From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #236 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 1 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 236 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Nick Drake NJC [John Low ] Joni In Fiction [John Low ] re: Patty Griffin ["Jerome Gonzales" ] Woman of Heart and Mind [Gordon Mackie ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #157 [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: Patty Griffin [Julius Raymond ] A continuing discussion and what the research paper is about ["Kate Benne] patty griffin review njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: ER NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: njc Eminem sings! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni in Fiction (NJC) (Jackie Sussan) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: A freebie for you (Joni cover) [Mags N Brei ] Re: ER NJC ["Grace" ] sjc - Joni influences ["mia ortlieb" ] The latest Tribute [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: sjc - Joni influences [Jerry Notaro ] Why Joni doesn't go to 11 [Lindsay Moon ] NJC Re: Why Joni doesn't go to 11 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Blonde in the Bleachers [Abbymusique@aol.com] SoCal Lister Question [Lindsay Moon ] Re: they took me away once again [Nuriel Tobias ] old pop stars try soap operas (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: old pop stars try soap operas (NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] is that a joint she's smoking or what? [KLCass21@aol.com] Re: old pop stars try soap operas (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: is that a joint she's smoking or what? ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: is that a joint she's smoking or what? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: is that a joint she's smoking or what? [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Low Subject: Nick Drake NJC Azeem wrote: NP: Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left - Ah, would that this fragile genius had lived long enough to have beginning, middle and end periods... I second that, Azeem! Funny but last night I was watching a cheap video I'd just bought of an old episode of that 1970s British show The Professionals - and there was Nick's sister Gabrielle playing Bodie's girlfriend!!! Apologies to more than half the list if that show was never screened in North America! :-) Regards, John (in Sydney) - with his new email address! Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Low Subject: Joni In Fiction My congratulations too, to Bob and Lori (and any others) for this splendid new section on the homepage! All your hard work has produced something that will provide us all with tons of enjoyment - and some interesting new reading and film viewing! Thanks heaps! John (in Sydney) Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:55:04 -0700 From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: re: Patty Griffin OK, I couldn't make it to the PG concert at the Troubadour, so I'm asking Kate and anybody who was there to give a play-by-play. Hope it was as transcendent as I imagine... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:10:37 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Woman of Heart and Mind Dear All Been reading the posts 'bout Joni's work being split into two categories of heart (ealier) and mind (later). I'm unconvinced. Would we be saying the same things if it were a man's output being discussed. Perhaps 'time to reflect' is the added dimension to the later work but I feel she has always cleverly 'see-sawed' the heart/mind thang. Think of some of her earliest works...Gift of the Magi...direct literary reference (or homage) but clearly about a 'portait of a disappointment'.....Fiddle and the Drum...political but personal.... See...irrefutable evidence thru two examples....lol...er...I'll go now..head back down below the parapet. Anyone else care to cite examples? Gordon PS It's Queen Lizzie's bash this weekend. I'm off work till Wednesday. Hoorah! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 04:53:22 EDT From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #157 In einer Nachricht vom 31.05.2002 8:03:05 Uhr schreibt les@jmdl.com: << Jacques Brel and Barbara >> Right you are, John van Tiel - wonderful musicians and poets, just like your Dutch Herman van Veen... There was a mentioning of a German cover band playing Joni - I lost the information, could somebody please send them to me. Love from Karin in Germany - - and thank you for all the wonderful birthday greetings!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 01:55:27 -0700 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Patty Griffin Jerome wrote: > OK, I couldn't make it to the PG concert at the Troubadour, so I'm asking > Kate and anybody who was there to give a play-by-play. Hope it was as > transcendent as I imagine... I'm going to catch Patty's performance tommorow night in San Francisco. You can listen to Patty live on the web tommorrow, Jerome: On Friday, 5/31, at 11:15am PDT, Patty will be performing on 89.9 KCRW's "Morning Becomes Eclectic". Listen via the web at www.kcrw.org. Also on Friday, at 6:00pm PDT, Patty will be performing in-store at Amoeba, 1855 Haight St., San Francisco, CA 415-831-1200. On Sunday, 6/2, at 3:00pm PDT, Patty will be performing in-store at Music Millenium, 801 NW 23rd, Portland, OR. On Monday, 6/3, at 3:15pm PDT, Patty will be performing on 107.3 KMTT's "Mountain Lounge". Listen via the web at www.kmtt.com. Also on Monday, at 6:00pm PDT, Patty will be performing in-store at Tower Records, 500 Mercer Street, Seattle, WA. On Sunday, 6/9, Patty's performance on 104.5/97.7 KFOG will air during the "Acoustic Sunrise" program. Listen via the web at www.kfog.com. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 03:05:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A continuing discussion and what the research paper is about >>I would move the last album of your classifications into the preceding period: For the Roses moves to the beginning, and Mingus moves to the middle.<<< i agree with this & have to say that i am an early period joni lover...if i have to pick my favorite group...maybe its because i grew up as joni did...listening to her albums & learning about love from her (before i really understood it)...with each new release....or maybe because i love the folk genre so much & she just changed the game in such a big way with that genre & there is more of the singer/songwriter there...joni & her instrument...not much else in the arrangements...or maybe its because i love the romantic kind of writing she did back then (as an example i love the line from Tin Angel, for its beautiful visual description, or maybe because it reflects the that time of life for me...more childlike & innocent times): Varnished weeds in window jars Tarnished beads on tapestries Kept in satin boxes are Reflections of love's memories... ...however, this period is imo, an example of her writing with both her heart & head...she definitely wears her heart on her sleeve but she describes it with such intelligence & depth...i also love the artwork she did back then, especially the cover of Ladies of the Canyon...also i think her melodies were more...melodic back then...we had a loooong discussion not too long ago so i won't go into that again... anyway, those early albums are the ones i listen to most...i think of certain songs that to this day are just astounding to me...so brilliantly written- i had a king, that song about the midway, rainy night house, woodstock (i was there, she wasn't...she captured the event miraculously well), little green (especially now that we know what its about), circle game (forget for a minute that you've heard it a zillion times), blue, carey, a case of you, woman of heart & mind, ETC. i love lots of songs from her other periods, but taken as a whole, the beginning period is my desert island group... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 03:19:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: patty griffin review njc speaking of favorites who stand very close to joni...patty griffin is one of mine... we saw her tonight at the troubadour...it was sold out...she was as good as promised...what an incredible voice...her band was her guitarist/mandolin player who helped her produce her latest (imo masterpiece), a keyboard/accordian player & a cello player...she did most of her new songs, & a few from each of her two other cds...& some from the never released silver bell...the audience went nuts & she did two or was it three? encores... thanks to kakki we got the inside scoop on a good place to hang since it was mostly standing room (almost got to the left on the stage kakki, we claimed our leaning place on the poles right next to the stage)... found out from her guitar tech what the magic tuning she plays rain in since i've only been able to do it in standard which doesn't quite work...can't wait to try it...i watched her fingers so i'd know once i found out which tuning... & maia sharp was excellent also (the opening act)...a great songwriter...she kept saying how excited she was to open for patty & that for a long time she was disgusted with the music biz because of all the stoooopid lyrics she was hearing on the radio...then she heard a patty cd & her faith was restored...well she kind of said it like that...i know how she feels... worth the drive to see her & patty even did a tom waitts song (ruby's arms) as a reward to jeff who went because i made him... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:24:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: ER NJC In a message dated 5/30/02 8:27:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Grace@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: > woman? Whichever, it was, I hated it. Ruined a poignant scene, imo. Far > better > would have been Eva's version.> > Colin/grace, Alan Larson posted this a couple of weeks ago but I guess you were still having the operation done :~D Anyway, the singer was a male ( Israel Kamakawiwo'ole). I agree that Eva's version is great, but since Mark grew up in Hawaii and was dying in Hawaii, what better rendition of "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" than Hawaiian style? