From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #240 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 240 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: CPR benefit review (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Need a clergy! njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni's peak voice [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Need a clergy! njc [anne@sandstrom.com] today in bobbie gentry history - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: today in bobbie gentry history - njc ["Heather" ] ronnie dyson-njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: ronnie dyson-njc [Randy Remote ] Re: ronnie dyson-njc ["mack watson-bush" ] ronnie dyson-thom bell njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Renewed Byrds (njc) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Joni's peak voice [Catherine McKay ] Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Renewed Byrds/Andrew Gold (njc) ["Kakki" ] RE: ultimate car tunes [rsc1 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:02:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: CPR benefit review (njc) Kate, They seem to be doing so well - I picked up a postcard last night about their new album "Little Man" - which noted "12 new songs produced by James Raymond with special guests David Crosby, Graham Nash, John Gorka and more..." Wow! You Santa Barbaran artists sure have a nice circle of friends ;-) I'd love to see them at one of your shows and hope to make it up there soon with maybe a few of the LA jmdlers in tow! Kakki > thanks kakki for the cpr review! so happy to hear your friend liked > A&J...their new cd is really terrific! btw...hope to have them up to play > one of our shows here this summer...hint hint... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:57:59 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Need a clergy! njc In a message dated 03/06/02 06:43:57 GMT Daylight Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << A recap: Jim looks for a Biblical citation for The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away. I said look in English liturgy. Brenda cites a variant, but not the exact, text in Job in the Scriptures. I respond that the exact text won't be in the Scriptures, that Job is the underlying, adapted text for the exact >> Funny, I thought it was "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." Azeem NP: Brazil v Turkey, about to start ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:09:41 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's peak voice <> I'm with you, Joseph...I still say that "Sweet Sucker Dance" is her peak as a VOCALIST. She really achieved what she was going for on that one. Bob NP: Prince, "1999" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 05:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Need a clergy! njc > That is my ministry: the people on the fringes of society, the > forgotten, those with no familes, those with no one else to be there but > me, people with public guardians sunce there is no family who will look > after these old and dying people.It is our 6th death in 10 months - but > that is what this ministry is all about, to be with people in their > penultimate moments on earth when there is no one else for them. This is such an important ministry, too Vince. But I'm sure it's often a loenly one. I think that sometimes those who do the most important work often feel that what they do isn't that important. There's not much money or recognition involved. It sounds like, as you go through your personal trials, you are finding some solace in your mission. You have strength even beyond what you know. > I am working my way through my emotions now: within days the home will > have a few more residents, and when when I look at the folks in the two > homes that I serve, unlike the usual ministry, I look at them and know > that within a few years each one of them will be dead, and my job is to > be their pastor and friend as they approach death, because they have no > one or damn few others to care about them in this situation. It is so hard to convey how incredibly important that is to the residents you help in this way. The chaplain who is my minister has helped me in so many ways that doctors and even social workers couldn't. He can see my soul, and I'm sure you can do the same with your 'congregation.' That is probably the most important thing one can do. It validates an entire life. It's probably the biggest need one has when facing one's mortality. The work you do is beyond vital! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:39:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: today in bobbie gentry history - njc The third of June Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchee bridge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:47:56 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc In a message dated 6/3/2002 9:39:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > The third of June > > Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchee bridge I know, I just go the news this mornin' from Choctaw Ridge! LOL, Murphy you are soooo funny! