From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #232 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 232 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Patty Griffin at the Troubadour (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #231 [Nnamani Ugu ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #231 [Nnamani Ugu ] Blonde in the Bleachers ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Americans and music (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: Blonde in the Bleachers [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] RE: Sentence construction ["Heather" ] Re: Joni Rarities [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:59:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Patty Griffin at the Troubadour (njc) Kate, Jerome and whoever else may be going - I just heard that Maia Sharp is opening for Patty at the Troub on Thursday. Phyliss and I saw Maia open for Jonatha Brooke last year and she blew us away. She reminded me of a cross between Laura Nyro and Jimmy Webb ( I know that sounds weird but it's a good thing!) She is quite amazing and I hope you get to catch her. I'm down and out with the worst cold of my life so don't know if I will be ambulatory enough to drag over there, but please give us a review! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nnamani Ugu Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #231 The issue of marketing music in America caught my attention. And I wander whether the pattern of American music lovers not patronising music from other countries is not typical of American lifestyle. Everything must be American standard or no deal. I feel the people should try out music from elsewhere for a change and better understanding of those cultures and lifestyle. Ugu Nnamani JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 231 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Thanks, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni Look a like, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] How can you tell an American? (njc) [Gordon Mackie American Record Buying Public, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" Joni Rarities [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Sentence construction [Dave Cuneo ] 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' ["kerry" Re: Joni Rarities [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Pat Benatar NJC ["kerry" ] Re: Sentence construction/Chinese Cafe [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The american record buying public NJC [Abbymusique@aol.com] Re: The american record buying public and music from other countries NJC ["Brenda" Fwd: Re: The American record buying public [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: The American record buying public (vljc) [christopher blake calling Bree (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: British Columbia songs ["flopit" ] RE Sonny Landreth ["flopit" ] Re: The American record buying public (vljc) [Randy Remote the mysteries unwind themselves...NJC [Ricw1217@aol.com] W32 Klez virus alert [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: W32 Klez virus alert [Gerald Notaro ] Blonde in the Bleachers ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Gary Zack ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Randy Remote ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #230 - media/public image of Joni [BRYAN8847@aol.co] RE: 9/11 tribute on hbo njc ["Kate Bennett" ] KINGS WIN!!!!!!!!!NJC ["gene mock" ] My Joni ["brian symes" ] Cartoon Coasters ["brian symes" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:30:26 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Thanks, NJC Since I live in a touristy part of Paris, my wife and I came across a tour bus of VETS who came for the 50th anniversary of D day. We were dismayed that nobody seemed to pay any attention to them whatsoever. So we spontaneaously came forward and started thanking them, which is the very least we could do. They took us on their bus and told us stories. One VET gave me a dollar bill as a souvenir! Very moving and sweet. I accepted since I didn't want to insult him. Laurent - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:50:15 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Look a like, NJC I'll get personal here. One day in L.A. when I was single I met this French woman who worked in a clothing store. She was a you know who look a-like, and she didn't know it. I am sure most of you would have jumped at the occasion to satisfy a fantasy. So, to make a long story short, she moved in with me shortly afterwards. Then I realized she was not a nice person. In the meantime she came across the WTRF songbook and when she saw the pictures that looked exactly like her she understood my motives. So, as things deteriorated I wanted her out of my appartment and she wouldn't leave. But she eventually did, which is to show you one can't judge a book by its cover. Laurent - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:31:41 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: How can you tell an American? (njc) Chorando6@aol.com wrote Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. For those who are not into Kurt Weill, the title of the post is a song from 'Lady in the Dark, one of his musical theatre pieces. I wonder what the poll quoted means in terms of 'American'?. Do you think this refers to American artists? Recorded in America. North America only? Discuss. Bob feels American music is influenced by all other cultures. What is American music? Can we be selective and say it is one thing and not another. ie. yes to Gershwin (or should that be Gershowitz) but not Britney. Hmm I'm a thinkin'. Was Kurt Weill's music written in Berlin classed as German, but the stuff he wrote in Holywood American. My head hurts now.....I'mm off.....church or nation team or tribe..its just a borderline... Gordon..... from Scotland...essentially of Celtic origin...but what does that mean.Vikings and Spanish influences, French and Italian.STOP ALREADY. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:24:57 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: American Record Buying Public, NJC > Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. > Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. > Don't know whether the statistics are true, but I wouldn't be surprised. When I was living in L.A, the "center of the universe" as they often refer to, I used to spend quite a bit of time listening to radio and visiting record shops. I must say I really didn't discover any new artists. Ironically, it was only during my vacations to France that my buddies there made me discover new music. Also, in L.A one could see major jazz artists (e.g. Mc Coy Tyner) in small clubs/restaurants. In Paris the same artists draw big crowds! It's nice for the jazz afficionados in L.A. but for the artists it must be hard to play in front of only 50 people every night. On the other hand, US rock bands that fill stadiums in the U.S. (ZZ Top, Yes) fill medium size venues in France. Laurent - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:00:56 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Joni Rarities Does anyone have any information about the following : 'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc I found this reference in a listing for record shop advertised in an english music magazine. Tried to buy it over the phone but it had already been sold. thanks Les (London) - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:05:49 -0400 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Sentence construction A lister wrote: "The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: "We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age- " Actually, this line should have said "We now look like our mothers did when we were those kids age". The sentence structure is confusing at first. However, that IS my favorite song on WTRF! Dave. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:09:54 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' I just glanced over this section this morning and it looks great!!!! I can't wait to take some time and read everything. Thanks Bob and Lori for doing this! Kerry Les wrote: Joniphiles - I'm pleased to announce that the long-awaited "Joni in Fiction" section is now up and running! Bob Murphy has done a great job of researching the information and has spent many hours readying the section for the website. Thanks for all your hard work, Bob. I'm looking forward to watching the section continue to grow. Take a look: http://www.jmdl.com/fiction Lori Fye is also helping Bob with the technical aspects of the section. Thanks to you both! Les - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:15:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Rarities <<'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc>> You sure it was '1994', Les? I thought I had all the cd promo's but have no record of one from '94. There was a Morrisey interview promo from '96 called "Words & Music". Bob NP: The Police, "Landlord" - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:16:55 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Pat Benatar NJC Jerry wrote: >Pat is our headliner for our Tampa Bay Pride fest this year. That sounds like so much fun. We seem to only have "one hit wonders" every year, like CeCe Peniston. Everyone just kind of tolerates all the bad warm up songs and then goes wild when they hear the hit. It's pathetic! Kerry - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:36:05 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sentence construction/Chinese Cafe > Or even, "Now we look like our mothers did, when we were those kids' age", BUT I think Joni's lyrical structure here is intentional, to set it up as a conversation between her and Carol. And when you're conversing, as opposed to writing verse, you're prone to swap words around like that. (Plus, she had to make it so the syllables would scan properly. Chinese Cafe IS of course a brilliant song. I feel like stylistically & thematically, it's a follow-up to "Harry's House/Centerpiece" as it traces one's earlier fantasies of life, connected to a pop song of the day, and contrasts that with the harder reality on the present. Bob NP: The Police, "Deathwish" - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:34:54 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: The american record buying public NJC I've lived in Europe a couple of times, which of course doesn't make me an expert, but I did make a few observations about the music of different countries. When I first moved to the U.K. I refered to their dance music as "repetitive crap". A year later, that techno sound had grown on me, and I actually prefered it to a lot of the American pop/dance music, which is a big part R&B and rap. I bought quite a few compilation discs of Euro pop and danced to it at dance clubs, finding the sound refreshing and proof that there is great music out there that Americans just aren't exposed to. That's the problem right there. America is so big and so bent on the money-making side of it, very few hits from other countries make it over the Atlantic because they don't have the financial backing to bring it here. So we're stuck with our own brand of dance music which is mainly geared towards R&B junkies, when there's a whole world of good dance music out there that is being overlooked by us. But what can you do? My brother tried to hook his computer up to the british airwaves to listen to what was new there, but after awhile you get caught up in life here and what's on our radios, and soon you're out of touch again with the rest of the world. Sometimes I wish America