the very best i'd ever witnessed of anyone...the man is possessed of an amazing purity of musical soulfullness...also i thought his version of imagine at the concert for nyc was of the same deep stuff... kakki "I started thinking that this may be less about arrogance and uppityness and more about maybe a real self-esteem problem and some kind of inexplicable (to us at least) insecurity on her part. It makes me feel a little sad for her. I think she is speaking from some deep hurt that apparently she cannot transcend." this makes so much sense, & makes me sad too...& although i envy (which is not quite the right word, its more like aspire to...)her incredible talent & the respect she has among musicians & audience alike (that maybe she doesn't quite believe?), i do not envy much of what she has experienced in her life (except i really really really wanted to hang with all those folks up at mama cass's house!) & she has had her fair share of sorrows... we all know that she has had great outside success but that is not always a blessing as far as how one's inner life goes...i'm sure she has had many who wanted something from her because of the celebrity she is, rather than for who she is as a human... & the unexpressible sorrow of giving up her child for adoption...that is something that could never be completely healed...even as someone who raised her child (pretty much alone), i have deep sorrows & regrets for what i did & did not do & it hurts to know that i can't go back & change a thing, it also hurts so much to think about how my life was such a struggle during the time i was raising him alone & now that my life is so much easier its too late to go back & give him what i wish i could have then...i can imagine joni must feel somewhat that way...if only if only...but how could she know she'd be successful & have the money to be able to raise her daughter...that must haunt her so painfully & deeply... what constantly amazes me is the strength & vision she had back when she was young, when the music biz was much more of a man's world than it is now (& it still is)...& how as a very young woman she was able to carve out her place & manifest her own creative vision...as her fans we see her success & think oh how wonderful...but the road to that success i am sure was filled with much pain & disillusionment...for the music biz attracts the very best & the very worst of humanity...(perhaps this is why i favor her earlier recordings...they have more of the flower child innocence...) and last but not least, to mags who wrote "Losing a child to adoption affects her. How can it not. She wears it like she wears her skin, it is a part of her very soul. It is imprinted into each and every cell. It has to be." thank you for sharing your innermost journey with us all, thanks for your beautiful, eloquent & courageous words...may you all find healing through time... ps, last night i had a dream about joni...she was beautiful, peaceful but kind of tired, maybe after a show or something...we'd been talking & noticing her fatigue, i gingerly asked her if she wanted a neck rub, she said yes, & after that we were great friends...i don't know where she was but she was sitting on a big comfy chair & had a light blue dress on...what a sweet dream... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:37:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_degrees_of_separation_=A0NJC?= :-)>> > > But yours was so much more creative, Azeem!> Here's what I came up with. Reba McIntire recorded Bobbie Gentry's song 'Fancy'. On her live album Reba sings 'Sweet Dreams' which was a big hit for Patsy Cline. Patsy also had a hit with Willie Nelson's 'Crazy' and Willie sang with Joni on 'Cool Water' from CMIARS. Whew! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:04:02 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: through the wall (njc) Mags, that was very touching and beautiful and I could almost feel your angst. Thanks for sharing that. I often have wondered how my deciding (in the 5th grade) to stay with the Bush's affected my biologicial mother. (She remarried at that time and my older two siblings returned to her but I could not.) I know it must hurt her that I cannot be closer to her now. Your post tells me much. I started my vacation tonight and had mulled over whether or not to visit her. I will do so now. Thanks. My best. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:06:25 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Funeral Soundtrack njc I second that sybil. Ruth Gordon is irreplaceable. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:08:51 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Counting Crow Loves Joni This boy must be extraordinarily special Sybil. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 02:12:24 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: through the wall Kate wrote: i grew up with early neil young but never paid much attention to him after that...i am not one of those neil young freaks& in fact am often quite critical of some of his stuff...however last year's concert was one of the very best i'd ever witnessed of anyone...the man is possessed of an amazing purity of musical soulfullness...also i thought his version of imagine at the concert for nyc was of the same deep stuff... kakki "I started thinking that this may be less about arrogance and uppityness and more about maybe a real self-esteem problem and some kind of inexplicable (to us at least) insecurity on her part. It makes me feel a little sad for her. I think she is speaking from some deep hurt that apparently she cannot transcend." this makes so much sense, & makes me sad too...