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:27:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Eminem sings! Thanks for the post on this one, Vince...I've read only good things about it and plan on picking it up and giving it a spin, so I'll let you know. Bob NP: My Flexible Friends, "Trust In Me" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:54:37 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni in Fiction (NJC) (Jackie Sussan) In a message dated 05/31/2002 12:06:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > I also found it intriguing to see a book by Jacqueline Susann and Ray > Lawrence, entitled "Shadow of the Dolls." I have to say, I have read > "Valley of the Dolls" several times (first when I was 16), and other books > by Jacqueline Susann and have thoroughly loved many of them. > I will have to read this one too. > Ha, another Valley fan! I found that book in our local Borders and waited to no end for our library to buy it. I'm still waiting, go figure! I sat down one afternoon and read it through in about an hour, a breezy read to say the least. Not the most high brow of books but it's doofy fun for sure. The Sussann biography is an interesting read as well. MG who wonders just who the heck is that Taylor Ham person ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: A freebie for you (Joni cover) - --- bro Bob wrote: > > > (Of course, while you're on CDBaby you can get copies of Victor > Johnson's and > Kate Bennett's CD's, makes a great graduation and/or wedding gift!) Funny how a word (wedding) will jump right off the page at certain times in your life. ;-) Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and say a big me too with respect to Kate's and Victor's CDs...and for that matter, you might want to check out Stevie's and Shane's and Anne's and Gregg's and Fred's and David's and Sherelle's.... oh my my my ! Honeyboi and I heard Kate's CD this weekend and it is fantastic !!!!! thanks again Kate :~))) > so much recorded and unrecorded talent in our midst...whew! Mr & Mrs Mags np: Case of You, from Both Sides Now ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:19:10 +0100 From: "Grace" Subject: Re: ER NJC > Colin/grace, grace-colin is out to lunch for an extended period. I am filling in for him I agree that Eva's version is great, but since Mark > grew up in Hawaii and was dying in Hawaii, what better rendition of > "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" than Hawaiian style? Eva's! > > Jimmy > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:07:10 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: sjc - Joni influences I have seen some articles where Joni mentions other artists that she has appreciated and/or been influenced by. Some of these mentions are of Billie Holiday and Edith Piaf. I confess I know nothing about either. Can anybody recommend some albums to start with? Thanks, Mia.......npimh EASTERN RAIN -Joni Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:26:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The latest Tribute Hi Karin, The album is titled "Places to Come From, Places To Go", by the Steve Klink Trio. It's available at amazon.de and a couple other German music sites. To the US listers who are interested: I've been in converstion with Steve, he's got a copy coming my way. He wants me to listen to it first, and then we can work out how many additional copies I can order from him, autographed of course! ;~) So stay tuned, I'll report when I get it. Bob NP: Basement Jaxx, "Romeo" (acoustic) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:32:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: sjc - Joni influences mia ortlieb wrote: > I have seen some articles where Joni mentions other artists that she has > appreciated and/or been influenced by. Some of these mentions are of Billie > Holiday Billie Holiday's grandfather was one of 17 children of a black Virginia slave and a white Irish plantation owner. Her mother was only 13 when she was born. The future "Lady Day" first heard the music of Louis Armstrong and Bessie Smith on a Victrola at Alice Dean's, the Baltimore "house of ill repute" where she ran errands and scrubbed floors as a young girl. She made her singing debut in obscure Harlem nightclubs (borrowing her professional name from screen star Billie Dove), then toured with Count Basie and Artie Shaw before going solo. Benny Goodman dragged the frightened singer to her first studio session. Between 1933 and 1944, she recorded over 200 "sides," but she never received royalties for any of them. Despite a lack of technical training, Holiday's unique diction, inimitable phrasing and acute dramatic intensity made her the outstanding jazz singer of her day. White gardenias, worn in her hair, became her trademark. "Singing songs like the 'The Man I Love' or 'Porgy' is no more work than sitting down and eating Chinese roast duck, and I love roast duck," she wrote in her autobiography. "I've lived songs like that." Her own compositions "God Bless the Child," espousing the virtues of financial independence and "Don't Explain," lament on infidelity. Billie Holiday, a musical legend still popular today, died an untimely death at the age of 44. Birth Name Eleanora Fagan Gough. Used the name "Billie Holiday" because of her admiration for film star Billie Dove. She was discovered by John