would bring some of the foreign shows over here just for fun, regardless of ratings, like the European music awards or Top of the Pops, just so our culture can realize that there's alot of great music out there worth buying besides that which has the biggest money bags to back it. Abby - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:38 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: The american record buying public and music from other countries NJC There are two things which I find questionable with a statistic like that. First, as Gordon pointed out, what does American mean? Second, what are the basis of the numbers - Soundscan, the RIAA? Latin music makes up around 5% of the U.S. music market according to available documentation (which means that a large portion which gets sold in non-music retail, like swap meets is probably not counted). And 50% of that is regional Mexican music. Factor in the big catalog sellers like Pink Floyd, The Beatles, U2 and others and you can easily eclipse 3%. But if American means both continents, North and South, then on any given year when the trend is away from U.K. bands, then 97% might be true. If the numbers are from Soundscan or the RIAA then that would present a different problem. Outside of big global artists like Enya, Celine Dion, U2 and newcomer Shakira (yuck.....did anyone see the travesty that was her performance on Divas Las Vegas? I wanted to rip my own skin off...anyway....) lots of music from other countries is released on independents. World music sellers (like Green Linnet, Triloka, Putamayo) are independents (few are RIAA members, most are not) and they do a significant portion of their business in mail order. In any case, the U.S. is not that different from the rest of the world in this regard. Domestic music makes up the bulk of the market in most countries (particularly in Asia where the percentages are the highest). Globally local music makes up 70% of the market. On this issue of bringing in music from other countries, my experience has been that it is by far easier to get a release for a record from another country in the U.S. than to export U.S. acts that are not big sellers. (One caveat is that the singing has to be English or Spanish. I had success with two French projects but they were definitely exceptions.) Because the U.S. market is the largest in the world, you can often find an audience for something and sell records even though it won't make it on any chart. It was specifically my job for three years and "imports" outweighed "exports" by about 4 to 1. I'll end this tome by saying that I think there has never been a better time for finding new music. Turn off the radio (or turn it to the lower end of the dial) and get on the internet. At any given point in the day, I can find shows from London, Tokyo, Prague, Amsterdam, Bombay, you name it. A cheap kit from Radio Shack and your computer stream will play from any FM radio in your house. The Brits and the World Music awards are broadcast in the U.S. every year. If you want to see Top of the Pops or Later with Jools Holland, bug your cable company to get BBC America. Options are out there if you want them. The truth is that few people do. Brenda - - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:20:01 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: The American record buying public Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:18:52 -0400 From: Engwall57 To: Chorando6 CC: joni@smoe.com Subject: Re: The American record buying public Message-ID: <05A73C2C.369B90A6.023DCF96@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In a message dated Mon, 27 May 2002 12:11:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chorando6@aol.com writes: >Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. >Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. > And of that 97%, about 75% of it sucks. I guess Joni's CDs would be counted as American, since they are made here. Anyway, I agree, we are way too provincial here in the U.S. We need to start listening to what the rest of the world has to say. As Marley said, "One world, one love, let's get together and we'll feel all right." Ruthi - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: The American record buying public (vljc) - - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Chorando6@aol.com writes: > > << Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) > purchased in the states is > American. > Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the > world. >> > > Yes, but then again it could be argued that > "American" music *is* the music > of the entire world. American music has influences > from everywhere, whereas > much of the music from "the rest of the world" is > the product of cultures > with far less outside influence. > > I don't think this figure means that the entire US > is listening solely to > Britney and the boy bands. > > --Bob hey all. this isn't really a "reply" technically. i am fascinated by this thread and wanted to use to subject heading. it has always amazed me how few of the music listening public reads liner notes to find out where music is from, or where the artists are from. it's gotten to where a label like "real world", which has a clear code as to who is from where has almost stopped shipping all of it releases to us here in america. peter gabriel's new release is an example, though it will be released here later, after its initial release elsewhere. "ovo" was never imported to us. world music - you know the stuff, drums and percussion or vocalization based music is the origin, but when an artist like joni writes and releases "dreamland" it is hailed as a rare departure from all other music by critics. i also find it oddly facscinating that americans take such pride in the fact that our country is the birthplace of 'the blues'. 