From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #230 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 230 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- thanks NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: thanks NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: thanks NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: (njc)My health -- long and detailed, more than you probably want to know. [RoseMJoy@a] Re: (njc)My health -- long and detailed, more than you probably want to know. [RobSher50@a] Joni Look-a-like [Ken ] open tunings NJC ["James Phillips" ] Re: Joni Look-a-like [Ken ] VH-1 Top 100 Women in Rock--Why am I surprised? [Abbymusique@aol.com] Re: Pat Benatar - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Pat Benatar - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The American record buying public [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: Joni Look-a-like [anne@sandstrom.com] maidstone and sharon [Kate ] Re: The American record buying public (njc) ["Brenda" ] Tom Rush schedule NOTE JUNE 15 date for anyone in the NE area ["Kate Ben] Re: Joni Look-a-like [Ken ] 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction! [Les Irvin ] Willie Nelson & Friends: Stars & Guitars njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] 9/11 tribute on hbo njc ["Kate Bennett" ] BC ["Sherman" ] Re: 9/11 tribute on hbo njc [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:17:17 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: thanks NJC This is for the veterans on this list and everywhere else for that matter: WHAT IS A VET Some veterans bear visible signs of their service: a missing limb, a jagged scar, a certain look in the eye. Others may carry the evidence inside them: a pin holding a bone together, a piece of shrapnel in the leg - or perhaps another sort of inner steel: the soul's ally forged in the refinery of adversity. Except in parades, however, the men and women who have kept America safe wear no badge or emblem. You can't tell a vet just by looking. What is a vet? He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia sweating two gallons a day making sure the armored personnel carriers didn't run out of fuel. He is the barroom loudmouth, dumber than five wooden planks, whose overgrown frat-boy behavior is outweighed a hundred times in the cosmic scales by four hours of exquisite bravery near the 38th parallel. She or he-is the nurse who fought against futility and went to sleep sobbing every night for two solid years in Da Nang. He is the POW who went away one person and came back another-or didn't come back AT ALL. He is the Quantico drill instructor who has never seen combat-but has saved countless lives by turning slouchy, no-account rednecks and gang members into Marines, and teaching them to watch each other's backs. He is the parade-riding Legionnaire who pins on his ribbons and medals with a prosthetic hand. He is the career quartermaster who watches the ribbons and medals pass him by. He is the three anonymous heroes in The Tomb Of The Unknowns, whose presence at the Arlington National Cemetery must forever preserve the memory of all the anonymous heroes whose valor dies unrecognized with them on the battlefield or in the ocean's sunless deep. He is the old guy bagging groceries at the supermarket-palsied now and aggravatingly slow-who helped liberate a Nazi death camp and who wishes all day long that his wife were still alive to hold him when the nightmares come. He is an ordinary and yet an extraordinary human being-a person who offered some of his life's most vital years in the service of his country, and who sacrificed his ambitions so others would not have to sacrifice theirs. He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and he is nothing more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of the finest, greatest nation ever known. So remember, each time you see someone who has served our country, just lean over and say Thank You. That's all most people need, and in most cases it will mean more than any medals they could have been awarded or were awarded. Two little words that mean a lot, "THANK YOU." "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:17:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: thanks NJC Gene, Thanks for posting this. I've been wanting to say something but could not think of words to match what is in my heart. I am so very grateful for those who have served and who are now serving so bravely as our guardians and protectors. To any here on the list, from whatever country you are from - bless you all. Kakki > "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. > It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is > the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to > demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath > the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester > to burn the flag." