From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #231 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 231 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Thanks, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni Look a like, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] How can you tell an American? (njc) [Gordon Mackie ] 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' ["kerry" ] Re: Sentence construction/Chinese Cafe [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The american record buying public NJC [Abbymusique@aol.com] Re: The american record buying public and music from other countries NJC ["Brenda" ] RE Sonny Landreth ["flopit" ] Re: The American record buying public (vljc) [Randy Remote ] Blonde in the Bleachers ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Gary Zack ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Randy Remote ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #230 - media/public image of Joni [BRYAN8847@aol.co] RE: 9/11 tribute on hbo njc ["Kate Bennett" ] KINGS WIN!!!!!!!!!NJC ["gene mock" ] My Joni ["brian symes" ] Cartoon Coasters ["brian symes" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:30:26 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Thanks, NJC Since I live in a touristy part of Paris, my wife and I came across a tour bus of VETS who came for the 50th anniversary of D day. We were dismayed that nobody seemed to pay any attention to them whatsoever. So we spontaneaously came forward and started thanking them, which is the very least we could do. They took us on their bus and told us stories. One VET gave me a dollar bill as a souvenir! Very moving and sweet. I accepted since I didn't want to insult him. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:50:15 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Look a like, NJC I'll get personal here. One day in L.A. when I was single I met this French woman who worked in a clothing store. She was a you know who look a-like, and she didn't know it. I am sure most of you would have jumped at the occasion to satisfy a fantasy. So, to make a long story short, she moved in with me shortly afterwards. Then I realized she was not a nice person. In the meantime she came across the WTRF songbook and when she saw the pictures that looked exactly like her she understood my motives. So, as things deteriorated I wanted her out of my appartment and she wouldn't leave. But she eventually did, which is to show you one can't judge a book by its cover. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:31:41 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: How can you tell an American? (njc) Chorando6@aol.com wrote Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. For those who are not into Kurt Weill, the title of the post is a song from 'Lady in the Dark, one of his musical theatre pieces. I wonder what the poll quoted means in terms of 'American'?. Do you think this refers to American artists? Recorded in America. North America only? Discuss. Bob feels American music is influenced by all other cultures. What is American music? Can we be selective and say it is one thing and not another. ie. yes to Gershwin (or should that be Gershowitz) but not Britney. Hmm I'm a thinkin'. Was Kurt Weill's music written in Berlin classed as German, but the stuff he wrote in Holywood American. My head hurts now.....I'mm off.....church or nation team or tribe..its just a borderline... Gordon..... from Scotland...essentially of Celtic origin...but what does that mean.Vikings and Spanish influences, French and Italian.STOP ALREADY. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:24:57 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: American Record Buying Public, NJC > Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. > Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. > Don't know whether the statistics are true, but I wouldn't be surprised. When I was living in L.A, the "center of the universe" as they often refer to, I used to spend quite a bit of time listening to radio and visiting record shops. I must say I really didn't discover any new artists. Ironically, it was only during my vacations to France that my buddies there made me discover new music. Also, in L.A one could see major jazz artists (e.g. Mc Coy Tyner) in small clubs/restaurants. In Paris the same artists draw big crowds! It's nice for the jazz afficionados in L.A. but for the artists it must be hard to play in front of only 50 people every night. On the other hand, US rock bands that fill stadiums in the U.S. (ZZ Top, Yes) fill medium size venues in France. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:00:56 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Joni Rarities Does anyone have any information about the following : 'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc I found this reference in a listing for record shop advertised in an english music magazine. Tried to buy it over the phone but it had already been sold. thanks Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:05:49 -0400 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Sentence construction A lister wrote: "The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: "We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age- " Actually, this line should have said "We now look like our mothers did when we were those kids age". The sentence structure is confusing at first. However, that IS my favorite song on WTRF! Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:09:54 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' I just glanced over this section this morning and it looks great!!!! I can't wait to take some time and read everything. Thanks Bob and Lori for doing this! Kerry Les wrote: Joniphiles - I'm pleased to announce that the long-awaited "Joni in Fiction" section is now up and running! Bob Murphy has done a great job of researching the information and has spent many hours readying the section for the website. Thanks for all your hard work, Bob. I'm looking forward to watching the section continue to grow. Take a look: http://www.jmdl.com/fiction Lori Fye is also helping Bob with the technical aspects of the section. Thanks to you both! Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:15:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Rarities <<'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc>> You sure it was '1994', Les? I thought I had all the cd promo's but have no record of one from '94. There was a Morrisey interview promo from '96 called "Words & Music". Bob NP: The Police, "Landlord" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:16:55 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Pat Benatar NJC Jerry wrote: >Pat is our headliner for our Tampa Bay Pride fest this year. That sounds like so much fun. We seem to only have "one hit wonders" every year, like CeCe Peniston. Everyone just kind of tolerates all the bad warm up songs and then goes wild when they hear the hit. It's pathetic! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:36:05 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sentence construction/Chinese Cafe <> Or even, "Now we look like our mothers did, when we were those kids' age", BUT I think Joni's lyrical structure here is intentional, to set it up as a conversation between her and Carol. And when you're conversing, as opposed to writing verse, you're prone to swap words around like that. (Plus, she had to make it so the syllables would scan properly. Chinese Cafe IS of course a brilliant song. I feel like stylistically & thematically, it's a follow-up to "Harry's House/Centerpiece" as it traces one's earlier fantasies of life, connected to a pop song of the day, and contrasts that with the harder reality on the present. Bob NP: The Police, "Deathwish" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:34:54 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: The american record buying public NJC I've lived in Europe a couple of times, which of course doesn't make me an expert, but I did make a few observations about the music of different countries. When I first moved to the U.K. I refered to their dance music as "repetitive crap". A year later, that techno sound had grown on me, and I actually prefered it to a lot of the American pop/dance music, which is a big part R&B and rap. I bought quite a few compilation discs of Euro pop and danced to it at dance clubs, finding the sound refreshing and proof that there is great music out there that Americans just aren't exposed to. That's the problem right there. America is so big and so bent on the money-making side of it, very few hits from other countries make it over the Atlantic because they don't have the financial backing to bring it here. So we're stuck with our own brand of dance music which is mainly geared towards R&B junkies, when there's a whole world of good dance music out there that is being overlooked by us. But what can you do? My brother tried to hook his computer up to the british airwaves to listen to what was new there, but after awhile you get caught up in life here and what's on our radios, and soon you're out of touch again with the rest of the world. Sometimes I wish America would bring some of the foreign shows over here just for fun, regardless of ratings, like the European music awards or Top of the Pops, just so our culture can realize that there's alot of great music out there worth buying besides that which has the biggest money bags to back it. Abby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:38 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: The american record buying public and music from other countries NJC There are two things which I find questionable with a statistic like that. First, as Gordon pointed out, what does American mean? Second, what are the basis of the numbers - Soundscan, the RIAA? Latin music makes up around 5% of the U.S. music market according to available documentation (which means that a large portion which gets sold in non-music retail, like swap meets is probably not counted). And 50% of that is regional Mexican music. Factor in the big catalog sellers like Pink Floyd, The Beatles, U2 and others and you can easily eclipse 3%. But if American means both continents, North and South, then on any given year when the trend is away from U.K. bands, then 97% might be true. If the numbers are from Soundscan or the RIAA then that would present a different problem. Outside of big global artists like Enya, Celine Dion, U2 and newcomer Shakira (yuck.....did anyone see the travesty that was her performance on Divas Las Vegas? I wanted to rip my own skin off...anyway....) lots of music from other countries is released on independents. World music sellers (like Green Linnet, Triloka, Putamayo) are independents (few are RIAA members, most are not) and they do a significant portion of their business in mail order. In any case, the U.S. is not that different from the rest of the world in this regard. Domestic music makes up the bulk of the market in most countries (particularly in Asia where the percentages are the highest). Globally local music makes up 70% of the market. On this issue of bringing in music from other countries, my experience has been that it is by far easier to get a release for a record from another country in the U.S. than to export U.S. acts that are not big sellers. (One caveat is that the singing has to be English or Spanish. I had success with two French projects but they were definitely exceptions.) Because the U.S. market is the largest in the world, you can often find an audience for something and sell records even though it won't make it on any chart. It was specifically my job for three years and "imports" outweighed "exports" by about 4 to 1. I'll end this tome by saying that I think there has never been a better time for finding new music. Turn off the radio (or turn it to the lower end of the dial) and get on the internet. At any given point in the day, I can find shows from London, Tokyo, Prague, Amsterdam, Bombay, you name it. A cheap kit from Radio Shack and your computer stream will play