'the blues' stemmed from heartache and pain and loss. what's to be proud of? have an awesome day - christopher Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: calling Bree (njc) Sorry for the interruption. Bree, I forgot to copy the info. I have the address, but not the name (how dumb is that?) So I have the CD all ready for you, if you'd just be so kind to send me the info again. lots of love Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:50:37 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: Re: British Columbia songs hi bob wrote: >"Magdalene Laundries" describes how she wrote the music on the BC coast (I >know you've heard the story...) Anyway, one of the points of the story was >that (like FTR) writing in BC & surrounded by its beauty inspired a >beautiful >melody which turned dark only when she saw the headline about the Magdalene >Laundries in the news while grocery shopping. & bree replied >>>>>Yeah, she describes writing/her inspiration for ML.. too, in that MuchMusic interview. Her caretaker suggested that she try writing in the day light hours for a change, nightowl that she is. So she sat out on a rock,gulls were swooping, sun was shining.....and the rest, as they say, is history. Banquet..... obviously. What else?<<<<<<<<< the part of that story that really got to me was the part where she talks about tuning her guitar to the day... ron np - michelle shocked - forgive to forget - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:13:10 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: RE Sonny Landreth Hi >>>>Michael Paz Wrote >>>>I saw Sonny recently during Jazz Fest at a club called Rock and Bowl with Julius and my friend Stasia from the Ryan Adams list. It was one hell of a smoking set. He is such a fine player and a real nice guy to boot.<<<< i should have guessed you would have known him. i got a copy of a radio show (e-town) he did with michelle shocked & was blown away. i picked up "south of i-10" which is really really good. during the radio interview he talked about some strange tuning system he has, apparently with servo motors attached to each string, mounted in a les === message truncated === Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Nnamani Ugu Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #231 The issue of marketing music in America caught my attention. And I wander whether the pattern of American music lovers not patronising music from other countries is not typical of American lifestyle. Everything must be American standard or no deal. I feel the people should try out music from elsewhere for a change and better understanding of those cultures and lifestyle. Ugu Nnamani JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 231 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Thanks, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni Look a like, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] How can you tell an American? (njc) [Gordon Mackie American Record Buying Public, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" Joni Rarities [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Sentence construction [Dave Cuneo ] 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' ["kerry" Re: Joni Rarities [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Pat Benatar NJC ["kerry" ] Re: Sentence construction/Chinese Cafe [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The american record buying public NJC [Abbymusique@aol.com] Re: The american record buying public and music from other countries NJC ["Brenda" Fwd: Re: The American record buying public [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: The American record buying public (vljc) [christopher blake calling Bree (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: British Columbia songs ["flopit" ] RE Sonny Landreth ["flopit" ] Re: The American record buying public (vljc) [Randy Remote the mysteries unwind themselves...NJC [Ricw1217@aol.com] W32 Klez virus alert [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: W32 Klez virus alert [Gerald Notaro ] Blonde in the Bleachers ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Gary Zack ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Randy Remote ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #230 - media/public image of Joni [BRYAN8847@aol.co] RE: 9/11 tribute on hbo njc ["Kate Bennett" ] KINGS WIN!!!!!!!!!NJC ["gene mock" ] My Joni ["brian symes" ] Cartoon Coasters ["brian symes" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:30:26 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Thanks, NJC Since I live in a touristy part of Paris, my wife and I came across a tour bus of VETS who came for the 50th anniversary of D day. We were dismayed that nobody seemed to pay any attention to them whatsoever. So we spontaneaously came forward and started thanking them, which is the very least we could do. They took us on their bus and told us stories. One VET gave me a dollar bill as a souvenir! Very moving and sweet. I accepted since I didn't want to insult him. Laurent - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:50:15 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Look a like, NJC I'll get personal here. One day in L.A. when I was single I met this French woman who worked in a clothing store. She was a you know who look a-like, and she didn't know it. I am sure most of you would have jumped at the occasion to satisfy a fantasy. So, to make a long story short, she moved in with me shortly afterwards. Then I realized she was not a nice person. In the meantime she came across the WTRF songbook and when she saw the pictures that looked exactly like her she understood my motives. So, as things deteriorated I wanted her out of my appartment and she wouldn't leave. But she eventually did, which is to show you one can't judge a book by its cover. Laurent - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:31:41 