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:55:18 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: today in bobbie gentry history - njc LOL!! this is just the kind of humor i need to start my day. thank you, bob! heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:40 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: today in bobbie gentry history - njc The third of June Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchee bridge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: RE: today in bobbie gentry history - njc OK, I'll play. What's December 1? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:03:10 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long >Jim Lama writes: > ><< Pain-free, her interest in writing began to wane. Who needs catharsis >if >you don't have a problem? Joni has often said, "I sing my sorrow and I >paint >my joy." >> > >Bravo, Jim! This is very well done. > >For people who usually delete long posts, this is well worth reading -- so >read it! YES!! BRAVO!! Not only did I not delete it, I printed it out. Just like I did his HOSL critique. Just when I think I know pretty much all angles of Joni...another one surfaces. A wonderful read!!! Thanks, Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:06:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc Thanks for the reminder, Bob...as I recall, it was a sleepy dusky delta day. And it was a shame about Billy Joe anyhow... Bob, who remembers having a minor crush on Bobby Gentry NP: Prince, "Head" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:46:42 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc In a message dated 6/3/2002 10:02:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > OK, I'll play. What's December 1? > You stumped me Anne. All I can think of is ..........late December back in '63. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:35:19 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Joni's Four Periods, an essay William (AKA Willy the Shake) asked me to repost this because it didn't make it into the Joni-Only digest. Les assures me it's not a censorship issue. ====================== "Joni Mitchell's Four Periods", an essay for the Internet community ====================== Contrary to popular opinion, I believe Joni Mitchell's recording career should be divided into four periods so far, not three. 1. Early Portraits 2. Master Storyteller 3. Intellect Engaged 4. In Pain No More - --- I apologize in advance for the amateur psychology contained presented here. If one finds this kind of thing offensive, one is invited to delete it, unread. Joni Mitchell is a person, of course, and I respect that very much, but reviewers have always been allowed a certain amount of latitude. As you will see, I've taken considerable liberty with mine. "And so, I sit up here, the critic." (1) - --- In historical context, here's my argument. From the beginning, Joni was an artist. As a child, she sang and painted. Her Mom developed her intellect and discipline. At 9, her backbone was twisted up with polio. She underwent "the application of scalding compresses to her legs. The compresses were then removed, bringing the raw skin to the brink of blistering. Many doctors would later question the efficacy of this method, believing that its most lasting effect was not the physiological but psychological: the memory of the searing pain." (2) To escape the pain she took refuge in art. In the next passage from Karen O'Brien's book the emphasis is mine. "She'd been sent a colouring book to keep her occupied; the pictures were of old-fashioned English carol *singers*, with the *lyrics* printed alongside. Joan used cotton swabs - stained purple from the gentian violet used to treat her mouth ulcers - to *colour the illustrations*." (3) I am sure that Karen did not notice when she wrote her book how much is in those two sentences. Joni's whole career is right there. Nine-year-old Joan was meditating on singing, lyrics, and painting to offset her pain. It's all right there, at nine years old. Joan, nicknamed "Joni", evolved into a teenaged performer then began playing in coffee houses. As an art college student she obviously had tons of undeveloped talent but couldn't raise the dues to become a unionized nightclub singer. Her career was deadlocked. Then came Kelly/Kilauren. Joni kept an enormous and painful secret; she kept her daughter a secret from her parents. Ultimately, there was only one solution for her; she gave up Kelly/Kilauren for adoption. She must have been in severe anguish. She coped exactly as she did when she was nine. Joni meditated on singing, lyrics, and painting to offset her pain. Carrying an unbearable secret compelled Joni to become the exact opposite of a secret-keeper. She became the epitome of, the very embodiment of, the overtly open poet. I believe that withholding information was so disturbing that it empowered her to compensate by beautifully saying what was left. "The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away..."