Hammond. In 1933 Hammond organized her first recording session with Benny Goodman. Her early band was organized by pianist Teddy Wilson. At one time her sidemen included Benny Goodman and Roy Eldridge. In 1937 teamed up with Count Basie. Established a lifelong relationship with Lester Young "Prez." In 1939 she introduced "Strange Fruit" & "God Bless the Child." Portrayed in the movie "Lady Sings the Blues." In 1946 she gave a triumphant concert at Town Hall and appeared in the film "New Orleans." In 1954 toured Europe. Died on July 17,1959. > and Edith Piaf. Edith Piaf has always had a cult following. A voice like hers comes along perhaps once in a century. Her sad and valiant life story steals hearts. She was born Edith Giovanna Gassion outside 72 rue de Belleville in 1915. Abandoned by her mother, a street singer, the girl was first taken care of by her aunt and her Moroccan paternal grandmother. By the age of seven, she was touring with her father, a circus acrobat, throughout Western Europe. She received little formal education. By the age of eight, Gassion sang with her father's act, and by nine, she sang (at first, the "Marseillaise") on her own. In her early teens, she lived with her possible half-sister, Simone Bertaut, working as a street singer, sleeping in alleys or in cheap hotels. When she was nineteen, nightclub impressario, Louis Leplee, discovered her. He was responsible for her nickname, "Kid Sparrow," and her stage name, Edith Piaf. Her life was brief, her fame international. In 1961, though nearly unable to stand, Piaf appeared at the Paris Olympia, and within eighteen months (1963), she was dead of cancer. Although she died in the of France, her body was transported secretly to her apartment at 67 Boulevard Lannes so her fans believe she had died in Paris. She was forbidden a Mass by the archbishop of Paris (because of her lifestyle), yet her ceremony at Pere-Lachaise was bombarded by forty thousand fans. Charles Aznavour, whom she helped launch in business, recalled that Piaf's funeral procession was the only time, since the end of World War II, that Parisian traffic came to a complete stop. A museum dedicated to this French icon's memory is tucked in a slightly seedy quarter of Paris, which is housed in a fervent fan's apartment. Menilmontant may be an up-and-coming area, but it's still ascending. Edith Piaf never lived in this neighborhood as an adult, but she spent time here in her childhood. The area is working class and immigrant, not highly frequented by tourists. On rue Crespin du Gast, the Musee Edith Piaf is a bit hard to find. It is listed in few guidebooks. The tiny plaque on the building's facade says "Les Amis de Edith Piaf," indicating only the fan club, with six thousand members worldwide. You will need to make an appointment to visit the apartment museum, which was founded in 1977. Its director, Bernard Marchois, will give you directions to the building and an access code which will allow you to enter through first door, then a second. You will need to climb four winding flights of stairs (no elevator), and meet Marchois, author of two of a multitude of Piaf biographies. He escorts you into the small, cluttered space, as does his low-slung dog. They live in this shrine to Piaf's memory . In his early childhood, Marchois knew Piaf slightly: " Between 1958 and 1963, I went to boulevard Lannes (her last address) many times," he states quietly. The museum is two small rooms, quirky and very much a labor of love. You are free to look around on your own; Marchois will gladly answer questions but is not inclined to lengthy conversations. He'd prefer you seep yourself in the atmosphere of Piaf's trophies--gold records and one platinum, countless paintings and photographs--some excellent, some tacky--and see her collections of dishes, clothing, . A lifesize cardboard image of Piaf, dressed in a black dress "from her good days," stands near a seated life-sized teddy bear, a present from her dear Theo (husband number two). Her voice is constantly singing in the background as you explore. Aside from Piaf's trophies and artwork, you will see tiny dresses, mostly form-fitting black but one a surprising bright red, clutch bags, a pair of her open-toed pumps (size 34), souvenir glasses from grand concerts in Paris and New York, letters to her from the likes of Maurice Chevalier (who once called her "a little bantamweight champion"), Marcel Cerdan's (a boyfriend, considered a husband) boxing gloves, and the bear, who seems like a guardian angel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:44:56 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Why Joni doesn't go to 11 I'm transcribing a 1994 interview Joni did at L.A. radio station KSCA and when the interviewer asks why "Facelift" wasn't added as the 11th track to TI, Joni laughs and says because after 10 the record company robs you. She doesn't elaborate, just says ' you gotta get savvy!' Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:20:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Why Joni doesn't go to 11 **Joni laughs and says because after 10 the record company robs you. She doesn't elaborate, just says ' you gotta get savvy!'