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: How can you tell an American? (njc) Chorando6@aol.com wrote Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. For those who are not into Kurt Weill, the title of the post is a song from 'Lady in the Dark, one of his musical theatre pieces. I wonder what the poll quoted means in terms of 'American'?. Do you think this refers to American artists? Recorded in America. North America only? Discuss. Bob feels American music is influenced by all other cultures. What is American music? Can we be selective and say it is one thing and not another. ie. yes to Gershwin (or should that be Gershowitz) but not Britney. Hmm I'm a thinkin'. Was Kurt Weill's music written in Berlin classed as German, but the stuff he wrote in Holywood American. My head hurts now.....I'mm off.....church or nation team or tribe..its just a borderline... Gordon..... from Scotland...essentially of Celtic origin...but what does that mean.Vikings and Spanish influences, French and Italian.STOP ALREADY. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:24:57 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: American Record Buying Public, NJC > Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. > Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. > Don't know whether the statistics are true, but I wouldn't be surprised. When I was living in L.A, the "center of the universe" as they often refer to, I used to spend quite a bit of time listening to radio and visiting record shops. I must say I really didn't discover any new artists. Ironically, it was only during my vacations to France that my buddies there made me discover new music. Also, in L.A one could see major jazz artists (e.g. Mc Coy Tyner) in small clubs/restaurants. In Paris the same artists draw big crowds! It's nice for the jazz afficionados in L.A. but for the artists it must be hard to play in front of only 50 people every night. On the other hand, US rock bands that fill stadiums in the U.S. (ZZ Top, Yes) fill medium size venues in France. Laurent - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:00:56 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Joni Rarities Does anyone have any information about the following : 'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc I found this reference in a listing for record shop advertised in an english music magazine. Tried to buy it over the phone but it had already been sold. thanks Les (London) - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:05:49 -0400 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Sentence construction A lister wrote: "The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: "We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age- " Actually, this line should have said "We now look like our mothers did when we were those kids age". The sentence structure is confusing at first. However, that IS my favorite song on WTRF! Dave. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:09:54 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' I just glanced over this section this morning and it looks great!!!! I can't wait to take some time and read everything. Thanks Bob and Lori for doing this! Kerry Les wrote: Joniphiles - I'm pleased to announce that the long-awaited "Joni in Fiction" section is now up and running! Bob Murphy has done a great job of researching the information and has spent many hours readying the section for the website. Thanks for all your hard work, Bob. I'm looking forward to watching the section continue to grow. Take a look: http://www.jmdl.com/fiction Lori Fye is also helping Bob with the technical aspects of the section. Thanks to you both! Les - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:15:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Rarities <<'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc>> You sure it was '1994', Les? I thought I had all the cd promo's but have no record of one from '94. There was a Morrisey interview promo from '96 called "Words & Music". Bob NP: The Police, "Landlord" - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:16:55 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Pat Benatar NJC Jerry wrote: >Pat is our headliner for our Tampa Bay Pride fest this year. That sounds like so much fun. We seem to only have "one hit wonders" every year, like CeCe Peniston. Everyone just kind of tolerates all the bad warm up songs and then goes wild when they hear the hit. It's pathetic! Kerry - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:36:05 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sentence construction/Chinese Cafe > Or even, "Now we look like our mothers did, when we were those kids' age", BUT I think Joni's lyrical structure here is intentional, to set it up as a conversation between her and Carol. And when you're conversing, as opposed to writing verse, you're prone to swap words around like that. (Plus, she had to make it so the syllables would scan properly. Chinese Cafe IS of course a brilliant song. I feel like stylistically & thematically, it's a follow-up to "Harry's House/Centerpiece" as it traces one's earlier fantasies of life, connected to a pop song of the day, and contrasts that with the harder reality on the present. Bob NP: The Police, "Deathwish" - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:34:54 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: The american record buying public NJC I've lived in Europe a couple of times, which of course doesn't make me an expert, but I did make a few observations about the music of different countries. When I first moved to the U.K. I refered to their dance music as "repetitive crap". A year later, that techno sound had grown on me, and I actually prefered it to a lot of the American pop/dance music, which is a big part R&B and rap. I bought quite a few