(4) It was impossible to express a single secret to her mother, but she became a vividly gifted lyricist, expressing everything else to the whole English speaking world. "In the beginning," Joni said, "I had a soprano voice so everyone compared me to Baez. I'd written a couple of songs but I just decided that the only way that I was going to be able to differentiate myself from any other of the singers was to have original material."(5) When others picked up on the quality of the early songs, some were covered by others in the coffeehouse circuit. A few, like "Both Sides, Now", had lives as a singles on the radio way before Joni had a recording contract. "The cover versions of her songs had inevitably brought interest from the recording industry, but the offers were far from irresistible: 'Record companies offered me terrible slave labour deals in the beginning and I turned them down. I turned down [independent folk label] Vanguard. They wanted three albums a year or something. In the folk tradition, they come and stick a mike on the table in front of you, and they collect it in an hour and that's the album. And that output - I already saw Buffy [Saint-Marie] struggling under the weight of it. So I thought, no way.'" (6) She hired Elliot Roberts as her manager and apparently, assigned to him the task of getting the "right" deal. He said, ".... It was a transitional period in society and in history and you either *got* it or you didn't get it. We had to search for people who got it and once we did and found them, we found that there were an awful lot of them but they were just either underground or just coming [up], society was just changing, the long-hairs were just coming in, the war was just becoming a major issue, civil rights were [in] transition... we didn't have a niche yet, there was a very small underground, [Greenwich] Village, everyone had their little quaint, Bohemian areas, but there were very few forums for artists like Joan or for poetry or poets." (7) So Elliot kept looking for an understanding and flexible company. Karen noted, "Major labels like Columbia - an obvious choice given that it was home to Bob Dylan - and RCA turned him down."(8) This next bit is crucial to understanding what releasing records means to Joni. "Electra had another chance to sign Joni but again opted out. Danny Fields, an Electra A&R man, had urged the company to take her on. Electra's high profile and acclaimed roster of folk-rock and neo-folk artists seemed to hold out the promise of fame and fortune - until, says Fields, Joni asked to design her own album covers. The Electra art department refused and the corporate hierarchy supported the decision. 'They said, no way. Our art department does the covers. You write the songs, you sing the songs. That's as far as it goes,' Fields recalled."(9) "Elliot Roberts flew out to California armed with twenty of Mitchell's songs - almost all of the material that would later appear on her first two albums, including 'Both Sides, Now', 'Chelsea Morning', 'Michael From Mountains', 'That Song About The Midway', 'I Had A King', and 'I Don't Know Where I Stand'. He didn't have to do much persuading: 'Those are some of the greatest songs in history. How could you not hear that and go, 'I'd take a risk on that person'? And that's really what it was... the songs spoke for themselves literally, they really did.' The success of the cover versions of Mitchell's songs had also put Roberts in a strong bargaining position and he was able to negotiate an almost unprecedented concession, particularly for a new artist; his client was given complete artistic control over her albums, ranging from the cover art to sleeve notes and musical content: 'That was the hard part. They were not used to anyone saying, 'It has nothing to do with the money, we need creative control.' We had a long-term goal, Joan had a long-term goal and knew how her record should sound. She hadn't learned the craft yet but she knew she was going to. It was new and a bit different for [Warners] to give up control but they could see that times were changing drastically... Mo [Ostin] was an innovative man, he did the same for Hendrix and Van Morrison and Van Dyke Parks in that era, where he let them have pretty much creative control. No one understood the music, there were all these young kids, ... [the major labels] understood that there was a whole new generation and they looked a lot different [from] the generations they had previously been selling music to.'" (10) She naively and rightfully saw the albums as art projects. Each one a whole. With the early albums, her palette of colors was with words and open tunings on acoustic guitar. On the debut album, "Song To A Seagull", Joni plays guitar almost exclusively. Later, her new palette was different instruments, including dulcimer and a fully-exploited piano. The first period I'll call "Early Portraits". The lyrics were largely about personal reflection or portraits of a single person. The characters, like "Nathan LaFraneer", were usually set in isolation, not in interaction. In the second period, "Master Storyteller", she rendered exquisitely detailed stories and worked with a larger palette