from any FM radio in your house. The Brits and the World Music awards are broadcast in the U.S. every year. If you want to see Top of the Pops or Later with Jools Holland, bug your cable company to get BBC America. Options are out there if you want them. The truth is that few people do. Brenda - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:20:01 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: The American record buying public Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:18:52 -0400 From: Engwall57 To: Chorando6 CC: joni@smoe.com Subject: Re: The American record buying public Message-ID: <05A73C2C.369B90A6.023DCF96@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In a message dated Mon, 27 May 2002 12:11:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chorando6@aol.com writes: >Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. >Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. > And of that 97%, about 75% of it sucks. I guess Joni's CDs would be counted as American, since they are made here. Anyway, I agree, we are way too provincial here in the U.S. We need to start listening to what the rest of the world has to say. As Marley said, "One world, one love, let's get together and we'll feel all right." Ruthi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: The American record buying public (vljc) - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Chorando6@aol.com writes: > > << Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) > purchased in the states is > American. > Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the > world. >> > > Yes, but then again it could be argued that > "American" music *is* the music > of the entire world. American music has influences > from everywhere, whereas > much of the music from "the rest of the world" is > the product of cultures > with far less outside influence. > > I don't think this figure means that the entire US > is listening solely to > Britney and the boy bands. > > --Bob hey all. this isn't really a "reply" technically. i am fascinated by this thread and wanted to use to subject heading. it has always amazed me how few of the music listening public reads liner notes to find out where music is from, or where the artists are from. it's gotten to where a label like "real world", which has a clear code as to who is from where has almost stopped shipping all of it releases to us here in america. peter gabriel's new release is an example, though it will be released here later, after its initial release elsewhere. "ovo" was never imported to us. world music - you know the stuff, drums and percussion or vocalization based music is the origin, but when an artist like joni writes and releases "dreamland" it is hailed as a rare departure from all other music by critics. i also find it oddly facscinating that americans take such pride in the fact that our country is the birthplace of 'the blues'. 'the blues' stemmed from heartache and pain and loss. what's to be proud of? have an awesome day - christopher Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: calling Bree (njc) Sorry for the interruption. Bree, I forgot to copy the info. I have the address, but not the name (how dumb is that?) So I have the CD all ready for you, if you'd just be so kind to send me the info again. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:50:37 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: Re: British Columbia songs hi bob wrote: >"Magdalene Laundries" describes how she wrote the music on the BC coast (I >know you've heard the story...) Anyway, one of the points of the story was >that (like FTR) writing in BC & surrounded by its beauty inspired a >beautiful >melody which turned dark only when she saw the headline about the Magdalene >Laundries in the news while grocery shopping. & bree replied >>>>>Yeah, she describes writing/her inspiration for ML.. too, in that MuchMusic interview. Her caretaker suggested that she try writing in the day light hours for a change, nightowl that she is. So she sat out on a rock,gulls were swooping, sun was shining.....and the rest, as they say, is history. Banquet..... obviously. What else?<<<<<<<<< the part of that story that really got to me was the part where she talks about tuning her guitar to the day... ron np - michelle shocked - forgive to forget ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:13:10 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: RE Sonny Landreth Hi >>>>Michael Paz Wrote >>>>I saw Sonny recently during Jazz Fest at a club called Rock and Bowl with Julius and my friend Stasia from the Ryan Adams list. It was one hell of a smoking set. He is such a fine player and a real nice guy to boot.<<<< i should have guessed you would have known him. i got a copy of a radio show (e-town) he did with michelle shocked & was blown away. i picked up "south of i-10" which is really really good. during the radio interview he talked about some strange tuning system he has, apparently with servo motors attached to each string, mounted in a les paul body, and linked to some kind of processor. sounded quite fascinating - - do you know anything more about this?? ron np - michelle shocked - no wonder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:35:22 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The American record buying public (vljc) christopher blake wrote: > > i also find it oddly facscinating that americans take > such pride in the fact that our country is the > birthplace of 'the blues'. 