compilation discs of Euro pop and danced to it at dance clubs, finding the sound refreshing and proof that there is great music out there that Americans just aren't exposed to. That's the problem right there. America is so big and so bent on the money-making side of it, very few hits from other countries make it over the Atlantic because they don't have the financial backing to bring it here. So we're stuck with our own brand of dance music which is mainly geared towards R&B junkies, when there's a whole world of good dance music out there that is being overlooked by us. But what can you do? My brother tried to hook his computer up to the british airwaves to listen to what was new there, but after awhile you get caught up in life here and what's on our radios, and soon you're out of touch again with the rest of the world. Sometimes I wish America would bring some of the foreign shows over here just for fun, regardless of ratings, like the European music awards or Top of the Pops, just so our culture can realize that there's alot of great music out there worth buying besides that which has the biggest money bags to back it. Abby - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:38 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: The american record buying public and music from other countries NJC There are two things which I find questionable with a statistic like that. First, as Gordon pointed out, what does American mean? Second, what are the basis of the numbers - Soundscan, the RIAA? Latin music makes up around 5% of the U.S. music market according to available documentation (which means that a large portion which gets sold in non-music retail, like swap meets is probably not counted). And 50% of that is regional Mexican music. Factor in the big catalog sellers like Pink Floyd, The Beatles, U2 and others and you can easily eclipse 3%. But if American means both continents, North and South, then on any given year when the trend is away from U.K. bands, then 97% might be true. If the numbers are from Soundscan or the RIAA then that would present a different problem. Outside of big global artists like Enya, Celine Dion, U2 and newcomer Shakira (yuck.....did anyone see the travesty that was her performance on Divas Las Vegas? I wanted to rip my own skin off...anyway....) lots of music from other countries is released on independents. World music sellers (like Green Linnet, Triloka, Putamayo) are independents (few are RIAA members, most are not) and they do a significant portion of their business in mail order. In any case, the U.S. is not that different from the rest of the world in this regard. Domestic music makes up the bulk of the market in most countries (particularly in Asia where the percentages are the highest). Globally local music makes up 70% of the market. On this issue of bringing in music from other countries, my experience has been that it is by far easier to get a release for a record from another country in the U.S. than to export U.S. acts that are not big sellers. (One caveat is that the singing has to be English or Spanish. I had success with two French projects but they were definitely exceptions.) Because the U.S. market is the largest in the world, you can often find an audience for something and sell records even though it won't make it on any chart. It was specifically my job for three years and "imports" outweighed "exports" by about 4 to 1. I'll end this tome by saying that I think there has never been a better time for finding new music. Turn off the radio (or turn it to the lower end of the dial) and get on the internet. At any given point in the day, I can find shows from London, Tokyo, Prague, Amsterdam, Bombay, you name it. A cheap kit from Radio Shack and your computer stream will play from any FM radio in your house. The Brits and the World Music awards are broadcast in the U.S. every year. If you want to see Top of the Pops or Later with Jools Holland, bug your cable company to get BBC America. Options are out there if you want them. The truth is that few people do. Brenda - - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:20:01 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: The American record buying public Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:18:52 -0400 From: Engwall57 To: Chorando6 CC: joni@smoe.com Subject: Re: The American record buying public Message-ID: <05A73C2C.369B90A6.023DCF96@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In a message dated Mon, 27 May 2002 12:11:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chorando6@aol.com writes: >Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. >Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. > And of that 97%, about 75% of it sucks. I guess Joni's CDs would be counted as American, since they are made here. Anyway, I agree, we are way too provincial here in the U.S. We need to start listening to what the rest of the world has to say. As Marley said, "One world, one love, let's get together and we'll feel all right." Ruthi - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: The American record buying public (vljc) - - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Chorando6@aol.com writes: > > << Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) > purchased in the states is > American. > Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the > world. >> > > Yes, but then again it could be argued that > "American" music *is* the music > of the entire world. American music has influences > from everywhere, whereas > much of the music from "the rest of the world" is > the product of cultures > with far less outside influence. > > I don't think this figure means that the entire US > is listening solely to > Britney and the boy bands. > > --Bob hey all. this isn't really a "reply" technically. i am fascinated by this thread and wanted to use to subject heading. it has always amazed me how few of the music listening public reads liner notes to find out where music is from, or where the artists are from. it's gotten to where a label like "real world", which has a clear code as to who is from where has almost stopped shipping all of it releases to us here in america. peter gabriel's new release is an example, though it will be released here later, after its initial release elsewhere. "ovo" was never imported to us. world music - you know the stuff, drums and percussion or vocalization based music is the origin, but when an artist like joni writes and releases "dreamland" it is hailed as a rare departure from all other music by critics. i also find it oddly facscinating that americans take such pride in the fact that our country is the birthplace of 'the blues'. 