of players and layers. The stories were often about love engaged, entangled, dissolving, or disassembled. She included "found" objects like the Burundi warrior drummers. She consciously sought out a jazz-rock band then recruited particular players who had been innovators from Miles Davis's work. The "Master Storyteller" period includes an long, unbroken string of brilliant and innovative albums that no solo Beatle has yet matched. Her collaborators pushed her musically, taking her albums far beyond the beautiful-chick-with-a-guitar clichi to which she is forever bound in the public's eye. The third period, "Intellect Engaged", saw her create 'thinking-woman' takes on poverty, famine, AIDS, and the myriad collection of what the modern world considers problems. Joni had come to an uneasy but long-lasting truce with her secrets. She often reflected on irony. Her main collaborator during this period, her long-time husband Larry Klein, brought a cool reserve and technical polish to these albums. These are very much studio creations; she commissioned countless sax solos, and moved them around as desired. This period was characterized by guest vocals from artists who happened to be renting studio time down the hall. As if the "kiln" had cool, each project took longer to "fire" than the last. The third phase was nearing an end when the divorce with Larry was happening and Turbulent Indigo was being formed in 1994. Divorce is never easy. Ripe to revisit her own pain, Joni immediately became inspired by a tabloid article and wrote about the societal misery inflicted upon unwed mothers in a bygone era. Kelly/Kilauren was in the foreground again. The third and fourth eras overlap but they are very different. In my opinion, 'hits' and 'misses' were the beginning of the fourth phase, "In Pain No More". Gone is the studied art work. Instead of taking months to paint cover art for 'hits', she used the first pun that popped into her head- a person who has been "hit" by a car. For "misses", she decided that mooning the viewer was a good way to express her distain for a public who had ignored her bravest work. The photo shoot for both albums was done in one day, as if on a single roll of film. The sudden, even reckless packaging decisions are certainly a break with the studied and endless polishing of the "Intellect Engaged" phase. The person who worked and reworked "Turbulent Indigo" is not the same person who pasted up deliberately skewed, misshapen letters for her greatest hits cover. Known in the past to take deliberate pains with sequencing an album, she swiftly, even recklessly, chose the cuts for "Misses" in a single day. In the past, she revisited canvases over and over again, tweaking and daubing. Not now. The perfectionism is gone. Joni delights now in delegating and making decisions quickly. The greatest hits collection helped the press and the public "put a frame around her" so to speak, to see her in the context of artists who have made rich contributions. Joni's career began to get recognition again as an innovator. By September 1996, she had won Billboard Magazine's Century Award, a Grammy for Turbulent Indigo, and was reluctantly inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. To steal a line from Shawn Colvin, Joni was "knee deep in accolades". I suggest that something eased inside her. Perhaps more confident than ever, in December 1996, she suddenly granted lots of interviews and talked at length about an old topic that was suddenly open for public discussion: Joni was searching for Kelly/Kilauren. Joni was looking to stop running, to right a wrong, to move on, to get past the pain. Next came the album, "Taming The Tiger", and the rapid-fire approach continued. She invented a spirited carnival sound in "Harlem In Havana", swallowed Donald Freed's words for "The Crazy Cries Of Love", and threw a drink in "Lead Balloon". The cohesiveness of the lyrics from the "Master Storyteller" phase has been replaced with broad brush strokes. Taking a scattershot approach to modern ills, Joni swipes attorneys, rapists, sunshine, pawnbrokers, and astronauts in "No Apologies". Ironically, she even insults those who provided reefer in the old days, fearing that "Drug lords" are buying up the banks. The old brilliance shone through though. Read as text, this lyric beautifully expresses a new kinship, possibly a reunion. 'This is really something. People will be envious, But our roles aren't clear, So we musn't rush. Still, we're burning brightly, Clinging like fire to fuel. I'm grinning like a fool. Stay in touch. We should stay in touch. Oh! Stay in touch In touch Part of this is permanent. Part of this is passing. So we must be loyal and wary Not to give away too much Till we build a firm foundation.' (11) Joni's secret daughter was revealed to the world in an AP story on March 20, 1997. The reunion brought a resolution to her pain of giving up her Kelly/Kilauren. She was relieved of hiding from her mother. Pain-free, her interest in writing began to wane. Who needs catharsis if you don't have a problem? Joni has often said, "I sing my sorrow and I paint my joy." Here's the proof. Joni