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 05:35:32 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: thanks NJC Thanks for the reminder. My father was in WW11...Air Force. My older brother, now deceased...the navy, before the escalation in Vietnam. I will remember them and also all the others who served so well... this beautiful country of ours. Bree >Two little words that mean a lot, "THANK YOU." > >"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the >press. >It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is >the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to >demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath >the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester >to burn the flag." > > > >Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:48:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc)My health -- long and detailed, more than you probably want to know. In a message dated 5/26/02 3:52:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BigWaltinSF@aol.com writes: > So, now I'm waiting to hear if they've found a brain yet -- the MRI is more > detailed and newer, so it may be a week before I hear from them. Anyone > who > wants -- I'll keep you posted. > > Wishing you lots of luck Walt. Whatever the hell it is, I hope they can fix it. Looking forward to meeting you at Jonifest. Keep me posted. hugs xxoo, rose Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:21:53 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc)My health -- long and detailed, more than you probably want to know. Dear Walt, I always feel very privileged when someone here shares their pain as well as their joy with the list. I am so glad that you feel like you don't have to go it alone. I'll be thinking very positive thoughts for you as well. I think a lot of us are in the same age bracket, and I am reflecting on how we now discuss our health issues where ten or twenty years, it wouldn't have garnered a second thought. I am in my mid forties and have type 2 diabetes. Even though it is a chronic condition that is difficult for most to accept, what I am trying to do is to embrace my age and my ailments while trying to fight to keep them under control. It's like I really know that many on the list understand where I am coming from, and could probably tell me a story or two. I pray for the strength to look life right in the eye and live it despite the setbacks. I just wish I could have done it in my younger years. So as you go about getting a diagnosis and/or treatment, keep believing that everything is going to turn out all right, and keep fighting to maintain that hunger and thirst for all that life has to offer. I'll keep sending those positive thoughts your way. Love, Sherelle > Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:51:08 EDT > From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com > Subject: (njc)My health -- long and detailed, more than you probably want > to know. > > In a message dated 5/12/02 11:00:17 AM, AsharaJM writes: > > << Thanks, guys. I just found out today that i may have toxoplasmosis in > my > brain, which would explain my walking like a drunk and not being able to > think of words all the time -- or there may be a brain tumor. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:28:28 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Joni Look-a-like I saw a commercial the other night for what looks like a TV movie called Verdict in Blood '02 which is coming on CTV tonight at 9 pm. (Canada) I did a double take when they showed the judge (Sally Kellerman). She looks so much like Joni it's astounding. If you get a chance check it out tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:35:26 +0800 From: "James Phillips" Subject: open tunings NJC dear all, I thought this might be the place to ask this question. I am starting to get back into songwriting again, and am wanting to try a couple of open tunings in my song-writing. I was wondering what the tuning for open Gminor is as well as a few basic chord shapes for that is. I was also wondering about some basic chords in DADGAD tuning. Any help will be much appreciated. James Phillips Urbana IL now playing "Honest Lullaby" by Joan Baez - -- Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:38:01 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Joni Look-a-like Just found a spot with some photos of Sally. http://us.imdb.com/EGallery?source=granitz&group=1193&photo=SallyKellerman_Granitz_184222.jpg&path=pgallery&path_key=Kellerman,+Sally Not every picture there looks like Joni but I think you'll see the resemblance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:49:27 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: VH-1 Top 100 Women in Rock--Why am I surprised? Why am I surprised that Joni was voted number five instead of number one? (Has everyone already discussed this topic? If so, I apologize). Joni has been such an infuence on women in rock, I've always felt that she's number one, but to see her voted FIVE--that was a shock. Bonnie Raitt beat her out at number four--yes, Bonnie is the bomb, but in no way is she better that Joni. I have to admit, after that verdict I lost interest because I was toying with some new recording equipment, but I know Aretha scored higher too, and Janis Joplin. I just don't think anyone will ever get the fact of how legendary Joni really is. Another pet peave of mine that I know has been mentioned here before is the fact that when they do show Joni clips, it's like she quit making music after recording "Help Me". She's made videos in the eighties and nineties, and has made appearances. Why must we always have this picture in our heads of her strumming her dulcimer to "California" or giggling at the end of "Big Yellow Taxi"? Can't these tv baffoons come up with some recent footage too? Or are they so out of it that they think she died young like Janis and Mama Cass? Somebody please enlighten me on why the public has put her out to pasture! Okay, I'm through. This is my last vent on this subject, because maybe those that are truly great don't get the recognition they deserve until they are dead and buried, and I'd rather have Joni alive and kicking than 10 feet under. Hats off, Joni! You're still number one, even if only a select few know it! Abby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:18:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Pat Benatar - njc Pat is our headliner