'the blues' stemmed from heartache and pain and loss. what's to be proud of? have an awesome day - christopher Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: calling Bree (njc) Sorry for the interruption. Bree, I forgot to copy the info. I have the address, but not the name (how dumb is that?) So I have the CD all ready for you, if you'd just be so kind to send me the info again. lots of love Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:50:37 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: Re: British Columbia songs hi bob wrote: >"Magdalene Laundries" describes how she wrote the music on the BC coast (I >know you've heard the story...) Anyway, one of the points of the story was >that (like FTR) writing in BC & surrounded by its beauty inspired a >beautiful >melody which turned dark only when she saw the headline about the Magdalene >Laundries in the news while grocery shopping. & bree replied >>>>>Yeah, she describes writing/her inspiration for ML.. too, in that MuchMusic interview. Her caretaker suggested that she try writing in the day light hours for a change, nightowl that she is. So she sat out on a rock,gulls were swooping, sun was shining.....and the rest, as they say, is history. Banquet..... obviously. What else?<<<<<<<<< the part of that story that really got to me was the part where she talks about tuning her guitar to the day... ron np - michelle shocked - forgive to forget - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:13:10 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: RE Sonny Landreth Hi >>>>Michael Paz Wrote >>>>I saw Sonny recently during Jazz Fest at a club called Rock and Bowl with Julius and my friend Stasia from the Ryan Adams list. It was one hell of a smoking set. He is such a fine player and a real nice guy to boot.<<<< i should have guessed you would have known him. i got a copy of a radio show (e-town) he did with michelle shocked & was blown away. i picked up "south of i-10" which is really really good. during the radio interview he talked about some strange tuning system he has, apparently with servo motors attached to each string, mounted in a les === message truncated === Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:09:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Blonde in the Bleachers Have to agree with Kakki...If you can believe what you read, I remember reading that JT's philandering ways (& hanging out with that rascal Jimmy Buffett) led to his breakup with Carly so its the same old pattern. Nash, on the other hand has been married to his wife Susan for eons & appears to me to be very much a one woman kind of guy... I used to think that taping her regrets to the microphone stand meant that she left him a goodbye note (as in sending regrets to a party that you can't attend)...but now I think it might be her song list...with songs of regret, etc. Time to go listen again to FTR! >>>This was the first I'd heard of him cheating on her with others besides Carly. The bios I've read about CSNY have Nash saying only that his absences on the road contributed to the break-up and that he regretted not being more sensitive to her feeling a bit left out. Somehow I cannot see Nash cheating on her but who knows.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:19:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Americans and music (njc) Hi Ugu, I don't know - there's a lot to counter that assumption. My favorite music growing up was the Beatles, Yardbirds, the Hollies, the various bands of Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin, all the Canadian folksingers, including Gordon Lightfoot, Buffy Sainte Marie and Joni (in her first incarnation), none of whom were U.S. artists. My favorite music in the world since I was 15 has been from Brazil. I think Americans who love music are very open and embracing of musicians and music from other countries. Kakki > The issue of marketing music in America caught my attention. And I wander whether the pattern of American music lovers not patronising music from other countries is not typical of American lifestyle. Everything must be American standard or no deal. I feel the people should try out music from elsewhere for a change and better understanding of those cultures and lifestyle. > Ugu Nnamani ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:03:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers Erica, Mmmmmm. Yes. Agreed. I too think this is a wonderful line. As you say it works on at least two levels. First, it's extremely visual, cinematic. I picture some pensive chick singer bravely mounting a tiny stage in a coffeehouse, preparing a cathartic session in front of an audience. Then, the words also work as a metaphor for collecting your doubts and figuring out what the heck comes next. For me, Joni' words often have an ablity to be descriptive and metaphorical at the same time. npimh: "Who knows how long I've loved you? Do you know I love you still? Will I live a lonely lifetime? If you want me to, I will." Sir Paul McCartney Erica said: >>>One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her regrets as sorrowful inspiration. >>>> All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:13:27 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: JT content: "Still my head looks for a change from time to time", njc JT a long time ago: "Leave behind what you can. You can always return." JT more recently: "I've had fun and I've had my way and I've had my chance to run free." Just a nettle that's been sticking in my clothes for a few weeks, Lama ps, "Things may always stay the way they are still my head looks for a change from time to time I don't really need to look that far. Turn on some music. Play on the MUSIC. Let the music be there too. Never know what to do but let's just let that music be there too. no, no, no, now baby. Naw." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:17:56 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #155 I never got the sense that The Blonde in the Bleachers was Joni. Just an observation of the music business and the "stars." I definitely heard the empathy, perhaps the sisterhood, but not that she was the one flipping her hair. One of those Joni female observations (i.e., danced with the lady with the hole in her stocking). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:55:16 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: concerts in Paris, NJC For those of you who want to combine a tourist trip with some good music, here are some upcoming concerts at the New Morning, which is a small club with seats: 6/27: Otis Grand (blues) 7/6: Bob Weir 7/12: Tuck & Patti 7/27: Taj Mahal 7/31: Lucky Peterson Also there's a free concert in the park on 7/6 by Dave Holland/John Scoffield. See ya there. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers > I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", I always assumed it meant that she tapes a sheet of paper with lyrics on it for the song she's recording (probably because the song is so new she isn't always sure of the words). I used to tape such a sheet of paper to the mic stand in the studio all the time - and I STILL got lines wrong :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:17:13 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Blonde in the Bleachers > I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", ...for me this line was always just a straight and apt metaphor for Joni's tendency to turn her experience into a song lyric. I've never fully bought, for her earlier work anyway, that Joni did not sing from her own experiences. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:30:01 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Sentence construction I am glad you bought this up, Dave. Chinese Cafe is my favorite song on WTRF also. The sentence structure is sort of clumsy ... but it works! This line from Chinese Cafe pops into my head all too often as I experience the passing of time. Watching me, watching my mother, watching my daughter be a mother. It is a very poignant line for me. Then, again, this is the lovely talent of Joni ... writing poignant lines that one cannot get out of their head. I think Joni is a master at handling the passing of time with her lyrics. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cuneo Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:06 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Sentence construction A lister wrote: "The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: "We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age- " Actually, this line should have said "We now look like our mothers did when we were those kids age". The sentence structure is confusing at first. However, that IS my favorite song on WTRF! Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:48:06 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Rarities <> Thanks for the verification, John...that pretty much confirms that what Les was looking at was the Morrisey disc. NOW if we could only find Morrisey's recording of "Hejira"! Bob NP: Possum Dixon, "Nerves" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:00:46 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' Kerry writes: << I just glanced over this section this morning and it looks great!!!! >> Thanks, Kerry! In January, when I first suggested creating a section of the JMDL for Joni references in novels, I thought it would just be a list of 5 or 10 books. Then JMDLers suggested that we also include films, poetry, plays and TV shows, so now there are 60 entries with more coming in all the time, thanks to alert JMDLers! And Joni in Fiction is so much more than just a list, thanks to Les Irvin and Lori Fye. You can actually click on book and movie graphics to order them from Amazon, and you can click on the movie titles to get more info about individual films from the Internet Movie Database. I'd like to thank Les for giving me the opportunity to make Joni in Fiction happen. Poor Les. He couldn't have found a more tech-challenged person to take on this job! Luckily, Lori Fye stepped in to save the day. Thanks, Lori! You've been a godsend! If I even began to try to thank all the JMDLers who have helped out by letting me know about Joni mentions they've come across, I'd be rambling on longer than an Academy Award winner (And I'd also like to thank God and my attorneys . . ."). Thank you all. And please let me know if I've screwed up your credits in any way. So if you haven't seen the new Joni in Fiction feature yet, check it out. I think you'll be intrigued at the ways some of the best (and worst!) writers and directors of our time have used Joni in their work. << http://www.jmdl.com/fiction >> And to those who have sent new Joni references and corrections since yesterday -- I'm working on it, I'm working on it! --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #232 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?