'the blues' stemmed from > heartache and pain and loss. what's to be proud of? Lots of great art of all kinds has stemmed from heartache, pain, and loss.And like Neil Diamond (that great bluesman) said, "You take the blues and make a song, you sing them out again"....And like BB King or somebody sang, "The blues had a baby and named it rock and roll" . Although what we think of as blues has roots in southern rural America, the pentatonic scale is so basic and universal, you can find it in ethnic music all over the world. I discovered this as a teen when I started playing a blues scale over a Ravi Shankar raga-it fit! America has given the world alot...I think our music, blues and jazz are something to be proud of, certainly more noble than guns, death, and gunboat diplomacy!!! Gumbo diplomacy is better. RR npimh-Everyday I Have The Blues ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:32:24 -0400 From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: the mysteries unwind themselves...NJC greetings listers! i've been meaning to write. it had been my intention to send each of you who so kindly contacted me after judy's death, a personal thank you. but after a month it was fairly clear THAT wasn't going to happen! since then, i've been on myself to at least do this - send a note to all of you via the list, NJC and everything!! the girls and i are muddling along. there's nothing to do but muddle. short of the magic wand, which i can't find, there's no choice. we seem to be getting there. rebecca's graduation is coming. that will be a sad day. then the long, hot summer...we'll just keep muddling. thanks to all of you who wrote, or sent your good wishes via the ever reliable astral plane. delivery was made, and very much appreciated. i copied all of them. they are in a bag, along with all the cards and letters and photos and obituaries, etc, for the girls to read someday, when they're ready..."somewhere ages and ages hence..." they'll matter, i expect, as much to them, then, as they do to me, now. with love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:13:30 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: W32 Klez virus alert sorry for the NJC, but I wanted this reach you all. I've received several emails this morning that had zip file attachments. In the subject line it reads "Here to continue" One of them was sent from my what looked to be my cousins email address, so I thought she was sending me something. Norton picked up on it thank god and I deleted them. Shortly after I received that hahaha Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs. I urge all of you to update your antivirus definitions and scan all your files. Be careful out there... rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:35:42 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: W32 Klez virus alert RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > sorry for the NJC, but I wanted this reach you all. I've received several > emails this morning that had zip file attachments. In the subject line it > reads "Here to continue" One of them was sent from my what looked to be my > cousins email address, so I thought she was sending me something. Norton > picked up on it thank god and I deleted them. Shortly after I received that > hahaha Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs. > I urge all of you to update your antivirus definitions and scan all your > files. Or, get a Mac. Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:46:01 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Blonde in the Bleachers One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her regrets as sorrowful inspiration. I just think it's a wonderful phrase. Any thoughts?? Oh and is this one also about JT? I get a feeling that the first verse of FTR and BITB are about the same person, but that's just me. Take care, Erica NP:Neil Young , Everybody Knows This is Nowhere _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:09:52 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers Hi Erica, I always took the phrase to mean that she scotch tapes her song list (or "songs of regret") to the microphone stand, much like many performers tape their set lists to guitars, pianos, etc. reminding themselves what that they will play that evening. Just my two cents... Best regards, Gary Erica Trudelle wrote: > > One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious > reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some > very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her > regrets as sorrowful inspiration. I just think it's a wonderful phrase. Any > thoughts?? Oh and is this one also about JT? I get a feeling that the first > verse of FTR and BITB are about the same person, but that's just me. > Take care, Erica > NP:Neil Young , Everybody Knows This is Nowhere > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:40:53 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers I think the identity of the character addressing "you" in the lyric changes as the song progresses. she flips her hair for you...you start to fall... she follows you home but you'd miss livin' alone-- the SINGER is addressing a male rock and roller who attracts female groupies (one of them is who follows him home) and the singer says in so many words "I understand why you won't settle down." Later on that same SHE sends him a message on a piece of paper she somehow manages to tape to his mic stand (presumably after a one-night stand that she wishes would go into something more long term--hence the "regrets.") The groupie writes, in her message, "You (meaning "one"--herself or any other smitten fan) "can't hold the hand of a rock 'n' roll man" because there are just too many competing available females out there for him in his travels. Of course "Joni Mitchell" (the persona in many of her songs in the 70s) desired and achieved the independence and freedom to be as promiscuous as any male rock star. But this song indicates that she was still sensitive to the desire for "security" (if that's the right word--maybe it should be "possession") of the other partner in these brief connections. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:54:20 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers Been thinking about this one lately, too. The visual I get is that she scotch tapes a list of her greviences to the mic stand of the guy in the song...this must be before the show-since the rocker will be off to his tour bus or plane afterward.