& although i envy (which is not quite the right word, its more like aspire to...)her incredible talent & the respect she has among musicians & audience alike (that maybe she doesn't quite believe?), i do not envy much of what she has experienced in her life (except i really really really wanted to hang with all those folks up at mama cass's house!) & she has had her fair share of sorrows... we all know that she has had great outside success but that is not always a blessing as far as how one's inner life goes...i'm sure she has had many who wanted something from her because of the celebrity she is, rather than for who she is as a human... & the unexpressible sorrow of giving up her child for adoption...that is something that could never be completely healed...even as someone who raised her child (pretty much alone), i have deep sorrows & regrets for what i did & did not do & it hurts to know that i can't go back & change a thing, it also hurts so much to think about how my life was such a struggle during the time i was raising him alone & now that my life is so much easier its too late to go back & give him what i wish i could have then...i can imagine joni must feel somewhat that way...if only if only...but how could she know she'd be successful & have the money to be able to raise her daughter...that must haunt her so painfully & deeply... what constantly amazes me is the strength & vision she had back when she was young, when the music biz was much more of a man's world than it is now (& it still is)...& how as a very young woman she was able to carve out her place & manifest her own creative vision...as her fans we see her success & think oh how wonderful...but the road to that success i am sure was filled with much pain & disillusionment...for the music biz attracts the very best & the very worst of humanity...(perhaps this is why i favor her earlier recordings...they have more of the flower child innocence...) and last but not least, to mags who wrote "Losing a child to adoption affects her. How can it not. She wears it like she wears her skin, it is a part of her very soul. It is imprinted into each and every cell. It has to be." thank you for sharing your innermost journey with us all, thanks for your beautiful, eloquent & courageous words...may you all find healing through time... ps, last night i had a dream about joni...she was beautiful, peaceful but kind of tired, maybe after a show or something...we'd been talking & noticing her fatigue, i gingerly asked her if she wanted a neck rub, she said yes, & after that we were great friends...i don't know where she was but she was sitting on a big comfy chair & had a light blue dress on...what a sweet dream... - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:14:51 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: graveyards Up the hill and in the wooded region not far from my house is an old cemetery. Almost completely occluded it is now. Some relatives of my parents are buried there. It is full of snakes and other creatures. Very interesting to walk through it though it can be quite eerie too. Many stones tell the story of the flu epidemic back in the early part of the century and there are very many babies buried there. One group has five siblings, all under the age of 5, planted there. The grief that it must have caused the parents. The most interesting stone, and there are many, is one that reads "killed by unknown parties." This was a young man that was hanged on the higher hill not far from the cemetery. Rarely go there these days but can understand the attraction. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 02:23:20 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: Penis dog (njc) > I know you will love your new girl and be truly loved in return. > Darice > yes I will. I have discovered she is a little pig with food! Unlike Apsos who regard food as if you might be trying to poison them. Once they ahev had a good sniff at it, then they pig it! Whta do you mean by middie? Mini's are 11lbs max so your girl at 9lbs is a mini. The standards are much heavier but not sure what there max is. As far as I am aware, in germany they have an even smaller version than the mini. amaizng that these little dogs are hunters. I chose the longhaired not just because they are the prettiest, imo, but alsothe more docile and quiet. can't have yappers. my 3 week old Apso litter are getting to that delightful 'drunk' stage. Getting up on all four and staggering around. Poor things try and poo too and fall over, usually into what they just they did! I am very excited about them. One of the boys looks outstanding and so does one of the girls, tho the boy looks to be the best. fingers crossed. Oh and the boy is a most unusual colour-he is a particolour but all of him is white except for his head which has the normal parti 'split' colouring, tho the colour is the palest of latte coffee. very pale. he will look very striking. I prefert he darker colours but it is the construction and temperament that counts. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's crazy sound effects and noises - --- Lori in MD wrote: > Joseph wrote: > > > I like it to but I have always heard 'get down off > of there' and it has > > always stuck in my mind because of using off and > of together. Not that it > > is wrong, just sounds odd. > > I've always heard it as "get down off of there" too, > and to me it sounds like a midwestern or prairie -- > or "plain folks" -- expression. "Proper" folks > would probably say, "get down FROM there." I'm sure it's "Get down offa there!" - exactly the kind of thing my mum used to yell at my sisters and me when we clowning around, climbing over the furniture and so on. Or, she could have been yelling at one of the cats (as if that does any good!) ______________________________________________________________________ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:09:34 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The Zappa - Mitchell Connection Julian Parker-Burns wrote: > Joni is a true artist. > The > same goes for Zappa, Beefheart, Laura Nyro, Yoko Ono, > Annette Peacock, Harry Partch, Lord Buckley, Don't hear Lord Buckley mentioned very often. He is, of course, the originator of the "Willie The Shake" phrase, from his comedic story of the same name about Shakespeare. There is a new, and quite wonderful book about Buckley by Oliver Trager called "Dig Infinity". RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:14:03 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's crazy sound effects KLCass21@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of brilliance, I am curious to know from the musicians on the list: > If you were asked to choose 1 Joni song that best exemplifies her brilliance > as a guitar player, what song would you suggest? > > Kurt I would pick "Woman of Heart and Mind". It kind of incapsulates her unique style of playing and tuning, and it has those little chromatic riffs that she whisks off so nicely. Another that comes to mind is "Silky Veils of Ardor". RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #245 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?