decided not to write for the next project. She hired Vince Mendoza to write new arrangements. She even delegated to Larry Klein the joy of picking songs. "Both Sides Now" was a critical success. Still under contract and possibly without the 'fire in her belly' to write new songs, suddenly her first-ever sequel sounded like a good idea. The Internet community is wondering if "the next one in the nest will glitter for them so." (12) The audience tapes of the "Both Sides Now" tour clearly show that Vince has done some more wonderful arrangements. My personal favorite is the upcoming "Judgement Of The Moon And Stars, (Ludwig's Tune)". Even if she never writes another word, she's given the world so much superlative work that her place in history is assured..... Not that she was aiming to secure a place in history. She was just working through her pain. Jim L'Hommedieu June 02, 2002 Sources - ------------ 1. "For The Roses", JM 2. "Shadows and Light: The Definitive Biography", Karen O'Brien, Virgin Books Ltd, London 2001, p 24 3. Ibid, p 25 4. King James Bible, Job 1:21 5. "Shadows and Light: The Definitive Biography", p 48 6. Ibid, pp 63-64 7. Ibid, p 67 8. Ibid, p 66 9. Ibid, pp 66-67 10. Ibid, pp 68-69 11. "Stay In Touch", JM 12. "For The Roses", JM 13. "California", JM Thanks to Stephanie Morrison for getting me inspired. Thanks for the research assistance go out to Deb Messling, Brenda of JMDL, Jerry Notaro, Catherine McKay, and Vince Lavieri. As always thanks to Les Irvin, Jim Johanson, and the late Wally Breese for hosting the articles and discography (consulted but not noted, eh?) at jmdl.com & jonimitchell.com. All glories to Joni, always. "Will ya take me as I am? Will ya take me as I am? Will ya? Will ya take me as I am?" (13) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:16:36 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: CASSANDRA WILSON ON BRAVO!!! let me begin by apologizing for the no joni content but i know there are some " joni-onlies " who might be interested. bravo has a series called " musicians " and tonight's installment is on cassandra. the show runs an hour and is usually a combination of interview and music. fans of cassandra will want to tune in because the previous shows i've seen have been really good. it is hosted by david wild, who use to write for rolling stone. ( he may still...its been a while since i have had the chance to read one !) for you " joni-onlies "the show is usually shown again the following saturday. it is on tonight at 10:00 EST and on saturday at 7:00 EST, sorry i have no clue when it is shown in other time zones. enjoy... my best to you, warren keith p.s. the last show i caught was on ann & nancy wilson of " heart " and it was excellent. the segments are set up similar to a talk show, they performed, were interviewed and then performed again. i was impressed...bravo for bravo !!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:34:12 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc you probably all know about this...but....anyway..enjoy. Love and Peace...Sharon http://www.swinginchicks.com/bobbie_gentry.htm Bob Dylan wrote a response to "Ode to Billy Joe," he originally called his song "Answer to Ode" but renamed it "Clothes Line Saga" on The Basement Tapes LP in '75; here are Bob's sarcastic lyrics: "After a while we took in the clothes, nobody said very much, just some old wild shirts and a couple pairs of pants which nobody really wanted to touch Mama come in and picked up a book an' Papa asked her what it was, someone else asked, "What do you care?" Papa said, 'Well, just because' Then they started to take back their clothes, hang 'em on the line, it was January the thirtieth and everybody was feelin' fine The next day everybody got up seein' if the clothes were dry, the dogs were barking, a neighbor passed, Mama, of course, she said, 'Hi!' 'Have you heard the news?' he said, with a grin, 'The Vice-President's gone mad!' 'Where?' 'Downtown.' 'When?' 'Last night.' 'Hmm, say, that's too bad!' 'Well, there's nothin' we can do about it,' said the neighbor, 'It's just somethin' we're gonna have to forget. ''Yes, I guess so,' said Ma, then she asked me if the clothes was still wet I reached up, touched my shirt, and the neighbor said, 'Are those clothes yours?' I said, 'Some of 'em, not all of 'em.' He said, 'Ya always help out around here with the chores?' I said, 'Sometime, not all the time.' Then my neighbor, he blew his nose, just as Papa yelled outside, 'Mama wants you t' come back in the house and bring them clothes' Well, I just do what I'm told, so I did it, of course, I went back in the house and Mama met me, and then I shut all the doors") Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > The third of June > > Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchee bridge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:25:10 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: was bobbie gentry - Now Dec. 1 - njc > > OK, I'll play. What's December 1? > You stumped me Anne. All I can think of is ..........late December back in > '63. And the answer is: The first of December was covered with snow And so was the Turnpike from Stockbridge to Boston from Sweet Baby James - JT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:11:22 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: was gentry - then Dec. 1 - now May 1 - njc Anne answers: << The first of December was covered with snow And so was the Turnpike from Stockbridge to Boston >> Duh! I was stumped, and it's so obvious! Good one, Anne. Now here's another: How is May 1 like one of Joni's biggest hits? (Hint: I bet Europeans and Canadians will know before the US and other parts of the world.) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: was gentry - then Dec. 1 - now May 1 - njc > How is May 1 like one of Joni's biggest hits? (Hint: I bet Europeans and > Canadians will know before the US and other parts of the world.) MayDay is the call for distress, like "Help Me." lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:26:22 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: was gentry - then Dec. 1 - now May 1 - njc Anne answers, all too quickly for my taste: << MayDay is the call for distress, like "Help Me." >> Correct! As my algebra teacher used to say, "You get an 'A' for the day." I thought Canadians and Europeans would be more likely to know the answer since the distress signal is derived from the homophonic French "M'aidez," which of course means "Help Moi!" --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: was gentry - then Dec. 1 - now May 1 - njc > I thought Canadians and Europeans would be more likely to know the answer > since the distress signal is derived from the homophonic French "M'aidez," > which of course means "Help Moi!" That correct response was worth thousands of dollars! I majored in French :-) (and look where it got me...) And, since you asked, I just heard something on the radio the other day (no lie!) that explained that it's "m'aider" instead of "m'aidez" because it's an abbreviation of "Venez m'aider." Don't you just hate it when she does that??? :-) (gotta show off the thousands somehow - all those big bucks didn't do anything else for me...) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:05:39 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: RE: DIY divorce - njc hi >>>>catherine wrote >>>>1Recognizing that laws differ from place to place, I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has handled a divorce in their own - with no lawyer, or with only minimal use of lawyers. I have a friend who has done this & will discuss with her, but I'm appalled at how lawyers approach everything from an extremely adversarial position (when in most cases, it isn't necessary) and frankly, can't afford it. I'm not in a situation where either party could benefit to any great degree by going through this. If you've been through this and don't mind sharing, could you please contact me off-list to let me know how it went for you?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< i guess that the key to a quick and easy settlement is the attitude of both parties.... i went through a divorce around about two and a half years ago. since it was uncontested and pretty much amicable, i didnt want to spend a fortune on fancy lawyers. the route i took was to look in the local classifieds under the personals. i found a lawyer who was prepared to do the whole process for a fixed fee of R 850.00 (around USD 85.00 now - then it was probably around usd 100). the whole process was very quick and smooth, and i got some really good advice from the lawyer despite the ridiculously low cost. another alternative which i contemplated at the time was purchasing a do it yourself divorce kit. im not sure what the status is where you are, but here they are available at some of the better bookshops for a very low price. they have all the guidelines, forms, advice etc. that you need. i decided not to go this route, as, despite being very amicable, it was still a painfull process,and i didnt want to have to deal with all the extra technicalities myself. not a decision to be made easily or painlessly, i hope and pray you make the right decision for you, and that it works out well. in my particular case, despite the pain of the process, and the period of healing afterward, i am happy that i made the right mistake :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:03:06 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: ronnie dyson-njc I love ebay. Have wondered for years how one could get the albums that we used to have. Have envisioned warehouses of those wonderful recordings and figured they had to be there, somewhere. The record stores, Columbia record club, etc., only advertise greatest hits as a general rule, of those that I loved so much and longed to hear again. Have searched for Gene Cotton and Ronnie Dyson for over 23 years without luck. Today Ronnie came in the mail and Cotton a couple of weeks ago. All courtesy of ebay and for ridiculously low prices. Only low point is that they are albums and I worry about the complete dissolution of turntables, but for now it is okay. The Dyson album had never even been opened. Somewhere they are all waiting to be had. Hooray. What do the record companies do with all those unsold albums? np: ronnie dyson- one man band mack watson-bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:09:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: ronnie dyson-njc mack watson-bush wrote: > What do the record companies do with all those unsold albums? > They grind up the vinyl and reuse it. Really. And don't worry about turntables disappearing. You can always find one on ebay! RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:20:03 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: ronnie dyson-njc > > What do the record companies do with all those unsold albums? > > > > They grind up the vinyl and reuse it. Really. Say it ain't so Randy. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:25:16 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: ronnie dyson-thom bell njc I see from this album cover that Thom Bell is the man responsible for this sound, as well as the O'Jays, the Spinners, and the Stylistics; all major favorites of mine, especially the Stylistics. ooooh. Whoever you are Thom Bell, thanks. You are a master. mack watson-bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:43:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Renewed Byrds (njc) Oh my, my, my, my - life is too good! From the Byrds list by way of the CSN list: Message 1 in thread From: ANDREWGOLD (andrewgold@aol.com) Subject: Andrew Gold starting BYRDS BAND 4 LA-NEED PLAYERS Newsgroups: alt.music.byrds View this article only Date: 2002-05-28 18:30:38 PST Hi. Andrew Gold here (Ronstadt, Lonely Boy, Thank You For Being A Friend, Mad About You etc). I've been a Byrds fanatic since I was 14 and have continued to be in touch with Roger, David, and Chris. With their blessing, and with the promise that they may sit in from time to time, I'm starting a once-a-week, LA based, all BYRDS tribute band, and we are gonna do nothing but Byrds songs, especially the first 5 albums, which to me was their golden period. I will probably set up camp in a place like the MINT or THE JOINT or somewhere along those lines, so I can pack 'em in like Waddy Wachtell and Jack Tempchin does on Monday nights at the Joint (SRO every week, with celebs always dropping by). BUT WE NEED A FEW PLAYERS! POSITIONS AVAILABLE. We have a bass player. We have me (I'll be Mcguinn- re 12 string and Jim/Roger's vocal parts), and we have someone who can play Crosby's guitar parts, What we need are 3 things that would be great to be able to find in 2 people: A drummer, preferably one who will be able to imitate Michael Clarke's drum style, and we need someone to play handyman, playing some keyboard parts, some maracas and tambourine, and some acoustic guitar. AND, most importantly, we desperately need someone who can sing (strongly and in tune!) David Crosby's vocal harmonies/songs etc. If the keyboard/tamb guy can do that it would be perfect. OR, if we have someone who could play David's guitar parts and sing that would work great..but we need a voice as much like David's as possible. High harmonies. You don't need to look like them- and you don't HAVE to be a man either. Just good. So, if anyone is available, would like to have A LOT of fun, and is good, please contact me at andrewgold@aol.com. Thanks andrew gold www.andrewgold.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:08:15 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Renewed Byrds (njc) Thanks for that Kakki. Haven't been to very many concerts but did get to see Linda Ronstadt, with Andrew Gold, in the late seventies. Superb show and Gold was fantastic. Too bad I have no talent. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's peak voice Joseph wrote: > < that her voice's peak was during the time of > MINGUS.>> > SCJoniGuy@aol.com replied: > I'm with you, Joseph...I still say that "Sweet > Sucker Dance" is her peak as a VOCALIST. She really > achieved what she was going for on that one. > You're right - on a many-times-listened-to-in-a-row album, that song was listened to many times more. It's a beauty all right. ______________________________________________________________________ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > The third of June > > Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the > Tallahatchee bridge I thought about that yesterday, when it was only the 2nd of June! ______________________________________________________________________ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: today in bobbie gentry history - njc - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > OK, I'll play. What's December 1? > I thought I knew, then realized I was thinking of December 31. Does anyone know what day that is (apart from New Year's Eve, that is?) ______________________________________________________________________ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:12:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: was gentry - then Dec. 1 - now May 1 - njc - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Now here's another: > > How is May 1 like one of Joni's biggest hits? (Hint: > I bet Europeans and > Canadians