(he's a big enough star to have roadies). So the singer of the song has backstage access. The list of regrets is clear,,,you can't hold the hand/make your plans etc with a rock and roll man....Since so much of the FTR songs are about JT, I wonder if this is the crux of their breakup- his weakness for willing groupies, which is, sigh, the nature of the race....I guess it could easily be about Nash, too. I had previously thought it was kind of an impersonal story about some girl's broken heart over some rocker. Maybe the girl was Joni. RR Erica Trudelle wrote: > One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious > reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some > very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her > regrets as sorrowful inspiration. I just think it's a wonderful phrase. Any > thoughts?? Oh and is this one also about JT? I get a feeling that the first > verse of FTR and BITB are about the same person, but that's just me. > Take care, Erica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:22:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers I think this is Joni's song of regrets about James Taylor (but possibly Nash). I don't think Joni is just another one of the groupies in the song, but rather the girlfriend who can't deal with the groupies any longer. It's Joni who can't count on her plans, compete with the fans, the girls and the band and the rock and roll man. In the JT bio that came out a couple years ago there is quite a bit about the relationship with Joni. It said that Taylor was a bit of a devil-may-care womanizer back then who cheated on her and that she couldn't take it after a point. This was the first I'd heard of him cheating on her with others besides Carly. The bios I've read about CSNY have Nash saying only that his absences on the road contributed to the break-up and that he regretted not being more sensitive to her feeling a bit left out. Somehow I cannot see Nash cheating on her but who knows. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:37:15 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #230 - media/public image of Joni Another pet peave of mine that I know has been mentioned here before is the fact that when they do show Joni clips, it's like she quit making music after recording "Help Me". She's made videos in the eighties and nineties, and has made appearances. Why must we always have this picture in our heads of her strumming her dulcimer to "California" or giggling at the end of "Big Yellow Taxi"? >>I think most of us are equally dismayed by the popular/media portrayal of Joni as "that folksinger," a portrayal that JM has also expressed dismay over. It pretty much makes me sick (though of course I do have other things to think about) when I hear or see that sort of thing. Somehow, around five years ago when all the tribute stuff started, Big Yellow Taxi became Joni's signature song (perhaps because it has been covered so much in recent years). Even during the Grammy Lifetime Achievement award presentation, they chose a clip of an early, folky performance of Both Sides Now. It's even as if the public has forgotten Court & Spark/Help Me and is now permanently associating Joni with Ladies of the Canyon and Blue. Sure, there are worse things to be associated with, but when I think of a typical Mitchell song, I think of a more complex sort of pop music, jazzy and sensual with emphasis on bass and unusual rhythms. But then again, I started listening in 1974-5 rather than stopping then, which it seems is the dominant trend. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:12:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: 9/11 tribute on hbo njc Thanks for sharing your feelings on this subject Debra. I didn't know about or see the French brothers documentary. Having read everyone's accounts of this day, I had a picture in my mind of what it was like but nothing compared to seeing some of that footage. How the ash clouds just raced out so fast towards everything & completely darkened the sky & air everywhere. I can't imagine how terrifying that must have been. And I agree, seeing those people with the photos was devastating, & seeing those still photos of the firemen going up the stairs... I too, was so moved by the mayor's assistant's story. How she was both proud & angry at her husband (for not choosing to come home to her). But knowing that he was doing his job which is why she loved him so. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:02:26 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: KINGS WIN!!!!!!!!!NJC hello guys, this has nothing to do w/ music, politics, sex, goodwill---------but the KINGS JUST BEAT THE FECKING LAKERS!!!!! just one more baby, just one more--------GO KINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:56:12 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: My Joni Recently I bought a Japanese scroll painting of Guan Yin the goddess of Infinite Compassion, Flying above Mt. Fuji and the coast line below with Pine trees that fade out in the coastal Fog. For as long as I can remember Joni has been my Godess of Infinite Emotions. Yesterday When I was out in the Field behind my house a humming bird was buzzing up in a blooming Hawthorn tree. I was immediatly called to stillnes to listen. This is what Joni's voice does to my sensory nerves pulling them tight, pulling them tense over the sound hole of my heart. Brian Symes - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:21:12 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Cartoon Coasters I remember seeing "Adult Cartoons " Coasters/ with Happy Hour Menu's at many Hotel Bars in my "Candide" travels.I can imagine Joni caring felt marks in her purse drawing porraits and writing her next song . As an Architect/poet I have dreamed up many houses that were never built and many love sonnets never sent on the back of these same coasters.I remember when I first played the song of the LP for the very first time, I thought she said Carters Coaster and I thought of the Cigarette brand in Ontario just about everybody over the age of 16 smoked.Cough Brian Symes - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #231 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?