for our Tampa Bay Pride fest this year. J. Michael Paz wrote: > Hello Gang and Happy Memorial Day Weekend- > I am feeling a little odd not having any festivals or any gigs to do > this weekend, but that's a good thing. My body is finally feeling like mine > again. After I dug the debris out of my car (a month of gigs) I realized I > have two copies of a Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo CD called "Summer Vacation > 2001" Live. This was handed out to the guests at the WE (Womens > Entertainment) show that I did with Pat and Neil a few weeks ago. It is a > two CD set and I am sure will be a nice collectors item for any Pat and Neil > fans. I will mail out these two to the first two people who respond with > their mailing addresses. Hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend. > > Love > > Paz > > NP-Madman Across The Water-Govt' Mule Live Orpheum Theater New Orleans > 5-5-01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:34:40 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pat Benatar - njc Pat Benatar's music popped up in Joni's 1983 tour...Joni would introduce "A Case of You" by calling it a 'drinker's boast', like "Hit Me With Your Best Shot". Pat has never done a Joni cover, but she has done one of the worst Beatles covers ever (Helter Skelter). Bob NP: Heart, "Love Hurts" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:11:07 EDT From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: The American record buying public Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Joni Look-a-like This reminds me of another time I SWORE it was Joni in a movie. The film was "The President's Analyst" with James Coburn. The woman who played his girlfriend at the beginning of the movie was a dead ringer for Joni. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:25:29 -0600 From: Kate Subject: maidstone and sharon > Sharon & Joni were childhood friends in Maidstone in > Canada. I drive by Maidstone every time I go from here (just north of Edmonton) to my hometown in Saskatchewan, and of course I always think of Joni and that there should be a huge sign on the highway outside of Maidstone proclaiming "Childhood Home of Joni Mitchell!" One of these times I'm going to stop in and check out that museum Ashara and Sal visited. > the two ended up with careers > in reverse, Sharon settling down on the farm with her family, like the song > says. The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: "We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age" Really, who could phrase it better? - -Kate of the North <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Letter Out is a journal whatnot sent via email whenever I have time and inclination. Receive it automatically by replying to this email with "Subscribe" in the Subject box. To unsubscribe, put "Unsubscribe" in the subject box. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:29:51 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: The American record buying public (njc) On 27 May 2002 at 12:11, Chorando6@aol.com wrote: > Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is > American. Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. Where did you get this statistic? Brenda - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: open tunings NJC > I thought this might be the place to ask this question. I am starting to get back into songwriting again, and am wanting to try a couple of open tunings in my song-writing. I was wondering what the tuning for open Gminor is as well as a few basic chord shapes for that is. I was also wondering about some basic chords in DADGAD tuning. Any help will be much appreciated. Hi James. I don't know what Gm tuning is, but I do play a lot in DADGAD. (Are you familiar with Pierre Bensusan, by any chance? He usually plays in DADGAD - fabulous guitarist...) Anyway, I've found that since playing in open tuinings can allow for so much variety, I don't try to 'translate' from standard tuning to open tunings. One thing that you might find interesting is to try to play chord shapes you know while in an alternate tuning. Move the shape up and down the neck. Take a finger off here, add one there, and see what things sound like. I'd bet anything that's how Joni approaches it. Don't be worried if it's frustrating at first. I remember thinking about DADGAD "You can't play ANYTHING in this tuning!" Well, of course, you can... Good luck and I hope this helps. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Jim 1, virus 0 > > In a message dated 5/26/02 5:02:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > jimjohanson@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > > > And Jim's viral load is, the envelope please... > > > > > > U-N-D-E-T-E-C-T-A-B-L-E !!!!! YIPEEEEE!!!!!!!!! This is fabulous news! Congratulations, Jim. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:55:45 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The American record buying public Chorando6@aol.com writes: << Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. >> Yes, but then again it could be argued that "American" music *is* the music of the entire world. American music has influences from everywhere, whereas much of the music from "the rest of the world" is the product of cultures with far less outside influence. I don't think this figure means that the entire US is listening solely to Britney and the boy bands. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:09:22 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The American record buying public Sorry to the Joni-only people for the lack of a tag on my last post. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: open tunings NJC James asked: >I was wondering what the tuning for open Gminor >is as well as a few basic chord shapes for that is. I was also >wondering about some basic chords in DADGAD tuning. Hi James-- Mary McCaslin has a site on g-minor tuning: http://www.marymccaslin.com/tunings.htm#G She also offers tips on playing, a string diagram, etc. Also, theres a site on DADGAD tunings, including chord shapes: http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/f/p/fpm108/glw/lessons/lesson47.htm And Anne wrote: >I don't know what Gm tuning is, but I do play a lot in >DADGAD. (Are you familiar with Pierre Bensusan, by any >chance? He usually plays in DADGAD - fabulous >guitarist...). . . >Don't be worried if it's frustrating at first. I >remember thinking about DADGAD "You can't play ANYTHING >in this tuning!" Well, of course, you can... IAWA--Bensusan is definitely one to check out! Also, Laurence Juber, who, while not playing exclusivly in DADGAD, is fluent in it. (His latest album, "Different Times," is about 3/4ths in DADGAD, in a range of styles.) Also, be prepared to keep your guitar in DADGAD for a month or two--or a couple of years =8^), just to get used to what's what. But, once you get into it, well, it gets sort of addictive. Best of luck, Denny, changing strings on a Monday afternoon NP: Laura Nyro, "Stoned Soul Picnic" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:08:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Tom Rush schedule NOTE JUNE 15 date for anyone in the NE area doin this w/o njc so all can see...okay, tom brought recognition to joni...there's the joni content: >>Hope to see you down the road! Tom - -------------------- PERFORMANCE SCHEDULE - -------------------- Friday, May 31 - Barnstormer's Theater in Tamworth, NH. (SOLD OUT) Saturday, June 1 - Midsummer Night's Festival, Wakefield, MA. Thursday, June 13 - Iron Horse, Northampton, MA. Friday, June 14 - Cafe Lena, Saratoga, NY. - -----> Saturday, June 15 - Open. Anybody want to hire me for a private party? It's short notice, but ... Sunday, June 16 - Clearwater Festival, Poughkeepsie, NY. Friday, June 28 - Via Montalvo Center for the Arts - Saratoga, CA - Judy Collins' Wildflower Festival w/Judy Collins, Arlo Guthrie & Eric Andersen Saturday, June 29 - Open Sunday, June 30 - Humphrey's, San Diego, CA - Judy Collins' Wildflower Festival w/Judy Collins, Arlo Guthrie & Eric Andersen Tuesday, July 9 - RENEE ASKINS BOOK, "SHADOW MOUNTAIN" RELEASED BY DOUBLEDAY!! Preorder now: [ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385482221/ref=tomrushsingesong ] Saturday, July 13 - Great Auditorium, Ocean Grove, NJ - Judy Collins' Wildflower Festival w/Judy Collins, Tom Paxton & Lucy Kaplansky Maple Hill Productions [tom_rush@lb.bcentral.com]<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:00:48 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Joni Look-a-like When I first fast forwarded through the commercial I was sure it was Joni. Only on the third play through with the sound turned up did I realize my mistake. This is the same woman who played Hot lips Houlihan from the movie Mash. I don't think she looked much like Joni when she was younger now she does. anne@sandstrom.com wrote: >This reminds me of another time I SWORE it was Joni in >a movie. The film was "The President's Analyst" with >James Coburn. The woman who played his girlfriend at >the beginning of the movie was a dead ringer for Joni. > >lots of love >Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:10:16 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction! Joniphiles - I'm pleased to announce that the long-awaited "Joni in Fiction" section is now up and running! Bob Murphy has done a great job of researching the information and has spent many hours readying the section for the website. Thanks for all your hard work, Bob. I'm looking forward to watching the section continue to grow. Take a look: http://www.jmdl.com/fiction Lori Fye is also helping Bob with the technical aspects of the section. Thanks to you both! Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:41:50 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Willie Nelson & Friends: Stars & Guitars njc Quick it began at 9:00 on the USA channel: Taped at Nashville's Ryman Auditorium, the concert transcends musical genres by teaming Nelson with such performers as Keith Richards, Sheryl Crow, Ryan Adams, Hank Williams III, Jon Bon Jovi, Aaron Neville, Dixie Chicks and Ray Price. Crow joins Nelson on Buffalo Springfield's bFor What It's Worthb to kick off the show, which also features Nelson's bOn the Road Again.b Highlights include a crystalline bStardustb with Neville; a bluesy bNight Lifeb with Price; and a steamy take on the Rolling Stones' bDead Flowersb with Richards, Williams and Adams. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:57:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 9/11 tribute on hbo njc did anyone watch this last night? it was incredibly intense & i sobbed through much of it... i thought so much about our dear nyc area jonilisters & how absolutely horrifying that day must have been to have been there in midst of it... some of the footage was (for lack of a better word) amazing... i felt that it succeeded in honoring the many victims of that horrible day, the ones doing their jobs so courageously knowing they would not live through it & the ordinary citizens that were also heroes... just writing this has caused the tears to flow again... i don't know if any of you who were there on 9/11 watched it (don't know if i could have if i'd been there as living through it once is surely enough) but if you did, i wonder how you felt about it... peace, kate ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:21:55 -0400 From: "Sherman" Subject: BC Hi everyone, Just got back from a nice breather on the water in VA, sorry, not in BC! About that piece of heaven up there... thanks for the interest in my post from last year when we were sniffing around up there. What was most striking to me, other than the sheer beauty of the area, was that you have to ferry over to get to the Sunshine Coast. We were there on Canada Day 2001 and there were little girls with big red ribbons in their hair waving Maple Leaf flags waiting, like us for the ferry. As we parked our rental car (belly full of cars) and went up top, I kept thinking that everytime Joni came up from LA she would have waited for one of these ferry boats, just like we were doing. I have some great pictures I can scan to the JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups. Yes, it is an absolutely gorgeous slice of this continent. The funniest part of that trip was me running into that place she talks about in PPWM (knitting story) and inquiring about her. They were very protective and tried to steer me clear of the area not wanting me to get too close and then stopping at the other nearby bar and them telling us down to the KM marker where it was. Yes, Sechelt and Half Moon Cay would be a perfect backdrop for some stunning artistic expression- lots of green water in motion there in that Strait of Georgia (or something like that , I'll have to go look at my pix and video.) My wonderful not-a-fan-of-Joni husband tried so hard to help me locate her place up there, so I could maybe glimpse a part of her, see wehre she wrote those songs. It was sweet and the kids in the back seat were worried that Mom was a stalker. I can safely say they were all relieved when I had my Encounter of the JONI kind in Toronto. Thank goodness they were not there to witness my "melt" down of the century. Thanks for reminding me that I am a die hard Joni fan. When IS that new album coming out? The best, Janine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 01:41:26 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: 9/11 tribute on hbo njc Kate Bennett wrote: > > i don't know if any of you who were there on 9/11 watched it (don't know if > i could have if i'd been there as living through it once is surely enough) > but if you did, i wonder how you felt about it... I wasn't sure I'd be able to watch so I put a tape in just in case. The documentary a few months ago, by the French brothers, was unbearable. Early in that one I loved seeing all the many different types of people in the street, that diversity is one of the things I love so much about New York, but as soon as the smoke cloud filled up the screen I could smell it and literally couldn't breathe anymore and had to leave the room until the show finished. I must have some emotional distance from it all now because I was able to watch most of last night's show, even though I was crying or stunned most of the time. I was transfixed by the helicopter shots and seeing the building I was in get covered by smoke. It was strange to go back and forth between what I was seeing and at the same time feeling I was again on the 20th floor and a co-worker has just looked out the window onto Broadway and said "oh my god look at all those people running!" They were, flat out, like a herd of animals, then the lights flickering, the building shaking and then complete darkness outside those same windows, all within seconds. We'd seen papers flying in the air so knew about the airplanes and fires and a couple of people in the room had walkman radios and were giving us reports, but since we couldn't see the towers from those windows none of us knew exactly what was going on or why all those people were running. And when someone said one of the towers was falling, all I could think was oh my god thousands thousands of people are dying. I can feel myself shaking even now at the horror of it. Seeing the pictures of people covered in all that ash was extremely uncomfortable. That day, even three hours after the towers had fallen and when I started my walk home it was hard to breathe because there was still so much of that ash in the air. It was so finely ground you can't even see it in pictures. I didn't get coated the way people who'd been outside when the towers fell did, but I hated having any of that stuff on me. As soon as I got home every bit of clothing I had on was stripped off and left in a pile by the main door. I couldn't touch it for five days. Couldn't even look at it. I felt like I'd walked through a burial urn and those clothes were contaminated and I was completely violated. Many days later I was able to gingerly lift my jacket and skirt and take them to the cleaners. They knew where I'd been. During the documentary, I did have to leave the room when people were showing photos of their loved ones and describing them and holding out hope that they would be found. That is still unbearably sad to me, especially knowing that thousands of people were looking and telling their stories. Details varied but the story was always the same... I love this person... I want her or him to come home. It wasn't talked about for months, but anyone who'd been down there that day knew that most of those missing people had become part of the ash that was covering the city. In the show when the mayor's assistant talked about grabbing handfuls of ash because it felt like her firefighter husband was in it, I could only think, yes, he probably was, and how brave and honest that in her sorrow she could be so aware of that. Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #230 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?