** That was the quote I was referring to earlier, Lindsay...thanks! Bob NP: Paul Westerberg, "Let The Bad Times Roll" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:54:59 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: The Blonde in the Bleachers I have no facts to add to this thread although I've really enjoyed the discussion. I just wanted to say that aesthetically speaking, my favorite part of that song is that arpeggiated chord she plays on the piano the measure before she sings "She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand..." Sometimes Joni will just pull out this little piece of wonderful out of nowhere, somekind of strange modulating chord that is just beautiful, and I think this is one of those spots. Another great modulation I like from her is in "Blue" right before she sings "Everybody's saying that Hell's the hippest way to go out..." Just gorgeous. Abby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:41:44 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: SoCal Lister Question For all you So. Cal. listers, here's a question. As I mentioned in another post, I am transcribing an interview Joni did in 1994 at KSCA (in Glendale) for a program called Music Hall. The female interviewer never identifies herself. Any idea who she is? (I'd rather have a name for her other than "Announcer.") Also, at one point the interviewer asks an awkward question (I thought) something along the lines of is there anything in your back catalog that embarrasses you (excuse me! Everything Joni does is gold, pure gold!!) Anyway, back to reality, Joni says no, but talks about how her early stuff is very intricate and has a lot of grace notes, that it's very difficult for her to recreate how she played those songs, and she says something like "it's like ood playing." Thinking she was referring to some kind of intricate musical instrument, I thought it was ute. No such thing in the dictionary. I've looked up ood, ude, ute, and any combination I can think of. Okay, it's probably a three-letter word, but I'm obsessed about getting these transcriptions as accurate as possible. If you have any ideas, please email me. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: they took me away once again Hi Michael! thanks for your kind and wise words. have to think about it though but you know i love you all no matter what happenes to me. later friend, nuriel - --- Michael Paz wrote: >Nuriel >Damn where have you been girl?? I feel your pain, but are you not sure it >was just a flashback from another drug era?? Glad you grabbed hold of the >list again. It is a foundation that is hard to resist and tough to compare. >Be well! > >Paz > >P.S. Milky kisses in the globe??? > >on 5/29/02 1:01 PM, Nuriel Tobias at nuriel@wowmail.com wrote: > >> H-E-LLLOOOOOOO boys and girls and all aliens!!!:) how are you all? hope you're >> better than ever and in a good vibe mood. As you may have noticed, i was >> unbeing, nonpresented and dissfeaturing in our enchanting list for sometime. i >> was "there" again, after being caught in a drug mess that ruined me strongly >> bad and shocked my senses and made me go BANANAS, again that is, but you know >> i told you when i met you i was crazy. (well, i'm not, but i was so overdozed >> they just had the urge to take me to the asylum and watch my hair growing >> longer by the hour, hehe:) it's realy long now. btw:) >> >> nough said. >> > >> >> love, hugs and all the milky kisses in the globe >> _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:51:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: old pop stars try soap operas (NJC) Okay, before I'm booted off this intellectual list, I confess: Then 10 step program (or is it 12) says to admit your addiction: I HAVE BEEN WATCHING A SOAP OPERA FOR THE PAST 35 YEARS! There I've said it, whewwww! My Mother *forced* me to watch "As the World Turns" when I was a child. I tried to resisit, but by the time I got to college I was hooked. I joined a fraternity only to find that most of the guys aslo watched "ATWT" too. So the rest is history. So, as for my subject line I noticed a new familiar face on "my story" a few weeks ago, but couldn't quite place the name. It turns out that it's Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits. He plays a butler on the show. Well, if that's not bad enough, today a preacher enters the show. No doubt who it was..........it's Mickey Dolenz of The Monkees. LOL If I'd only saved my old Teen Beat magazines. It's a good thing Joni never has been a pop star. I can't imagine her playing an evil twin who's come back to Oakdale to taunt her sister's new husband. :~) Okay Les, you can throw me off the list now, but I've come clean now. Have a great weekend everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:16:58 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: old pop stars try soap operas (NJC) hehehe. Me too, Jimmy. At least pertaining to ATWT. It was my family' soap opera and I will always have a soft spot in my heart for it. Have a special love for Lisa and she is like one of the family. Gave up the soap opera habit years ago though. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:40:43 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Oud Question Answered Azeem in London answered my question. The instrument Joni is referring to is an oud ("a musical instrument of the lute family used in southwest Asia and northern Africa," per Merriam-Webster's 10th edition.) Many thanks to Azeem! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:25:21 EDT From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: is that a joint she's smoking or what? Hi everyone - Don't know about the Lakota video - it's a bit grainy to tell. I used to think that Joni was smoking a doobie on the cover of Blue! My LP cover was faded with a vinyl ring, and worn from heavy rotation. The reflective glint looked like a roach clip to me. A while back I inquired about the 3 rings in the sun from O&M. Recently I heard a Weather Channel reporter say that the rings in the sun appeared over Miami yesterday. Could Joni have been referring to some regional meteorological phenomenon or was it just a coincidence that the rings appeared over Miami? Just a comment on the Joni/Sally Kellerman resemblance. I first noticed the similarity in Back to School. If someone ever films Joni's life story, I can see Olivia D'abo as 60's Joni, Rosanna Arquette as 70's Joni and Sally as current Joni. Kurt NP: Roxy, Concrete Blonde ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:12:43 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: old pop stars try soap operas (NJC) I have been watching All My Children since 1971, same reason, Jimmy, all my friends watched in college and I got hooked too. I think that if - may it never happen - Joni was a soap star, she'd be on AMC playing Erica Kane's sister and arch nemesis - Joni Mitchell vs Susan Lucci, what a contest that would be! Vince celebrating a 7-0 Red Wings victory over the Avs! NP: Harry Potter on dvd - hey, my grandson is over, and of course I had the movie pre-ordered! We just came back from Star Wars, too - he is thinking this is the perfect night for a 7 year old boy! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:15:05 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni & Shirley Eikhard I just wanted to let you in on a singer I enjoy very much, and (mysteriously) is one of Canada's best kept secrets. IMHO, her work is every bit as interesting as Cassandra Wilson's, if not more so. Shirley Eikhard is a seasoned lyricist, composer, arranger and jazz vocalist, who credits Joni as an influence, and reviewers sometimes mention Joni in describing her work. For example, [SE] Yeah. Oh, you know, it's funny because when I was growing up, I grew up in a family that... we had everything. Everything from Led Zeppelin going on on the record player, to Merle Haggard, to Buck Owens, myself with Joni Mitchell, Ian and Sylvia, Gordon Lightfoot. And then I started discovering jazz. Chet Atkins, Paul Desmond, which is when I first heard Ed play, and Cleo Lane, Carmen McCrae, and so I was kinda like this closet jazz lover. And even though through my teens, twenties, and thirties I was doing pop writing, singing and that kind of thing I was, you know, writing these songs, these jazz things, because that was my secret love. So now I'm finally, at 42, going "Yeah! I want to do this." ``The CD opens with the one vocal track, "Some New Thrill." Wow! What a voice. Smoky, dark, mysterious - she reminds me of Cassandra Wilson or Joni Mitchell, with that same type of sensualness that wraps itself around you. `` ``These days, what you get is a spiky jazz workout that wouldn't sound out of place on Joni Mitchell's Don Juan's Wreckless (sic) Daughter. (From The Last Hurrah, Indie CD) `` Now that I've piqued your curiosity - enjoy! http://www.shirleyeikhard.com Michaelo NP: Shirley Eikhard - Going Home ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:16:58 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: is that a joint she's smoking or what? > A while back I inquired about the 3 rings in the sun from O&M. Recently I > heard a Weather Channel reporter say that the rings in the sun appeared over > Miami yesterday. That's interesting. I always thought it was a circus reference. She mentioned 'Pagliacci summer frocks' and Pagliacci was a clown, I believe. So I thought she meant that what Marlena is watching from her tenth floor balcony resembles both an opera and a three ring circus. But I like this thing about 3 rings in the sun! Does anyone have any info about this particular phenomenon? Mark E in Seattle grieving tonight over the unexpected and sudden loss of our cat, Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:27:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: email address change hello everyone...just wanted to say that as of the end of July, my Canadian email account will cease to exist, so it has been suggested that I start the ball rolling now and give out my new address. you can reach me along side honey boi at : <> OR in a smaller space at < Subject: Re: is that a joint she's smoking or what? If someone ever films > Joni's life story, I can see Olivia D'abo as 60's Joni, Rosanna > Arquette as 70's Joni and Sally as current Joni. .... and maybe Canadian actress Deborah Kara Unger for the 80s Joni. joseph np: nina simone: "just like a woman" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #236 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?