will know before the US and other parts of > the world.) > Well, I'm Canadian and I couldn't figure that one out at all! ______________________________________________________________________ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:49:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: today in bobbie gentry history - njc > I thought I knew, then realized I was thinking of > December 31. Does anyone know what day that is (apart > from New Year's Eve, that is?) > It's the very worst time of the year You have to think of people you like enough to share your beer Just when you're having fun It's January One And you wait for explanations to appear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:10:35 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: samples NJC "Mike Pritchard" writes: >I would love to hear the music made by Kate, Sherelle, Fred, Marian and >many many more of the jonilistas but am unable to attend a jonifest. With >all the technology and goodwill available here (not to mention Bob's >cover expertise) is there no way in which these and other artistes on the >list could send, say, a couple of tracks each to someone, say Bob, for >instance, and then the people out of the loop would be able to buy them. >I would certainly be interested in getting to hear these people and would >willingly pay the price of the CD and the postage. Can't we put our heads >together and get this moving?mike Cool with me. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:38:42 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Odd Joni CD While in Borders last night, I checked the Joni catalog, as always (very good supply) and complimented the coffee maker on whoever had lifted the BSN album cover artwork from the music section and permanently installed it in the coffee section ... Anyway, while flipping through the Joni CDs, I came upon a very funny-looking one, a caricature of Joni, a close-up of her face from the Hejira cover shot, that read "Joni Mitchell." Upon further investigation, I saw it was by a group called Girls in the Valley, made in England. It also boasted "poster inside"! It had ten cuts, all Joni's stuff. It also had the name Poptoones on it. I almost bought it, but thought it might be, uh, well, really bad. Anyone know about it? Bob Muller? Your learned opinion on this? Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:03:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Renewed Byrds/Andrew Gold (njc) Mack wrote: > Thanks for that Kakki. Haven't been to very many concerts but did get to > see Linda Ronstadt, with Andrew Gold, in the late seventies. Superb show > and Gold was fantastic. Too bad I have no talent. Maybe we can try out for back-up singers/tambourine players ;-) I think our Victor should put in his resume for this one! Gold was very instrumental in Linda's 70s work and is also in the group Bryndle with Karla Bonoff, Wendy Waldman and Kenny Edwards. I was just checking out his website (pondering whether to send him a gush over his new project) and found out something interesting that I didn't know: "His father, Ernest Gold, won an Academy Award for his musical score for Exodus. His mother, Marni Nixon, was the singing voice of Natalie Wood in West Side Story; Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady; and Deborah Kerr in The King And I, among many others." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:50:04 -0700 From: rsc1 Subject: RE: ultimate car tunes My addition to that list: When driving through spectacular, wide open, dramatic scenery (particularly under big skies): either of Brian Blade's fine albums, "Fellowship" and "Perceptual". [the latter with Ms. Mitchell on the title track, of course] Russ Cole - -------------------------------------- >Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:17:00 -0500 >From: mann@chicagonet.net >Subject: Hejira and Esquire Magazine > > JONI MENTION!! > >Esquire Magazine - July 2002 issue - >(Al Pacino is on the cover). > >AMERICA or BUST. Two dozen pages of the >best the open road has to offer. Under >"Ultimate Car Tunes" on page 64 is 11 picks. >The very FIRST pick is Hejira: > >"11 Records for the Road" >Soundtracks for every scenario all across the land. > > 1. When pondering the urge to flee: Joni Mitchell, Hejira, Joni's >nine-song rumination on blue motel rooms, black crows, and the high art >of getting the hell away. > 2. When actually fleeing: The Rolling Stones: Exile on Main Street > 3. When sheepishly returning: The Silos, Cuba > 4. When looking for parking: The Cars, The Cars > 5. When struggling to stay awake: Minutemen, Double Nickels on the >Dime > 6. When it's as hot as the sun: John Patton, Memphis to New York >Spirit > 7. When it's cool and rainy: Keith Jarrett, The Melody at Night > 8. When the road is black ice: Sigur Ros, Agaetis Byrjun > 9. When in Kansas: The Feelies, The Good Earth >10. When crossing the Mississippi: Charlie Rich, Feel Like Going Home: >The Essential Charlie Rich >11. When in gridlock: Dr. Dre, The Chronic. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #240 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?